I plan on trying out the "demo." I just wish they didn't put such heavy restrictions on trials. Let me do whatever I want (restrictions to prevent gold selling/powerlevel selling/spamming are perfectly understandable) and just put a restriction on the time for my account. A 14 day free trial that lets me play the game with few restrictions is what I crave.
Also, most MMOs do a "welcome back weekend" a year or more into their lives. Since it's at the 4 month mark, does this mean that STO is losing more subscriptions that a game that's a year or older?
They wont do it, for the same reasons they limited character level in the open beta, people will find out quickly there is no depth, no content, and they will reach max level fairly easily. Once the "new car" smell wears off its very clear there is zero depth to the game and they will never keep any of the trial palyers. The fact that they go against industry norms with the trial level restrictions shows that they "KNOW" that they lack those things that make an MMO sustainable, they lack those things that make someone "WANT" to play and pay monthly for any exteneded periods of time. Its just more of a way to try and squeeze ever nickel and dime they can out of this game.
"Players like yourself to far more harm to the game and the industry as a whole then any body could ever do by coming on this forum and posting negative threads."
lol
got to like ol message boards
lots of unwitting humor
Fact- Cryptic- a game, an open ear, no name calling
Fact- Strangers on a message board -would be know it alls and know it alls in my exprience tend to get all worked up-
have given me...so far....4 fan boy name calling crap
gee- i which one is better for me? (course being someone like myself that "do far more harm to the game and industry" what do i know.)
"the majority sentiment"- lol- you mean like the low ratings that ended the first show? or you mean that the majority says something so its true and we can have like slavery which the majority seemed to like for awhile.
lol
You cant even quote what people say properly.
I said mainstream sentiment.
Anyway, you are just rying to troll to get the thread locked. Hopefully the mods realize it and get rid of you.
You need to decide whether he is a fanboy or a troll its very confusing. Moreover, just another example that how anyone who has anything positive to say is insulted on these forums.
I don't see him insulting anyone but yet in every post he being called fanboy and insulted. if anyone its you who should be banned.
Originally posted by Dinendae Read this thread's original post and figure it out for yourself. There's always the chance that Cryptic could change things at the last minute (since it isn't implemented yet) and offer a real trial, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
OK, in short: You have no clue.
According to Atari press release:
The Star Trek Online Demo program will allow new users to download and play a trial version of Star Trek Online for an unlimited amount of time (some restrictions apply). The demo includes the Stranded in Space mission, which pits the player against vicious Orion space pirates. The demo client is available for pre-load on May 3, 2010, and will go live starting on May 7, 2010.
Read this thread's original post and figure it out for yourself. There's always the chance that Cryptic could change things at the last minute (since it isn't implemented yet) and offer a real trial, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
OK, in short: You have no clue.
According to Atari press release:
The Star Trek Online Demo program will allow new users to download and play a trial version of Star Trek Online for an unlimited amount of time (some restrictions apply). The demo includes the “Stranded in Space” mission, which pits the player against vicious Orion space pirates. The demo client is available for pre-load on May 3, 2010, and will go live starting on May 7, 2010.
Also, you might look up what standard is...
gdemami, please read the parts i highlighted red, trying to be helpful as im guessing english isnt your first language.
and no what cryptic is offering is not "standard"
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I plan on trying out the "demo." I just wish they didn't put such heavy restrictions on trials. Let me do whatever I want (restrictions to prevent gold selling/powerlevel selling/spamming are perfectly understandable) and just put a restriction on the time for my account. A 14 day free trial that lets me play the game with few restrictions is what I crave.
Also, most MMOs do a "welcome back weekend" a year or more into their lives. Since it's at the 4 month mark, does this mean that STO is losing more subscriptions that a game that's a year or older?
They wont do it, for the same reasons they limited character level in the open beta, people will find out quickly there is no depth, no content, and they will reach max level fairly easily. Once the "new car" smell wears off its very clear there is zero depth to the game and they will never keep any of the trial palyers. The fact that they go against industry norms with the trial level restrictions shows that they "KNOW" that they lack those things that make an MMO sustainable, they lack those things that make someone "WANT" to play and pay monthly for any exteneded periods of time. Its just more of a way to try and squeeze ever nickel and dime they can out of this game.
Maybe their plan is to add a level limit increase to their free demo as a Cash Shop item. "Not enough demo? Buy 5 more Free Demo levels for $10 from the Cash Shop! (Please! We need the money!)"
For any out there who might not have caught it, yes, I'm being facetious.
On a less facetious and rather cynical note, I wouldn't be surprised if the free demo is a tactic being employed to use in future marketing. It's not necessarily what they're doing - I'm not stating this as 'fact'. But it's not beyond possibility that they would count trial accounts as actual player accounts to bolster their numbers for their marketing and press releases. It's happened with other games in the past, so I wouldn't discount it entirely. I mean, it is rather odd to have a free trial this soon after launch, and to have it so limited.
That said, to the people rabidly defending the game as something amazing... well, subjectively, sure perhaps they find it to be truly that amazing. That's fine. But, when I have yet to read a single review that gives STO more than "meh" as a review, citing all the same short-comings (no exploration, boring and pointless ground missions, very "2D" space travel, etc...), along with many players who were psyched to play it coming away disappointed... I kinda have to come to the conclusion that STO is not what one could call a diamond in the rough.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Originally posted by raistalin69 gdemami, please read the parts i highlighted red, trying to be helpful as im guessing english isnt your first language. and no what cryptic is offering is not "standard"
First of all you have no idea what Cryptic is offering since it is very vaguely specified in press release statement only. If you have some other, more specific information, I already asked for a link.
I do know what standard stands for and you should rather read the post I was replying to in reference to trial offers(original post I was replying to). Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from ... - and that is the point.
Also I never claimed that STO trial offer is a 'standard' trial offer since it would be quite pointless debate.
gdemami, please read the parts i highlighted red, trying to be helpful as im guessing english isnt your first language.
and no what cryptic is offering is not "standard"
First of all you have no idea what Cryptic is offering since it is very vaguely specified in press release statement only. If you have some other, more specific information, I already asked for a link.
I do know what standard stands for and you should rather read the post I was replying to in reference to trial offers(original post I was replying to). Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from ... - and that is the point.
Also I never claimed that STO trial offer is a 'standard' trial offer since it would be quite pointless debate.
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an average or normal requirement, quality, quantity, level, grade, etc.: His work this week hasn't been up to his usual standard.
. Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from
other trials are the standard, cryptic is listing a mission , this is not standard. a time limit and lvl limit are what is standard from my previous trials of mmos and possibly being limited to a specific area.
a limit to a mission or a very few mission's would be standard for a single player game from what i have experienced in the past.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....
Like anywhere else, the trolls make good number of post counts since they spam the forums with the same crap over and over...
MMORPG.COM trolls are no different from those on official STO site.
Regardless what Cryptic does, there will be always part of the community seeing it as wrong even if it means, like in this case, that Cryptic is listening to those who spit on them the most...
I really can't see how any reasonable person can see Welcome weekend nothing else but friendly gesture to those who felt the game was lacking or w/e at the release and being it an offer to evaluate how the game evolved since they left.
As for the trial, well..it is a trial that is a pretty much a standard 'feature' in MMO industry.
Two points -
#1 - those "people who spit on <Cryptic>" are paying customers, many of whom feel like they've been ripped off. Speaking for me personally, I didn't buy a game called Star Trek: C-Store, I didn't spend money that I work for to buy a barely workable product with severely limited content, I didn't buy their product to be told "I don't get it" and deal with Cryptic's constant retconning, and I wouldn't have purchased it if I had known that was all it was going to me.
#2 - If you made the effort to compare the trial that Cryptic is offering to what other games offering, you will see that Cryptic's trial is severely limited. It seems that Cryptic may be deceptive and trying to hide something.
No, industry standards are for a 7, 10, or 14 day trial, though there are the occasional games that have shorter or greater trial time periods. There are also games that put a level cap or area restriction on the trial (WAR and AoC come immediately to mind). However, this is the first time that I know of where you have had a company offer a trial this restrictive. It is most certainly not industry standard.
If Cryptic feels that their game is evolved enough that they can offer a trial for it, then they should either give a decent time limit (say 7 days) or limit characters to Lt. 10. If they do not think that the game is ready for that level of scrutiny yet, then they should hold off on offering trials until they do feel it is ready.
Can you share a link to what 'this restrictive' is according to you supposed to be?
Why don't you look at the websties of some of the other games out there?
gdemami, please read the parts i highlighted red, trying to be helpful as im guessing english isnt your first language.
and no what cryptic is offering is not "standard"
First of all you have no idea what Cryptic is offering since it is very vaguely specified in press release statement only. If you have some other, more specific information, I already asked for a link.
I do know what standard stands for and you should rather read the post I was replying to in reference to trial offers(original post I was replying to). Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from ... - and that is the point.
Also I never claimed that STO trial offer is a 'standard' trial offer since it would be quite pointless debate.
4.
an average or normal requirement, quality, quantity, level, grade, etc.: His work this week hasn't been up to his usual standard.
. Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from
other trials are the standard, cryptic is listing a mission , this is not standard. a time limit and lvl limit are what is standard from my previous trials of mmos and possibly being limited to a specific area.
a limit to a mission or a very few mission's would be standard for a single player game from what i have experienced in the past.
You remember the trial for Warcraft 2? Where you could play the first 3 or 4 missions?
And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....
Like anywhere else, the trolls make good number of post counts since they spam the forums with the same crap over and over...
MMORPG.COM trolls are no different from those on official STO site.
Regardless what Cryptic does, there will be always part of the community seeing it as wrong even if it means, like in this case, that Cryptic is listening to those who spit on them the most...
I really can't see how any reasonable person can see Welcome weekend nothing else but friendly gesture to those who felt the game was lacking or w/e at the release and being it an offer to evaluate how the game evolved since they left.
As for the trial, well..it is a trial that is a pretty much a standard 'feature' in MMO industry.
Two points -
#1 - those "people who spit on " are paying customers, many of whom feel like they've been ripped off. Speaking for me personally, I didn't buy a game called Star Trek: C-Store, I didn't spend money that I work for to buy a barely workable product with severely limited content, I didn't buy their product to be told "I don't get it" and deal with Cryptic's constant retconning, and I wouldn't have purchased it if I had known that was all it was going to me.
#2 - If you made the effort to compare the trial that Cryptic is offering to what other games offering, you will see that Cryptic's trial is severely limited. It seems that Cryptic may be deceptive and trying to hide something.
Bang on the money mate.
The only thing a limied time MMO trial should limit is in-game mail and chat options to protect paying customers from gold spammers.
Just got my e-mail. May 7th .... Also Cryptic is opening up a New Demo Play (Trial) Feature that's 'limited to the first few missions' that starts the same time.
According to Atari press release:
The Star Trek Online Demo program will allow new users to download and play a trial version of Star Trek Online for an unlimited amount of time (some restrictions apply). The demo includes the “Stranded in Space” mission, which pits the player against vicious Orion space pirates. The demo client is available for pre-load on May 3, 2010, and will go live starting on May 7, 2010.
The e-mail while having a few more words than I put down :-) Pretty much just said what I wrote; it started May 7th and was limited to the first few missions. Nothing else.
Now from a marketing standpoint the press release is a thousand times superior as a selling point.
Not remembering the mission flow beyond the tutorial stuff, I'm unsure where 'Stranded in Space' comes in, but I do place the mission and thought it was a fairly nice one. I can see the demo playing a few prior to it and then having that as the big finale to the demo as it would showcase the games potentional off nicely without opening up the repeatitive nature of follow on missions.
As far as the 'unlimited amount of time' portion, well we know that really doesn't mean much when you have a set number of missions you can play. Take AoC for example 'Forever Free Lvl 1 - 20'. Since you can't leave the starter island you're limited to how many missions you can do and how high a level you can go. Doesn't matter if it takes you a day to Cap or 3 months to play every single night & day time quest there's a hard number you will reach.
For STO if we drag it out in the best possible light; 1 day for the tutorial, 1 day each for 3 missions, 1 day for 'Stranded' you get a week (or more if you don't play every day). The truth for those first few missions is more like; 2 days to finish them all.
Personally I think it's too soon for this kind of stuff. I also think Cryptic is going to suck in new players with it because it'll end at the 'wanting more' vice 'is this all there is' part and the cycle of burning the bridge behind themselves will just continue. Revenue will come in, it just won't be alot of repeat business.
And? is there a rule or something? i recently joined STO, got sick of negativety, googled some other sites to get info and here we are again....
Like anywhere else, the trolls make good number of post counts since they spam the forums with the same crap over and over...
MMORPG.COM trolls are no different from those on official STO site.
Regardless what Cryptic does, there will be always part of the community seeing it as wrong even if it means, like in this case, that Cryptic is listening to those who spit on them the most...
I really can't see how any reasonable person can see Welcome weekend nothing else but friendly gesture to those who felt the game was lacking or w/e at the release and being it an offer to evaluate how the game evolved since they left.
As for the trial, well..it is a trial that is a pretty much a standard 'feature' in MMO industry.
Two points -
#1 - those "people who spit on " are paying customers, many of whom feel like they've been ripped off. Speaking for me personally, I didn't buy a game called Star Trek: C-Store, I didn't spend money that I work for to buy a barely workable product with severely limited content, I didn't buy their product to be told "I don't get it" and deal with Cryptic's constant retconning, and I wouldn't have purchased it if I had known that was all it was going to me.
#2 - If you made the effort to compare the trial that Cryptic is offering to what other games offering, you will see that Cryptic's trial is severely limited. It seems that Cryptic may be deceptive and trying to hide something.
Cryptic isn't worth the saliva I would produce to spit on them
The c store hyping is pretty annoying. Sure you don't have the buy stuff there, but I would appreciate cryptic not shoving it in my face everytime Im on the website/forums. I feel like Im in the MMO equivalent of a a flea market. The stealth editting by devs over there is a annoying as well. Edit the post and then say "we never claimed x" This week it was the nomad skin for cruisers that was deleted because it wasn't approved. Apparently quite few peole noticed when it got deleted. So much for their famed "communication". It takes two seconds to say " hey nomad's not coming out,cbs won't approve it."
If you want to fork your money over to cryptic good luck. My time's up today and I won't be looking back. There's much better out there for the same price cryptic is charging.
... on a down sound the game has good enough graphics and play that there trial offer is going to suck more people in. after all if you only did the first 3 or 4 missions, it might seem like a mediocre game.... its not until after i realized that the missions are all exactly the same that i saw how shallow and incomplete sto was.
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. By limiting play time, Cryptic is making a wise move. Odd's are good you shouldn't see the same repeat missions if you can only do a couple at the start. And to be honest the build up to the regular missions is fairly decent with some nice features. Toon creation, a ho-hum tutorial that atleast gets you into the (their) ST mood, auto grouping etc.... Then you do a couple missions and those are unique too. It's after that ....... things go downhill.
Cryptic will probably make money on the deal, but will totally burn the bridge behind themselves doing it. I feel sorry for those to come.
Buying the game now is not an awful deal for 30 bucks since it still includes the 30 days. I just hope they read a few reviews before making any decisions especially when considering an LTS so early on. When and if they ever catch up on content they should get some good publicity out of it. I might check them out again if it happens.
I hate to say I agree that this is probably going to work out for them somewhat as I personally found the very start of the game acceptable, it is pretty much once you leave there and realize the content is pretty much cut and paste from there on with little innovation, a horrible crafting system (if memory alpha can even be called that), no exploration, or persistant world that the game seems unbearable to play and pay monthly for. This may actually help them keep the game relevant without actually doing anything to make it fun.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
... on a down sound the game has good enough graphics and play that there trial offer is going to suck more people in. after all if you only did the first 3 or 4 missions, it might seem like a mediocre game.... its not until after i realized that the missions are all exactly the same that i saw how shallow and incomplete sto was.
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. By limiting play time, Cryptic is making a wise move. Odd's are good you shouldn't see the same repeat missions if you can only do a couple at the start. And to be honest the build up to the regular missions is fairly decent with some nice features. Toon creation, a ho-hum tutorial that atleast gets you into the (their) ST mood, auto grouping etc.... Then you do a couple missions and those are unique too. It's after that ....... things go downhill.
Cryptic will probably make money on the deal, but will totally burn the bridge behind themselves doing it. I feel sorry for those to come.
Buying the game now is not an awful deal for 30 bucks since it still includes the 30 days. I just hope they read a few reviews before making any decisions especially when considering an LTS so early on. When and if they ever catch up on content they should get some good publicity out of it. I might check them out again if it happens.
I wonder if there'll be a special limited time lifetime sub offer this weekend?
... on a down sound the game has good enough graphics and play that there trial offer is going to suck more people in. after all if you only did the first 3 or 4 missions, it might seem like a mediocre game.... its not until after i realized that the missions are all exactly the same that i saw how shallow and incomplete sto was.
I was thinking pretty much the same thing. By limiting play time, Cryptic is making a wise move. Odd's are good you shouldn't see the same repeat missions if you can only do a couple at the start. And to be honest the build up to the regular missions is fairly decent with some nice features. Toon creation, a ho-hum tutorial that atleast gets you into the (their) ST mood, auto grouping etc.... Then you do a couple missions and those are unique too. It's after that ....... things go downhill.
Cryptic will probably make money on the deal, but will totally burn the bridge behind themselves doing it. I feel sorry for those to come.
Buying the game now is not an awful deal for 30 bucks since it still includes the 30 days. I just hope they read a few reviews before making any decisions especially when considering an LTS so early on. When and if they ever catch up on content they should get some good publicity out of it. I might check them out again if it happens.
I wonder if there'll be a special limited time lifetime sub offer this weekend?
I wouldn't be suprised. Imagine the forum commotion from those that paid 300 bucks.
other trials are the standard, cryptic is listing a mission , this is not standard. a time limit and lvl limit are what is standard from my previous trials of mmos and possibly being limited to a specific area. a limit to a mission or a very few mission's would be standard for a single player game from what i have experienced in the past.
The point is, the standard is one and serves as measurement for divergence from this said standard.
Options are not a standard.
Looking into a dictionary is good, not being able to understand what is written there is fail.
Then again, you have no idea apart from this vague press release statement how exactly the trial is supposedly work and even then, it is pointless to discuss the matter.
Trial is for a potential customer to evaluate a product. Whether the trial content or the game itself makes you subscribe is to each own only.
#1 - those "people who spit on " are paying customers, many of whom feel like they've been ripped off. Speaking for me personally, I didn't buy a game called Star Trek: C-Store, I didn't spend money that I work for to buy a barely workable product with severely limited content, I didn't buy their product to be told "I don't get it" and deal with Cryptic's constant retconning, and I wouldn't have purchased it if I had known that was all it was going to me. #2 - If you made the effort to compare the trial that Cryptic is offering to what other games offering, you will see that Cryptic's trial is severely limited. It seems that Cryptic may be deceptive and trying to hide something.
Two points: 1) The fact one is a paying customer does not excuse the lack of manners and bad behavior.
Failed expectation does not make Cryptic ripping off anyone.
2) There is nothing to compare until STO trial is released and even then, such comparing is just meaningless.
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EDIT: Ups, I have used 'you' in plural for generalization and haven't realized it might be taken personally. Sorry!
Fact- Pretty nice of Cryptic to offer a free trial. find out for yourself. or listen to ...men? ...that whine? ...lol
Fact- Phasers in orange and Disruptors in green and the Giant plasma Torpedo and plasma beams and white torpedos and color all over the place. I suggest try the space battles
Fact- Nothing to lose. Play a bit, hate it or not. not playing and listening to someone else's opinion . the outcome? - "i listened to the guy that was all uptight and hates a ...(lol) game company , so i beleived him and stopped there.
Fact- A free trial is being lambasted for not having all the features? lol
the evidence is clear- anyone that would look to a new mmo for massive content are ....misguided.
Cryptic, the neo gaming company of the new forever
For people who are actually enjoying the game, this free trial is a good sign because soon after this the people with nothing better to do than to attack and complain about this game will move on. The reason is because nothing much more will happen to support their theory of "doom." Expect them to make another thread when the price falls to the cost of the included month's subscription. But pretty much after that, they will have to scrape the barrel to complain about minutiae in the patch notes. You see what I am saying, the game has essentially hit rock bottom from an outside point of view, soon the haters of this game will just move on.
I saw a post by ktanner that was sensible, just warning people that he thought it was a bad game. But these people that go on and on and pick apart every little thing, soon they will lose interest because the game is already unpopular, it already has an endless free trial, there won't be any more big victories for the folks that want to see the game fail, at least this marks one of the last big victories for the next several months.
The last thing I want to say is that the recent restructuring of Icarus Studios shows how much these MMORPG posters just follow the crowd around here and it makes them out of touch. I played Fallen Earth and STO, and I thought they are both equally mediocre, maybe a good change for people tired of fantasy. But if you read these forums, it's cool to praise FE and it's cool to hate on STO. They bring up unimportant points about whether FE is more Indy (I bet it cost more and took longer to produce than STO), or FE is more successful because it was targetting a niche, but that is all bunk and the reality check proves that neither game is doing particularly well. I have nothing against FE, I just think it is an example of too much crowd-think on this forum.
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Yeah, that's true. I had the same thought.
It's not either/or. Fanboys can be trolls too.
OK, in short: You have no clue.
According to Atari press release:
The Star Trek Online Demo program will allow new users to download and play a trial version of Star Trek Online for an unlimited amount of time (some restrictions apply). The demo includes the Stranded in Space mission, which pits the player against vicious Orion space pirates. The demo client is available for pre-load on May 3, 2010, and will go live starting on May 7, 2010.
Also, you might look up what standard is...
gdemami, please read the parts i highlighted red, trying to be helpful as im guessing english isnt your first language.
and no what cryptic is offering is not "standard"
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something considered by an authority or by general consent as a basis of comparison; an approved model.
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an object that is regarded as the usual or most common size or form of its kind: We stock the deluxe models as well as the standards.
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a rule or principle that is used as a basis for judgment: They tried to establish standards for a new philosophical approach.
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an average or normal requirement, quality, quantity, level, grade, etc.: His work this week hasn't been up to his usual standard.
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standards, those morals, ethics, habits, etc., established by authority, custom, or an individual as acceptable: He tried to live up to his father's standards.
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a grade of beef immediately below good.
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the authorized exemplar of a unit of weight or measure.
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a certain commodity in or by which a basic monetary unit is stated.Compare gold standard, silver standard, bimetallism, monometallism.
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the legally established content of full-weight coins.
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the prescribed degree of fineness for gold or silver.
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British. a class or grade in elementary schools.
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a musical piece of sufficiently enduring popularity to be made part of a permanent repertoire, esp. a popular song.
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a flag indicating the presence of a sovereign or public official.
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a flag, emblematic figure, or other object raised on a pole to indicate the rallying point of an army, fleet, etc.
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something that stands or is placed upright.
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serving as a basis of weight, measure, value, comparison, or judgment.
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of recognized excellence or established authority: a standard reference on medieval history.
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usual, common, or customary: Chairs are standard furniture in American households.
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manual; not electric or automatic: standard transmission.
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conforming in pronunciation, grammar, vocabulary, etc., to the usage of most educated native speakers, esp. those having prestige, and widely considered acceptable or correct: Standard American English; standard pronunciation. Compare nonstandard (def. 2).
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1, 3. gauge, basis, pattern, guide. Standard, criterion refer to the basis for making a judgment. A standard is an authoritative principle or rule that usually implies a model or pattern for guidance, by comparison with which the quantity, excellence, correctness, etc., of other things may be determined: She could serve as the standard of good breeding. A criterion is a rule or principle used to judge the value, suitability, probability, etc., of something, without necessarily implying any comparison: Wealth is no criterion of a person's worth.
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IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Maybe their plan is to add a level limit increase to their free demo as a Cash Shop item. "Not enough demo? Buy 5 more Free Demo levels for $10 from the Cash Shop! (Please! We need the money!)"
For any out there who might not have caught it, yes, I'm being facetious.
On a less facetious and rather cynical note, I wouldn't be surprised if the free demo is a tactic being employed to use in future marketing. It's not necessarily what they're doing - I'm not stating this as 'fact'. But it's not beyond possibility that they would count trial accounts as actual player accounts to bolster their numbers for their marketing and press releases. It's happened with other games in the past, so I wouldn't discount it entirely. I mean, it is rather odd to have a free trial this soon after launch, and to have it so limited.
That said, to the people rabidly defending the game as something amazing... well, subjectively, sure perhaps they find it to be truly that amazing. That's fine. But, when I have yet to read a single review that gives STO more than "meh" as a review, citing all the same short-comings (no exploration, boring and pointless ground missions, very "2D" space travel, etc...), along with many players who were psyched to play it coming away disappointed... I kinda have to come to the conclusion that STO is not what one could call a diamond in the rough.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
First of all you have no idea what Cryptic is offering since it is very vaguely specified in press release statement only. If you have some other, more specific information, I already asked for a link.
I do know what standard stands for and you should rather read the post I was replying to in reference to trial offers(original post I was replying to). Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from ... - and that is the point.
Also I never claimed that STO trial offer is a 'standard' trial offer since it would be quite pointless debate.
4.
an average or normal requirement, quality, quantity, level, grade, etc.: His work this week hasn't been up to his usual standard.
. Listing all possible offers of trials is not what a standard is nor it makes STO trial different from
other trials are the standard, cryptic is listing a mission , this is not standard. a time limit and lvl limit are what is standard from my previous trials of mmos and possibly being limited to a specific area.
a limit to a mission or a very few mission's would be standard for a single player game from what i have experienced in the past.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Two points -
#1 - those "people who spit on <Cryptic>" are paying customers, many of whom feel like they've been ripped off. Speaking for me personally, I didn't buy a game called Star Trek: C-Store, I didn't spend money that I work for to buy a barely workable product with severely limited content, I didn't buy their product to be told "I don't get it" and deal with Cryptic's constant retconning, and I wouldn't have purchased it if I had known that was all it was going to me.
#2 - If you made the effort to compare the trial that Cryptic is offering to what other games offering, you will see that Cryptic's trial is severely limited. It seems that Cryptic may be deceptive and trying to hide something.
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
Why don't you look at the websties of some of the other games out there?
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
You remember the trial for Warcraft 2? Where you could play the first 3 or 4 missions?
That is the first thing I thought of.
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
Bang on the money mate.
The only thing a limied time MMO trial should limit is in-game mail and chat options to protect paying customers from gold spammers.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
Cryptic isn't worth the saliva I would produce to spit on them
The c store hyping is pretty annoying. Sure you don't have the buy stuff there, but I would appreciate cryptic not shoving it in my face everytime Im on the website/forums. I feel like Im in the MMO equivalent of a a flea market. The stealth editting by devs over there is a annoying as well. Edit the post and then say "we never claimed x" This week it was the nomad skin for cruisers that was deleted because it wasn't approved. Apparently quite few peole noticed when it got deleted. So much for their famed "communication". It takes two seconds to say " hey nomad's not coming out,cbs won't approve it."
If you want to fork your money over to cryptic good luck. My time's up today and I won't be looking back. There's much better out there for the same price cryptic is charging.
Buying the game now is not an awful deal for 30 bucks since it still includes the 30 days. I just hope they read a few reviews before making any decisions especially when considering an LTS so early on. When and if they ever catch up on content they should get some good publicity out of it. I might check them out again if it happens.
I hate to say I agree that this is probably going to work out for them somewhat as I personally found the very start of the game acceptable, it is pretty much once you leave there and realize the content is pretty much cut and paste from there on with little innovation, a horrible crafting system (if memory alpha can even be called that), no exploration, or persistant world that the game seems unbearable to play and pay monthly for. This may actually help them keep the game relevant without actually doing anything to make it fun.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I wonder if there'll be a special limited time lifetime sub offer this weekend?
I wouldn't be suprised. Imagine the forum commotion from those that paid 300 bucks.
A welcome back weekend and offer for vets? Ummm...this game is what 4 months old? LOL!
All the promotions and C-store stuff is for the 20M bonus.
3 months actually. roflcopters
BTW, what's wit the ghost locking of threads?
The point is, the standard is one and serves as measurement for divergence from this said standard.
Options are not a standard.
Looking into a dictionary is good, not being able to understand what is written there is fail.
Then again, you have no idea apart from this vague press release statement how exactly the trial is supposedly work and even then, it is pointless to discuss the matter.
Trial is for a potential customer to evaluate a product. Whether the trial content or the game itself makes you subscribe is to each own only.
Two points:
1) The fact one is a paying customer does not excuse the lack of manners and bad behavior.
Failed expectation does not make Cryptic ripping off anyone.
2) There is nothing to compare until STO trial is released and even then, such comparing is just meaningless.
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EDIT: Ups, I have used 'you' in plural for generalization and haven't realized it might be taken personally. Sorry!
well looks like the community will be welcoming returnees with open arms:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=155034
If that's the reception I got, I certainly wouldn't be sticking around. What's the captain database for now? Background checks?
Fact- Pretty nice of Cryptic to offer a free trial. find out for yourself. or listen to ...men? ...that whine? ...lol
Fact- Phasers in orange and Disruptors in green and the Giant plasma Torpedo and plasma beams and white torpedos and color all over the place. I suggest try the space battles
Fact- Nothing to lose. Play a bit, hate it or not. not playing and listening to someone else's opinion . the outcome? - "i listened to the guy that was all uptight and hates a ...(lol) game company , so i beleived him and stopped there.
Fact- A free trial is being lambasted for not having all the features? lol
the evidence is clear- anyone that would look to a new mmo for massive content are ....misguided.
Cryptic, the neo gaming company of the new forever
For people who are actually enjoying the game, this free trial is a good sign because soon after this the people with nothing better to do than to attack and complain about this game will move on. The reason is because nothing much more will happen to support their theory of "doom." Expect them to make another thread when the price falls to the cost of the included month's subscription. But pretty much after that, they will have to scrape the barrel to complain about minutiae in the patch notes. You see what I am saying, the game has essentially hit rock bottom from an outside point of view, soon the haters of this game will just move on.
I saw a post by ktanner that was sensible, just warning people that he thought it was a bad game. But these people that go on and on and pick apart every little thing, soon they will lose interest because the game is already unpopular, it already has an endless free trial, there won't be any more big victories for the folks that want to see the game fail, at least this marks one of the last big victories for the next several months.
The last thing I want to say is that the recent restructuring of Icarus Studios shows how much these MMORPG posters just follow the crowd around here and it makes them out of touch. I played Fallen Earth and STO, and I thought they are both equally mediocre, maybe a good change for people tired of fantasy. But if you read these forums, it's cool to praise FE and it's cool to hate on STO. They bring up unimportant points about whether FE is more Indy (I bet it cost more and took longer to produce than STO), or FE is more successful because it was targetting a niche, but that is all bunk and the reality check proves that neither game is doing particularly well. I have nothing against FE, I just think it is an example of too much crowd-think on this forum.