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  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543

    I plan on trying out the "demo." I just wish they didn't put such heavy restrictions on trials. Let me do whatever I want (restrictions to prevent gold selling/powerlevel selling/spamming are perfectly understandable) and just put a restriction on the time for my account. A 14 day free trial that lets me play the game with few restrictions is what I crave.

    Also, most MMOs do a "welcome back weekend" a year or more into their lives. Since it's at the 4 month mark, does this mean that STO is losing more subscriptions that a game that's a year or older?

  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Xondar123

    I plan on trying out the "demo." I just wish they didn't put such heavy restrictions on trials. Let me do whatever I want (restrictions to prevent gold selling/powerlevel selling/spamming are perfectly understandable) and just put a restriction on the time for my account. A 14 day free trial that lets me play the game with few restrictions is what I crave.

    Also, most MMOs do a "welcome back weekend" a year or more into their lives. Since it's at the 4 month mark, does this mean that STO is losing more subscriptions that a game that's a year or older?

    They wont do it, for the same reasons they limited character level in the open beta, people will find out quickly there is no depth, no content, and they will reach max level fairly easily. Once the "new car" smell wears off its very clear there is zero depth to the game and they will never keep any of the trial palyers. The fact that they go against industry norms with the trial level restrictions shows that they "KNOW" that they lack those things that make an MMO sustainable, they lack those things that make someone "WANT" to play and pay monthly for any exteneded periods of time. Its just more of a way to try and squeeze ever nickel and dime they can out of this game.

  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738

    I believe there is a strict limit in the trial (only a few missions is pretty strict)  because chances are people will download this and get through most of the content before the trial is even over, without ever having to pay for the game. 

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold

    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whether he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

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  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whther he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    Welcome to the forums here, I see its your first post....hmm

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold

    Originally posted by Shivam


    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whther he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    Welcome to the forums here, I see its your first post....hmm

    And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

    image

  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Shivam


    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whther he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    Welcome to the forums here, I see its your first post....hmm

    And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....

    Well then talk about STO then. Little strange your very first post is calling someone else out, and saying they should be banned.

  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whether he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    You can troll and be a fanboy.

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold

    Originally posted by Shivam


    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Shivam


    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whther he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    Welcome to the forums here, I see its your first post....hmm

    And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....

    Well then talk about STO then. Little strange your very first post is calling someone else out, and saying they should be banned.

    Because i have been reading this section for last 3 hours now.... and the word FANBOY is being thrown very casually around here. I would love to discuss the game but i am sure i would be called names unless i agree with all the negativety here. But thanks for the advice anyways. let see how long before someone calls me a fanboy and CDF, Cryptic employee and what not.

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

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  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Shivam


    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Shivam


    Originally posted by xx19kilosold


    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whther he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    Welcome to the forums here, I see its your first post....hmm

    And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....

    Well then talk about STO then. Little strange your very first post is calling someone else out, and saying they should be banned.

    Because i have been reading this section for last 3 hours now.... and the word FANBOY is being thrown very casually around here. I would love to discuss the game but i am sure i would be called names unless i agree with all the negativety here. But thanks for the advice anywhere. let see how long before someone calls me a fanboy and CDF, Cryptic employee and what not.

    You are still not talking about the game or the topic of the thread. The victim thing doesnt work around here unlike the official STO forums. You have something to say about the topic being discussed here, knock yourself out, otherwise you are bringing nothing to the table and are actually acting just like those you claim to call out.

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738

    Originally posted by Sureth

    Get back on topic please.

     A mod posted this a few posts ago.  I guess no one saw it.  Anyway... how about that weekend trial?  Opinions?  Thoughts?

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    I am pointing out double standards and hypocricy which is part of STO discussion since we are talking about STO, the players and the company.

    So please stop calling everyone fanboy who disagree with you. thank you.

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

    image

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738

    Originally posted by Shivam

    I am pointing out double standards and hypocricy which is part of STO discussion since we are talking about STO, the players and the company.

    So please stop calling everyone fanboy who disagree with you. thank you.

     We call it like  we see it.  Just as anyone would do.  Anywho... how about that trial weekend guys?  Opinions?  Thoughts?

    (not trying to flame/troll, just trying to get back on topic.)

  • xx19kilosoldxx19kilosold Member Posts: 209

    Originally posted by Cacaphony

    Originally posted by Sureth

    Get back on topic please.

     A mod posted this a few posts ago.  I guess no one saw it.  Anyway... how about that weekend trial?  Opinions?  Thoughts?

    Yea, sorry man.

    I just dont think enough has improved for me to go back and play. I think the restrictions on the very few missions that can be played during the trial  is very telling about the state of the game, and the very fact that its coming this early in the games life cycle should be very telling to those who wonder what the long term health of this game is at. I really wish and wanted Cryptic to "get it" and really push hard to improve the areas of the game that needed it most, but in my eyes they just have not. Maybe I would be willing to check it out in a year if its still around but right now its just not worth it to me.

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Member Posts: 738

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold

    Originally posted by Cacaphony

    Originally posted by Sureth

    Get back on topic please.

     A mod posted this a few posts ago.  I guess no one saw it.  Anyway... how about that weekend trial?  Opinions?  Thoughts?

    Yea, sorry man.

    I just dont think enough has improved for me to go back and play. I think the restrictions on the very few missions that can be played during the trial  is very telling about the state of the game, and the very fact that its coming this early in the games life cycle should be very telling to those who wonder what the long term health of this game is at. I really wish and wanted Cryptic to "get it" and really push hard to improve the areas of the game that needed it most, but in my eyes they just have not. Maybe I would be willing to check it out in a year if its still around but right now its just not worth it to me.

     I agree with this.  For me, I just dont think that Cryptic has released enough quality content to warrant a resub from me.  A trial that is so strict in how much of the game it allows potential customers to see is also a bad thing in my opinion. 

    A lot of MMO's out there offer at least a weeks worth of play, and some offer 14 days to play.  A weekend seems highly stingy compared to other trials out there.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465

    No one should bother with a limited demo.

    This game will be in the bargain bin soon enough.

    I was a beta player who did not buy (for obvious reasons), and on the very off chance I get the urge to play again, I can wait until it is $10 or less.

    Which will be in a couple months at this rate....

     

  • raistalin69raistalin69 Member Posts: 575

    no crafting

    no exploration

    very little and very shallow content overall

     

    let me know when all 3 of these have changed and ill come back to check it out.

    as to the free weekend, do we have access to the sto forums?

    IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by Shivam
    And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....


    Like anywhere else, the trolls make good number of post counts since they spam the forums with the same crap over and over...

    MMORPG.COM trolls are no different from those on official STO site.


    Regardless what Cryptic does, there will be always part of the community seeing it as wrong even if it means, like in this case, that Cryptic is listening to those who spit on them the most...


    I really can't see how any reasonable person can see Welcome weekend nothing else but friendly gesture to those who felt the game was lacking or w/e at the release and being it an offer to evaluate how the game evolved since they left.


    As for the trial, well..it is a trial that is a pretty much a standard 'feature' in MMO industry.

  • raistalin69raistalin69 Member Posts: 575

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by xx19kilosold

    Originally posted by Attacko

     "Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."

    lol

    got to like ol message boards

    lots of unwitting humor

    Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling

    Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-

    have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap 

    gee- i which one is better for me?  (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry"  what do i know.)

    "the majority sentiment"-  lol-  you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show?  or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile. 

    lol

    You cant even quote what people say properly.

    I said mainstream sentiment.

    Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.

    You need to decide whther he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.

    I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.

    Welcome to the forums here, I see its your first post....hmm

    And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....

     unfortunatley cryptic made a game that most people and reviewers consider to be not very good. many of the negative posters here myself included had high hopes for sto. if your looking for positive input on sto try there forums, other than that i dont think your going to find much. and as to trolls and fanboys, either find it amusing or just dont read it. even with the name calling there is still people stating opinions if you try to ignore that part of it.

    IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME

  • waveslayerwaveslayer Member UncommonPosts: 608

    as far as the welcome back weekend goes, I will give it a shot, will I resub? highly unlikely...but, the game that Cryptic made is pretty solid, the problem IMO is that an MMoRPG made about ST should have been massive and Cryptics ST misses the mark in to many ways, but, the graphics are great and the space combat was awesome and I even liked the ground combat, but once you do thoughs 2 things over over there is nothing more and that is whats so disapointing.

    Godz of War I call Thee

  • KitKat1KitKat1 Member Posts: 33

    I do feel sorry for the people who actualy defend this Game and Cryptic. The standards they hold have dropped low for some of these people...?

    On Topic!

    Cryptic is hoping that we will refer players to STO ... under the banner of "Test it and see" But the restictions on the trial are a joke. It will give them a tast of the game. And one must admit that many people will be sucked into subing if they did not read the reviews or Forums regarding this game.

    The first few missions are nice but it stops about 5-7 days into play when you relize you doing the same thing over and over. But hey then its to late... you alread paid your sub for the month..."Gotcha!" ....

    I will never encourage anyone to bye or support a Cryptic product again! This is only a attempt to pull in the last remaining dummies in before they sink .... ..right Zinch....!

    Oh yea ..dont forget the Buy some stuff on the C-Store... 70% of our new content is availible for purchase!

  • DinendaeDinendae Member Posts: 1,264

    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


     



    As for the trial, well..it is a trial that is a pretty much a standard 'feature' in MMO industry.

     No, industry standards are for a 7, 10, or 14 day trial, though there are the occasional games that have shorter or greater trial time periods. There are also games that put a level cap or area restriction on the trial (WAR and AoC come immediately to mind). However, this is the first time that I know of where you have had a company offer a trial this restrictive. It is most certainly not industry standard.

    If Cryptic feels that their game is evolved enough that they can offer a trial for it, then they should either give a decent time limit (say 7 days) or limit characters to Lt. 10. If they do not think that the game is ready for that level of scrutiny yet, then they should hold off on offering trials until they do feel it is ready.

    "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by Dinendae

     No, industry standards are for a 7, 10, or 14 day trial, though there are the occasional games that have shorter or greater trial time periods. There are also games that put a level cap or area restriction on the trial (WAR and AoC come immediately to mind). However, this is the first time that I know of where you have had a company offer a trial this restrictive. It is most certainly not industry standard.
    If Cryptic feels that their game is evolved enough that they can offer a trial for it, then they should either give a decent time limit (say 7 days) or limit characters to Lt. 10. If they do not think that the game is ready for that level of scrutiny yet, then they should hold off on offering trials until they do feel it is ready.

    Can you share a link to what 'this restrictive' is according to you supposed to be?

  • DinendaeDinendae Member Posts: 1,264

    Originally posted by Gdemami

     



     



     

    Can you share a link to what 'this restrictive' is according to you supposed to be?

     

     Read this thread's original post and figure it out for yourself. There's always the chance that Cryptic could change things at the last minute (since it isn't implemented yet) and offer a real trial, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

    "Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan

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