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Why did you stop raiding?
bastionix
Member Posts: 547
hey,
I would like to figure out why people stop raiding and if I can relate to them.
I stopped raiding because it felt like a second job to me after a while, because you were "forced" to log into a certain time-slot. I didn't really have fun listening to so many directions either.
Raiding is fun, it just seems like games don't do it the right way when many seem to burn out and quit.
Do you have a story about raiding and why you quit? Post it here.
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I would imagine most people who stopped raiding did it for that reason.... I know I did.
Raiding has got to be the worst thing that ever happened to gaming... let alone civilization as a whole. It's completely and totally retarted. Doing the same boring thing over and over and over... takes no skill, just horrible amounts of time... so lame. So very, very lame.
I can't even begin to tell you how much I hate raiding....
Yeh, same thing, i dont like to be forced to do things and with the recent emphasis to do raids for gear it felt like a chore and not a fun acitivity to do with friends.
i never started..
been playing MMOs since '94 my entire raiding experience consists of VanCleef a few times, and the raid dungeon in Stranglethorn Vale (forget the name) once.
Unless you consider the dungeons of UO raids.. which i loved ; )
I dont mind following directions at all, especially for the advancement of the guild, but everything else you mentioned is a pretty good example of why i dislike raiding. In a nutshell, its just not fun in my opinion.
The only reason to raid is that you like hanging out with your guildies.
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We have a blast.
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I can see that if you're in it for the lootz, it could suxors.
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When i stopped, it was mainly because i was no longer in a guild that shared my approach to it. It's game dependant of course, but in EQ2 where I raid, my raiding is highly dependant on who i'm doing it with.
We have guilds that raid 5-6 days a week, several hours a day and clear everything and want to be the top on the server. I can't handle that. Just too much time and emotional investment for me. I don't have the time and i just don't care THAT much. On the other end of the spectrum there are guys that raid a few times a week, totally suck, don't care if they kill anything or what they raid. I can't handle that either. I can't be surrounded by total morons or people who can't be bothered to learn even the most basic things. I happilly raid with my guild that only raids twice a week for a few hours day, but has skilled players who do their best and take showing up seriously. We're not the best on the server, but we kill almost everything and make progress on a weekly basis, at the same time we don't kill ourselves doing and we have fun and joke around. This matches my playstyle. If/when I leave this guild, I'll probably stop raiding because it's hard to find a bunch of people with similar priorities.
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I never did raid. I see endgame content as a fundamental laziness on the part of game developers. Rather than build a game world that offers enough variety to keep people interested, they make these treadmills for people to run through over and over again in search of loot that they can use to run through the treadmills over and over again with.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I never really have raided, at least as it stands in WoW(large group fighting to same dungeon over and over again for gear). From the first time someone told me about it I just thought it sounded increasingly dumb, so I stopped leveling and twinked in Warsong gulch/PvPed in general. Raiding has not interested me in any MMO I have ever played.
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I never even started, because I knew it would be chore.
I used to raid in EQ back in the day, mostly for "fun" though as abstract as that seems. Back then getting a piece of gear was RARE so we really did'ent raid for gear. Sure you "might" get something but on any given raid it was damm unlikely.
DAoC raiding was a break from RvR. Until TOA when raiding for ML's became kinda required. Those raids were not about gear though they were about progressing your character and "everyone" on the raid got the step done. So it was a different kind of raid.
WoW, Yes I used to raid back in the 40-man days. Had the free time and ended up as a raid leader on my server. I quit raiding in the 40-man days when the guild I was in became more focused on personal advancement over the guilds advancement. Meaning that the older raiders stopped attending when they got *thier* gear and refused to work on advancing the guild over thier own personal needs. BWL was a wake up for many when it was released. The need for FR ment going back into MC for cores/skins, again once the older raiders spent thier DKP on FR gear they again refused to attend to gear up others and BWL progression stalled. F 'em I quit leading raids and the guild eventually fragmented.
I went to another guild sometime later and did some Naxx's but again people were too focused on thier own upgrades so I quit again.
After some time away from WoW I went back just before tBC and got into 25-man raiding. Same deal though ... people are basically only interested in what "they" are getting out of a raid .. for me raiding is about progression and seeing new content and bosses. For most raiding is about getting new shiney crap.
My tBC raiding got a little better when I started a ML system where all loot was assigned for raid progression rather than based on DKP or SK etc. Oddly it worked with the folks I was running with and we made great progression and had fun. We merged with another guild though and went to a DKP system .. raids went back to the "me me me" attitude and I split. Aint really raided since ... i helped a friend out in ICC a few time recently but I no longer lead or look for raids.
I guess I am in a minority, for me raiding was always about seeing something new and working to overcome it (I guess going back to my EQ and DAoC days when gear was mostly a non-factor) For most players these days its about getting a new shiney. Dont get me wrong I have the free time to raid most every night and wrack up DKP / buy want, but unless I found myself with people who are more interested in progression than gear, I wont raid again.
You guys seem to be confused about what raiding is. I haven't stopped, but the only games that allow me to raid nowadays are trash (mortal online, darkfall).
For a lot of people it just seems to change their focus from having fun to becoming rigid and prone to treating things as a job. Not to mention no matter how things are managed it always seems your one step away from someone getting pissed and throwing a fit because someone isn't geared, doing their "job", or arguing over loot ditribution or how points are going to be distributed to determine loot distribution.
I simply want to have fun and dick around with some people when I play these games. Not have a second job.
I guess to put it short raiding for the most part to me simply wasn't fun and since that is what I play these games for that's why I tend to avoid them.
I haven't completely stopped though. Really boils down to the mentality and personalities of those I could raid with in the game in question as to whether I participate in it or not. That and how much free time I have heh
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I liked Darkfall to be honest raiding a enemy city and seiging is what brought me to that game when I was playing it sadly had to stop playing MMOs sides EVE due to my internet connection (lives in the sticks).
i agree with this post...
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I also agree with that post.
Me and the wife used to be in a family style guild that raided 2 times a week....like 4.5 hrs each time(although Sundays could run longer).
I quit due to health reasons coupled with taking prescription pain meds daily for the past 4 or 5 yrs. I didnt just quit raiding, I left EQ entirely as a lot of fun come from hanging out with guild during raids.
TOR is only MMO I will probably play again in my lifetime. It is for the BW story more than anything. Sitting around makes me ache(been on steroids/prednisone the past 20+ yrs), not to mention if my Crohns Disease is bothering me.
I went back to console gaming, as I can lay in bed with a heating pad on my gut....never worrying that I am pissing someone off cause I keep having to run to the bathroom.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
It was too easy and way too repetitive.
The BC days werent so bad. You could do tempest keep or serpent shrine cavern.......Hyjal or Black temple. With a little ZA action on the side.
Not like Lich King now....hmmmm ICC 25 or ICC 10 tough choice. Do I want that heroic or non? Meh that was the game breaker for me.
I've raided twice, once in EQ and once in WoW. Raiding isn't fun, it's a job. I play games to have fun. I already work a job that pays a salary, I'm sure as hell not going to do one that doesn't.
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I stoped becouse actualy discoverd I had a life. Belive me nobody was more surprised than me.:) But sometimes I miss it.......just sometimes.
I never raided hardcore like that. I raid a lot in DDO but thats less directions and more of know it and know your character and have a certain level of real skill. so its fun, for now at least
I stopped because it was never a spurr of the moment thing, it always needed to be planed out and the group had to meet certain conditions (group makeup, gear, a brain). I like to do things at the drop of a hat.
Also I found that the other people are what makes the raids hard, not the actual content itself, and the focus as of late is to gain something of valule through items rather then an experience with your friends.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
i never got into PvE raiding due to not wanting to be told how to play MY toon that i PAY for on a monthly or anual basis. i cannot stand dweebs who play certain games like world of warcraft 24/7 and act like they're some kind of pro at the game, and cannot take any criticism in return. i like being guildless, logging in, and doing whatever i want because i don't have obligations to anybody. besides, why should i care about a bunch of people i don't know and will never ever meet in real life? then there's the fact that the raiding took quite a bit of planning. whenever i did something with a party, it was one of those spur of the moment type things. if we all failed, fine. there wouldn't be any hard feelings. if anything, we'd laugh at what had just ocurred.
Yeah, this I think. Level 80 wasn't supposed to be the end of my character's development in WoW, it was supposed to be just the beginning! Or so I was told. But for me, it was the end. Especially after slogging through heroic after heroic to get gear, then dealing with finding a guild that raided (as opposed to saying they did and just not showing up when the appointed time came), then learning the fights as a new player, still with subpar gear compared to most everyone else. And then worse, getting an invite to PuGs that take hours to form, then fall apart with everyone crying and whining , and the couple times I did get to raid with a guild, it was pretty underwhelming. Eh, no thanks.
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It just wasn't worth the hassle.
I raided very casually in EQ1. A couple dungeon runs here, a spectactularly horrid plane run there, etc. It was just enough for me to get a taste for raiding. Once I got to level 60 in WoW, I started doing it more and more and I stuck with my guild from their first boss kills in Molten Core right up to the early bosses of Naxx and midway through AQ40. It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed their company, I enjoyed the false sense of accomplishment and superiority, and I loved seeing our plans come together.
The problems came from dealing with other people. Raiding in WoW involved coordinating massive numbers of people. Everyone had to stand in the right spot and do the right things at the right time or the entire raid would wipe. For every person who knew what they were doing and followed through with the plan for the good of the team, there were always three other individualists who couldn't put aside their egos long enough to actually be helpful. Oddly enough, it was usually the former group that ended up whining about loot, because they felt they deserved items x, y, and z more than the guy who stood in the fire but rolled the "right" class for said item.
Ultimately, raiding just places too many demands on the shoulders of serious raiders. Leading larger raids can be like herding cats, at times. Getting 39 or 24 or even 9 other people to so much as look in the same direction is a nigh impossible task, let alone getting all those people to adjust their positioning in mid fight. It doesn't help that the average IQ of any gamer (not just WoW players) is slightly lower than room temperature. Explaining complicated fights like Blood-Queen Lana'thel is like talking to a brick wall.
At the end of the day, I just said "screw it." It didn't matter how good I was, and it didn't matter how good the guy next to me was. I could be the best damn player on the server and still fail miserably, while players that pretty much roll their faces across the keyboard end up with the best gear in the game because they have more time to dedicate to sitting in front of their computer. That just doesn't sit well with me. So instead, I stick with non-raid content primarily and raid casually, quietly accepting the fact that I'm just not dumb enough to have the best gear.
Very much so. When raiding becomes so time consuming and unrewarding I usually quit the game entirely because I know its not worth the hassle compared to the things I need to do IRL.
Raided in EQ2,VG up to when in a month I wouldn't get any gear upgrades and was gone.