I've not had any problem doing the group instances while leveling .
Fanbois always make up things like that to make their game look better. Problem is, some here also played LOTRO, and know it's not true. Even on the supposed "hi population" servers it's almost impossible to find people OF THE SAME LEVEL for the group quests. I don't talk about getting a max level to faceroll the content here, but a group of players of the right level for the content.
Its important to find a kinship though because they will help you .If you go into the game with a bad unfriendly attitude you will end up soloing most of it . If your friendly and helpful to other players they return the favour .
And there we go with the "if you can't group, it must be your fault, you're antisocial, etc"... You cannot be friendly and social with people that do not exist. The problem is not to establish contact with people... it's to find people of the same level to do the content.
If I was you, I'd stop trying to make up imaginary things to make LOTRO look better and Wow look bad. Many here played both games and know exactly what the reality is, and you will only display yourself as a fool with that way of posting.
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There was much I really, really enjoyed about WoW. I still think it's one of the very best games out there.
There were three things I didn't like:
1/. The community
Juvenile, aggressive and nasty. I tried three different servers and found exactly the same kind of people each time so, in the end, I stopped paying Blizz real money to move my toons to another server, and just stuck with the one I was on. These were Euro servers. I hear that the communities on US servers are better but because Blizz won't let you choose US servers without buying another version of their game from a US retailer, I don't know about that.
2/. Crafting and the Economy
Crafting is a horrible, expensive time-sink. And, at the end of it, most professions have nothing they can sell on a regular basis to make any kind of regular income.
3/. The End Game
I do accept that WoW has thought long and hard about the end game and tried to offer a lot of variety:
- Raids: I found these repetitive and time-consuming. Euthger you join a PUG which has a low chance of completion or you must join a guild which demands you play the game on a semi-professional basis. I know this sounds crazy but I wish there was some way Blizz could invent one-man or two/three/five man 'raids'.
- Arenas: I hated these. It's a completely different kind of game from the rest of WoW. A twitch-based, lolcoptering, arcade game that I couldn't get into.
- BGs: I kind of enjoyed these since they offered a different kind of PVP. However, there was a sameness to them and they were predictable - if you got first strike, you almost always won; two players would always beat one player, three players would always beat two...; if you died, you ended up in a graveyard, waited thirty seconds and then went in again...
For these three reasons, I unsubscribed and won't come back again till Catalclysm (just to enjoy the new landscapes and PVE). I am not currently playing another MMO though I did try Lotro a month ago. While I know many people love it, I personally found it a little tame.
I played LotRO for a couple months and Oh Dear God was it BORING.
I was able to stomach Angmar but Moria ....Moria made me quit. I held on foolishly thinking Mirkwood would make the game bearable enough to make it through Moria but I tripped at the goal line. I finally quit at level 57.
Only play LotRO if you are a hardcore soloer. No one does the non max level instances anymore, finding people for group quests can impossible most of the time.
Also, the "mature and nicer" community doesnt mean people actually know what they are doing. In the instance groups I was able to find the other players, especially tanks, were mostly awful.
I've not had any problem doing the group instances while leveling . Its important to find a kinship though because they will help you .If you go into the game with a bad unfriendly attitude you will end up soloing most of it . If your friendly and helpful to other players they return the favour . Mature and Nicer does'nt mean they don't know what they are doing lol it means just that the players are normally 18+ and helpful .Again its a matter of preferance I would rather be in a party of people that arn't calling each other noob all the time .
I have had to put one person on my ignore list in just over a year and not because I dont encounter a similar volume of people to medium Warcraft server .Lotro is a different game to WoW its focus is more on traditional story based rpg elements where WoW is more of a raid /battleground/arena centric game these days. Its easier to get into the action quicker in WoW but if you like questing WoWs game world is pretty much dead now since the cross server looking for a group system and leveling via battle grounds .
Wow's game world dead ??? God, what nonsense you read these days.
In another thread there is a 220 post thread it is not an mmorpg, Now it is dead.
ALL coming from people who don't even play it. Oh they "play" WOW in their heads and dream up just another game that doesn't even exist.
I must be dreaming when I meet those hundreds of people every night in Icecrown, Storm Peaks and WIntergrasp.
And what do you think really? That the open world quests are no longer being played just because people ALSO run dungeons these days ? Dungeons that at least CAN be run these days...
Man ... PLAY the game will you, instead of fabricating things.
Meaning most people are in instances . The expansive game world outside of the citys is going virtually unused now . Most people prefer to do the instances to level up characters now and given the looking for a group system teleports people these days . Perhaps I did'nt make it clear enough in this post . I just assumed people by implication would know what i mean as I said most people use instance play . Very few people quest anymore its far easier to get xp from the bgs and crossserver dungeons and raids . If you try stepping out of the citys and Quest you'll be lucky to come across another player after level 20 . I know this because people have told me and given it as one to the reasons they have left the game .
Might change when Cataclysm comes out for a while but not for long because the emphasis on the game has shifted to instance play .
Thats not fabricated its a fact . The cross server looking for a guild system killed the need or desire to quest . Its a shame really because what made WoW so interesting on pvp servers was the skirmishes that could spring up in the expansive game world . Thats pretty much gone now . Virtually no more world pvp now .
The cross server looking for a group system is what really killed it for me . I dont want to play endless instances but it seams plenty do which is fine but ultimatly very boring and repedative .
The world - as ever - is alive and kicking in WOW.
I don't know what you even mean about people not doing quests in the world.
I level and I meet people all of the time in the open. Please play the game dude before making "assumptions" before a non playing forum public.
Here are a few facts of PRESENT DAY leveling play....
1. It takes sometimes ... 40 minutes before your dungeon pops up ...What do you think people do in the meantime: they level by doing quests, do the gathering, the usual stuff they always did...
2. Have a look at your auction house: where do you think that gathering stuff comes from. From an instance ?
3. I just ran a test yesterday - just to be sure - and I used a BG in the 30's range. Out of 15 people I checked in AB, only 6 had done a couple of dungeons.
Meaning 2 out of 3 were 31 or higher without ever doing a dungeon... Of course people level through questing.
....the only difference is that at least now you CAN do the dungeon quests when you stumble upon them.
Now that's the leveling part: On maxed out levels: everyone still does his/her preferred quests and daily professions and gathering.
Just to be sure Blizzard includes this archeology in CATA, but thats another story.
The days of "only doing dungeons" is NOT for the majority of players these days. That novelty already PASSED months ago.
That's the day to day vision of an actual player btw. Not some "hear say of 6 months ago" when a new mechanism was introduced.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
The world - as ever - is alive and kicking in WOW.
I don't know what you even mean about people not doing quests in the world.
I level and I meet people all of the time in the open. Please play the game dude before making "assumptions" before a non playing forum public.
Here are a few facts of PRESENT DAY leveling play....
1. It takes sometimes ... 40 minutes before your dungeon pops up ...What do you think people do in the meantime: they level by doing quests, do the gathering, the usual stuff they always did...
2. Have a look at your auction house: where do you think that gathering stuff comes from. From an instance ?
3. I just ran a test yesterday - just to be sure - and I used a BG in the 30's range. Out of 15 people I checked in AB, only 6 had done a couple of dungeons.
Meaning 2 out of 3 were 31 or higher without ever doing a dungeon... Of course people level through questing.
....the only difference is that at least now you CAN do the dungeon quests when you stumble upon them.
Now that's the leveling part: On maxed out levels: everyone still does his/her preferred quests and daily professions and gathering.
Just to be sure Blizzard includes this archeology in CATA, but thats another story.
The days of "only doing dungeons" is NOT for the majority of players these days. That novelty already PASSED months ago.
That's the day to day vision of an actual player btw. Not some "hear say of 6 months ago" when a new mechanism was introduced.
Oh rubbish . The majority of people don't quest as much as they used to . The citys are teaming with people but once you start gettting out into the game world theres virtually no one there . Although I don't play anymore I know plenty of people who do and they all say the same thing the expansive game world is going virtually unused . Theres plenty of posts in these forums that say the same thing . Anyway this threads not really about how good or bad WoW is . I did'nt say its a bad game its just the emphasis on instanced play does'nt appeal to me . If that changes I would return myself but while the awful cross server looking for a group system is in place and xp in battlegrounds the game will never really return to what it once was . Still the great thing is that there are plenty of other viable options for those of us that want to try something different in the mmo genre from WoW . Even more next year which looks like it will be the best year yet for mmo releases .
Originally posted by yayitsandy Although I don't play anymore I know plenty of people who do and they all say the same thing the expansive game world is going virtually unused . Theres plenty of posts in these forums that say the same thing .
Yeah and those plenty of threads all say the exact same thing you said: "Im not playing WoW right now but I have a friend that plays and he says the world is empty."
LOTRO is my PvE go - to game. I love it, and find it very fun overall. It's beautiful, polished, etc. Relaxing and social.
AoC has turned around completely. It is the go-to game for me (I PvE 95% time) for a grittier, more tensile experience. More stress, more heartbeats, shorter bursts of play.
Funcom have turned AoC around, I give them props that is extremely rare for a studio to do! Surely you can't disagree with that?
Meh... its a good game in my eyes simply for the fact that it uses lord of the rings lore and characters. Other than that... I dont feel like its that different from othr MMO's Ive played. But its by no means a bad game in my opinion.
I love lord of the rings, and the works of tolkien... I mean.. just look at my avatar! But I dont feel to goo goo ga ga over this game.
Meh... its a good game in my eyes simply for the fact that it uses lord of the rings lore and characters. Other than that... I dont feel like its that different from othr MMO's Ive played. But its by no means a bad game in my opinion.
I love lord of the rings, and the works of tolkien... I mean.. just look at my avatar! But I dont feel to goo goo ga ga over this game.
I totally agree its all objective at the end of the day . I was'nt too sure about lotro untill I progressed with it a bit . Its not an a game that offers instant gratification like WoW . For people who are bored with WoW which is what this threads about . Its one of the best choices of an mmo to play . I don't think you have to be a Tolkien fan to play it just as you don't have to have played Dungeons and Dragons to appreciate DDO .
LotRO is a solid game, and if I had to choose between all the lesser evil's of new age MMOs, LotRO would be it, but man was it such a HUGE dissapointment for all of those who were following its development being lied to that it was a sandbox game, and seeing just how many times they've slapped the backround story/lore across the face.
As for the topic of the thread, WoW to LotRO, well if you're bored with one, you'll likely be bored with the other, because they are almost identical.
Although I don't play anymore I know plenty of people who do and they all say the same thing the expansive game world is going virtually unused . Theres plenty of posts in these forums that say the same thing .
Yeah and those plenty of threads all say the exact same thing you said:
"Im not playing WoW right now but I have a friend that plays and he says the world is empty."
Anecdotal evidence is empirical.
Have Blizzard given any real insentives to return to questing while leveling over doing instances ?
If not I very much doubt many players would take the more difficult option of leveling over the easier one . You don't need anecdotal evidence you just need a little common sence and understanding of human nature .
Its something I hope Blizzard deals with in the coming xpac . Not short term but long term getting people out of the instance-centric rut .
I think the problem is any mmo has to always move forward and a developer can't please everyone .Blizzard did the smart thing and identified its target audiance . The instances are pretty impressive and the questing can be a little grindy at times . Its less immesive now than it once was but the fun factor for those with less time to play has increased .
Don't make me laugh... well, we don't have the same sense for quality, apparently
Don't pretend your notion of "quality" is nothing more than your opinion.
You obviously may not think so, but by any objective standard, FFXI is one of the most successful MMO's of all time. It doesn't mean it's WoW, but having a consistent 400-500k Subscriber base for 7 years = success.
In the end it doesn't matter. I played the three games i mentioned and I formed my opinion accordingly. Just because you don't share my view of the games doesn't diminish my love/affection/respect for FFXI.
But, to each his own.
good for you! I like that you are not letting anyone intimidate you!
I've never played FFXI and I'm was a complete noob to any sort of games until the open beta of LOTRO. I signed up for LOTRO simply because I'm a Tolkien fan and lover of the lore of LOTR. I think you'll find that many LOTRO players are quite similar to me.
I can't pass judgement on other games because the only other "mmo" I played (for like an hour) was Everquest, which, after playing LOTRO, sucked...sorry Everquest lovers.
In the end, it really all is personal opinion that really matters. Play what you enjoy, and don't worry what other people may think. I don't know about anyone else, but I play to have fun and because it's just a game, I just don't take it that serious.
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If I was you, I'd stop trying to make up imaginary things to make LOTRO look better and Wow look bad. Many here played both games and know exactly what the reality is, and you will only display yourself as a fool with that way of posting.
Respect, walk
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I have two L80 characters and 1 L77.
I gave up WoW four months ago.
There was much I really, really enjoyed about WoW. I still think it's one of the very best games out there.
There were three things I didn't like:
1/. The community
Juvenile, aggressive and nasty. I tried three different servers and found exactly the same kind of people each time so, in the end, I stopped paying Blizz real money to move my toons to another server, and just stuck with the one I was on. These were Euro servers. I hear that the communities on US servers are better but because Blizz won't let you choose US servers without buying another version of their game from a US retailer, I don't know about that.
2/. Crafting and the Economy
Crafting is a horrible, expensive time-sink. And, at the end of it, most professions have nothing they can sell on a regular basis to make any kind of regular income.
3/. The End Game
I do accept that WoW has thought long and hard about the end game and tried to offer a lot of variety:
- Raids: I found these repetitive and time-consuming. Euthger you join a PUG which has a low chance of completion or you must join a guild which demands you play the game on a semi-professional basis. I know this sounds crazy but I wish there was some way Blizz could invent one-man or two/three/five man 'raids'.
- Arenas: I hated these. It's a completely different kind of game from the rest of WoW. A twitch-based, lolcoptering, arcade game that I couldn't get into.
- BGs: I kind of enjoyed these since they offered a different kind of PVP. However, there was a sameness to them and they were predictable - if you got first strike, you almost always won; two players would always beat one player, three players would always beat two...; if you died, you ended up in a graveyard, waited thirty seconds and then went in again...
For these three reasons, I unsubscribed and won't come back again till Catalclysm (just to enjoy the new landscapes and PVE). I am not currently playing another MMO though I did try Lotro a month ago. While I know many people love it, I personally found it a little tame.
Meaning most people are in instances . The expansive game world outside of the citys is going virtually unused now . Most people prefer to do the instances to level up characters now and given the looking for a group system teleports people these days . Perhaps I did'nt make it clear enough in this post . I just assumed people by implication would know what i mean as I said most people use instance play . Very few people quest anymore its far easier to get xp from the bgs and crossserver dungeons and raids . If you try stepping out of the citys and Quest you'll be lucky to come across another player after level 20 . I know this because people have told me and given it as one to the reasons they have left the game .
Might change when Cataclysm comes out for a while but not for long because the emphasis on the game has shifted to instance play .
Thats not fabricated its a fact . The cross server looking for a guild system killed the need or desire to quest . Its a shame really because what made WoW so interesting on pvp servers was the skirmishes that could spring up in the expansive game world . Thats pretty much gone now . Virtually no more world pvp now .
The cross server looking for a group system is what really killed it for me . I dont want to play endless instances but it seams plenty do which is fine but ultimatly very boring and repedative .
The world - as ever - is alive and kicking in WOW.
I don't know what you even mean about people not doing quests in the world.
I level and I meet people all of the time in the open. Please play the game dude before making "assumptions" before a non playing forum public.
Here are a few facts of PRESENT DAY leveling play....
1. It takes sometimes ... 40 minutes before your dungeon pops up ...What do you think people do in the meantime: they level by doing quests, do the gathering, the usual stuff they always did...
2. Have a look at your auction house: where do you think that gathering stuff comes from. From an instance ?
3. I just ran a test yesterday - just to be sure - and I used a BG in the 30's range. Out of 15 people I checked in AB, only 6 had done a couple of dungeons.
Meaning 2 out of 3 were 31 or higher without ever doing a dungeon... Of course people level through questing.
....the only difference is that at least now you CAN do the dungeon quests when you stumble upon them.
Now that's the leveling part: On maxed out levels: everyone still does his/her preferred quests and daily professions and gathering.
Just to be sure Blizzard includes this archeology in CATA, but thats another story.
The days of "only doing dungeons" is NOT for the majority of players these days. That novelty already PASSED months ago.
That's the day to day vision of an actual player btw. Not some "hear say of 6 months ago" when a new mechanism was introduced.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Oh rubbish . The majority of people don't quest as much as they used to . The citys are teaming with people but once you start gettting out into the game world theres virtually no one there . Although I don't play anymore I know plenty of people who do and they all say the same thing the expansive game world is going virtually unused . Theres plenty of posts in these forums that say the same thing . Anyway this threads not really about how good or bad WoW is . I did'nt say its a bad game its just the emphasis on instanced play does'nt appeal to me . If that changes I would return myself but while the awful cross server looking for a group system is in place and xp in battlegrounds the game will never really return to what it once was . Still the great thing is that there are plenty of other viable options for those of us that want to try something different in the mmo genre from WoW . Even more next year which looks like it will be the best year yet for mmo releases .
"Im not playing WoW right now but I have a friend that plays and he says the world is empty."
Anecdotal evidence is empirical.
LOTRO is my PvE go - to game. I love it, and find it very fun overall. It's beautiful, polished, etc. Relaxing and social.
AoC has turned around completely. It is the go-to game for me (I PvE 95% time) for a grittier, more tensile experience. More stress, more heartbeats, shorter bursts of play.
Funcom have turned AoC around, I give them props that is extremely rare for a studio to do! Surely you can't disagree with that?
I wouldnt play Lord of the rings if it was the last game on earth. Its boring as crap and the playability is dull.
Meh... its a good game in my eyes simply for the fact that it uses lord of the rings lore and characters. Other than that... I dont feel like its that different from othr MMO's Ive played. But its by no means a bad game in my opinion.
I love lord of the rings, and the works of tolkien... I mean.. just look at my avatar! But I dont feel to goo goo ga ga over this game.
I totally agree its all objective at the end of the day . I was'nt too sure about lotro untill I progressed with it a bit . Its not an a game that offers instant gratification like WoW . For people who are bored with WoW which is what this threads about . Its one of the best choices of an mmo to play . I don't think you have to be a Tolkien fan to play it just as you don't have to have played Dungeons and Dragons to appreciate DDO .
LotRO is a solid game, and if I had to choose between all the lesser evil's of new age MMOs, LotRO would be it, but man was it such a HUGE dissapointment for all of those who were following its development being lied to that it was a sandbox game, and seeing just how many times they've slapped the backround story/lore across the face.
As for the topic of the thread, WoW to LotRO, well if you're bored with one, you'll likely be bored with the other, because they are almost identical.
I flip between Wow and Lotro, and everytime I return I am never bored. It's like saying being bored of BF 2 means Cod will be just as boring.
Make it so...
Except CoD and BF2 are entirely differently styled shooters within the same genre.
WoW and LotRO are exactly the same style MMOs in the same genre. Quest based advancement level/gear grinder PvE MMOs.
Have Blizzard given any real insentives to return to questing while leveling over doing instances ?
If not I very much doubt many players would take the more difficult option of leveling over the easier one . You don't need anecdotal evidence you just need a little common sence and understanding of human nature .
Its something I hope Blizzard deals with in the coming xpac . Not short term but long term getting people out of the instance-centric rut .
I think the problem is any mmo has to always move forward and a developer can't please everyone .Blizzard did the smart thing and identified its target audiance . The instances are pretty impressive and the questing can be a little grindy at times . Its less immesive now than it once was but the fun factor for those with less time to play has increased .
Would This game be as good if not for the IP? Out of curiosity. I am not being a hater, just curious what you all think.
No, not at all.
good for you! I like that you are not letting anyone intimidate you!
I've never played FFXI and I'm was a complete noob to any sort of games until the open beta of LOTRO. I signed up for LOTRO simply because I'm a Tolkien fan and lover of the lore of LOTR. I think you'll find that many LOTRO players are quite similar to me.
I can't pass judgement on other games because the only other "mmo" I played (for like an hour) was Everquest, which, after playing LOTRO, sucked...sorry Everquest lovers.
In the end, it really all is personal opinion that really matters. Play what you enjoy, and don't worry what other people may think. I don't know about anyone else, but I play to have fun and because it's just a game, I just don't take it that serious.
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I think it would be better. I honestly think the IP seems to hold the game and the developers back.
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