In DF there are absolutely zero choices & consequences. Your character doesn't progress. You just stare at your monitor while slaughtering goblin no. 9347292 and mining the 929228 mine and when you finish your daily grind you ask your character "what are you?" Nothing. Nothing ever changes. You just get meaningless skill- and statpoints.
Will reply to these nonsense. If you using fire magic spells you raise the spells and also the school fire magic, making you more efficient in using those spells and spells from that school.
Do you want a grown up or a artificial gememechanic to tell you "now my son you are efficient in usintg firemagic school and spells".
If you want more RP you can report you progress here and i will pet your had on any progress if you wish so lol
If you never felt a difference in killing goblin number 1 and goblin nr 929228 then you doing something wrong.
congratulations for so entirely missing the point and failing to understand what other people write.
Oh i got your nonsense right.
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i'm not interested in talking to you. you're a nuisance on forumfall and you're a nuisance here. i'll see what i can do to make your posts dissapear.
Do something about your inability to grasp DArkfall too, at least if you have bno chance to grasp it DONT TALK BIG ABOUT like you would KNOW whats going on.
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Ive been playing Darkfall for 16 day's short of 3 month's and sadly I think that is where it is going to end. I spent so many hours grinding and there is no end in sight . When I read it had no levels I thought ''HELL YEAH'', and then found out it has a bigger grind than any game I have ever played. It is filled with people who call themselves veterans or core player's who constantly tell people to go back to wow or go play counter strike. There are helpful players in Darkfall but they are a minority. For every 10 new players wanting them to bring some kind of balance to the game there are 3 ''veterans'' crying out in terror that they might have to get player skill and stop relying on their extremely overpowered character's.
If you don't want to swim afk every single night and use third party programs to bot for you then gtfo and go back to wow or go play counterstrike because you are not hardcore. Also have to use third party programs to setup macro's because there isn't any form of in game macro system.
Not entirely off-topic, but another one bites the dust. As with holdenhamlet, yet another grind defender falls.
I just wonder who the folks who truly do stick through the game's grind think they'll be playing with after all their hard work...
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
Ive been playing Darkfall for 16 day's short of 3 month's and sadly I think that is where it is going to end. I spent so many hours grinding and there is no end in sight . When I read it had no levels I thought ''HELL YEAH'', and then found out it has a bigger grind than any game I have ever played. It is filled with people who call themselves veterans or core player's who constantly tell people to go back to wow or go play counter strike. There are helpful players in Darkfall but they are a minority. For every 10 new players wanting them to bring some kind of balance to the game there are 3 ''veterans'' crying out in terror that they might have to get player skill and stop relying on their extremely overpowered character's.
If you don't want to swim afk every single night and use third party programs to bot for you then gtfo and go back to wow or go play counterstrike because you are not hardcore. Also have to use third party programs to setup macro's because there isn't any form of in game macro system.
Not entirely off-topic, but another one bites the dust. As with holdenhamlet, yet another grind defender falls.
I just wonder who the folks who truly do stick through the game's grind think they'll be playing with after all their hard work...
I think at the end, there will be: DarthRaiden Xpipher, Shawn, Evasia and maybe 1 or 2 others im forgetting. This way they can hold vast territories on their own and feel pride that they accomplished the impossible: they have driven off everybody else from DF. At that point they would win DF, there will be a game over message with credits rolling and maybe a party with devs and hookers.
I personally don't think this games grind is any worse the any other MMO I have played. Yes, there are difference though.
There aren't moments were you feel that the grind makes a difference. There are few skills outside of magic that make an instant difference in damage output. So, no matter how much you grind you tend not to notice sudden differences. This I feel makes people think there is more of a grind.
In a lot of other games with pvp there are tiered BGs which try and segregate vets from newer player. I personally don't think that application works any better then DF because in my experience you still have the vets tween alts that will kick your ass. But I do feel that to most people this gives a avenue that makes them feel like they are more competitive earlier on.
In other games there is more of a mob and quest variety to grind. There is a very limited amount of ways to grind in this game and quests do not give any experience. I feel this makes the game feel like more of a grind.
The grind in this game is two part. One for your skill/stats and the other for your gear/cash-flow. These two really go hand in hand to be competitive in pvp in this game (as in most games GEAR matters).
Lastly, the capability of the vets to kill you and loot your shit. This I believe really bothers the newer players, although in my experience it doesn't happen that often. But I feel that someone either has bad luck or makes a few bad experiences sound like it is the norm.
Imo, if you have a few friends after 2-3 month of playing and works as a group you can compete with a good percentage of the player base. Yes, sure there will be a percentage you won't be able to but if not being able to compete with the "BEST" players in the game deters you from playing then you better find a new hobby OR make playing MMO's your 24/7 desire.
The only compromise i see working here would be create more and more powerfull temporaly stat buffs. Example +30 Vit for 4 hours with requirement vit < 40 , so new players can participate in some clan or clan alliance events without the feeling of being "leftout" or "cannonfodder".
The reward for those having actually worked their stats up would be they having them permanent because others would be just temporaly.
Thats actualy a great idea. Even though it solves only part of teh DF-problem, but at least thats a start. Now if only AV listened to some of the bright ideas on these forums... *holds breath*
in a game with long term progression, where character development matters but matter less than any other game, you want to give newbies the same stats as someone who has put 1.5 years into developing their chars?
what the simpletons don't understand is you don't need max HP to pvp. You don't need to be able to have the same hp as that guy that has been playing for 1.5 years to enjoy DF. You may blame someones advanced character for your loss and it is so much easier to do that than blame yourself.
again starting chars have 200 hp, max hp chars have about 435 base hp, and maybe like two exist. lvl 50 nuke which can be obtainable within a few days of play does 40-45 damage. With two nearly new characters you already have more combined HP and DPS than someone who has been playing for 9 months if you have the competence to shoot the guy in the back while your buddy is blocking or dodging his shots. Buff other spells are the strongest buffs in the game and can compensate for an undeveloped character up to the cap and melee and ranged haste is rediculously powerfull. Yet still the whiners persist in their crusade to destroy DF b/c they don't want to put forth the effort to develop their characters like everyone else, even after multiple patches which made character progression far easier.
This just goes to show that whiners will whine about any slight disadvantage even if it means ruining the game for those who enjoy it how it is.
Don't you people understand DF is not for you if you don't like long term progression? Find another easier game without long term progression and quit trying to destroy the only game we, the hardcore pvp community, have left.
Sorry, but I don't want to be on equal footing with every retard who picks up a controller. In Darkfall numbers already have the advantage and when everry naked has 400 HP it will be so lame and I know I will start looking for another game and im certain many others will as well.
The reason I play DF is because the retards don't stand a chance, although numberes already have a huge advantage in DF against a single opponent. If you want to play a game where you can max level and pvp go play WoW, serously. In that game you can be retarded and if you are max level you can still kill people
buff other spells give so much more than is possible from grinding any amount of time, it would be nice if the whiners would learn to pvp instead of blaming the game for why they can't go toe to toe with someone who has put 50x more effort into developing their character and pvp skills.
I read the OP and I must say I am on his boat, I have been playing for about 4 months and my character can kick the ass of some but my ass is also kickable for some others and that is what makes the game interesting.
I know I have months and months of game ahead to be competitive, but I don't care, this is like the real life, you don't become a 3rd dan master of martial arts in 3 months. You must devote your life to achieve that and Darkfall is that kind of game that makes you appreciate when you achieve something since you have worked really hard and long time for it.
Believe me, the surging would not be the same if you could get it in three hours of grinding, it is the effort and the time waiting for getting something what makes that thing special and appreciated.
Aventurine, don't ruin Darkfall, you still will have a loyal base of players, those who think there is not such thing as instant gratification.
Aventurine, don't ruin Darkfall, you still will have a loyal base of players, those who think there is not such thing as instant gratification.
WTF, grinders and pve players Darkfalls loyal base of players?
Numbers my friend, numbers. We have lost 700 active clan players on the EU1 server the last two months, and it`s declining every day. The numbers have dropped from a small number of 2700 to a tiny number of 2000. And you guys still think killing tens of thousand stupid NPC for half a year is the way to go.
You can cry all you want, but the numbers don`t lie. You grinders, levelers, themepark players, noob killers and pve players have had your try. We know a huge grind doesn`t work in a full-loot mmo so we need to try something else. Reduce the grind so we can try to get more pvpers in the game.
For me the problem with starting DF late was the grind it self it was the noob griefers. I couldn't go more than 3 hours without running from a ganker. I also love when they come in packs of 3 or 4 to kill a noob.
I'm all for pvp but I don't like killed 100 times in the first week when I'm just trying to get through the initial grind.
For me the problem with starting DF late was the grind it self it was the noob griefers. I couldn't go more than 3 hours without running from a ganker. I also love when they come in packs of 3 or 4 to kill a noob.
I'm all for pvp but I don't like killed 100 times in the first week when I'm just trying to get through the initial grind.
I was in wolflands and it seemed like every 45 minutes they would come through and clean out the newbs and take all their reagents and shit. This lasts for months and months and even then you really don't have even footing with the so called vet's. This game is fun if you start off tickled by the really cool world they have created but when you grind for a few months and are still there is no end in sight you might have a change of heart.
I personally don't think this games grind is any worse the any other MMO I have played. Yes, there are difference though.
Is DF suppose to be like WOW, EQ, or one of the other many PvE games? I was under the impression PvP was suppose to be the focal point.
Have you ever played EVE? Does one have to PvE for months to be able to compete? It makes zero sense for a FFA PvP game to have a PvE grind comparable to WoW, EQ, or one of the other PvE games.
You have to PvE to PvP. Might as well go play WoW. At least, it has a huge population. Of course, there you'll probably have to fight people who are looking to PvP. They do have PvP servers if ganking PvE'rs is your thing. I assume it is, since you play DF.
New players have no reason to stick around unless they enjoy being farmed for months, so DF is basically dead.
The population is dismal, and like half of those who are logged in are afk swimming for some unknown reason since there is hardly anyone worth fighting.
The vets will defend the status quo until there are 10 people left playing, while everyone else who wants to play a competitive and therefore fun open, full loot pvp game can keep on waiting or play EvE.
I think at the end, there will be: DarthRaiden Xpipher, Shawn, Evasia and maybe 1 or 2 others im forgetting. This way they can hold vast territories on their own and feel pride that they accomplished the impossible: they have driven off everybody else from DF. At that point they would win DF, there will be a game over message with credits rolling and maybe a party with devs and hookers.
DF was never for you, yet you continue to cry and whineabout a game you don't even play and to try to get it dumbed down to something you can enjoy. The forums are filled with types like you. Get a life. DF is not for everyone, wake up and find another game. DF is obviously not for you.
the mods on this forum certainly are worthless, deleting my previous posts. They were pretty tame but all the trolls spam the report button when someone calls them a whiner and the mods don't care to realize it is the trolls abusing the report function and the anal deleting of posts with any hint of negative remarks, thats why this site is such shit.
DF isn't supposed to be a game where you finish your char in 6 months or even 9 months. Find another game if you don't like it and quit trying to ruin mine. DF isn't for everyone so just find an easier game, one where you can't blame the game. Lots of DF players love it the way it is, we are playing the game, not crying on the forums. You are the minority of vocal whiners and you have lots of time on your hands to make these posts because you aren't even playing DF.
suck it up or find an easier game, DF just isn't for you if you can't handle the long term character development.
The devs made the game the way it is for a reason. Time to try those eyes and suck it up like the rest of us or move on, don't you think?
lots of people like the game the way it is and we are tired of the constant
New players have no reason to stick around unless they enjoy being farmed for months, so DF is basically dead.
The population is dismal, and like half of those who are logged in are afk swimming for some unknown reason since there is hardly anyone worth fighting.
The vets will defend the status quo until there are 10 people left playing, while everyone else who wants to play a competitive and therefore fun open, full loot pvp game can keep on waiting or play EvE.
population is fine. DF is a large world and you just need to figure out where to look.
Remember SWG? a game that got destroyed because the devs listened to these same exact whiners.
DF isn't even on the shelves yet and these children who think they know something are proclaiming DF is dying, dead? lol. Heard that one 1 year ago buddy sorry.
If they want to increase population they should just continue developing the game and add some alternative content besides pvp and the few bland quests they have, get some lore and an environment not just a huge open pvp wilderness.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
This seems pretty accurate. I say this because one of my clan mates has 100 in ever skill cause he has been playing since beta and he is possibly going to sell his account because he has nothing to do.
First i dont believe word your saying here.
Secondy if this is realy true and he have max all his stats at 100 and now he wants to sell his account becouse he is bored, well he eather macro/exploit prolly his character and when he reach his end game(mentality comming from themeparks) he sell and quit lol.
What a joke your friend is he would then never be a good player for DF anyway good riddance.
I play sinds almost launch also played beta and im still enjoyning the game, i NEVER SAW THIS GAME AS GRIND and have never macro/exploit or cheat at all and im even soloplayer.
If they increase stats gain even more its gameover for many real core fans including me, i think game already far to easy and to fast skill progression.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
The population is fine? Seriously? There isn't an unreal grind or gap between new and ''veteran'' / ''core'' players that lasts for many months of hardcore grinding and afk swimming or macroing while you are a sleep or at work /school?
I loved the part about ''the box isnt even out yet'' , I wouldn't brag about that considering the game has been out over a year.
My nephew just bought an account and have been playing with me about two weeks now, one week without the newbie protection, he goes with me everywhere and in one week we have had only 3 pvp encounters one was a tie, another we were killed and the other one we won but that guy called the cavalry and that guy took us downguard and we died otherwise it has been just fun and in npc areas, so unless it is not darkfall what we have been playing I think no one will be farmed for months as someone stated, It is absurd to think that.
Agon is so big that the probabilities to find a red are low. It happens but most of the times no. In some occassions you can farm hours and no one will disrupt you as in some occassions you can find reds a lot of times a day. It is like real life, just probabilities.
If you are thinking to give a try to Darkfall do it, it is a lie what these guys say that you will be cannon fodder for months. Yes you will probably will find a guy more powerful than you but the real life is like that and that is why I love this game.
My nephew just bought an account and have been playing with me about two weeks now, one week without the newbie protection, he goes with me everywhere and in one week we have had only 3 pvp encounters one was a tie, another we were killed and the other one we won but that guy called the cavalry and that guy took us downguard and we died otherwise it has been just fun and in npc areas, so unless it is not darkfall what we have been playing I think no one will be farmed for months as someone stated, It is absurd to think that.
Agon is so big that the probabilities to find a red are low. It happens but most of the times no. In some occassions you can farm hours and no one will disrupt you as in some occassions you can find reds a lot of times a day. It is like real life, just probabilities.
If you are thinking to give a try to Darkfall do it, it is a lie what these guys say that you will be cannon fodder for months. Yes you will probably will find a guy more powerful than you but the real life is like that and that is why I love this game.
Translation: travel around with a more experienced player constantly and newbie gankers won't bother you much.
I've seen a few mistakes in this forum so figure I'll correct them.
First, most vets did not work their way up, they macro'ed their way up. AFK Swimming/Running/Sprinting/Riding/Diving/Harvesting. Blood Walls, exploiting mobs, etc. AFK Casting your buffs too!
Aventurine did NOT take any actions until few months ago (by kicking AFKers and banning exploiters) but we all see the same AFK guys swimming or running at the same spot in a Capital City everyday.
Also, "Grinding" is not the only way to make character progression. There are more ways in MMOs to "create" and "evolve" your character. DarkFall only has grinding, and a very long one at that. Oh and I feel for you if you plan to become a Craftor, unless you can find a Clan that will provide you with the rare ressources, you're in for some massive grind (far greater than the grind we're talking about).
DarkFall has offline progression (almost)! Log on, set your macro and leave your computer!
Oh and before I hear any stupid remark along the lines of "You haven't played DarkFall", well I have. Played back in May 2009, didn't like it. Then I started again in November, played for 5 months and quit. I have a decent amount of Free Time every day but I'd rather use it for something else than just grinding on the same mob for gold to buy/craft items. Heck, there's no economy, everyone is a Craftor in DFO.....So awesome from a Dedicated Craftor Point-Of-View. How the heck am I suppose to sell my items if everyone can craft them?
Oh and I feel for you if you plan to become a Craftor, unless you can find a Clan that will provide you with the rare ressources, you're in for some massive grind (far greater than the grind we're talking about). So awesome from a Dedicated Craftor Point-Of-View. How the heck am I suppose to sell my items if everyone can craft them?
In DF crafting everything for yourself is like building your car yourself IRL. You can do it - but doesn't mean that it'll be cheaper or faster than buying one.
Let's just say that you need 5 bloodcrafted full plate helmets of Q4 feather with highest possible durability. If you'll see them at player vendor - you can be sure that player who sells them:
- spent 20k iron ingots leveling up armorsmithing
- spent another 5k iron ingots + hundreds of Q1, Q2, Q2 hearts leveling bloodcraft
- spent 500k gold buying player vendor + 100k buying a house
- crafted for ages to get 120 wisdom, high trueforge armor and high dwarven steelmaster skills
- bought or mined iron ore
- bought, ninja-mined or killed rare golem to get selentine ore
- acquired catalyst and 5 of each Q4 enchanting materials
- spent 1 mln gold leveling up enchanting
You can either pay 5k gold for such helmet, or spend 5 mln gold and 5 months leveling up appropriate skills yourself.
The same goes for:
- battlehorns
- wyrd amulets of Q4 vitality
- arcane rings
- R60 justicebringers with Q4 keen
- keened tyransmiths of keeness
- schooners
The main problem with crafting is that it requires investments, and it's hard to trade without player vendor, which is very expensive. We'll see if clan vendors, and vendors in NPC cities will solve the problem in DF 2010.
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Oh i got your nonsense right.
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i'm not interested in talking to you. you're a nuisance on forumfall and you're a nuisance here. i'll see what i can do to make your posts dissapear.
Do something about your inability to grasp DArkfall too, at least if you have bno chance to grasp it DONT TALK BIG ABOUT like you would KNOW whats going on.
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Not entirely off-topic, but another one bites the dust. As with holdenhamlet, yet another grind defender falls.
I just wonder who the folks who truly do stick through the game's grind think they'll be playing with after all their hard work...
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
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I think at the end, there will be: DarthRaiden Xpipher, Shawn, Evasia and maybe 1 or 2 others im forgetting. This way they can hold vast territories on their own and feel pride that they accomplished the impossible: they have driven off everybody else from DF. At that point they would win DF, there will be a game over message with credits rolling and maybe a party with devs and hookers.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I personally don't think this games grind is any worse the any other MMO I have played. Yes, there are difference though.
There aren't moments were you feel that the grind makes a difference. There are few skills outside of magic that make an instant difference in damage output. So, no matter how much you grind you tend not to notice sudden differences. This I feel makes people think there is more of a grind.
In a lot of other games with pvp there are tiered BGs which try and segregate vets from newer player. I personally don't think that application works any better then DF because in my experience you still have the vets tween alts that will kick your ass. But I do feel that to most people this gives a avenue that makes them feel like they are more competitive earlier on.
In other games there is more of a mob and quest variety to grind. There is a very limited amount of ways to grind in this game and quests do not give any experience. I feel this makes the game feel like more of a grind.
The grind in this game is two part. One for your skill/stats and the other for your gear/cash-flow. These two really go hand in hand to be competitive in pvp in this game (as in most games GEAR matters).
Lastly, the capability of the vets to kill you and loot your shit. This I believe really bothers the newer players, although in my experience it doesn't happen that often. But I feel that someone either has bad luck or makes a few bad experiences sound like it is the norm.
Imo, if you have a few friends after 2-3 month of playing and works as a group you can compete with a good percentage of the player base. Yes, sure there will be a percentage you won't be able to but if not being able to compete with the "BEST" players in the game deters you from playing then you better find a new hobby OR make playing MMO's your 24/7 desire.
in a game with long term progression, where character development matters but matter less than any other game, you want to give newbies the same stats as someone who has put 1.5 years into developing their chars?
what the simpletons don't understand is you don't need max HP to pvp. You don't need to be able to have the same hp as that guy that has been playing for 1.5 years to enjoy DF. You may blame someones advanced character for your loss and it is so much easier to do that than blame yourself.
again starting chars have 200 hp, max hp chars have about 435 base hp, and maybe like two exist. lvl 50 nuke which can be obtainable within a few days of play does 40-45 damage. With two nearly new characters you already have more combined HP and DPS than someone who has been playing for 9 months if you have the competence to shoot the guy in the back while your buddy is blocking or dodging his shots. Buff other spells are the strongest buffs in the game and can compensate for an undeveloped character up to the cap and melee and ranged haste is rediculously powerfull. Yet still the whiners persist in their crusade to destroy DF b/c they don't want to put forth the effort to develop their characters like everyone else, even after multiple patches which made character progression far easier.
This just goes to show that whiners will whine about any slight disadvantage even if it means ruining the game for those who enjoy it how it is.
Don't you people understand DF is not for you if you don't like long term progression? Find another easier game without long term progression and quit trying to destroy the only game we, the hardcore pvp community, have left.
Sorry, but I don't want to be on equal footing with every retard who picks up a controller. In Darkfall numbers already have the advantage and when everry naked has 400 HP it will be so lame and I know I will start looking for another game and im certain many others will as well.
The reason I play DF is because the retards don't stand a chance, although numberes already have a huge advantage in DF against a single opponent. If you want to play a game where you can max level and pvp go play WoW, serously. In that game you can be retarded and if you are max level you can still kill people
buff other spells give so much more than is possible from grinding any amount of time, it would be nice if the whiners would learn to pvp instead of blaming the game for why they can't go toe to toe with someone who has put 50x more effort into developing their character and pvp skills.
I read the OP and I must say I am on his boat, I have been playing for about 4 months and my character can kick the ass of some but my ass is also kickable for some others and that is what makes the game interesting.
I know I have months and months of game ahead to be competitive, but I don't care, this is like the real life, you don't become a 3rd dan master of martial arts in 3 months. You must devote your life to achieve that and Darkfall is that kind of game that makes you appreciate when you achieve something since you have worked really hard and long time for it.
Believe me, the surging would not be the same if you could get it in three hours of grinding, it is the effort and the time waiting for getting something what makes that thing special and appreciated.
Aventurine, don't ruin Darkfall, you still will have a loyal base of players, those who think there is not such thing as instant gratification.
OP has been playing the same Darkfall as me, and knows what he's talking about.
/signed.
WTF, grinders and pve players Darkfalls loyal base of players?
Numbers my friend, numbers. We have lost 700 active clan players on the EU1 server the last two months, and it`s declining every day. The numbers have dropped from a small number of 2700 to a tiny number of 2000. And you guys still think killing tens of thousand stupid NPC for half a year is the way to go.
http://df.urme.com/index.php?page=guilds
You can cry all you want, but the numbers don`t lie. You grinders, levelers, themepark players, noob killers and pve players have had your try. We know a huge grind doesn`t work in a full-loot mmo so we need to try something else. Reduce the grind so we can try to get more pvpers in the game.
How can you kill something that is already dead?
For me the problem with starting DF late was the grind it self it was the noob griefers. I couldn't go more than 3 hours without running from a ganker. I also love when they come in packs of 3 or 4 to kill a noob.
I'm all for pvp but I don't like killed 100 times in the first week when I'm just trying to get through the initial grind.
I was in wolflands and it seemed like every 45 minutes they would come through and clean out the newbs and take all their reagents and shit. This lasts for months and months and even then you really don't have even footing with the so called vet's. This game is fun if you start off tickled by the really cool world they have created but when you grind for a few months and are still there is no end in sight you might have a change of heart.
Is DF suppose to be like WOW, EQ, or one of the other many PvE games? I was under the impression PvP was suppose to be the focal point.
Have you ever played EVE? Does one have to PvE for months to be able to compete? It makes zero sense for a FFA PvP game to have a PvE grind comparable to WoW, EQ, or one of the other PvE games.
You have to PvE to PvP. Might as well go play WoW. At least, it has a huge population. Of course, there you'll probably have to fight people who are looking to PvP. They do have PvP servers if ganking PvE'rs is your thing. I assume it is, since you play DF.
New players have no reason to stick around unless they enjoy being farmed for months, so DF is basically dead.
The population is dismal, and like half of those who are logged in are afk swimming for some unknown reason since there is hardly anyone worth fighting.
The vets will defend the status quo until there are 10 people left playing, while everyone else who wants to play a competitive and therefore fun open, full loot pvp game can keep on waiting or play EvE.
DF was never for you, yet you continue to cry and whineabout a game you don't even play and to try to get it dumbed down to something you can enjoy. The forums are filled with types like you. Get a life. DF is not for everyone, wake up and find another game. DF is obviously not for you.
the mods on this forum certainly are worthless, deleting my previous posts. They were pretty tame but all the trolls spam the report button when someone calls them a whiner and the mods don't care to realize it is the trolls abusing the report function and the anal deleting of posts with any hint of negative remarks, thats why this site is such shit.
DF isn't supposed to be a game where you finish your char in 6 months or even 9 months. Find another game if you don't like it and quit trying to ruin mine. DF isn't for everyone so just find an easier game, one where you can't blame the game. Lots of DF players love it the way it is, we are playing the game, not crying on the forums. You are the minority of vocal whiners and you have lots of time on your hands to make these posts because you aren't even playing DF.
suck it up or find an easier game, DF just isn't for you if you can't handle the long term character development.
The devs made the game the way it is for a reason. Time to try those eyes and suck it up like the rest of us or move on, don't you think?
lots of people like the game the way it is and we are tired of the constant
population is fine. DF is a large world and you just need to figure out where to look.
Remember SWG? a game that got destroyed because the devs listened to these same exact whiners.
DF isn't even on the shelves yet and these children who think they know something are proclaiming DF is dying, dead? lol. Heard that one 1 year ago buddy sorry.
If they want to increase population they should just continue developing the game and add some alternative content besides pvp and the few bland quests they have, get some lore and an environment not just a huge open pvp wilderness.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
First i dont believe word your saying here.
Secondy if this is realy true and he have max all his stats at 100 and now he wants to sell his account becouse he is bored, well he eather macro/exploit prolly his character and when he reach his end game(mentality comming from themeparks) he sell and quit lol.
What a joke your friend is he would then never be a good player for DF anyway good riddance.
I play sinds almost launch also played beta and im still enjoyning the game, i NEVER SAW THIS GAME AS GRIND and have never macro/exploit or cheat at all and im even soloplayer.
If they increase stats gain even more its gameover for many real core fans including me, i think game already far to easy and to fast skill progression.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
The population is fine? Seriously? There isn't an unreal grind or gap between new and ''veteran'' / ''core'' players that lasts for many months of hardcore grinding and afk swimming or macroing while you are a sleep or at work /school?
I loved the part about ''the box isnt even out yet'' , I wouldn't brag about that considering the game has been out over a year.
My nephew just bought an account and have been playing with me about two weeks now, one week without the newbie protection, he goes with me everywhere and in one week we have had only 3 pvp encounters one was a tie, another we were killed and the other one we won but that guy called the cavalry and that guy took us downguard and we died otherwise it has been just fun and in npc areas, so unless it is not darkfall what we have been playing I think no one will be farmed for months as someone stated, It is absurd to think that.
Agon is so big that the probabilities to find a red are low. It happens but most of the times no. In some occassions you can farm hours and no one will disrupt you as in some occassions you can find reds a lot of times a day. It is like real life, just probabilities.
If you are thinking to give a try to Darkfall do it, it is a lie what these guys say that you will be cannon fodder for months. Yes you will probably will find a guy more powerful than you but the real life is like that and that is why I love this game.
Translation: travel around with a more experienced player constantly and newbie gankers won't bother you much.
I've seen a few mistakes in this forum so figure I'll correct them.
First, most vets did not work their way up, they macro'ed their way up. AFK Swimming/Running/Sprinting/Riding/Diving/Harvesting. Blood Walls, exploiting mobs, etc. AFK Casting your buffs too!
Aventurine did NOT take any actions until few months ago (by kicking AFKers and banning exploiters) but we all see the same AFK guys swimming or running at the same spot in a Capital City everyday.
Also, "Grinding" is not the only way to make character progression. There are more ways in MMOs to "create" and "evolve" your character. DarkFall only has grinding, and a very long one at that. Oh and I feel for you if you plan to become a Craftor, unless you can find a Clan that will provide you with the rare ressources, you're in for some massive grind (far greater than the grind we're talking about).
DarkFall has offline progression (almost)! Log on, set your macro and leave your computer!
Oh and before I hear any stupid remark along the lines of "You haven't played DarkFall", well I have. Played back in May 2009, didn't like it. Then I started again in November, played for 5 months and quit. I have a decent amount of Free Time every day but I'd rather use it for something else than just grinding on the same mob for gold to buy/craft items. Heck, there's no economy, everyone is a Craftor in DFO.....So awesome from a Dedicated Craftor Point-Of-View. How the heck am I suppose to sell my items if everyone can craft them?
In DF crafting everything for yourself is like building your car yourself IRL. You can do it - but doesn't mean that it'll be cheaper or faster than buying one.
Let's just say that you need 5 bloodcrafted full plate helmets of Q4 feather with highest possible durability. If you'll see them at player vendor - you can be sure that player who sells them:
- spent 20k iron ingots leveling up armorsmithing
- spent another 5k iron ingots + hundreds of Q1, Q2, Q2 hearts leveling bloodcraft
- spent 500k gold buying player vendor + 100k buying a house
- crafted for ages to get 120 wisdom, high trueforge armor and high dwarven steelmaster skills
- bought or mined iron ore
- bought, ninja-mined or killed rare golem to get selentine ore
- acquired catalyst and 5 of each Q4 enchanting materials
- spent 1 mln gold leveling up enchanting
You can either pay 5k gold for such helmet, or spend 5 mln gold and 5 months leveling up appropriate skills yourself.
The same goes for:
- battlehorns
- wyrd amulets of Q4 vitality
- arcane rings
- R60 justicebringers with Q4 keen
- keened tyransmiths of keeness
- schooners
The main problem with crafting is that it requires investments, and it's hard to trade without player vendor, which is very expensive. We'll see if clan vendors, and vendors in NPC cities will solve the problem in DF 2010.