Nice responses here. Obviously by two major groups that, well one can say, fits the puzzle well; posters that are defending the notion that they do accept responsibility and take accountability for their actions. The ones that claim they do play WoW and try to be more helpful, more upstanding citizens to the overall community. The second group claiming a notion that you reep what you sow, in laymans terms that I take my WoW attitudes into the real world.
You must understand one thing here. I am only a gamer on WoW, whether or not my goals are selfish and self serving is not the fundamental issue here. Posters are portraying this clearly saying: "Good luck in the real world." My actions are a result of how the overall community has become. I am merely part of the shadow that follows the flock. In other words, how I see things currently in WoW is "The nail that sticks up gets hammered back down." Whether I am like this in the real world is not something I can judge but in my defence I will say that other Elitists claim to be nice people in real life.
Like I have posted before, WoW is infectious to the point where, now with LFD, there are no boundaries or consequences to social behaviour and alot of players are merely becoming Elitists as a safeguard to failed groups. Nobody wants to wipe, or fail, to be let down by a baddie. It breaks the harmony, a result of how the game mechanics have changed to more accessibility, more results driven, more depedence on higher Gearscore loot. The repercussions had to be a result.
If I set up a group and it wipes, I get the blame. No-one wants to take responsibility as the accountabilities are just too great. This is why Elitists set such high standards. This is me in a nutshell. Do not point the dirty finger at me. I am merely a bi product of how WoW has changed. Something had to give, the community perhaps.
Nice responses here. Obviously by two major groups that, well one can say, fits the puzzle well; posters that are defending the notion that they do accept responsibility and take accountability for their actions. The ones that claim they do play WoW and try to be more helpful, more upstanding citizens to the overall community. The second group claiming a notion that you reep what you sow, in laymans terms that I take my WoW attitudes into the real world.
You must understand one thing here. I am only a gamer on WoW, whether or not my goals are selfish and self serving is not the fundamental issue here. Posters are portraying this clearly saying: "Good luck in the real world." My actions are a result of how the overall community has become. I am merely part of the shadow that follows the flock. In other words, how I see things currently in WoW is "The nail that sticks up gets hammered back down." Whether I am like this in the real world is not something I can judge but in my defence I will say that other Elitists claim to be nice people in real life.
Like I have posted before, WoW is infectious to the point where, now with LFD, there are no boundaries or consequences to social behaviour and alot of players are merely becoming Elitists as a safeguard to failed groups. Nobody wants to wipe, or fail, to be let down by a baddie. It breaks the harmony, a result of how the game mechanics have changed to more accessibility, more results driven, more depedence on higher Gearscore loot. The repercussions had to be a result.
If I set up a group and it wipes, I get the blame. No-one wants to take responsibility as the accountabilities are just too great. This is why Elitists set such high standards. This is me in a nutshell. Do not point the dirty finger at me. I am merely a bi product of how WoW has changed. Something had to give, the community perhaps.
I am 15 years old. Don't shoot the messenger.
Don't shoot the messanger? Funny, I am sure we would like to know who sent you then.
The point is if you ready between the lines is that alot of people aren't there to listen to other people rant/rave and act like 5 year olds. He goes there to play the game with his friends and be good at it. I see nothing wrong with it at all.
I'm an Elitist. I know it and I enjoy being one. I'm not here to flame but for others to see my and other Elitist's point of view.
I've just turned 15 and currently studying and play WoW when I'm not at School. I usually only play after School and on the weekends. All my friends play WoW so it's a good social activity as well, as we like to laugh at all the bads. I can't understand why people expect us to be leniant on them when they don't take 10 mins out to learn their class.
I set up PUGs or I do Heroics with usually two friends. To be honest I don't care about your background or your WoW experience. I use GearScore proudly and it does wonders. I will set a GS so I know we can clear and not wipe, which is why I will only accept you if you meet my GS. I will also kick you once you have been invited once I find a higher GS player until the raid group is full. I don't care as It's all about maximising the raid group, I don't want bads lagging behind as I want to clear as quickly as I can.
In Heroics, it is the same. I as the leader, will kick you even if you think you should stay as you have just dinged 80 as I set a time limit on instances. I don't care because as a DPS you will be replaced in 10 secs so I can achieve my goal of clearing the instance quickly, rinse and repeat. Why take a sub par blue wearing baddie when I can get an ICC geared person?
I'm not here to be your friend, you want to chat, stay in Barrens or Dalaran, I'm here to get my badges and to raid. Period.
Here's another 15 year old claiming to be an elitist:
Many people in WoW don't want to listen immaturity in the game, true. But the point is that everyone who has responded to the OP has, IMO, basically said that if anyone who is brought into a group can't live up to his expectations, they deserve to be kicked. Look at the situation from the eyes of someone new to the game. They get into a pug, and are kicked because they didn't know how to use certain abilities that pertained to their class? Thats BS. If you have such high expectations of those in your group, DON'T GET INTO PUGS. its that simple. Everyone is different, and if you are not going to have the slighest bit of understanding to the others in the group, then you are the odd one out. Want perfection? Stick with guild runs. That way everyone knows what is expected of them.
I'm an Elitist. I know it and I enjoy being one. I'm not here to flame but for others to see my and other Elitist's point of view.
I've just turned 15 and currently studying and play WoW when I'm not at School. I usually only play after School and on the weekends. All my friends play WoW so it's a good social activity as well, as we like to laugh at all the bads. I can't understand why people expect us to be leniant on them when they don't take 10 mins out to learn their class.
I set up PUGs or I do Heroics with usually two friends. To be honest I don't care about your background or your WoW experience. I use GearScore proudly and it does wonders. I will set a GS so I know we can clear and not wipe, which is why I will only accept you if you meet my GS. I will also kick you once you have been invited once I find a higher GS player until the raid group is full. I don't care as It's all about maximising the raid group, I don't want bads lagging behind as I want to clear as quickly as I can.
In Heroics, it is the same. I as the leader, will kick you even if you think you should stay as you have just dinged 80 as I set a time limit on instances. I don't care because as a DPS you will be replaced in 10 secs so I can achieve my goal of clearing the instance quickly, rinse and repeat. Why take a sub par blue wearing baddie when I can get an ICC geared person?
I'm not here to be your friend, you want to chat, stay in Barrens or Dalaran, I'm here to get my badges and to raid. Period.
I've run across people with this perspective before. Its nothing new under the sun. If all that matters to you is your self imposed objective, then by all means continue as you do. But for every action/inaction there is a consequence. One of the consequences of this perspective, is that many who hold it have no real friends, just useful tools to achieve the moments objective. There is a class of people who take that perspective in real life. They are known as politicians. I hope for your sake that as you grow older that you gain more experience and insight. People are much more than means to an end.
I'm an Elitist. I know it and I enjoy being one. I'm not here to flame but for others to see my and other Elitist's point of view.
I've just turned 15 and currently studying and play WoW when I'm not at School. I usually only play after School and on the weekends. All my friends play WoW so it's a good social activity as well, as we like to laugh at all the bads. I can't understand why people expect us to be leniant on them when they don't take 10 mins out to learn their class.
I set up PUGs or I do Heroics with usually two friends. To be honest I don't care about your background or your WoW experience. I use GearScore proudly and it does wonders. I will set a GS so I know we can clear and not wipe, which is why I will only accept you if you meet my GS. I will also kick you once you have been invited once I find a higher GS player until the raid group is full. I don't care as It's all about maximising the raid group, I don't want bads lagging behind as I want to clear as quickly as I can.
In Heroics, it is the same. I as the leader, will kick you even if you think you should stay as you have just dinged 80 as I set a time limit on instances. I don't care because as a DPS you will be replaced in 10 secs so I can achieve my goal of clearing the instance quickly, rinse and repeat. Why take a sub par blue wearing baddie when I can get an ICC geared person?
I'm not here to be your friend, you want to chat, stay in Barrens or Dalaran, I'm here to get my badges and to raid. Period.
lol you were 10 when the game came out.
You, my friend, epitomize the reason that I cannot stand this game anymore.
A multiplayer game is all about community, and you with your egotistical, pubescent mindset just make me sick.
I see with what you're saying, I haven't really played any since WotLK came out and I get kind of annoyed that I often top 5 man and 10 man DPS charts when I only play once a month.
But you've got to understand that these charts and graphs and everything are fucking ridiculous. None of that shit matters.
The whole point of the damn game is to accomplish something as a group who worked hard at it, not be a douchebag because "that guy only pulls 5k dps". The point is to clear the instance. If you do/can the only reason for mentioning ANYTHING like that is to stroke your own low self-esteem with pointless sadistic attitudes. "LOL I IS SUPERIOR TO U AND IM GONNA LET EVERYONE NO EEEET BUWAHAHAHA".
Sorry, this game is not complicated enough to warrant such asinine behavior. That said, it is just a game and the toons you're playing with are indeed real people. While I've never been one for "feelings", there is no point in behaving like that. It serves no purpose, it doesn't make YOU better and it doesn't make the OTHER player better and most of all, it doesn't make your TEAM better. This means you've already failed as a leader.
Go back to school and come back after you've grown up a bit, k?
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1) "I've just turned 15" - You're too young to be an elite anything. If you were some child prodigy, you wouldn't be spending your time being "elitist" in WoW.
2) I'm sure the people you kick from your groups are probably fortunate in the end. Trust me, until you grow up a bit, you're doing them a favor. Please, please continue to group only with other teenage "elitists" (that absolutely cracks me up... like at 15 you have enough life achievement to consider yourself elite in any way, shape, or form...) - so that properly socialized adults can avoid you.
Seriously what possesses people to post things like this? This entire post could be summed up with:
"Hi, I'm a teenage jerk and I only play with people who meet my exacting standards. I don't care about friends or social interaction, but somehow I consider myself "elite" because my life revolves around "achievement" in an imaginary, virtual world. I don't want to play with you unless your gear is as 'leet as mine."
See how many keystrokes I just saved you there? And I said the same thing!
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Why do so many people have something to say about this post....wouldnt it be wiser to NOT say anything? Nothing anyone could say on here would make the OP feel any different. Let them find out in the real world....that will prove more than anything here could.
To me "0" replies to a post like this would have a bigger impact on their feelings. Do you "really" care about the way this person is? Will it change anything?...why feed it? Mature adults know how someone like this will turn out...
I'm a spoiled brat. I know it and I enjoy being one. I'm not here to behave like a mature, mannered, well-raised young man or woman, but for others to see my and other spoiled brats' points of view.
I've just turned 15, which is painfully obvious by the tone of this post, and play WoW when I'm not at school. I usually only play after school and on the weekends. All my friends play WoW so it's a good social activity as well because socializing over the internet with my friends is so much better than seeing them face to face, going out somewhere with them, playing a sport with them, or maybe even doing things other 15 year olds do like dating, learning to drive a car, or maybe even reading a book, as we like to laugh at all the bad players because it makes us feel better about ourselves. I can't understand why people expect us to be lenient towards them when they don't take 10 mins out to learn their class. Everyone knows that you can level from 1-80 in ten minutes and learn everything there is to know about how to skillfully play your class in ten minutes or less! Really, do people really expect those of us who are skilled and who have been playing this game for a while to take time out of our busy lives to teach them something useful that might make them a more skilled player? What kind of selfish, lazy idiots play this game, anyway - people like me?
I set up PUGs or I do Heroics with usually two friends who are also spoiled brats. To be honest I don't care about your background or your WoW experience so long as I get what I want from you. I use GearScore proudly and it does wonders and if you don't know your GearScore, or worse, don't know what GearScore is, you are not worth my time. I will set a GS so I know we can clear and not wipe, which is why I will only accept you if you meet my GS because, once again, you do not matter to me and whether or not you actually learn anything about the raid, dungeon, how to improve your skill, your character, or your gearscore doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to me because I am not interested in your going on this raid if that is why you want to go. I will also kick you once you have been invited once I find a higher GS player because I have absolutely no integrity and no idea of the concept of keeping my word. I don't care as It's all about maximising the raid group, I don't want people who I think are bad players - regardless of whether they actually are bad players or not - lagging behind as I want to clear as quickly as I can because it's all about me, me, me.
In Heroics, it is the same. I as the leader, will kick you even if you think you should stay as you have just dinged 80 as I set a time limit on instances because I, again, am one of the reasons the community in this game is so often cited as being the worst community in any MMO in gaming history. I don't care because as a DPS you will be replaced in 10 secs so I can achieve my goal of clearing the instance quickly, rinse and repeat. Why take a sub par blue wearing baddie when I can get an ICC geared person?
I'm not here to be your friend (and by now I am sure it is apparent that I don't have many friends), you want to chat, stay in Barrens or Dalaran, I'm here to get my badges and to raid. Period.
I made some alterations. Many are a bit tongue-in-cheek. Some a little less so.
Still, the little comment about staying in the Barrens to chat does make me think that the OP might have not have been entirely serious with the post. No one sane stays in Barrens chat for longer than 30 seconds.
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Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr
Why do so many people have something to say about this post....wouldnt it be wiser to NOT say anything? Nothing anyone could say on here would make the OP feel any different. Let them find out in the real world....that will prove more than anything here could.
To me "0" replies to a post like this would have a bigger impact on their feelings. Do you "really" care about the way this person is? Will it change anything?...why feed it? Mature adults know how someone like this will turn out...
Ideally you are quite correct. In practice though, thats not going to happen for many reasons. But a real elitist wouldn't bother posting that here. They wouldn't deign to deal with the riff raft we have around here. ^^ I'd say this was more like a troll, looking for some entertainment than anything else.
I find it funny this kid will kick players for having lower epics while Gevlon is doing full raids in all rare gear. That goblin is freaking nuts. Just the other end of this spectrum I guess.
I find it funny this kid will kick players for having lower epics while Gevlon is doing full raids in all rare gear. That goblin is freaking nuts. Just the other end of this spectrum I guess.
Interesting, how's that working out for him?
As for the OP, obvious troll post. Not sure how good a parody it is as I never come across many GS newbies while playing; I guess they might be like that. Elitist is obviously a misnomer for anyone doing pugs to begind with, but I guess the one thing it has shown is that the casuals are even worse than the hardcore raiders at elitism. Or better at pissing eachother off over it at least.
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So to summarize your post....
'I am a sheep'.
Don't shoot the messanger? Funny, I am sure we would like to know who sent you then.
The point is if you ready between the lines is that alot of people aren't there to listen to other people rant/rave and act like 5 year olds. He goes there to play the game with his friends and be good at it. I see nothing wrong with it at all.
Here's another 15 year old claiming to be an elitist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DKLqnyBAQ
BTW, this post is brilliant ).
You lot make me laugh, i love it! Lol.
Many people in WoW don't want to listen immaturity in the game, true. But the point is that everyone who has responded to the OP has, IMO, basically said that if anyone who is brought into a group can't live up to his expectations, they deserve to be kicked. Look at the situation from the eyes of someone new to the game. They get into a pug, and are kicked because they didn't know how to use certain abilities that pertained to their class? Thats BS. If you have such high expectations of those in your group, DON'T GET INTO PUGS. its that simple. Everyone is different, and if you are not going to have the slighest bit of understanding to the others in the group, then you are the odd one out. Want perfection? Stick with guild runs. That way everyone knows what is expected of them.
I've run across people with this perspective before. Its nothing new under the sun. If all that matters to you is your self imposed objective, then by all means continue as you do. But for every action/inaction there is a consequence. One of the consequences of this perspective, is that many who hold it have no real friends, just useful tools to achieve the moments objective. There is a class of people who take that perspective in real life. They are known as politicians. I hope for your sake that as you grow older that you gain more experience and insight. People are much more than means to an end.
lol you were 10 when the game came out.
You, my friend, epitomize the reason that I cannot stand this game anymore.
A multiplayer game is all about community, and you with your egotistical, pubescent mindset just make me sick.
I see with what you're saying, I haven't really played any since WotLK came out and I get kind of annoyed that I often top 5 man and 10 man DPS charts when I only play once a month.
But you've got to understand that these charts and graphs and everything are fucking ridiculous. None of that shit matters.
The whole point of the damn game is to accomplish something as a group who worked hard at it, not be a douchebag because "that guy only pulls 5k dps". The point is to clear the instance. If you do/can the only reason for mentioning ANYTHING like that is to stroke your own low self-esteem with pointless sadistic attitudes. "LOL I IS SUPERIOR TO U AND IM GONNA LET EVERYONE NO EEEET BUWAHAHAHA".
Sorry, this game is not complicated enough to warrant such asinine behavior. That said, it is just a game and the toons you're playing with are indeed real people. While I've never been one for "feelings", there is no point in behaving like that. It serves no purpose, it doesn't make YOU better and it doesn't make the OTHER player better and most of all, it doesn't make your TEAM better. This means you've already failed as a leader.
Go back to school and come back after you've grown up a bit, k?
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1) "I've just turned 15" - You're too young to be an elite anything. If you were some child prodigy, you wouldn't be spending your time being "elitist" in WoW.
2) I'm sure the people you kick from your groups are probably fortunate in the end. Trust me, until you grow up a bit, you're doing them a favor. Please, please continue to group only with other teenage "elitists" (that absolutely cracks me up... like at 15 you have enough life achievement to consider yourself elite in any way, shape, or form...) - so that properly socialized adults can avoid you.
Seriously what possesses people to post things like this? This entire post could be summed up with:
"Hi, I'm a teenage jerk and I only play with people who meet my exacting standards. I don't care about friends or social interaction, but somehow I consider myself "elite" because my life revolves around "achievement" in an imaginary, virtual world. I don't want to play with you unless your gear is as 'leet as mine."
See how many keystrokes I just saved you there? And I said the same thing!
Ah yes. The game known as WoW. Where men are men, women are men, and 15 yr olds are really
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Why do so many people have something to say about this post....wouldnt it be wiser to NOT say anything? Nothing anyone could say on here would make the OP feel any different. Let them find out in the real world....that will prove more than anything here could.
To me "0" replies to a post like this would have a bigger impact on their feelings. Do you "really" care about the way this person is? Will it change anything?...why feed it? Mature adults know how someone like this will turn out...
I made some alterations. Many are a bit tongue-in-cheek. Some a little less so.
Still, the little comment about staying in the Barrens to chat does make me think that the OP might have not have been entirely serious with the post. No one sane stays in Barrens chat for longer than 30 seconds.
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"You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman
Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr
Ideally you are quite correct. In practice though, thats not going to happen for many reasons. But a real elitist wouldn't bother posting that here. They wouldn't deign to deal with the riff raft we have around here. ^^ I'd say this was more like a troll, looking for some entertainment than anything else.
I find it funny this kid will kick players for having lower epics while Gevlon is doing full raids in all rare gear. That goblin is freaking nuts. Just the other end of this spectrum I guess.
Has somebody already commented that this is a parody? Question is: is it a good parody?
Interesting, how's that working out for him?
As for the OP, obvious troll post. Not sure how good a parody it is as I never come across many GS newbies while playing; I guess they might be like that. Elitist is obviously a misnomer for anyone doing pugs to begind with, but I guess the one thing it has shown is that the casuals are even worse than the hardcore raiders at elitism. Or better at pissing eachother off over it at least.