Someone is successful in a game, quick, we must say he has no life or fails so hard in life he can afford to play a game with more than the average dedication.
Congratulations, if there is someone that can point at Blizzard and say their game lacks content and development is too slow, that's him
Honestly it isn't all that hard to get most of the achievements. I was a casual player, but when achievements were introduced I discovered I found them really fun. So instead of running the same instances 500 times in a row I focused on achievements.
My problem was that I was not a raider, was only casual so couldn't get any of the raiding achievements (which make up a MASSIVE chunk). If you actually look at the achievements there would be a hell of a lot of people with the vast majority of non-raiding achievements completed.
This guy honestly does not need to have a time played that much bigger than any other hardcore MMO players. It is just that he is in a good guild and focused his time a little more - you know instead of standing around in a city stroking his epeen or comparing chuck norris jokes for hours on end.
I'm assuming he's the first person to do it, so congrats to him. Sorta like the guy that hit the gold cap. The point is, what seems trivial to some means much more to others. I personally think climbing Mount Everest would be stupid and a waste of time, but I'd never call someone out about it.
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Just so everyone knows, that is a quote from the WoW episode of Southpark. Great episode and the guy with no life is probably similar to this guy that just beat WoW.
You are totally wrong because the fat wow player from the south park episode stopped playing wow once he got killed. He stand up off his chair finally and probably did something else.
You guys should simply not give props to the guy who beat wow because you dont help him that way. Games are games and this is what that guy cant keep in mind. If you guys like what he did, you should check some doccumentary on youtube about wow players.
mmorpg's to me count as any game. Only difference, since i pay an mmorpg 15$ each months, i only currently play one game and nothing else. I dont even watch TV anymore, i stay on the computer. Still, i got a balance. I still go to Gym, wont give up with school and my job, i check my friends on daily basis. I dont have a girl friend, but i do get some Bitches (You see the picture.)
Anyway, the real reason i am posting all this is because wow had ruined the life of some of my friends. We used to play wow togheter, we started togheter and one day, some of them decided to give up with school only to play wow even more. Some of them give up with their job to play wow even more. All of them became fat, lazy and started to have some desease. Once i stopped playing wow, they could not connect socially with me anymore so i had to get some new friends.
What makes this so different from climbing to the top of Mount Everest, building toothpick structures or restoring old cars? We are all here to do what we want with our lives, every second is wasted in reality there are no real accomplishments in life, we are all born and we will all eventually die. Whatever you do everyday, I am sure it could be considered having no life, I assume most of you are jealous or just hateful out of spite, regardless of the fact he's probably accomplished something 11 million other people would like too. It doesnt matter what others think of what you do in life, only your own thoughts and feelings should matter.
also if you play and MMO or any game you are already a hypocrite, you cant critizes someone for this if you too are on the same path as them. What if he quits playing today and his toon has 150 days played, in a year from now your toon hits 150 days played, are you not equal or on the same level as him? I can't believe how selfish and stupid interneters are.
Lasting value vs. waste of time.
If you think that ten years later he's going to think beating all the achievements in WoW up to Wrath is a crowning achievement in his life, you are delusional. Go find this guy and ask him what his /played time is.
I guarentee you it's more hours than it takes to become a lawyer/doctor, etc. I BET YOU that he is niether of those things because to achieve things in life that MATTER could never be done by someone who's done every achievement in WoW.
What happens when the next expansion comes out and he doesn't finish all the achievements... is his WoW achievement with an asterisk? Guess what, it doesn't matter. This "achievement" is a house of cards and means nothing in the real world.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE LOVE MMO's. Iv'e been playing for the last 9 years. But guess what, I balance it around my life. For someone to achieve everything in WoW means he sacrificed stuff that matters. Having played WoW, I know the time it takes to accomplish that stuff, and it's not an hour a night. It's 5-6 hours a night for YEARS AND YEARS.
What a complete and utter waste of human potential and energy.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE LOVE MMO's. Iv'e been playing for the last 9 years. But guess what, I balance it around my life. For someone to achieve everything in WoW means he sacrificed stuff that matters. Having played WoW, I know the time it takes to accomplish that stuff, and it's not an hour a night. It's 5-6 hours a night for YEARS AND YEARS.
What a complete and utter waste of human potential and energy.
I know people who still play WoW now who after 5 years of playing still do not have one max level character.
They spend vast amounts of their time simply pissing around in low level areas on alts, chatting and doing stuff like stealthing through as many cities as they can. You know all those things that most people call "wasting time" because they are not rushing to max level to raid and attempt to have others stroke their epeen.
All his achievements mean is that he spent his time more focused - it honestly does not take that long to get 90% of these achievements. Not many people have come close to what he has done because contrary to popular belief some things in WoW are actually hard to achieve - he has done the hardest achievements in both PvE and PvP.
People do a hell of a lot of things for themselves, to make themselves happy and to have fun. I really find it quite sad that so many people look down on others who enjoy different things. Hell I once had someone look at my library and actually say "you have read all those books? What a waste of time!", whereas I always thought that spending 6 nights a week drinking yourself to oblivion so you could hardly remember what has happened for half of your life was a waste of time. But each to their own.
Here's a question revolving around the irony of this whole achievements system:
Achievements have proven to be a measuring stick for many. How good you are supposed to be is measured at a glance based on your 'completion' rating that are achievements. But yet, an individual who is the most 'measured' is viewed with scorn, and rightfully so.
What good is a measuring stick, what purpose does it truly serve, if the 'ultimate' is viewed as beyond meaningless: it's viewed as 'sad' or 'laughable'?
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
Here's a question revolving around the irony of this whole achievements system:
Achievements have proven to be a measuring stick for many. How good you are supposed to be is measured at a glance based on your 'completion' rating that are achievements. But yet, an individual who is the most 'measured' is viewed with scorn, and rightfully so.
What good is a measuring stick, what purpose does it truly serve, if the 'ultimate' is viewed as beyond meaningless: it's viewed as 'sad' or 'laughable'?
You are confused. Not everyone sees things in the same way. It is quite black and white for most peopleand can be broken into a couple of groups:
Group 1: Achievements good = this guy is good
Group 2: Achievements bad = this guy is a loser
Of course you can also get:
Group 3: Achievements good = this guy is a loser, but this is simply due to jealousy and this group really is the only sad one.
Here's a question revolving around the irony of this whole achievements system:
Achievements have proven to be a measuring stick for many. How good you are supposed to be is measured at a glance based on your 'completion' rating that are achievements. But yet, an individual who is the most 'measured' is viewed with scorn, and rightfully so.
What good is a measuring stick, what purpose does it truly serve, if the 'ultimate' is viewed as beyond meaningless: it's viewed as 'sad' or 'laughable'?
You are confused. Not everyone sees things in the same way. It is quite black and white for most peopleand can be broken into a couple of groups:
Group 1: Achievements good = this guy is good
Group 2: Achievements bad = this guy is a loser
Of course you can also get:
Group 3: Achievements good = this guy is a loser, but this is simply due to jealousy and this group really is the only sad one.
This is a loaded assumption that I can state with 100% clarity is incorrect. I'm more keyed in on mechanic-implications than most AAA devs.
Obviously, not everyone sees things the same way. That almost goes without saying. But one commonly expressed view in this thread is that the guy who got *all* the achievements is a no-lifer. This holds negative connotations.
Before gearscore, there was achievement linking. Still is a common practice depending on where you go.
The irony being: a measuring stick is being used, where the further up the ladder you go, the more it's frowned upon. But yet, you still need to 'have a bunch' of achievements, to be viewed as 'viable' by the PUG populace at large.
The question stands.
Edit: highlight.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
This is a loaded assumption that I can state with 100% clarity is incorrect. I'm more keyed in on mechanic-implications than most AAA devs.
Obviously, not everyone sees things the same way. That almost goes without saying. But one commonly expressed view in this thread is that the guy who got *all* the achievements is a no-lifer. This holds negative connotations.
Before gearscore, there was achievement linking. Still is a common practice depending on where you go.
The irony being: a measuring stick is being used, where the further up the ladder you go, the more it's frowned upon. But yet, you still need to 'have a bunch' of achievements, to be viewed as 'viable' by the PUG populace at large.
The question stands.
Yeah but your assumption is that the same people who are using achievements as a measuring stick are the same people who are now denouncing this guy. They are not.
If there is one person here who uses achievements as some kind of guide of skill and ALSO feels that this guy is a loser then please let them come forward. I personally don't think there is a single one.
Anyway, the real reason i am posting all this is because wow had ruined the life of some of my friends. We used to play wow togheter, we started togheter and one day, some of them decided to give up with school only to play wow even more. Some of them give up with their job to play wow even more. All of them became fat, lazy and started to have some desease. Once i stopped playing wow, they could not connect socially with me anymore so i had to get some new friends.
I hate to say it but WoW did not ruin anyone's life. Your friends ruined there own lives.
We all have freedom of choice in most situations. That your friends decided to give up on thier livelyhood or their education really more reflects on issues they have.
I have no problems with players setting huge goals and achieving them. Good for them. But you can never do such a thing and ignore your actual life, your actual well being.
This goes for out of game activities as well. Whether it is the aforementioned climbin mt. everest or showing prized show dogs.
to that point, I had a friend who got heavily into Aikido. He later told me that the more you got into it the more you were expected to go to these weekend retreats, to step it up. He told me that he had thrown himself so deeply into the art that he was ruining his marriage.
So he stopped. Marriage got right back on track and he is a happy man.
People have to take ownership of their own issues and set themselves right. And if they can't do this then they owe it to themselves to get help.
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Awesome how stupid some people are. Just because you don't know how to play or aren't willing to do this achievement crap another one who does, has no life? Thats the reason why I HATE almost 90 % of the new Wow community.
btw. you can't beat a MMO(rpg).
Awesome how some people can't understand that in order to do what this guy did he likely had to play about 12+ hours a day for a very long period time, which does in fact translate to having no real life.
But if an MMPRPG can be beat, this guy's done it.
And I'm from the old WOW community.
Yes he did take a long period of time, but that dosent mean he needs to play 12 hours per day.
How do you know he's not happiily married, good job, children with maids and wife that look after them?
Seems like a lost art here in this forum to wish someone well when they enjoy their game aye?
My friend has been playing 3 hours a day at this since WOTLK launched and he's only half way there. Barely. I don't think you comprehend how hard this is and how much time it consumes. Unless he/she doesn't have a job (which means you should be saving your money and not playing an MMO anyway), it's hard to imagine this person having any time for a social life. Or maybe he/she has the easiest job in the world. But either way, I hope to god it was for the fun of it and not just to show everyone up.
My friend has been playing 3 hours a day at this since WOTLK launched and he's only half way there. Barely. I don't think you comprehend how hard this is and how much time it consumes. Unless he/she doesn't have a job (which means you should be saving your money and not playing an MMO anyway), it's hard to imagine this person having any time for a social life. Or maybe he/she has the easiest job in the world. But either way, I hope to god it was for the fun of it and not just to show everyone up.
So you are trying to compare someone who has played for one year with someone who has played for five. I think there might just be a leeeetle difference in what you can achieve in 4 years.
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Just so everyone knows, that is a quote from the WoW episode of Southpark. Great episode and the guy with no life is probably similar to this guy that just beat WoW.
You are totally wrong because the fat wow player from the south park episode stopped playing wow once he got killed. He stand up off his chair finally and probably did something else.
You guys should simply not give props to the guy who beat wow because you dont help him that way. Games are games and this is what that guy cant keep in mind. If you guys like what he did, you should check some doccumentary on youtube about wow players.
mmorpg's to me count as any game. Only difference, since i pay an mmorpg 15$ each months, i only currently play one game and nothing else. I dont even watch TV anymore, i stay on the computer. Still, i got a balance. I still go to Gym, wont give up with school and my job, i check my friends on daily basis. I dont have a girl friend, but i do get some Bitches (You see the picture.)
Anyway, the real reason i am posting all this is because wow had ruined the life of some of my friends. We used to play wow togheter, we started togheter and one day, some of them decided to give up with school only to play wow even more. Some of them give up with their job to play wow even more. All of them became fat, lazy and started to have some desease. Once i stopped playing wow, they could not connect socially with me anymore so i had to get some new friends.
Ehh? if yor friends have no self control and have such weak will to let video game take over their lives. Whose fault is it? i am sorry but your friends lack of self control and discipline ruined their lives.. not WOW.
Yeah but your assumption is that the same people who are using achievements as a measuring stick are the same people who are now denouncing this guy. They are not.
If there is one person here who uses achievements as some kind of guide of skill and ALSO feels that this guy is a loser then please let them come forward. I personally don't think there is a single one.
Touche. You are correct in that my assumption did assume in this manner.
On a general level, to clarify, the population *at large* uses achievements as measuring sticks. Wether they are subject to, or propogate is irrelivant.
Now, that being said, it is clear that in order to complete all achievements, you're looking at some long nights for years on end chasing pixels. Immediately 'Scarab Lord' comes to mind- hell, most of the feats of strength alone. Clearly, this is unhealthy and is properly deserving of scorn.
Is there not irony in this? That's a rhetoric.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
Yeah but your assumption is that the same people who are using achievements as a measuring stick are the same people who are now denouncing this guy. They are not.
If there is one person here who uses achievements as some kind of guide of skill and ALSO feels that this guy is a loser then please let them come forward. I personally don't think there is a single one.
Touche. You are correct in that my assumption did assume in this manner.
On a general level, to clarify, the population *at large* uses achievements as measuring sticks. Wether they are subject to, or propogate is irrelivant.
Now, that being said, it is clear that in order to complete all achievements, you're looking at some long nights for years on end chasing pixels. Immediately 'Scarab Lord' comes to mind- hell, most of the feats of strength alone. Clearly, this is unhealthy and is properly deserving of scorn.
Is there not irony in this? That's a rhetoric.
Feats of Strength dont count though. It is why there is no maximum for them (eg. 44/44).
This guy has clearly been playing for a very long time, since very close to release I would say. Now I left WoW for almost a year during BC and came back a few months after the release of Wrath. When I logged in I had an achievement score close to 3000 simply from the stuff I had done previously.
Now I am a casual player - an explorer, loved just riding around for ages gathering herbs and mines, loved mucking around in gadgetzan pvping and trying to get away from the guards. I raided very casually but very much liked battlegrounds and world pvp even more.
If someone like me who played only a couple of nights a week could have completed so many achievements simply by mucking around, imagine how easy it is for the hardcore players who raid a lot. You can see from the screenshot that dungeons/raids makes up by far the largest group of achievements. If you are in a good guild (which this guy obviously is) these achievements just fall like rain - you don't even really have to try to do anything other than play the game you always have.
So no, this guy does not have to be a huge fat loser who has no friends and never goes outside and has no life. People really have put no thought into this. It is just huge knee-jerk reactions. Of course he could be, but it's not predestined.
I knew one guy who played about 7 hours a day because he worked at a server farm and had absolutely nothing to do at his job unless a problem occurred. So basically his job was to play WoW. No one knows this guys circumstances is what I am saying.
Yeah but your assumption is that the same people who are using achievements as a measuring stick are the same people who are now denouncing this guy. They are not.
If there is one person here who uses achievements as some kind of guide of skill and ALSO feels that this guy is a loser then please let them come forward. I personally don't think there is a single one.
Touche. You are correct in that my assumption did assume in this manner.
On a general level, to clarify, the population *at large* uses achievements as measuring sticks. Wether they are subject to, or propogate is irrelivant.
Now, that being said, it is clear that in order to complete all achievements, you're looking at some long nights for years on end chasing pixels. Immediately 'Scarab Lord' comes to mind- hell, most of the feats of strength alone. Clearly, this is unhealthy and is properly deserving of scorn.
Is there not irony in this? That's a rhetoric.
Feats of Strength dont count though. It is why there is no maximum for them (eg. 44/44).
This guy has clearly been playing for a very long time, since very close to release I would say. Now I left WoW for almost a year during BC and came back a few months after the release of Wrath. When I logged in I had an achievement score close to 3000 simply from the stuff I had done previously.
Now I am a casual player - an explorer, loved just riding around for ages gathering herbs and mines, loved mucking around in gadgetzan pvping and trying to get away from the guards. I raided very casually but very much liked battlegrounds and world pvp even more.
If someone like me who played only a couple of nights a week could have completed so many achievements simply by mucking around, imagine how easy it is for the hardcore players who raid a lot. You can see from the screenshot that dungeons/raids makes up by far the largest group of achievements. If you are in a good guild (which this guy obviously is) these achievements just fall like rain - you don't even really have to try to do anything other than play the game you always have.
So no, this guy does not have to be a huge fat loser who has no friends and never goes outside and has no life. People really have put no thought into this. It is just huge knee-jerk reactions. Of course he could be, but it's not predestined.
I knew one guy who played about 7 hours a day because he worked at a server farm and had absolutely nothing to do at his job unless a problem occurred. So basically his job was to play WoW. No one knows this guys circumstances is what I am saying.
Apparently we both made false assumptions.
- Me, that Feats of Strength were counted (albeit, to my defense, I guarantee he's got a lot if not all of them, due to the collective nature he has demonstrated).
- You, that achievements are equally easy to obtain the one from the other. As you progress, there is a clear exponential curve. Achievement for killing 50 of the other faction! 100! 500! 1000! 5000! ... the 3000 you claim were 'casual' were the 'casually easy to obtain.
I know for a fact the highest achievement counts when I still played a year ago were from individuals who had played since classic, during bc, and experienced all of WoLK. They would chase down the 'final fifty' achievements for days on end. Knowing this, I can safely dispute that achieving all achievements (play on words!) is not a casual affair. The fact that this max achievement was obtained.... over a year after the concept was launched ingame IS FACT as well, that it wasn't something casual to obtain.
Concerning your pal at the server farm- you're entirely right. I don't know his circumstances, yours, the guy down the street's. But sitting for 7 hours a day, at work or home, is altogether unhealthy in and of itself. There's plenty of medical evidence to support this.
So yes, he did sacrifice social elements to achieve what he achieved, and did so pursuing in an unhealthy manner.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
- Me, that Feats of Strength were counted (albeit, to my defense, I guarantee he's got a lot if not all of them, due to the collective nature he has demonstrated).
- You, that achievements are equally easy to obtain the one from the other. As you progress, there is a clear exponential curve. Achievement for killing 50 of the other faction! 100! 500! 1000! 5000! ... the 3000 you claim were 'casual' were the 'casually easy to obtain.
I know for a fact the highest achievement counts when I still played a year ago were from individuals who had played since classic, during bc, and experienced all of WoLK. They would chase down the 'final fifty' achievements for days on end. Knowing this, I can safely dispute that achieving all achievements (play on words!) is not a casual affair. The fact that this max achievement was obtained.... over a year after the concept was launched ingame IS FACT as well, that it wasn't something casual to obtain.
Concerning your pal at the server farm- you're entirely right. I don't know his circumstances, yours, the guy down the street's. But sitting for 7 hours a day, at work or home, is altogether unhealthy in and of itself. There's plenty of medical evidence to support this.
So yes, he did sacrifice social elements to achieve what he achieved, and did so pursuing in an unhealthy manner.
Hundreds of millions of people around the world sit at a desk for 7 hours a day for work (I am there right now). Just saying.
Sure some achievements are time consuming - some of the fishing ones, the gold looting ones, rare mobs. But when you look at these achievements that are really basically saying "don't play the game features we have implemented just chase these achievements" they are only a tiny handful.
The vast majority are gained through just general gameplay. If you like pvp you will easily gain those time-consuming ones through doing nothing other than playing and having fun (ie. BG reps, number of kills etc).
The vast majority of people are nowhere near completing the achievements due solely to the raid requirements. If you took out the raid achievements then there would be a hell of a lot of people pretty damn close to completing all the others. Now as raiding is at the very core of WoW this is really just saying that if you play WoW as a hardcore player then it should not be very hard to achieve this.
It also becomes inordinately easier to do when you have a good group of supporters helping you out - in other words a great guild. We once gained about 70% of the pvp battleground achievements in a few hours with a premade group. Solo players may chase these for months on end but get a support network and they are some of the easiest to achieve.
But people will always view things differently. People keep mentioning those fantastic times they had in EQ on 18 hour raids! 18 hour raids! Achievements have just become a visual measure of effort imparted into a game. I can guarantee if EQ had the same achievement system there would not be the same kind of mysticism around old EQ players that some think there is today.
Now if this guy had done this and he had only started playing that char with the release of Wrath then I would simply have to say that he was a massive loser. But over the period of 5 years this really isn't all that hard to do for a hardcore player. And there are a lot of hardcore players. They don't necessarily play for 12 hours a day seven days a week but they do play a lot. No one is saying this guy didn't play a lot, he had to.
But the assumption that he played unhealthy amounts is totally unfounded. It is simply not necessary for this to be the case given the 5 year timeframe. The reason why more people have not done this is NOT because of time played it is because of the difficulty that some of the achievements possess.
Honestly there are not many players who will be in a guild good enough to have done all the raiding achievements and also be good enough at PvP to achieve all the arena achievements.
My comments... Huge amount of time, but it is his life to do as he wishes. I see it as no different than people who train 4 years to run an 8 second race in the olympics.
The fact remains though that some achievements are just mind-blowing. Some are so RNG dependant, that it is nearly impossible to get them ( Win AB by 10 points). Some of them just require so much 'useless' time that I can't believe anyone would do them ( Insane in the brain, where you have to raise your rep with factions that were never intended to be raised and offer no reward other than the achievement). And to be able go get the very difficult PVP arena achievements and the very difficult PVE raid achievements is must mind boggling.
And it's not just one RNG or one time-consuming, or one highly skilled pvp/pve acheivement... there are many MANY achievements that fall into each of those groups. I know people who do nothing but try to get the 'salty' title from fishing and have not been able to do it because there are so many RNG achievements under it. I mean, just the sheer amount of fishing this guy had to do is amazing.. then you throw in stuff like having a 2300 arena rating AND clearing 25man ICC on hardmode?? I mean, I am amazed when I see someone with all the fishing achievements.. I almost thnk that person has no life
I almost want to say that there had to be multiple people playing the account 24/7.. but then I saw his entire guild is very close to catching him.. so I don't think that is the case.
My comments... Huge amount of time, but it is his life to do as he wishes. I see it as no different than people who train 4 years to run an 8 second race in the olympics.
There's a fundamental difference here. In your proposed example, it's a question of improving oneself. In his case, he's improving nothing about himself, but pixels on a screen and perhaps his ego.
@ Laz. Because something is socially accepted makes it no more healthy or unhealthy in nature. That is no excuse. Additionally, the angle was 'amount of time' not 'having fun so you don't notice the time'. Petite strawman on that matter.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
I could spend five years counting every single blade of grass in my front lawn. Just because I would enjoy it doesn't automatically make my behavior praise worthy. Spending 5 years doing something doesn't convert a meaningless/worthless activity in a praiseworthy activity.
All of you who think he's going to be proud of this "achievement" 10, 15, 20 years from now are delusional. He's going to wake up one day and say I wasted a HUGE CHUNK of my life. For those of you who disagree on how long this took, start thinking into it and you'll realize that it takes shorter time investment and energy to be come a doctor or a lawyer.
I could spend five years counting every single blade of grass in my front lawn. Just because I would enjoy it doesn't automatically make my behavior praise worthy. Spending 5 years doing something doesn't convert a meaningless/worthless activity in a praiseworthy activity.
All of you who think he's going to be proud of this "achievement" 10, 15, 20 years from now are delusional. He's going to wake up one day and say I wasted a HUGE CHUNK of my life. For those of you who disagree on how long this took, start thinking into it and you'll realize that it takes shorter time investment and energy to be come a doctor or a lawyer.
Why do people think that other people's hobbies are "wastes of time". I really don't understand this. Either people are phenomenally introverted or massively ignorant. I don't know which.
So people who spend hours and hours and hours jetskiing are going to look back on their life in 20 years time and regret all that time they could have spent becoming a doctor instead? Look at all the time people waste on religion! Just sitting in church wasting their lives away. Damn, just imagine they could all be top notch lawyers by now.
People who say that becoming a lawyer or improving yourself are worthwhile pursuits are just brainwashed into believing what is currently fashionable and are staunchly enforcing it on others. Ultimately, as someone said already it is all pointless. You are here for some time and then you are not. Acheievement is subjective and can be anything. Think of the patience, discipline, dedication, passion, focus, organization, ingame social skills, that this guy had to have to achieve that.
In fact I'd like to hire someone like that instead of these mainstream do-gooders chasing socially acceptable achievements with no backbone to pursue what they really want to do.
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Someone is successful in a game, quick, we must say he has no life or fails so hard in life he can afford to play a game with more than the average dedication.
Congratulations, if there is someone that can point at Blizzard and say their game lacks content and development is too slow, that's him
If you've done every end game goal and got all the latest gear, you can pretty much say you've beaten it until the next content patch/expansion.
Honestly it isn't all that hard to get most of the achievements. I was a casual player, but when achievements were introduced I discovered I found them really fun. So instead of running the same instances 500 times in a row I focused on achievements.
My problem was that I was not a raider, was only casual so couldn't get any of the raiding achievements (which make up a MASSIVE chunk). If you actually look at the achievements there would be a hell of a lot of people with the vast majority of non-raiding achievements completed.
This guy honestly does not need to have a time played that much bigger than any other hardcore MMO players. It is just that he is in a good guild and focused his time a little more - you know instead of standing around in a city stroking his epeen or comparing chuck norris jokes for hours on end.
I'm assuming he's the first person to do it, so congrats to him. Sorta like the guy that hit the gold cap. The point is, what seems trivial to some means much more to others. I personally think climbing Mount Everest would be stupid and a waste of time, but I'd never call someone out about it.
You are totally wrong because the fat wow player from the south park episode stopped playing wow once he got killed. He stand up off his chair finally and probably did something else.
You guys should simply not give props to the guy who beat wow because you dont help him that way. Games are games and this is what that guy cant keep in mind. If you guys like what he did, you should check some doccumentary on youtube about wow players.
mmorpg's to me count as any game. Only difference, since i pay an mmorpg 15$ each months, i only currently play one game and nothing else. I dont even watch TV anymore, i stay on the computer. Still, i got a balance. I still go to Gym, wont give up with school and my job, i check my friends on daily basis. I dont have a girl friend, but i do get some Bitches (You see the picture.)
Anyway, the real reason i am posting all this is because wow had ruined the life of some of my friends. We used to play wow togheter, we started togheter and one day, some of them decided to give up with school only to play wow even more. Some of them give up with their job to play wow even more. All of them became fat, lazy and started to have some desease. Once i stopped playing wow, they could not connect socially with me anymore so i had to get some new friends.
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Lasting value vs. waste of time.
If you think that ten years later he's going to think beating all the achievements in WoW up to Wrath is a crowning achievement in his life, you are delusional. Go find this guy and ask him what his /played time is.
I guarentee you it's more hours than it takes to become a lawyer/doctor, etc. I BET YOU that he is niether of those things because to achieve things in life that MATTER could never be done by someone who's done every achievement in WoW.
What happens when the next expansion comes out and he doesn't finish all the achievements... is his WoW achievement with an asterisk? Guess what, it doesn't matter. This "achievement" is a house of cards and means nothing in the real world.
Don't get me wrong. I LOVE LOVE MMO's. Iv'e been playing for the last 9 years. But guess what, I balance it around my life. For someone to achieve everything in WoW means he sacrificed stuff that matters. Having played WoW, I know the time it takes to accomplish that stuff, and it's not an hour a night. It's 5-6 hours a night for YEARS AND YEARS.
What a complete and utter waste of human potential and energy.
I know people who still play WoW now who after 5 years of playing still do not have one max level character.
They spend vast amounts of their time simply pissing around in low level areas on alts, chatting and doing stuff like stealthing through as many cities as they can. You know all those things that most people call "wasting time" because they are not rushing to max level to raid and attempt to have others stroke their epeen.
All his achievements mean is that he spent his time more focused - it honestly does not take that long to get 90% of these achievements. Not many people have come close to what he has done because contrary to popular belief some things in WoW are actually hard to achieve - he has done the hardest achievements in both PvE and PvP.
People do a hell of a lot of things for themselves, to make themselves happy and to have fun. I really find it quite sad that so many people look down on others who enjoy different things. Hell I once had someone look at my library and actually say "you have read all those books? What a waste of time!", whereas I always thought that spending 6 nights a week drinking yourself to oblivion so you could hardly remember what has happened for half of your life was a waste of time. But each to their own.
Here's a question revolving around the irony of this whole achievements system:
Achievements have proven to be a measuring stick for many. How good you are supposed to be is measured at a glance based on your 'completion' rating that are achievements. But yet, an individual who is the most 'measured' is viewed with scorn, and rightfully so.
What good is a measuring stick, what purpose does it truly serve, if the 'ultimate' is viewed as beyond meaningless: it's viewed as 'sad' or 'laughable'?
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
You are confused. Not everyone sees things in the same way. It is quite black and white for most peopleand can be broken into a couple of groups:
Group 1: Achievements good = this guy is good
Group 2: Achievements bad = this guy is a loser
Of course you can also get:
Group 3: Achievements good = this guy is a loser, but this is simply due to jealousy and this group really is the only sad one.
This is a loaded assumption that I can state with 100% clarity is incorrect. I'm more keyed in on mechanic-implications than most AAA devs.
Obviously, not everyone sees things the same way. That almost goes without saying. But one commonly expressed view in this thread is that the guy who got *all* the achievements is a no-lifer. This holds negative connotations.
Before gearscore, there was achievement linking. Still is a common practice depending on where you go.
The irony being: a measuring stick is being used, where the further up the ladder you go, the more it's frowned upon. But yet, you still need to 'have a bunch' of achievements, to be viewed as 'viable' by the PUG populace at large.
The question stands.
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That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
Yeah but your assumption is that the same people who are using achievements as a measuring stick are the same people who are now denouncing this guy. They are not.
If there is one person here who uses achievements as some kind of guide of skill and ALSO feels that this guy is a loser then please let them come forward. I personally don't think there is a single one.
I hate to say it but WoW did not ruin anyone's life. Your friends ruined there own lives.
We all have freedom of choice in most situations. That your friends decided to give up on thier livelyhood or their education really more reflects on issues they have.
I have no problems with players setting huge goals and achieving them. Good for them. But you can never do such a thing and ignore your actual life, your actual well being.
This goes for out of game activities as well. Whether it is the aforementioned climbin mt. everest or showing prized show dogs.
to that point, I had a friend who got heavily into Aikido. He later told me that the more you got into it the more you were expected to go to these weekend retreats, to step it up. He told me that he had thrown himself so deeply into the art that he was ruining his marriage.
So he stopped. Marriage got right back on track and he is a happy man.
People have to take ownership of their own issues and set themselves right. And if they can't do this then they owe it to themselves to get help.
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My friend has been playing 3 hours a day at this since WOTLK launched and he's only half way there. Barely. I don't think you comprehend how hard this is and how much time it consumes. Unless he/she doesn't have a job (which means you should be saving your money and not playing an MMO anyway), it's hard to imagine this person having any time for a social life. Or maybe he/she has the easiest job in the world. But either way, I hope to god it was for the fun of it and not just to show everyone up.
So you are trying to compare someone who has played for one year with someone who has played for five. I think there might just be a leeeetle difference in what you can achieve in 4 years.
Ehh? if yor friends have no self control and have such weak will to let video game take over their lives. Whose fault is it? i am sorry but your friends lack of self control and discipline ruined their lives.. not WOW.
Touche. You are correct in that my assumption did assume in this manner.
On a general level, to clarify, the population *at large* uses achievements as measuring sticks. Wether they are subject to, or propogate is irrelivant.
Now, that being said, it is clear that in order to complete all achievements, you're looking at some long nights for years on end chasing pixels. Immediately 'Scarab Lord' comes to mind- hell, most of the feats of strength alone. Clearly, this is unhealthy and is properly deserving of scorn.
Is there not irony in this? That's a rhetoric.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
Feats of Strength dont count though. It is why there is no maximum for them (eg. 44/44).
This guy has clearly been playing for a very long time, since very close to release I would say. Now I left WoW for almost a year during BC and came back a few months after the release of Wrath. When I logged in I had an achievement score close to 3000 simply from the stuff I had done previously.
Now I am a casual player - an explorer, loved just riding around for ages gathering herbs and mines, loved mucking around in gadgetzan pvping and trying to get away from the guards. I raided very casually but very much liked battlegrounds and world pvp even more.
If someone like me who played only a couple of nights a week could have completed so many achievements simply by mucking around, imagine how easy it is for the hardcore players who raid a lot. You can see from the screenshot that dungeons/raids makes up by far the largest group of achievements. If you are in a good guild (which this guy obviously is) these achievements just fall like rain - you don't even really have to try to do anything other than play the game you always have.
So no, this guy does not have to be a huge fat loser who has no friends and never goes outside and has no life. People really have put no thought into this. It is just huge knee-jerk reactions. Of course he could be, but it's not predestined.
I knew one guy who played about 7 hours a day because he worked at a server farm and had absolutely nothing to do at his job unless a problem occurred. So basically his job was to play WoW. No one knows this guys circumstances is what I am saying.
Apparently we both made false assumptions.
- Me, that Feats of Strength were counted (albeit, to my defense, I guarantee he's got a lot if not all of them, due to the collective nature he has demonstrated).
- You, that achievements are equally easy to obtain the one from the other. As you progress, there is a clear exponential curve. Achievement for killing 50 of the other faction! 100! 500! 1000! 5000! ... the 3000 you claim were 'casual' were the 'casually easy to obtain.
I know for a fact the highest achievement counts when I still played a year ago were from individuals who had played since classic, during bc, and experienced all of WoLK. They would chase down the 'final fifty' achievements for days on end. Knowing this, I can safely dispute that achieving all achievements (play on words!) is not a casual affair. The fact that this max achievement was obtained.... over a year after the concept was launched ingame IS FACT as well, that it wasn't something casual to obtain.
Concerning your pal at the server farm- you're entirely right. I don't know his circumstances, yours, the guy down the street's. But sitting for 7 hours a day, at work or home, is altogether unhealthy in and of itself. There's plenty of medical evidence to support this.
So yes, he did sacrifice social elements to achieve what he achieved, and did so pursuing in an unhealthy manner.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
Hundreds of millions of people around the world sit at a desk for 7 hours a day for work (I am there right now). Just saying.
Sure some achievements are time consuming - some of the fishing ones, the gold looting ones, rare mobs. But when you look at these achievements that are really basically saying "don't play the game features we have implemented just chase these achievements" they are only a tiny handful.
The vast majority are gained through just general gameplay. If you like pvp you will easily gain those time-consuming ones through doing nothing other than playing and having fun (ie. BG reps, number of kills etc).
The vast majority of people are nowhere near completing the achievements due solely to the raid requirements. If you took out the raid achievements then there would be a hell of a lot of people pretty damn close to completing all the others. Now as raiding is at the very core of WoW this is really just saying that if you play WoW as a hardcore player then it should not be very hard to achieve this.
It also becomes inordinately easier to do when you have a good group of supporters helping you out - in other words a great guild. We once gained about 70% of the pvp battleground achievements in a few hours with a premade group. Solo players may chase these for months on end but get a support network and they are some of the easiest to achieve.
But people will always view things differently. People keep mentioning those fantastic times they had in EQ on 18 hour raids! 18 hour raids! Achievements have just become a visual measure of effort imparted into a game. I can guarantee if EQ had the same achievement system there would not be the same kind of mysticism around old EQ players that some think there is today.
Now if this guy had done this and he had only started playing that char with the release of Wrath then I would simply have to say that he was a massive loser. But over the period of 5 years this really isn't all that hard to do for a hardcore player. And there are a lot of hardcore players. They don't necessarily play for 12 hours a day seven days a week but they do play a lot. No one is saying this guy didn't play a lot, he had to.
But the assumption that he played unhealthy amounts is totally unfounded. It is simply not necessary for this to be the case given the 5 year timeframe. The reason why more people have not done this is NOT because of time played it is because of the difficulty that some of the achievements possess.
Honestly there are not many players who will be in a guild good enough to have done all the raiding achievements and also be good enough at PvP to achieve all the arena achievements.
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My comments... Huge amount of time, but it is his life to do as he wishes. I see it as no different than people who train 4 years to run an 8 second race in the olympics.
The fact remains though that some achievements are just mind-blowing. Some are so RNG dependant, that it is nearly impossible to get them ( Win AB by 10 points). Some of them just require so much 'useless' time that I can't believe anyone would do them ( Insane in the brain, where you have to raise your rep with factions that were never intended to be raised and offer no reward other than the achievement). And to be able go get the very difficult PVP arena achievements and the very difficult PVE raid achievements is must mind boggling.
And it's not just one RNG or one time-consuming, or one highly skilled pvp/pve acheivement... there are many MANY achievements that fall into each of those groups. I know people who do nothing but try to get the 'salty' title from fishing and have not been able to do it because there are so many RNG achievements under it. I mean, just the sheer amount of fishing this guy had to do is amazing.. then you throw in stuff like having a 2300 arena rating AND clearing 25man ICC on hardmode?? I mean, I am amazed when I see someone with all the fishing achievements.. I almost thnk that person has no life
I almost want to say that there had to be multiple people playing the account 24/7.. but then I saw his entire guild is very close to catching him.. so I don't think that is the case.
There's a fundamental difference here. In your proposed example, it's a question of improving oneself. In his case, he's improving nothing about himself, but pixels on a screen and perhaps his ego.
@ Laz. Because something is socially accepted makes it no more healthy or unhealthy in nature. That is no excuse. Additionally, the angle was 'amount of time' not 'having fun so you don't notice the time'. Petite strawman on that matter.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
I could spend five years counting every single blade of grass in my front lawn. Just because I would enjoy it doesn't automatically make my behavior praise worthy. Spending 5 years doing something doesn't convert a meaningless/worthless activity in a praiseworthy activity.
All of you who think he's going to be proud of this "achievement" 10, 15, 20 years from now are delusional. He's going to wake up one day and say I wasted a HUGE CHUNK of my life. For those of you who disagree on how long this took, start thinking into it and you'll realize that it takes shorter time investment and energy to be come a doctor or a lawyer.
Why do people think that other people's hobbies are "wastes of time". I really don't understand this. Either people are phenomenally introverted or massively ignorant. I don't know which.
So people who spend hours and hours and hours jetskiing are going to look back on their life in 20 years time and regret all that time they could have spent becoming a doctor instead? Look at all the time people waste on religion! Just sitting in church wasting their lives away. Damn, just imagine they could all be top notch lawyers by now.
Really are people this ignorant?
People who say that becoming a lawyer or improving yourself are worthwhile pursuits are just brainwashed into believing what is currently fashionable and are staunchly enforcing it on others. Ultimately, as someone said already it is all pointless. You are here for some time and then you are not. Acheievement is subjective and can be anything. Think of the patience, discipline, dedication, passion, focus, organization, ingame social skills, that this guy had to have to achieve that.
In fact I'd like to hire someone like that instead of these mainstream do-gooders chasing socially acceptable achievements with no backbone to pursue what they really want to do.