No, "trillions of dollars" would be a far more accurate implication of a limitless budget. Good try though.
So, what I said was a fact after all, even without budget estimates.
"trillions of dollars" is not limitless.
Look the point is that they are a super mega company that makes lots and lots of money. Undoubtedly one of the wealthiest companies to make MMO's. Suggesting that the reason they didn't add something in because of "cost" is just absurd. (Edit: Also don't forget they already stated that the character models are in the game, and that they use the same animations for NPCs as they do players, so if they already spent the money to develop the models... its not cost.)
In FFXI the lore/world story gave you all the reason why male mithra and the female galka were not playable. If I recall right female galka never even existed, they were all just reborn after they died. Male mithra were solitary not showing up in public. Thats all I need to know why we couldnt play them. As long as FFXIV's world gives us a reason why they are not playable, I am fine with it.
Try to be patient and understand why they are not playable instead of critizing SE for them not being playable. Its their game they can make it however they see fit. You want them playable? Buy SE and force them to make it happen.
( I am assuming there not playable)
All NA players need to reed this, This is what the devs think of us.
- The Producer has to do it himself, right? (laughs) Have there been any particular opinions from the players that have left an impression?
Tanaka: We are diligently investigating any issues that get a lot of feedback. One interesting thing to note is the difference in the amount of feedback posted to the Japan, North America and Europe tester forums. Japan has about 5000 posts. Europe and North America have a whole digit more with 19,000 and 25,000, respectively. The amount of testers in each region is the same, but we are seeing 5 NA posts for every single JP post, which really highlights the cultural differences of the regions. Also, North American posters tend to write many more suggestions. It's like, "Listen to my ideas!" (laughs)
- Meaning, Japanese players are a little more "graceful" would you say?
Komoto: More like they take their time and try to get a full understanding of the current situation. We thought they would have more scathing feedback for us, but it hasn't turned out that way. It feels more like they are looking out for us than trying to criticize.
I am glad they dont listen to the na player base because otherwise we would have anime style WoW clone 2X10^(23).0.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
In FFXI the lore/world story gave you all the reason why male mithra and the female galka were not playable. If I recall right female galka never even existed, they were all just reborn after they died. Male mithra were solitary not showing up in public. Thats all I need to know why we couldnt play them. As long as FFXIV's world gives us a reason why they are not playable, I am fine with it.
Try to be patient and understand why they are not playable instead of critizing SE for them not being playable. Its their game they can make it however they see fit. You want them playable? Buy SE and force them to make it happen.
( I am assuming there not playable)
All NA players need to reed this, This is what the devs think of us.
- The Producer has to do it himself, right? (laughs) Have there been any particular opinions from the players that have left an impression?
Tanaka: We are diligently investigating any issues that get a lot of feedback. One interesting thing to note is the difference in the amount of feedback posted to the Japan, North America and Europe tester forums. Japan has about 5000 posts. Europe and North America have a whole digit more with 19,000 and 25,000, respectively. The amount of testers in each region is the same, but we are seeing 5 NA posts for every single JP post, which really highlights the cultural differences of the regions. Also, North American posters tend to write many more suggestions. It's like, "Listen to my ideas!" (laughs)
- Meaning, Japanese players are a little more "graceful" would you say?
Komoto: More like they take their time and try to get a full understanding of the current situation. We thought they would have more scathing feedback for us, but it hasn't turned out that way. It feels more like they are looking out for us than trying to criticize.
I am glad they dont listen to the na player base because otherwise we would have anime style WoW clone 2X10^(23).0.
It is true that a lot of NA and EU players are like that.
But sometimes the difference between looking out and criticize is the way they tell something.
Player 1: This game lacks male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. I want to play any gender for any race their is, this game will suck if it doesn't even have that option.
Player 2: I think it is a good idea to be able to play a male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. A lot of players want to only play their own gender. I don't know if it is possible within the lore of the game, but if it is possible, then I think you would make more players happy.
While they want the same, the way they say it is a huge difference.
Anyway I think their is nothing wrong with asking for some futures.
Of course we can't demand anything, and it annoys me how some players think they have that right.
My opinion is SE shouldn't be influenced to much by what players want, but they should listen. They have created FFXI, they can see what other MMORPG's have done and they should use all that knowledge.
But the people that ask for some futures also played some MMORPG's and what they ask for is probably decided on what they liked and disliked about other MMORPG's, so it is good to listen, and at least think about it.
Alpha players should look what SE has created and if it is fun to play and if it works, and give good feedback on their expierences. Let's hope SE have invited the right Alpha players who really try to understand the game and find out if what SE wanted works, instead of being busy saying what they want.
Still I really don't understand why some people here think it is wrong to ask for some new futures.
If I had the idea SE would listen to me, I would ask a lot of futures that I like, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't use any of my ideas, I have enough trust in SE that they make a game I enjoy.
Look the point is that they are a super mega company that makes lots and lots of money. Undoubtedly one of the wealthiest companies to make MMO's. Suggesting that the reason they didn't add something in because of "cost" is just absurd. (Edit: Also don't forget they already stated that the character models are in the game, and that they use the same animations for NPCs as they do players, so if they already spent the money to develop the models... its not cost.)
Frankly, suggesting that they added everything because they are "super mega company" is as absurd as it can get.
SE has only about 10? 15? different projects going on at the same time, but hey, SE is super mega company so they can afford to put trillions of dollars to each and every one of them.
This is exactly what I mean. People expect everything out of MMO's these days, and are never satisfied. If it does everything other MMO's do but better then it lacks innovation, and if there are several new features but the game lacks some things found in recent other MMO's then it lacks polish (or something?).
Come up with a better reason than "budget" if you can. If not, just agree to disagree (and say bye to logic and hi to fool's pride).
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
It is true that a lot of NA and EU players are like that.
But sometimes the difference between looking out and criticize is the way they tell something.
Player 1: This game lacks male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. I want to play any gender for any race their is, this game will suck if it doesn't even have that option.
Player 2: I think it is a good idea to be able to play a male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. A lot of players want to only play their own gender. I don't know if it is possible within the lore of the game, but if it is possible, then I think you would make more players happy.
Still I really don't understand why some people here think it is wrong to ask for some new futures.
Where are people like that!?
I'm only going against laughing-man's (Player 1) example of how being subjective really makes you look like an idiot.
Had he acted like player 2 (who is a lot more reasonable) then there would be no argument. Feel free to suggest. But don't act like they were "lazy" or "idiots" when they didn't do what you suggested.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Well you can apply that to absolutely anything though.
Either way it's down to what you as a player personally think is more important, and we don't really have a clue what SE sees as more important.
We do know that SE sees something other than male miqo'te more important. We don't know what, but not like it matters. It's not like it'll change anything.
There's the problem though, we don't actually know if anything has been given some level of priority over male miqo'te/female roegadyn.
In FFXI the generally accepted reasoning for the race restrictions was due to the PS2 being unable to regularly render those other two genders as playable races (when in a heavily populated area). The lore was created after the fact in order to explain the design decision away in a way that fit the game world.
In FFXIV they have no such hardware restriction and, so far, have said nothing to suggest the same race restrictions will be in place. For some reason everyone seems to be automatically assuming that the two genders still won't be present when, like I've said repeatedly now, all the evidence so far suggests they're already in development.
There's the problem though, we don't actually know if anything has been given some level of priority over male miqo'te/female roegadyn.
In FFXI the generally accepted reasoning for the race restrictions was due to the PS2 being unable to regularly render those other two genders as playable races (when in a heavily populated area). The lore was created after the fact in order to explain the design decision away in a way that fit the game world.
In FFXIV they have no such hardware restriction and, so far, have said nothing to suggest the same race restrictions will be in place. For some reason everyone seems to be automatically assuming that the two genders still won't be present when, like I've said repeatedly now, all the evidence so far suggests they're already in development.
No, we don't, but if there is something, it's not because of "lore limitations", or "laziness", but budget or technical issues (with the latter being good reason when it comes to XI but not when it comes to XIV).
If the genders are in development, then great. However I'd say that all the evidence we have so far suggests that they're not in development, lol. And by evidence I mean the lack of it .
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
There's the problem though, we don't actually know if anything has been given some level of priority over male miqo'te/female roegadyn.
In FFXI the generally accepted reasoning for the race restrictions was due to the PS2 being unable to regularly render those other two genders as playable races (when in a heavily populated area). The lore was created after the fact in order to explain the design decision away in a way that fit the game world.
In FFXIV they have no such hardware restriction and, so far, have said nothing to suggest the same race restrictions will be in place. For some reason everyone seems to be automatically assuming that the two genders still won't be present when, like I've said repeatedly now, all the evidence so far suggests they're already in development.
No, we don't, but if there is something, it's not because of "lore limitations", or "laziness", but budget or technical issues (with the latter being good reason when it comes to XI but not when it comes to XIV).
If the genders are in development, then great. However I'd say that all the evidence we have so far suggests that they're not in development, lol. And by evidence I mean the lack of it .
Yeah I agree that if they have been left out it would be likely due to those reasons.
As for whether or not they're in... I guess we'll just have to wait and see then.
Originally posted by Laughing-man Look the point is that they are a super mega company that makes lots and lots of money. Undoubtedly one of the wealthiest companies to make MMO's. Suggesting that the reason they didn't add something in because of "cost" is just absurd. (Edit: Also don't forget they already stated that the character models are in the game, and that they use the same animations for NPCs as they do players, so if they already spent the money to develop the models... its not cost.)
Frankly, suggesting that they added everything because they are "super mega company" is as absurd as it can get.
SE has only about 10? 15? different projects going on at the same time, but hey, SE is super mega company so they can afford to put trillions of dollars to each and every one of them.
This is exactly what I mean. People expect everything out of MMO's these days, and are never satisfied. If it does everything other MMO's do but better then it lacks innovation, and if there are several new features but the game lacks some things found in recent other MMO's then it lacks polish (or something?).
Come up with a better reason than "budget" if you can. If not, just agree to disagree (and say bye to logic and hi to fool's pride).
You entirely missed the point, They already animated the character models, they are already in the game as NPCs that interact with players and use these already programed animations and character models. If they already spent the money to MAKE the character models and animations the reason you can't play as a Male Mi'qote CANNOT be "it would cost them too much to make." They already made them.
You entirely missed the point, They already animated the character models, they are already in the game as NPCs that interact with players and use these already programed animations and character models. If they already spent the money to MAKE the character models and animations the reason you can't play as a Male Mi'qote CANNOT be "it would cost them too much to make." They already made them.
NPC's generally have only few animations at best, which most of the time are specifically modeled for the said NPC and not something PC's are able to do.
Only few of the plethora of armors available have also been transferred to the NPC version to save the required work.
Making them playable characters is not only some "oh, let's make animation here and hair style there~~~ completed, yay!" project where everything is already laid out in front of them because there are few NPC's around the miqo'te city (when in fact the male miqo'te could have similar role in XIV as it has in XI- just one rare cat that happened to be one of the main protagonists of the story).
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
It is true that a lot of NA and EU players are like that.
But sometimes the difference between looking out and criticize is the way they tell something.
Player 1: This game lacks male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. I want to play any gender for any race their is, this game will suck if it doesn't even have that option.
Player 2: I think it is a good idea to be able to play a male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. A lot of players want to only play their own gender. I don't know if it is possible within the lore of the game, but if it is possible, then I think you would make more players happy.
While they want the same, the way they say it is a huge difference.
Anyway I think their is nothing wrong with asking for some futures.
Of course we can't demand anything, and it annoys me how some players think they have that right.
Still I really don't understand why some people here think it is wrong to ask for some new futures.
The player 2 approach is rare. So many people take the players 1 approach which brings extreme negativity. Its hard to take Player 1 responses seriously. Most all topics are worth discussing, However when they take the player 1 approach, its not worth discussing, because there not looking to discuss.
Its not wrong to want some added features, but before someone comes and asks for it they need to stop and think how that feature will effect other players. 99% of the people dont consider that and are just thinking me me me me, I want it, who cares what others want. Thats why its best just to let the devs make the game and the gamers play the game.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
You know deep down inside you will want to be a female miqo'te, anyway's.
Then more then likely, you will look at a female roadegyn, and say "That's one ugly bitch", and then re think about wanting them in the game.
ROFL, if they are in the game I wonder how will they look. We can imagine a male Mo'quote but a female Roadegyn can be a lil hard to imagine.
I've kinda thought that the female Roegadyn would be small and not like Amazons. If they would have kept the tails the Miqo'te could've been the female versions (something they shoulda done with Mithra and Galka). If female Roegadyn were Amazons, I think they would just be slightly more muscular and taller versions of female Elezens without the pointed ears. Maybe like the Duskwight Elezen with a little more mass.
the Miqo'te could've been the female versions (something they shoulda done with Mithra and Galka).
If you look across the wide spectrum of MMOs, giving different stats to males and females of the same race is almost never done. It immediately ruffles feathers.
In FFXI the lore/world story gave you all the reason why male mithra and the female galka were not playable. If I recall right female galka never even existed, they were all just reborn after they died. Male mithra were solitary not showing up in public. Thats all I need to know why we couldnt play them. As long as FFXIV's world gives us a reason why they are not playable, I am fine with it.
Try to be patient and understand why they are not playable instead of critizing SE for them not being playable. Its their game they can make it however they see fit. You want them playable? Buy SE and force them to make it happen.
( I am assuming there not playable)
All NA players need to reed this, This is what the devs think of us.
- The Producer has to do it himself, right? (laughs) Have there been any particular opinions from the players that have left an impression?
Tanaka: We are diligently investigating any issues that get a lot of feedback. One interesting thing to note is the difference in the amount of feedback posted to the Japan, North America and Europe tester forums. Japan has about 5000 posts. Europe and North America have a whole digit more with 19,000 and 25,000, respectively. The amount of testers in each region is the same, but we are seeing 5 NA posts for every single JP post, which really highlights the cultural differences of the regions. Also, North American posters tend to write many more suggestions. It's like, "Listen to my ideas!" (laughs)
- Meaning, Japanese players are a little more "graceful" would you say?
Komoto: More like they take their time and try to get a full understanding of the current situation. We thought they would have more scathing feedback for us, but it hasn't turned out that way. It feels more like they are looking out for us than trying to criticize.
I am glad they dont listen to the na player base because otherwise we would have anime style WoW clone 2X10^(23).0.
well done my friend, well done!
granted this is not ffxi, but they did say they want to keep the races the same, since people are so familiar with them. they are right to not listen to alot of the na beta testers. they would ruin the damn game with thier WoWmechanics and other bad ideas. who cares if one race is all male and the other all female. does it really matter? im sure they will have some lore in the game about why this is.
im sure they will have some lore in the game about why this is.
Which is basically, its our game and we'll do what we damn well please...so stop begging us to add these race/sex options and just play the damned game the way we designed it...rofl
Which is basically, its our game and we'll do what we damn well please...so stop begging us to add these race/sex options and just play the damned game the way we designed it...rofl
Usually the people are like "we tell you what to do, and you do it for us" and not "do it how you want, we play it and give our opinion about it".
The former makes games similar to each other, while the latter gives room for much innovation to be had.
Players can't think of anything original. If they have an idea, it's most likely taken from some other game. Their ideas are most often also too large in scope and impossible to create in reality, or just flat out don't work, because people never take into account every perspective, only their own. Just look at this thread.
Let the developers do the thinking, there will be more hits or misses but that's how it should be.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Its not wrong to want some added features, but before someone comes and asks for it they need to stop and think how that feature will effect other players. 99% of the people dont consider that and are just thinking me me me me, I want it, who cares what others want. Thats why its best just to let the devs make the game and the gamers play the game.
I think the player shouldn't have to think about that, that is the devolpers work.
He can just listen to the players and think about what they ask. Does it fit the game play and the game lore, how does it effect other players, how does it effect the game world, can we balance it, etc. etc.
All these things is for the devolper to worry about, and also the reason why he won't add just anything players asked for.
Here some part of an interview with some of the devolpers.
- In other words, during the alpha and planned beta testing phases, you want players to send you any opinions they might have, no matter how trivial?
Tanaka: Exactly.
Komoto: As we mentioned, player opinions often contain things we simply overlook on the developer side. Even before the alpha started, we posted the play manual and people already had opinions on that. (laughs) Developers would take a look at what players noticed and learn things.
Tanaka: Conversely, we are also able to get confirmation for some of our own assumptions.
Komoto: So there's two goals: Discovering what we overlook, and confirming our assumptions. That's why every single comment is important to us.
And I think what Komoto says about the two goals: Discovering what we overlook, and confirming our assumptions. Are the things devolpers really look at, and should look at. So the players can ask whatever they want, SE will decide if it fits their game, if it is something they 'overlooked'.
The askers can't ruin the game, but the devolpers can make the wrong decissions. And nobody can put that blame in the shoes of the people who ask, in the end the devolper needs to make the final decission.
And for this topic, if we get Male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn, then I am pretty sure they planned it from the start but is something they want to keep a secret till launch of the game. (I do expect we will get to see NPC versions of them, that probably will hype more people, and SE probably avoid to confirm it.)
A Marketing thing. Before launch a lot of things will already be known, especially about the races, so it is expected to see Male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn at launch, and /or maybe even a new race. So people, even the people who played alpha and beta, can still get excited again about something new.
I am not saying they will be added, but I do see the chance for it like 70%, and a new race for like 20% chance. If they do it, then it is clever to wait with confirming it till launch of the game, or when pre-oder of the game starts.
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No, "trillions of dollars" would be a far more accurate implication of a limitless budget. Good try though.
So, what I said was a fact after all, even without budget estimates.
"trillions of dollars" is not limitless.
No, "trillions of dollars" would be a far more accurate implication of a limitless budget. Good try though.
So, what I said was a fact after all, even without budget estimates.
"trillions of dollars" is not limitless.
Look the point is that they are a super mega company that makes lots and lots of money. Undoubtedly one of the wealthiest companies to make MMO's. Suggesting that the reason they didn't add something in because of "cost" is just absurd. (Edit: Also don't forget they already stated that the character models are in the game, and that they use the same animations for NPCs as they do players, so if they already spent the money to develop the models... its not cost.)In FFXI the lore/world story gave you all the reason why male mithra and the female galka were not playable. If I recall right female galka never even existed, they were all just reborn after they died. Male mithra were solitary not showing up in public. Thats all I need to know why we couldnt play them. As long as FFXIV's world gives us a reason why they are not playable, I am fine with it.
Try to be patient and understand why they are not playable instead of critizing SE for them not being playable. Its their game they can make it however they see fit. You want them playable? Buy SE and force them to make it happen.
( I am assuming there not playable)
All NA players need to reed this, This is what the devs think of us.
- The Producer has to do it himself, right? (laughs) Have there been any particular opinions from the players that have left an impression?
Tanaka: We are diligently investigating any issues that get a lot of feedback. One interesting thing to note is the difference in the amount of feedback posted to the Japan, North America and Europe tester forums. Japan has about 5000 posts. Europe and North America have a whole digit more with 19,000 and 25,000, respectively. The amount of testers in each region is the same, but we are seeing 5 NA posts for every single JP post, which really highlights the cultural differences of the regions. Also, North American posters tend to write many more suggestions. It's like, "Listen to my ideas!" (laughs)
- Meaning, Japanese players are a little more "graceful" would you say?
Komoto: More like they take their time and try to get a full understanding of the current situation. We thought they would have more scathing feedback for us, but it hasn't turned out that way. It feels more like they are looking out for us than trying to criticize.
I am glad they dont listen to the na player base because otherwise we would have anime style WoW clone 2X10^(23).0.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
It is true that a lot of NA and EU players are like that.
But sometimes the difference between looking out and criticize is the way they tell something.
Player 1: This game lacks male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. I want to play any gender for any race their is, this game will suck if it doesn't even have that option.
Player 2: I think it is a good idea to be able to play a male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn. A lot of players want to only play their own gender. I don't know if it is possible within the lore of the game, but if it is possible, then I think you would make more players happy.
While they want the same, the way they say it is a huge difference.
Anyway I think their is nothing wrong with asking for some futures.
Of course we can't demand anything, and it annoys me how some players think they have that right.
My opinion is SE shouldn't be influenced to much by what players want, but they should listen. They have created FFXI, they can see what other MMORPG's have done and they should use all that knowledge.
But the people that ask for some futures also played some MMORPG's and what they ask for is probably decided on what they liked and disliked about other MMORPG's, so it is good to listen, and at least think about it.
Alpha players should look what SE has created and if it is fun to play and if it works, and give good feedback on their expierences. Let's hope SE have invited the right Alpha players who really try to understand the game and find out if what SE wanted works, instead of being busy saying what they want.
Still I really don't understand why some people here think it is wrong to ask for some new futures.
If I had the idea SE would listen to me, I would ask a lot of futures that I like, but I wouldn't be mad if they didn't use any of my ideas, I have enough trust in SE that they make a game I enjoy.
Frankly, suggesting that they added everything because they are "super mega company" is as absurd as it can get.
SE has only about 10? 15? different projects going on at the same time, but hey, SE is super mega company so they can afford to put trillions of dollars to each and every one of them.
This is exactly what I mean. People expect everything out of MMO's these days, and are never satisfied. If it does everything other MMO's do but better then it lacks innovation, and if there are several new features but the game lacks some things found in recent other MMO's then it lacks polish (or something?).
Come up with a better reason than "budget" if you can. If not, just agree to disagree (and say bye to logic and hi to fool's pride).
Where are people like that!?
I'm only going against laughing-man's (Player 1) example of how being subjective really makes you look like an idiot.
Had he acted like player 2 (who is a lot more reasonable) then there would be no argument. Feel free to suggest. But don't act like they were "lazy" or "idiots" when they didn't do what you suggested.
There's the problem though, we don't actually know if anything has been given some level of priority over male miqo'te/female roegadyn.
In FFXI the generally accepted reasoning for the race restrictions was due to the PS2 being unable to regularly render those other two genders as playable races (when in a heavily populated area). The lore was created after the fact in order to explain the design decision away in a way that fit the game world.
In FFXIV they have no such hardware restriction and, so far, have said nothing to suggest the same race restrictions will be in place. For some reason everyone seems to be automatically assuming that the two genders still won't be present when, like I've said repeatedly now, all the evidence so far suggests they're already in development.
No, we don't, but if there is something, it's not because of "lore limitations", or "laziness", but budget or technical issues (with the latter being good reason when it comes to XI but not when it comes to XIV).
If the genders are in development, then great. However I'd say that all the evidence we have so far suggests that they're not in development, lol. And by evidence I mean the lack of it
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Yeah I agree that if they have been left out it would be likely due to those reasons.
As for whether or not they're in... I guess we'll just have to wait and see then.
Hopefully they will be implemented.. would save me a lot of headaches in the future for sure!
Frankly, suggesting that they added everything because they are "super mega company" is as absurd as it can get.
SE has only about 10? 15? different projects going on at the same time, but hey, SE is super mega company so they can afford to put trillions of dollars to each and every one of them.
This is exactly what I mean. People expect everything out of MMO's these days, and are never satisfied. If it does everything other MMO's do but better then it lacks innovation, and if there are several new features but the game lacks some things found in recent other MMO's then it lacks polish (or something?).
Come up with a better reason than "budget" if you can. If not, just agree to disagree (and say bye to logic and hi to fool's pride).
You entirely missed the point, They already animated the character models, they are already in the game as NPCs that interact with players and use these already programed animations and character models. If they already spent the money to MAKE the character models and animations the reason you can't play as a Male Mi'qote CANNOT be "it would cost them too much to make." They already made them.NPC's generally have only few animations at best, which most of the time are specifically modeled for the said NPC and not something PC's are able to do.
Only few of the plethora of armors available have also been transferred to the NPC version to save the required work.
Making them playable characters is not only some "oh, let's make animation here and hair style there~~~ completed, yay!" project where everything is already laid out in front of them because there are few NPC's around the miqo'te city (when in fact the male miqo'te could have similar role in XIV as it has in XI- just one rare cat that happened to be one of the main protagonists of the story).
LoL play Nice HYA
The player 2 approach is rare. So many people take the players 1 approach which brings extreme negativity. Its hard to take Player 1 responses seriously. Most all topics are worth discussing, However when they take the player 1 approach, its not worth discussing, because there not looking to discuss.
Its not wrong to want some added features, but before someone comes and asks for it they need to stop and think how that feature will effect other players. 99% of the people dont consider that and are just thinking me me me me, I want it, who cares what others want. Thats why its best just to let the devs make the game and the gamers play the game.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Who cares!
You know deep down inside you will want to be a female miqo'te, anyway's.
Then more then likely, you will look at a female roadegyn, and say "That's one ugly bitch", and then re think about wanting them in the game.
ROFL, if they are in the game I wonder how will they look. We can imagine a male Mo'quote but a female Roadegyn can be a lil hard to imagine.
Foolishness.
All male and all female races are just fine.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
I've kinda thought that the female Roegadyn would be small and not like Amazons. If they would have kept the tails the Miqo'te could've been the female versions (something they shoulda done with Mithra and Galka). If female Roegadyn were Amazons, I think they would just be slightly more muscular and taller versions of female Elezens without the pointed ears. Maybe like the Duskwight Elezen with a little more mass.
If you look across the wide spectrum of MMOs, giving different stats to males and females of the same race is almost never done. It immediately ruffles feathers.
well done my friend, well done!
granted this is not ffxi, but they did say they want to keep the races the same, since people are so familiar with them. they are right to not listen to alot of the na beta testers. they would ruin the damn game with thier WoWmechanics and other bad ideas. who cares if one race is all male and the other all female. does it really matter? im sure they will have some lore in the game about why this is.
Which is basically, its our game and we'll do what we damn well please...so stop begging us to add these race/sex options and just play the damned game the way we designed it...rofl
Usually the people are like "we tell you what to do, and you do it for us" and not "do it how you want, we play it and give our opinion about it".
The former makes games similar to each other, while the latter gives room for much innovation to be had.
Players can't think of anything original. If they have an idea, it's most likely taken from some other game. Their ideas are most often also too large in scope and impossible to create in reality, or just flat out don't work, because people never take into account every perspective, only their own. Just look at this thread.
Let the developers do the thinking, there will be more hits or misses but that's how it should be.
I think the player shouldn't have to think about that, that is the devolpers work.
He can just listen to the players and think about what they ask. Does it fit the game play and the game lore, how does it effect other players, how does it effect the game world, can we balance it, etc. etc.
All these things is for the devolper to worry about, and also the reason why he won't add just anything players asked for.
Here some part of an interview with some of the devolpers.
- In other words, during the alpha and planned beta testing phases, you want players to send you any opinions they might have, no matter how trivial?
Tanaka: Exactly.
Komoto: As we mentioned, player opinions often contain things we simply overlook on the developer side. Even before the alpha started, we posted the play manual and people already had opinions on that. (laughs) Developers would take a look at what players noticed and learn things.
Tanaka: Conversely, we are also able to get confirmation for some of our own assumptions.
Komoto: So there's two goals: Discovering what we overlook, and confirming our assumptions. That's why every single comment is important to us.
And I think what Komoto says about the two goals: Discovering what we overlook, and confirming our assumptions. Are the things devolpers really look at, and should look at. So the players can ask whatever they want, SE will decide if it fits their game, if it is something they 'overlooked'.
The askers can't ruin the game, but the devolpers can make the wrong decissions. And nobody can put that blame in the shoes of the people who ask, in the end the devolper needs to make the final decission.
And for this topic, if we get Male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn, then I am pretty sure they planned it from the start but is something they want to keep a secret till launch of the game. (I do expect we will get to see NPC versions of them, that probably will hype more people, and SE probably avoid to confirm it.)
A Marketing thing. Before launch a lot of things will already be known, especially about the races, so it is expected to see Male Miqo'te and female Roegadyn at launch, and /or maybe even a new race. So people, even the people who played alpha and beta, can still get excited again about something new.
I am not saying they will be added, but I do see the chance for it like 70%, and a new race for like 20% chance. If they do it, then it is clever to wait with confirming it till launch of the game, or when pre-oder of the game starts.
I'm gonna quote this for truth.