The subscription fee is pretty low so I don't get why people are crying about that. And actually there IS open world PvP. Play on a chaos server. Those were not in beta but will be in live. On a Chaos server you can attack the other faction at any time. However there was def a lot of hype that the game lied about. There was never any 20 vs 20 or 40 vs 40. Not even close. At most you have 8 vs 8. They also said crims could fight other crims. Never happened even once.
Now perhaps they are saving the huge scale fights and crim vs crim for an expansion or somehting but they made it sound like that wold be in the game from the get go and it is NOT.
Well Akuma,
You have to think dude, it was in the beta. There were tons of people who never received a beta key. I have a good chunk sum of people who are coming with me to this game. The majority of them did not receive any beta keys at all, because they were not chosen for it. So maybe that will change your 8v8 ratio.
It won't. I"m saying 8 vs 8 is the MAX for both sides. It was not a not having enough people problem. You simply cannot have more than 8 on each side. Your friends should have been more proactive. I went out and got a beta key. They could have too if they looked around. Some places were giving them out. You just had to go to that site and bam you got a key.
not quick enough I guess. What makes you so sure there won't be more players in a match??
Because i played the beta and saw that the "Teams" in a match only to to 8. Unless there is some super event or somesuch there is NOT 20 vs 20 or 40 vs 40. The only way that could happen so far would be on a Chaos server where you can attack anyone of the opposing faction. There may be some restrictions on who you can attack but if so I wouldn't know.
This game, to start with, is not a MMO. It is most certainly NOT an open world as what the definition means. You only interact with players in the lobby except for the small team based combat modes.
Just another Diablo format in more of a FPS mode.
If you enjoy this type of game, have fun, not criticizing the game, just how the developers seem intent on classifying it.
l2read.
there is no lobby.
you join a district (100 player server) and you're 'matched' against other players as you play.
basically (as an enforcer) it goes like this:
join server
get in your car and cruise around to see if you can witness any criminals commiting crimes
get a backup request, accept it
help the people you're backing up accomplish the mission
group leader accepts a mission, your group starts doing it
the matchmaking competition gives another group a mission to stop your group.
???
win/lose
Oh come on, district, lobby, they are all the same it is a restricted space which has a limit to the number of players. You are arguing semantics here. Again not a MMO, does not meet the massive definition in my book.
Your making yourself look dumb. A district is not the same as a lobby. A lobby you sit there and wait for a match to start. In a district you can do missions, commit crimes/witness crimes, etc before even being matched. So a district is no more a lobby than a continent in WoW. Just because it is instanced doesn't make a difference since zone instancing has existed in MMO's for a long time. AoC had/has it and many others call them channels.
So what is your definition of massive? 200? 300? While at any one time you might only deal with 100 people but there are up to 100k to interact with on that server. Is 100k not massive? The 100 person limits are for stability, lag, and keeping player graphics load down. I've yet to play an MMO where 100+ players hasn't caused lag, crashes, slide shows, etc. So if the servers can't handle 1000 and your computer can't handle 1000 then whats the point of being massive?
This game is full of grey area definitions. Do you go by the district population of 100 or the server population of 100k? If you say the district then you need to go by the smaller zones in say WoW which rarely go over 100 yet it's an MMO. The world isn't "open" as you can drive from one district to the next but there are very few MMO's that don't utilize zones with loading screens, even WoW isn't open world by that definition. Since there are copies of the same district that again casts grey shadows since MMO's have utilized this since almost the start.
Seeing as the game servers have the potential to hold 100k, I'd say it's massive, it's certainly multiplayer and online. So yeah it is an MMOFPS.
who cares if it doesnt meet your definition of an MMO, its a cool game, if you dont like the game go log onto your warcraft account and pretend youre not playing in instances also
Honestly I wasn't very impressed, if you take away the character customization all it really seems to be is GTA multiplayer which you can do for free and the visuals are better...
I really liked the customization level of the game though I will give it that.
not quick enough I guess. What makes you so sure there won't be more players in a match??
Because i played the beta and saw that the "Teams" in a match only to to 8. Unless there is some super event or somesuch there is NOT 20 vs 20 or 40 vs 40. The only way that could happen so far would be on a Chaos server where you can attack anyone of the opposing faction. There may be some restrictions on who you can attack but if so I wouldn't know.
You are incorrect, things can esscalate more than you apparently participaed in. You didn't see it, dosnt make it not true.
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I don't see why there is so much hate. APB is fun as long as you like Grand Theft Auto type games.
To all the people who complain about the lack of "RPG": An RPG is defined as a Role Playing Game. You are playing the role of a Criminal or an Enforcer. You design an avatar. You unlock upgrades and weapons as you level-up. (Yes there are levels in the game)
APB is an RPG regardless what the company says and what you believe.
To all the people complaining about "OMGAR not a FPS!": No the game isn't a First Person Shooter. It's a Third Person Shooter, much like Grand Theft Auto is. The combat in my opinion was fun. The various types of guns add alot of variety to encounters and this game weighs alot on skill as opposed to better gear, unlike WoW and many other MMORPGS.
To all the people complaining about the monthly costs: $7 gets you 20 hours of play time. $10 gets you a month. They have an ingame currency that you can sell your designs and creations for, which you can in turn use to buy game time. All of the customization stuff is free and I found it to be much more similar to Photoshop then MSPaint. Personally I feel the pricing is incredibly reasonable.
Also by "All the customization stuff is free" The Social district is free as well as you get 50 hours of gametime with the purchase. Honestly I don't have 50 hours in a month to devote to a single game so that will probably last me a while.
To everyone complaining about it not being Massively Multiplayer: I don't know what kind of experiences you have had with your gaming but in every other 'MMO" I've played I run into one other person once in a blue moon. Unless I'm sitting inside a city (Which would be the equivelant of the Social District). When I was playing the beta there were maybe 60 people on and your couldn't throw a rock without hitting another player. There was always something going on. This game felt more populated then WoW and LOTRO ever have. Even in CoX and CO I have rarely seen so many people in a single area.
This game is well worth checking out. Maybe you would prefer something where you can rely on the fact that you have all the time in the world to harvest the best gear inorder to have an upper hand in a conflict. Hoever for gamers like me who prefer to match skill against one another, APB is fantastic.
Get off your damned High Horses and give the game a try before you condem it as 'Not worth the money'
Call me a "Fanboi" if you want. I will gladly take that title for this game. The developers are doing something new and different and they should be praised for not pumping out another Ultima clone.
I don't see why there is so much hate. APB is fun as long as you like Grand Theft Auto type games.
To all the people who complain about the lack of "RPG": An RPG is defined as a Role Playing Game. You are playing the role of a Criminal or an Enforcer. You design an avatar. You unlock upgrades and weapons as you level-up. (Yes there are levels in the game)
APB is an RPG regardless what the company says and what you believe.
To all the people complaining about "OMGAR not a FPS!": No the game isn't a First Person Shooter. It's a Third Person Shooter, much like Grand Theft Auto is. The combat in my opinion was fun. The various types of guns add alot of variety to encounters and this game weighs alot on skill as opposed to better gear, unlike WoW and many other MMORPGS.
To all the people complaining about the monthly costs: $7 gets you 20 hours of play time. $10 gets you a month. They have an ingame currency that you can sell your designs and creations for, which you can in turn use to buy game time. All of the customization stuff is free and I found it to be much more similar to Photoshop then MSPaint. Personally I feel the pricing is incredibly reasonable.
Also by "All the customization stuff is free" The Social district is free as well as you get 50 hours of gametime with the purchase. Honestly I don't have 50 hours in a month to devote to a single game so that will probably last me a while.
To everyone complaining about it not being Massively Multiplayer: I don't know what kind of experiences you have had with your gaming but in every other 'MMO" I've played I run into one other person once in a blue moon. Unless I'm sitting inside a city (Which would be the equivelant of the Social District). When I was playing the beta there were maybe 60 people on and your couldn't throw a rock without hitting another player. There was always something going on. This game felt more populated then WoW and LOTRO ever have. Even in CoX and CO I have rarely seen so many people in a single area.
This game is well worth checking out. Maybe you would prefer something where you can rely on the fact that you have all the time in the world to harvest the best gear inorder to have an upper hand in a conflict. Hoever for gamers like me who prefer to match skill against one another, APB is fantastic.
Get off your damned High Horses and give the game a try before you condem it as 'Not worth the money'
Call me a "Fanboi" if you want. I will gladly take that title for this game. The developers are doing something new and different and they should be praised for not pumping out another Ultima clone.
Had to lol at the green part first, till i saw that you played COX and CO, which explained my why you dont know whats MMO is, otherwise you wouldnt state this way.
Yep you are a fanboy. Its ok. Every game got its own fanboys.
Still i dont see reason to make a sub fee for this game, as it doesnt offer enough. Its like BFBC 2 would demand aswell sub fee. A lobby with max 100 person doesnt justify a sub fee for game where max fights are 8 vs 8 arena ....
Just my opinion. Like or dont like it doesnt matter.
I don't see why there is so much hate. APB is fun as long as you like Grand Theft Auto type games.
To all the people who complain about the lack of "RPG": An RPG is defined as a Role Playing Game. You are playing the role of a Criminal or an Enforcer. You design an avatar. You unlock upgrades and weapons as you level-up. (Yes there are levels in the game)
APB is an RPG regardless what the company says and what you believe.
To all the people complaining about "OMGAR not a FPS!": No the game isn't a First Person Shooter. It's a Third Person Shooter, much like Grand Theft Auto is. The combat in my opinion was fun. The various types of guns add alot of variety to encounters and this game weighs alot on skill as opposed to better gear, unlike WoW and many other MMORPGS.
To all the people complaining about the monthly costs: $7 gets you 20 hours of play time. $10 gets you a month. They have an ingame currency that you can sell your designs and creations for, which you can in turn use to buy game time. All of the customization stuff is free and I found it to be much more similar to Photoshop then MSPaint. Personally I feel the pricing is incredibly reasonable.
Also by "All the customization stuff is free" The Social district is free as well as you get 50 hours of gametime with the purchase. Honestly I don't have 50 hours in a month to devote to a single game so that will probably last me a while.
To everyone complaining about it not being Massively Multiplayer: I don't know what kind of experiences you have had with your gaming but in every other 'MMO" I've played I run into one other person once in a blue moon. Unless I'm sitting inside a city (Which would be the equivelant of the Social District). When I was playing the beta there were maybe 60 people on and your couldn't throw a rock without hitting another player. There was always something going on. This game felt more populated then WoW and LOTRO ever have. Even in CoX and CO I have rarely seen so many people in a single area.
This game is well worth checking out. Maybe you would prefer something where you can rely on the fact that you have all the time in the world to harvest the best gear inorder to have an upper hand in a conflict. Hoever for gamers like me who prefer to match skill against one another, APB is fantastic.
Get off your damned High Horses and give the game a try before you condem it as 'Not worth the money'
Call me a "Fanboi" if you want. I will gladly take that title for this game. The developers are doing something new and different and they should be praised for not pumping out another Ultima clone.
Had to lol at the green part first, till i saw that you played COX and CO, which explained my why you dont know whats MMO is, otherwise you wouldnt state this way.
Yep you are a fanboy. Its ok. Every game got its own fanboys.
Still i dont see reason to make a sub fee for this game, as it doesnt offer enough. Its like BFBC 2 would demand aswell sub fee. A lobby with max 100 person doesnt justify a sub fee for game where max fights are 8 vs 8 arena ....
Just my opinion. Like or dont like it doesnt matter.
I don't see why there is so much hate. APB is fun as long as you like Grand Theft Auto type games.
To all the people who complain about the lack of "RPG": An RPG is defined as a Role Playing Game. You are playing the role of a Criminal or an Enforcer. You design an avatar. You unlock upgrades and weapons as you level-up. (Yes there are levels in the game)
APB is an RPG regardless what the company says and what you believe.
To all the people complaining about "OMGAR not a FPS!": No the game isn't a First Person Shooter. It's a Third Person Shooter, much like Grand Theft Auto is. The combat in my opinion was fun. The various types of guns add alot of variety to encounters and this game weighs alot on skill as opposed to better gear, unlike WoW and many other MMORPGS.
To all the people complaining about the monthly costs: $7 gets you 20 hours of play time. $10 gets you a month. They have an ingame currency that you can sell your designs and creations for, which you can in turn use to buy game time. All of the customization stuff is free and I found it to be much more similar to Photoshop then MSPaint. Personally I feel the pricing is incredibly reasonable.
Also by "All the customization stuff is free" The Social district is free as well as you get 50 hours of gametime with the purchase. Honestly I don't have 50 hours in a month to devote to a single game so that will probably last me a while.
To everyone complaining about it not being Massively Multiplayer: I don't know what kind of experiences you have had with your gaming but in every other 'MMO" I've played I run into one other person once in a blue moon. Unless I'm sitting inside a city (Which would be the equivelant of the Social District). When I was playing the beta there were maybe 60 people on and your couldn't throw a rock without hitting another player. There was always something going on. This game felt more populated then WoW and LOTRO ever have. Even in CoX and CO I have rarely seen so many people in a single area.
This game is well worth checking out. Maybe you would prefer something where you can rely on the fact that you have all the time in the world to harvest the best gear inorder to have an upper hand in a conflict. Hoever for gamers like me who prefer to match skill against one another, APB is fantastic.
Get off your damned High Horses and give the game a try before you condem it as 'Not worth the money'
Call me a "Fanboi" if you want. I will gladly take that title for this game. The developers are doing something new and different and they should be praised for not pumping out another Ultima clone.
Had to lol at the green part first, till i saw that you played COX and CO, which explained my why you dont know whats MMO is, otherwise you wouldnt state this way.
Yep you are a fanboy. Its ok. Every game got its own fanboys.
Still i dont see reason to make a sub fee for this game, as it doesnt offer enough. Its like BFBC 2 would demand aswell sub fee. A lobby with max 100 person doesnt justify a sub fee for game where max fights are 8 vs 8 arena ....
Just my opinion. Like or dont like it doesnt matter.
Show me 100 people in the same place at the same time in WoW or LOTRO. Actually, show me 100 people in the same place at the same time in WoW or LOTRO that are actually participating in something.
Let me put this game in terms of WoW for you. You're rolling on your Blood Elf Palladin (Don't lie we know you have one.) with your group going to go kill some boss in its -Instanced- dungeon. Suddenly 30 Alliance players fly in there and start killing off your teammates while you're trying to kill the boss. You send a guild message and then some of your guildies roll in to save your sorry ass. The Alliance guys call in some of their buds, and all of a sudden its 50v50 while your trying to fight the boss.
It's just my opinion, but your misinformed. Do some homework before you try to establish an opinion. You just come off looking like an ass-hat otherwise.
Also CoX and CO are awesome games. If they weren't they wouldn't still be around.
Xianthos is just a hater. Ignore him. Who spends this much time writing about a game he says isn't worth the time? A hater. Dude, get a life real or online and quit all your complaining and bickering. You don't like APB fine, thats why there r so many studios making so many types of games. Find one you do like ad go play it. PLZ ! I just question the motives of someone sooooooo devoted to bagging on this game and anyone who seems to like it. Does it make you feel big type, type, typing from your mom's basement?
exo why the fuck dont you just shut up and go to another forum instead of trolling by telling off everyone who hates the game when they post the truths about this BS game. Everyone has a right to hate just as you have the right to troll so stfu if all you are gonna say is that haters are losers.
APB was totally advertised as things its not. And its the most overpriced piece of noobcake on the face of the earth, not just the morpg market, even whores dont cost that much. so just fuck off and get a soul, and a freaking argument.
I remember you saying you "were off" after telling off sliner, wtf is that? pathetic
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reminds me of every other shooter i've played.
P.S. stop comparing GA to APB, they are completely different.
It won't. I"m saying 8 vs 8 is the MAX for both sides. It was not a not having enough people problem. You simply cannot have more than 8 on each side. Your friends should have been more proactive. I went out and got a beta key. They could have too if they looked around. Some places were giving them out. You just had to go to that site and bam you got a key.
not quick enough I guess. What makes you so sure there won't be more players in a match??
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Because i played the beta and saw that the "Teams" in a match only to to 8. Unless there is some super event or somesuch there is NOT 20 vs 20 or 40 vs 40. The only way that could happen so far would be on a Chaos server where you can attack anyone of the opposing faction. There may be some restrictions on who you can attack but if so I wouldn't know.
Your making yourself look dumb. A district is not the same as a lobby. A lobby you sit there and wait for a match to start. In a district you can do missions, commit crimes/witness crimes, etc before even being matched. So a district is no more a lobby than a continent in WoW. Just because it is instanced doesn't make a difference since zone instancing has existed in MMO's for a long time. AoC had/has it and many others call them channels.
So what is your definition of massive? 200? 300? While at any one time you might only deal with 100 people but there are up to 100k to interact with on that server. Is 100k not massive? The 100 person limits are for stability, lag, and keeping player graphics load down. I've yet to play an MMO where 100+ players hasn't caused lag, crashes, slide shows, etc. So if the servers can't handle 1000 and your computer can't handle 1000 then whats the point of being massive?
This game is full of grey area definitions. Do you go by the district population of 100 or the server population of 100k? If you say the district then you need to go by the smaller zones in say WoW which rarely go over 100 yet it's an MMO. The world isn't "open" as you can drive from one district to the next but there are very few MMO's that don't utilize zones with loading screens, even WoW isn't open world by that definition. Since there are copies of the same district that again casts grey shadows since MMO's have utilized this since almost the start.
Seeing as the game servers have the potential to hold 100k, I'd say it's massive, it's certainly multiplayer and online. So yeah it is an MMOFPS.
who cares if it doesnt meet your definition of an MMO, its a cool game, if you dont like the game go log onto your warcraft account and pretend youre not playing in instances also
Sounds a fun Game even if not a classic mmoRPG.
However as an avid FPS player the lack of 1st person view is a true lack, too bad.
I played the beta of APB.
Honestly I wasn't very impressed, if you take away the character customization all it really seems to be is GTA multiplayer which you can do for free and the visuals are better...
I really liked the customization level of the game though I will give it that.
You are incorrect, things can esscalate more than you apparently participaed in. You didn't see it, dosnt make it not true.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I don't see why there is so much hate. APB is fun as long as you like Grand Theft Auto type games.
To all the people who complain about the lack of "RPG": An RPG is defined as a Role Playing Game. You are playing the role of a Criminal or an Enforcer. You design an avatar. You unlock upgrades and weapons as you level-up. (Yes there are levels in the game)
APB is an RPG regardless what the company says and what you believe.
To all the people complaining about "OMGAR not a FPS!": No the game isn't a First Person Shooter. It's a Third Person Shooter, much like Grand Theft Auto is. The combat in my opinion was fun. The various types of guns add alot of variety to encounters and this game weighs alot on skill as opposed to better gear, unlike WoW and many other MMORPGS.
To all the people complaining about the monthly costs: $7 gets you 20 hours of play time. $10 gets you a month. They have an ingame currency that you can sell your designs and creations for, which you can in turn use to buy game time. All of the customization stuff is free and I found it to be much more similar to Photoshop then MSPaint. Personally I feel the pricing is incredibly reasonable.
Also by "All the customization stuff is free" The Social district is free as well as you get 50 hours of gametime with the purchase. Honestly I don't have 50 hours in a month to devote to a single game so that will probably last me a while.
To everyone complaining about it not being Massively Multiplayer: I don't know what kind of experiences you have had with your gaming but in every other 'MMO" I've played I run into one other person once in a blue moon. Unless I'm sitting inside a city (Which would be the equivelant of the Social District). When I was playing the beta there were maybe 60 people on and your couldn't throw a rock without hitting another player. There was always something going on. This game felt more populated then WoW and LOTRO ever have. Even in CoX and CO I have rarely seen so many people in a single area.
This game is well worth checking out. Maybe you would prefer something where you can rely on the fact that you have all the time in the world to harvest the best gear inorder to have an upper hand in a conflict. Hoever for gamers like me who prefer to match skill against one another, APB is fantastic.
Get off your damned High Horses and give the game a try before you condem it as 'Not worth the money'
Call me a "Fanboi" if you want. I will gladly take that title for this game. The developers are doing something new and different and they should be praised for not pumping out another Ultima clone.
Had to lol at the green part first, till i saw that you played COX and CO, which explained my why you dont know whats MMO is, otherwise you wouldnt state this way.
Yep you are a fanboy. Its ok. Every game got its own fanboys.
Still i dont see reason to make a sub fee for this game, as it doesnt offer enough. Its like BFBC 2 would demand aswell sub fee. A lobby with max 100 person doesnt justify a sub fee for game where max fights are 8 vs 8 arena ....
Just my opinion. Like or dont like it doesnt matter.
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You have extremely shallow thinking.
www.roxstudiodesigns.com
Show me 100 people in the same place at the same time in WoW or LOTRO. Actually, show me 100 people in the same place at the same time in WoW or LOTRO that are actually participating in something.
Let me put this game in terms of WoW for you. You're rolling on your Blood Elf Palladin (Don't lie we know you have one.) with your group going to go kill some boss in its -Instanced- dungeon. Suddenly 30 Alliance players fly in there and start killing off your teammates while you're trying to kill the boss. You send a guild message and then some of your guildies roll in to save your sorry ass. The Alliance guys call in some of their buds, and all of a sudden its 50v50 while your trying to fight the boss.
It's just my opinion, but your misinformed. Do some homework before you try to establish an opinion. You just come off looking like an ass-hat otherwise.
Also CoX and CO are awesome games. If they weren't they wouldn't still be around.
Xianthos is just a hater. Ignore him. Who spends this much time writing about a game he says isn't worth the time? A hater. Dude, get a life real or online and quit all your complaining and bickering. You don't like APB fine, thats why there r so many studios making so many types of games. Find one you do like ad go play it. PLZ ! I just question the motives of someone sooooooo devoted to bagging on this game and anyone who seems to like it. Does it make you feel big type, type, typing from your mom's basement?
exo why the fuck dont you just shut up and go to another forum instead of trolling by telling off everyone who hates the game when they post the truths about this BS game. Everyone has a right to hate just as you have the right to troll so stfu if all you are gonna say is that haters are losers.
APB was totally advertised as things its not. And its the most overpriced piece of noobcake on the face of the earth, not just the morpg market, even whores dont cost that much. so just fuck off and get a soul, and a freaking argument.
I remember you saying you "were off" after telling off sliner, wtf is that? pathetic
Care to explain?
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