Seriously I think this plight to get these two race/sex options needs to stop, its getting old. Why can't you all just accept this as how Square-Enix wrote the lore and thats how its going to be, end of story. And as I've read on many other forums with a similar outcry, not every race in an MMO has to have a male and female version and just cause you don't want to play the one provided, doesn't mean the other should be added.
Originally posted by Khrymson Seriously I think this plight to get these two race/sex options needs to stop, its getting old. Why can't you all just accept this as how Square-Enix wrote the lore and thats how its going to be, end of story. And as I've read on many other forums with a similar outcry, not every race in an MMO has to have a male and female version and just cause you don't want to play the one provided, doesn't mean the other should be added. Anyway...
It pains me to say this but Khrymson is right and I completely agree with him. If SE wanted to have them in the game they would have. I would like to have some info about the opposite sex, for ex. The Male Miqo'te are the hunter and gathers of the tribe while the women are the soilders and care takers of the young, something like that. That could be a reason why you don't see any of the male miqo'te around.
I think people who want the other sex options figure that while the game is in production is their best chance to get it done.
If you find the topic old then just don't read the threads. /shrug
I agree with this.
I don't see a reason why it is wrong to ask.
I do hope we will see more of the male Miqo'te and the female Roegadyn, even if we can't play them.
In FFXI I always felt strange to see all Mithra kids walk around while never spotting a male.
But maybe we get them, they are still testing, and I guess the surprise for a male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn is something they wait with till the launch of the game.
Who Know's if enough people ask for Male Miqo'te and female roegayn as a playable race in FFXIV Online SE might add them in at say it at E3 this year that they are playable and shock the world ^^ thats what i hope for ^^ hehe.
The lore of the game gives no reason for why they dont have male mi'qote and female roegadyn so that argument is kinda pointless. FFXI came up with the lore to explain it after people started begging for them. FFXIV is not FFXI though and there is no lore crossover whatsoever.
In fact SE have been very careful not to rule them out for XIV. They've also dropped a lot of hints that they have more planned than they're saying outright.
I honestly think they already have the new genders in the works, they just won't announce them until right before launch as it would be a perfect marketing ploy (that and they like teasing their fans).
I don't believe I've seen any lore in 14 that explains why the male Mi'quote and Female Rog's aren't around. Yes they had a storyline in 11 that explained why, it seems lazy to me a player of 11 for over four years, that they would just rehash the same tired excuse as to why those two certain combo's are unplayable. Why not mix it up this time and make the taru ish things only be able to be an androgynous race. A lot of us out here think its just plain lazy to not make a new story for a new world.
I don't believe I've seen any lore in 14 that explains why the male Mi'quote and Female Rog's aren't around. Yes they had a storyline in 11 that explained why, it seems lazy to me a player of 11 for over four years, that they would just rehash the same tired excuse as to why those two certain combo's are unplayable. Why not mix it up this time and make the taru ish things only be able to be an androgynous race. A lot of us out here think its just plain lazy to not make a new story for a new world.
Okay okay, let me tell you what really happened behind the scenes:
"Hmm, now we could make the gameplay a lot better, or we could put resources to animating male miqo'te and female roegadyn... now what to do, what to do.. maybe we should make a good game instead of Sims 4?"
"Yeah director-san, that sounds good."
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I don't believe I've seen any lore in 14 that explains why the male Mi'quote and Female Rog's aren't around. Yes they had a storyline in 11 that explained why, it seems lazy to me a player of 11 for over four years, that they would just rehash the same tired excuse as to why those two certain combo's are unplayable. Why not mix it up this time and make the taru ish things only be able to be an androgynous race. A lot of us out here think its just plain lazy to not make a new story for a new world.
Okay okay, let me tell you what really happened behind the scenes:
"Hmm, now we could make the gameplay a lot better, or we could put resources to animating male miqo'te and female roegadyn... now what to do, what to do.. maybe we should make a good game instead of Sims 4?"
"Yeah director-san, that sounds good."
Do you think it took them any more difficulty to make a Female Miqo'te than it would to make a male version? They're half done.
No offense but what you are saying is just silly and illogical.
Edit: it occurs to me you might have been making a joke, sorry I just got up.
Do you think it took them any more difficulty to make a Female Miqo'te than it would to make a male version? They're half done. No offense but what you are saying is just silly and illogical.
Yes yes, "budget" and "limited resources" is just silly and illogical.. psh, what was I thinking. Sorry.
But yeah, I think it would have taken them more time and resources to make a male miqo'te. Half done usually doesn't mean done.
And no, I'm not making a joke... just trying to explain things. "Lore" is never a good excuse, I know that.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by Laughing-man Do you think it took them any more difficulty to make a Female Miqo'te than it would to make a male version? They're half done. No offense but what you are saying is just silly and illogical.
Yes yes, "budget" and "limited resources" is just silly and illogical.. psh, what was I thinking. Sorry.
But yeah, I think it would have taken them more time and resources to make a male miqo'te. Half done usually doesn't mean done.
And no, I'm not making a joke... just trying to explain things. "Lore" is never a good excuse, I know that.
Yes but you are assuming you know the time and effort and money it would take to modify a current already designed character model and then make it slightly different (aka male) Granted the outfits would have to be modified, why not just use the same ones the human males are going to wear just skin it to the male cats? I understand it would take "more time" its also a weak reason as to why they wouldn't add in a race that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
Yes but you are assuming you know the time and effort and money it would take to modify a current already designed character model and then make it slightly different (aka male) Granted the outfits would have to be modified, why not just use the same ones the human males are going to wear just skin it to the male cats? I understand it would take "more time" its also a weak reason as to why they wouldn't add in a race that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
No, I do not assume anything. What I do know though, is that the developers know these things, have thought about them and came to a conclusion that it is better to put the resources elsewhere.
You can agree or disagree with their decision, but as we are all pretty ignorant on the subject because we know nothing about the cost and the like, assuming that they did the wrong decision is not something you should take as a fact. If you knew what happened behind the scenes, you could be able to make a proper judgement.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Yes but you are assuming you know the time and effort and money it would take to modify a current already designed character model and then make it slightly different (aka male) Granted the outfits would have to be modified, why not just use the same ones the human males are going to wear just skin it to the male cats? I understand it would take "more time" its also a weak reason as to why they wouldn't add in a race that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
No, I do not assume anything. What I do know though, is that the developers know these things, have thought about them and came to a conclusion that it is better to put the resources elsewhere.
You can agree or disagree with their decision, but as we are all pretty ignorant on the subject because we know nothing about the cost and the like, assuming that they did the wrong decision is not something you should take as a fact. If you knew what happened behind the scenes, you could be able to make a proper judgement.
I'm not assuming anything, I'm merely statement my opinion, which is I personally would really like them to add them in, and I also know many people who feel the same. As the design team has stated many times in this stage of development they would like a lot of player feed back to see what players really want to see it seems like a valid time to bring up this topic once again. Despite all the belly aching I believe it is worth revisiting the subject because of their desire to hear our opinions.
that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Please link 14 lore that states where there are no Male Miqo'te or Female Roegadyn. Thank you.
that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Please link 14 lore that states where there are no Male Miqo'te or Female Roegadyn. Thank you.
Never give up, never surrender. And yeah, I too would like to see where in the lore for 14 this is. After all, 14 is NOT 11, right?
I'm not assuming anything, I'm merely statement my opinion, which is I personally would really like them to add them in, and I also know many people who feel the same. As the design team has stated many times in this stage of development they would like a lot of player feed back to see what players really want to see it seems like a valid time to bring up this topic once again. Despite all the belly aching I believe it is worth revisiting the subject because of their desire to hear our opinions.
You are assuming it's a weak reason to not do it, which it may not be after all. You would really like them to add them in, and I would like to play a good game.
But yes, just because there are millions (trillions?) of fans out there who want male miqo'te, jumping and Cloud NPC, they still know just as much as you do about if it's good for the game or not: nothing at all.
Feel free to suggest to them to add male miqo'te. But saying that they're "wrong" for doing something you don't agree with while you know nothing about the resources and timeframe of the development at all is just silly.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Please link 14 lore that states where there are no Male Miqo'te or Female Roegadyn. Thank you.
He's talking about 11.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Please link 14 lore that states where there are no Male Miqo'te or Female Roegadyn. Thank you.
He's talking about 11.
Yes my point in saying that was this "This isn't 11, this is 14, please don't act like they are the same game."
Originally posted by Laughing-man I'm not assuming anything, I'm merely statement my opinion, which is I personally would really like them to add them in, and I also know many people who feel the same. As the design team has stated many times in this stage of development they would like a lot of player feed back to see what players really want to see it seems like a valid time to bring up this topic once again. Despite all the belly aching I believe it is worth revisiting the subject because of their desire to hear our opinions.
You are assuming it's a weak reason to not do it, which it may not be after all. You would really like them to add them in, and I would like to play a good game.
But yes, just because there are millions (trillions?) of fans out there who want male miqo'te, jumping and Cloud NPC, they still know just as much as you do about if it's good for the game or not: nothing at all.
Feel free to suggest to them to add male miqo'te. But saying that they're "wrong" for doing something you don't agree with while you know nothing about the resources and timeframe of the development at all is just silly.
Yes, and you are assuming they couldn't make both a good game, and add in one more character model, heck most games have way more races than SE has put in both their online games, a lot of those are just as quality as FF in my experience. For instance I really enjoyed Dark Age of Camelot, it has a lot more races than 11 does, yet I consider it one of the best MMO's of its day and age. I am only asking for more options, please consider how great it would be if everyone could get what they want, as I'm sure you already have the character model you want to play why not allow others to get what they want as well. Also, I'm not a FF7 fan just to clear up the whole cloud love comment.
Yes, and you are assuming they couldn't make both a good game, and add in one more character model, heck most games have way more races than SE has put in both their online games, a lot of those are just as quality as FF in my experience. For instance I really enjoyed Dark Age of Camelot, it has a lot more races than 11 does, yet I consider it one of the best MMO's of its day and age. I am only asking for more options, please consider how great it would be if everyone could get what they want, as I'm sure you already have the character model you want to play why not allow others to get what they want as well. Also, I'm not a FF7 fan just to clear up the whole cloud love comment.
Hey.. if they could accomplish both, they would have added male miqo'te. There's no other reason than budget there. They're not just leaving it out because "oh no, the storywriter already wrote the lore this way! Now we can't do it anymore! Oh well, this serves as a reminder for next game.."
If everyone could get what they want, we'd be in an Utopia. Which doesn't sound too bad, just not realistic.
Please be realistic, that's all I'm asking.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Yes, and you are assuming they couldn't make both a good game, and add in one more character model, heck most games have way more races than SE has put in both their online games, a lot of those are just as quality as FF in my experience. For instance I really enjoyed Dark Age of Camelot, it has a lot more races than 11 does, yet I consider it one of the best MMO's of its day and age. I am only asking for more options, please consider how great it would be if everyone could get what they want, as I'm sure you already have the character model you want to play why not allow others to get what they want as well. Also, I'm not a FF7 fan just to clear up the whole cloud love comment.
Hey.. if they could accomplish both, they would have added male miqo'te. There's no other reason than budget there. They're not just leaving it out because "oh no, the storywriter already wrote the lore this way! Now we can't do it anymore! Oh well, this serves as a reminder for next game.."
If everyone could get what they want, we'd be in an Utopia. Which doesn't sound too bad, just not realistic.
Please be realistic, that's all I'm asking.
You know Hyanmen, I'm gonna call you out on your ASSUMPTION that it is budget related. Start citing some examples of this, or start making it clear that it is your opinion.
Originally posted by Laughing-man Yes, and you are assuming they couldn't make both a good game, and add in one more character model, heck most games have way more races than SE has put in both their online games, a lot of those are just as quality as FF in my experience. For instance I really enjoyed Dark Age of Camelot, it has a lot more races than 11 does, yet I consider it one of the best MMO's of its day and age. I am only asking for more options, please consider how great it would be if everyone could get what they want, as I'm sure you already have the character model you want to play why not allow others to get what they want as well. Also, I'm not a FF7 fan just to clear up the whole cloud love comment.
Hey.. if they could accomplish both, they would have added male miqo'te. There's no other reason than budget there. They're not just leaving it out because "oh no, the storywriter already wrote the lore this way! Now we can't do it anymore! Oh well, this serves as a reminder for next game.."
If everyone could get what they want, we'd be in an Utopia. Which doesn't sound too bad, just not realistic.
Please be realistic, that's all I'm asking.
So you are saying that you believe the only reason they are not adding in male cats is that they are trying to stay on a budget? Why have red Galka and blue elves? The way they describe the character maker as being extremely detailed just furthers my point that they have spent a lot of time and effort to make very detailed races. There is probably another reason other than money as to why they have not added in the two missing combos if they spent this much time and effort on character development and generation.
It's not the first time i see such practice in asian games. It's really weird to me. I remember in some asian game ( forgot the name) i wanted to be some kind of Archer class. But that class was only available to one race and that race somehow was only females. So i had to choose a female. But i'm not one. And i don't want to play one. So i uninstalled.
But of course, it's developer's right to decide what's better. Lore is lore...
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Seriously I think this plight to get these two race/sex options needs to stop, its getting old. Why can't you all just accept this as how Square-Enix wrote the lore and thats how its going to be, end of story. And as I've read on many other forums with a similar outcry, not every race in an MMO has to have a male and female version and just cause you don't want to play the one provided, doesn't mean the other should be added.
Anyway...
I think people who want the other sex options figure that while the game is in production is their best chance to get it done.
If you find the topic old then just don't read the threads. /shrug
Blizzard wrote their lore so that not every race would be able to play every class.
SE wrote their lore so that not every race would be playable.
And that's that.
I agree with this.
I don't see a reason why it is wrong to ask.
I do hope we will see more of the male Miqo'te and the female Roegadyn, even if we can't play them.
In FFXI I always felt strange to see all Mithra kids walk around while never spotting a male.
But maybe we get them, they are still testing, and I guess the surprise for a male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn is something they wait with till the launch of the game.
Who Know's if enough people ask for Male Miqo'te and female roegayn as a playable race in FFXIV Online SE might add them in at say it at E3 this year that they are playable and shock the world ^^ thats what i hope for ^^ hehe.
The lore of the game gives no reason for why they dont have male mi'qote and female roegadyn so that argument is kinda pointless. FFXI came up with the lore to explain it after people started begging for them. FFXIV is not FFXI though and there is no lore crossover whatsoever.
In fact SE have been very careful not to rule them out for XIV. They've also dropped a lot of hints that they have more planned than they're saying outright.
I honestly think they already have the new genders in the works, they just won't announce them until right before launch as it would be a perfect marketing ploy (that and they like teasing their fans).
Yes they had a storyline in 11 that explained why, it seems lazy to me a player of 11 for over four years, that they would just rehash the same tired excuse as to why those two certain combo's are unplayable.
Why not mix it up this time and make the taru ish things only be able to be an androgynous race.
A lot of us out here think its just plain lazy to not make a new story for a new world.
Okay okay, let me tell you what really happened behind the scenes:
"Hmm, now we could make the gameplay a lot better, or we could put resources to animating male miqo'te and female roegadyn... now what to do, what to do.. maybe we should make a good game instead of Sims 4?"
"Yeah director-san, that sounds good."
Okay okay, let me tell you what really happened behind the scenes:
"Hmm, now we could make the gameplay a lot better, or we could put resources to animating male miqo'te and female roegadyn... now what to do, what to do.. maybe we should make a good game instead of Sims 4?"
"Yeah director-san, that sounds good."
Do you think it took them any more difficulty to make a Female Miqo'te than it would to make a male version?They're half done.
No offense but what you are saying is just silly and illogical.
Edit: it occurs to me you might have been making a joke, sorry I just got up.
Yes yes, "budget" and "limited resources" is just silly and illogical.. psh, what was I thinking. Sorry.
But yeah, I think it would have taken them more time and resources to make a male miqo'te. Half done usually doesn't mean done.
And no, I'm not making a joke... just trying to explain things. "Lore" is never a good excuse, I know that.
Yes yes, "budget" and "limited resources" is just silly and illogical.. psh, what was I thinking. Sorry.
But yeah, I think it would have taken them more time and resources to make a male miqo'te. Half done usually doesn't mean done.
And no, I'm not making a joke... just trying to explain things. "Lore" is never a good excuse, I know that.
Yes but you are assuming you know the time and effort and money it would take to modify a current already designed character model and then make it slightly different (aka male) Granted the outfits would have to be modified, why not just use the same ones the human males are going to wear just skin it to the male cats? I understand it would take "more time" its also a weak reason as to why they wouldn't add in a race that a lot of the player base of 11 have been asking for since its inception.No, I do not assume anything. What I do know though, is that the developers know these things, have thought about them and came to a conclusion that it is better to put the resources elsewhere.
You can agree or disagree with their decision, but as we are all pretty ignorant on the subject because we know nothing about the cost and the like, assuming that they did the wrong decision is not something you should take as a fact. If you knew what happened behind the scenes, you could be able to make a proper judgement.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
No, I do not assume anything. What I do know though, is that the developers know these things, have thought about them and came to a conclusion that it is better to put the resources elsewhere.
You can agree or disagree with their decision, but as we are all pretty ignorant on the subject because we know nothing about the cost and the like, assuming that they did the wrong decision is not something you should take as a fact. If you knew what happened behind the scenes, you could be able to make a proper judgement.
I'm not assuming anything, I'm merely statement my opinion, which is I personally would really like them to add them in, and I also know many people who feel the same. As the design team has stated many times in this stage of development they would like a lot of player feed back to see what players really want to see it seems like a valid time to bring up this topic once again. Despite all the belly aching I believe it is worth revisiting the subject because of their desire to hear our opinions.And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Please link 14 lore that states where there are no Male Miqo'te or Female Roegadyn.Thank you.
Never give up, never surrender. And yeah, I too would like to see where in the lore for 14 this is. After all, 14 is NOT 11, right?
You are assuming it's a weak reason to not do it, which it may not be after all. You would really like them to add them in, and I would like to play a good game.
But yes, just because there are millions (trillions?) of fans out there who want male miqo'te, jumping and Cloud NPC, they still know just as much as you do about if it's good for the game or not: nothing at all.
Feel free to suggest to them to add male miqo'te. But saying that they're "wrong" for doing something you don't agree with while you know nothing about the resources and timeframe of the development at all is just silly.
He's talking about 11.
And a good reason to stop complaining and ranting that they should be added...its more than likely never going to happen cause thats how SE has written the lore. 8 years now of whining for Male Mithra and now Miqo'te and they still havn't been added, thus it will never happen...give up already!
Please link 14 lore that states where there are no Male Miqo'te or Female Roegadyn. Thank you.He's talking about 11.
Yes my point in saying that was this "This isn't 11, this is 14, please don't act like they are the same game."You are assuming it's a weak reason to not do it, which it may not be after all. You would really like them to add them in, and I would like to play a good game.
But yes, just because there are millions (trillions?) of fans out there who want male miqo'te, jumping and Cloud NPC, they still know just as much as you do about if it's good for the game or not: nothing at all.
Feel free to suggest to them to add male miqo'te. But saying that they're "wrong" for doing something you don't agree with while you know nothing about the resources and timeframe of the development at all is just silly.
Yes, and you are assuming they couldn't make both a good game, and add in one more character model, heck most games have way more races than SE has put in both their online games, a lot of those are just as quality as FF in my experience. For instance I really enjoyed Dark Age of Camelot, it has a lot more races than 11 does, yet I consider it one of the best MMO's of its day and age.I am only asking for more options, please consider how great it would be if everyone could get what they want, as I'm sure you already have the character model you want to play why not allow others to get what they want as well. Also, I'm not a FF7 fan just to clear up the whole cloud love comment.
Hey.. if they could accomplish both, they would have added male miqo'te. There's no other reason than budget there. They're not just leaving it out because "oh no, the storywriter already wrote the lore this way! Now we can't do it anymore! Oh well, this serves as a reminder for next game.."
If everyone could get what they want, we'd be in an Utopia. Which doesn't sound too bad, just not realistic.
Please be realistic, that's all I'm asking.
You know Hyanmen, I'm gonna call you out on your ASSUMPTION that it is budget related. Start citing some examples of this, or start making it clear that it is your opinion.
Hey.. if they could accomplish both, they would have added male miqo'te. There's no other reason than budget there. They're not just leaving it out because "oh no, the storywriter already wrote the lore this way! Now we can't do it anymore! Oh well, this serves as a reminder for next game.."
If everyone could get what they want, we'd be in an Utopia. Which doesn't sound too bad, just not realistic.
Please be realistic, that's all I'm asking.
So you are saying that you believe the only reason they are not adding in male cats is that they are trying to stay on a budget? Why have red Galka and blue elves? The way they describe the character maker as being extremely detailed just furthers my point that they have spent a lot of time and effort to make very detailed races. There is probably another reason other than money as to why they have not added in the two missing combos if they spent this much time and effort on character development and generation.It's not the first time i see such practice in asian games. It's really weird to me. I remember in some asian game ( forgot the name) i wanted to be some kind of Archer class. But that class was only available to one race and that race somehow was only females. So i had to choose a female. But i'm not one. And i don't want to play one. So i uninstalled.
But of course, it's developer's right to decide what's better. Lore is lore...