And so the unethical behavior begins....

HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

 

Yes, and EPIC also provides people the ability to make MODS with their engine.

 

The tools and features in MO more closely resemble a MOD, than a fully fleshed out game. But what can you expect when the lead developer was an amateur mod writer for Unreal?

 

Why all the personal attacks on SV?   

Although you're right in that nothing good has ever come from modest beginnings.  And that everyone should trust your claims.

 

CCP made trading cards before they made EVE... does EVE suck now?

If you want to compare MO to EVE feel free. Their developers made their own engine from the ground up. It actually takes real programming skills to know how to do that. It also came in at a time where the competition and expectations for MMOs was much lower. They were lucky.

 

If SV thinks they are going to coast by on the coattails of EVE, let them try.

funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

 

Yes, and EPIC also provides people the ability to make MODS with their engine.

 

The tools and features in MO more closely resemble a MOD, than a fully fleshed out game. But what can you expect when the lead developer was an amateur mod writer for Unreal?

 

Why all the personal attacks on SV?   

Although you're right in that nothing good has ever come from modest beginnings.  And that everyone should trust your claims.

 

CCP made trading cards before they made EVE... does EVE suck now?

If you want to compare MO to EVE feel free. Their developers made their own engine from the ground up. It actually takes real programming skills to know how to do that. It also came in at a time where the competition and expectations for MMOs was much lower. They were lucky.

 

If SV thinks they are going to coast by on the coattails of EVE, let them try.

 

Are you REALLY criticizing SV for using a licensed engine?  Let alone one with such a commercial history as Unreal? 

 

 

Jahosefat

MO should not have been released yet...PERIOD! if they actually start charging people now for service they are going to really drive away some of the faithful who are sticking with them even though the product is terrible at the moment.

Badem

Originally posted by eltgmoney

MO should not have been released yet...PERIOD! if they actually start charging people now for service they are going to really drive away some of the faithful who are sticking with them even though the product is terrible at the moment.

 And thats different from every other MMO launch how?

TBH I found this launch amazingly smooth, they took teh decision to remove some functionality due to imbalance issues (thieving etc)

Its stable, its fun and I like it,

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

 

Yes, and EPIC also provides people the ability to make MODS with their engine.

 

The tools and features in MO more closely resemble a MOD, than a fully fleshed out game. But what can you expect when the lead developer was an amateur mod writer for Unreal?

 

Why all the personal attacks on SV?   

Although you're right in that nothing good has ever come from modest beginnings.  And that everyone should trust your claims.

 

CCP made trading cards before they made EVE... does EVE suck now?

 Can you explain the personal attacks claim?  The lead developer has stated (and has been linked here repeatedly) that his experience consisted of being an Unreal Modder for 2+ years:

 

 

8th July 2008, 08:40

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Sebastian Persson vbmenu_register("postmenu_37343", true); Developer     Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Malmö Sweden Age: 26

I landed this job after modding UE2-2.5 for like.. 2 years or something, as a hobby. UE have been a great engine for modders to use for a while now, HL2 is also good but more companies use UE3 (I think.. there's a lot of em..) OFC you need to know your way around c++/java (java is kinda similar to unrealscript so that helps) (so.. stay in school ^^). For a big project like this you have to do a whole lot of programming since the engine is built for SP or MP games. Modding is different from using the pure-engine since modding mostly involves changing and adding things to an already existing game, we had/have to build a lot from the ground up. __________________ Important Programmer dude. Dear MacGuyver, Enclosed is a rubber band, a paper clip, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog.

HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

 

Yes, and EPIC also provides people the ability to make MODS with their engine.

 

The tools and features in MO more closely resemble a MOD, than a fully fleshed out game. But what can you expect when the lead developer was an amateur mod writer for Unreal?

 

Why all the personal attacks on SV?   

Although you're right in that nothing good has ever come from modest beginnings.  And that everyone should trust your claims.

 

CCP made trading cards before they made EVE... does EVE suck now?

If you want to compare MO to EVE feel free. Their developers made their own engine from the ground up. It actually takes real programming skills to know how to do that. It also came in at a time where the competition and expectations for MMOs was much lower. They were lucky.

 

If SV thinks they are going to coast by on the coattails of EVE, let them try.

 

Are you REALLY criticizing SV for using a licensed engine?  Let alone one with such a commercial history as Unreal? 

 

 

No, I'm not criticising them for it, and I'd probably have done the same thing in their case.

 

The only difference is I'd hire programmers, and not modders to actually be my lead developers. I could give you a Ferrari engine but if your experience is with fixing Corollas, the odds are you aren't going to be able to fix a V12 engine.

 

That's about the difference between the two.

mcrippins

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

 

Yes, and EPIC also provides people the ability to make MODS with their engine.

 

The tools and features in MO more closely resemble a MOD, than a fully fleshed out game. But what can you expect when the lead developer was an amateur mod writer for Unreal?

 

Why all the personal attacks on SV?   

Although you're right in that nothing good has ever come from modest beginnings.  And that everyone should trust your claims.

 

CCP made trading cards before they made EVE... does EVE suck now?

If you want to compare MO to EVE feel free. Their developers made their own engine from the ground up. It actually takes real programming skills to know how to do that. It also came in at a time where the competition and expectations for MMOs was much lower. They were lucky.

 

If SV thinks they are going to coast by on the coattails of EVE, let them try.

 

Are you REALLY criticizing SV for using a licensed engine?  Let alone one with such a commercial history as Unreal? 

 

 

No, I'm not criticising them for it, and I'd probably have done the same thing in their case.

 

The only difference is I'd hire programmers, and not modders to actually be my lead developers. I could give you a Ferrari engine but if your experience is with fixing Corollas, the odds are you aren't going to be able to fix a V12 engine.

 

That's about the difference between the two.

The flaw here is quite simply that it is clear his background isn't just pure modding. Scripting and coding are 2 different animals. No offense.. but they wouldn't hire someone who had a mere 2 years of scripting to be a lead developer in an MMO. He obviously has background in other areas.

Krux

Originally posted by merieke82

Not sure why this is causing epic raging. I preordered and have not been billed. *snip*  Notify customer service and if they don't fix it then come here and rage.

No kidding.  How is it so hard to check the "no sub re-occur" button?

HerculesSAS

Originally posted by afropuff420

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by funkmastaD

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

 

Yes, and EPIC also provides people the ability to make MODS with their engine.

 

The tools and features in MO more closely resemble a MOD, than a fully fleshed out game. But what can you expect when the lead developer was an amateur mod writer for Unreal?

 

Why all the personal attacks on SV?   

Although you're right in that nothing good has ever come from modest beginnings.  And that everyone should trust your claims.

 

CCP made trading cards before they made EVE... does EVE suck now?

If you want to compare MO to EVE feel free. Their developers made their own engine from the ground up. It actually takes real programming skills to know how to do that. It also came in at a time where the competition and expectations for MMOs was much lower. They were lucky.

 

If SV thinks they are going to coast by on the coattails of EVE, let them try.

 

Are you REALLY criticizing SV for using a licensed engine?  Let alone one with such a commercial history as Unreal? 

 

 

No, I'm not criticising them for it, and I'd probably have done the same thing in their case.

 

The only difference is I'd hire programmers, and not modders to actually be my lead developers. I could give you a Ferrari engine but if your experience is with fixing Corollas, the odds are you aren't going to be able to fix a V12 engine.

 

That's about the difference between the two.

The flaw here is quite simply that it is clear his background isn't just pure modding. Scripting and coding are 2 different animals. No offense.. but they wouldn't hire someone who had a mere 2 years of scripting to be a lead developer in an MMO. He obviously has background in other areas.

Really? He's never worked for a software firm. He's never shipped a software product, of any type.

 

His only experience is "messing around" with Unreal mods.

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by afropuff420

 

The flaw here is quite simply that it is clear his background isn't just pure modding. Scripting and coding are 2 different animals. No offense.. but they wouldn't hire someone who had a mere 2 years of scripting to be a lead developer in an MMO. He obviously has background in other areas.

 They certainly hired programmers with even less experience than that.. but if you have a link that disputes this please provide it.

 

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/1...ecome-one.html

SV Developer/Programmer Henrik:



 

Quote:

My plan was always to try to get in to a game company, but go for any programming job meanwhile to get my experience up. I got lucky and had contacts in Starvault already, so I only spent about six months as a non game dev programmer. ( I programmed milk sorting machines, yay... -.- )

Quote:

Your questions are a bit more tricky to answer since I've only ever worked at Starvault when it comes to games, and not even for very long either...

 

Rohn

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Ok, it seems that this is MY FAULT, not SV.

When they did the Forum change I went to link my game account to my forum account and it showed that I hadnt entered my CC info for my sub. So I did.

Appearantly in doing that I inadvertantly purchased another month.

 

So all you haters can get off the "SV Sucks" truck now.

The error is mine, not theirs

If you can purchase a single month by itself, then that system is designed to rip you off.

 

You're still entitled to a refund if you didn't want that month.

 

And I'd still suggest people be on the lookout for charges from SV.

 

The ONE error you Chicken Little'd to start this thread has been PROVEN to be the error of the user.

So, your reason to post about unethical behavior was proven WRONG, but you're going to continue to ignore that fact and drive on with your erroneous message.

What a surprise.

HerculesSAS

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Ok, it seems that this is MY FAULT, not SV.

When they did the Forum change I went to link my game account to my forum account and it showed that I hadnt entered my CC info for my sub. So I did.

Appearantly in doing that I inadvertantly purchased another month.

 

So all you haters can get off the "SV Sucks" truck now.

The error is mine, not theirs

If you can purchase a single month by itself, then that system is designed to rip you off.

 

You're still entitled to a refund if you didn't want that month.

 

And I'd still suggest people be on the lookout for charges from SV.

 

The ONE error you Chicken Little'd to start this thread has been PROVEN to be the error of the user.

So, your reason to post about unethical behavior was proven WRONG, but you're going to continue to ignore that fact and drive on with your erroneous message.

What a surprise.

The unethical action took place before this thread, by the auto-subscribe. You can't edit titles of posts here else I would change it. And having users check their credit cards is not a bad idea. What if he got charged for another reason? He's assuming it's his fault, and likely it is -- but no harm in having people check their accounts as well.

 

I'm not continuing anything, other than saying "check your credit card". Beyond that, we've taken this conversation way off topic anyway and I'd be fine if it's closed by a mod.

Rohn

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by PyrateLV

Ok, it seems that this is MY FAULT, not SV.

When they did the Forum change I went to link my game account to my forum account and it showed that I hadnt entered my CC info for my sub. So I did.

Appearantly in doing that I inadvertantly purchased another month.

 

So all you haters can get off the "SV Sucks" truck now.

The error is mine, not theirs

If you can purchase a single month by itself, then that system is designed to rip you off.

 

You're still entitled to a refund if you didn't want that month.

 

And I'd still suggest people be on the lookout for charges from SV.

 

The ONE error you Chicken Little'd to start this thread has been PROVEN to be the error of the user.

So, your reason to post about unethical behavior was proven WRONG, but you're going to continue to ignore that fact and drive on with your erroneous message.

What a surprise.

 Since when have they ever needed a solid reason? I've seen a year of crapping on SV for things they might do in the future and pretty much just clutching at straws for a reason to defame Henrik and SV. Next thing they'll be telling us that Henrik is a transexual Satan worshipper that eats live babies every day and that SV are actually the Illuminati because David Icke heard it after the trans dimensional beings that posses Queen Elizabeth II told him!

I mean they got their chash back and just continue to rag on a game they don't like and don't play yet we've got atleast one of them advocating Xyson! How the **** does that make any sense? It's like saying I bought a ford and it sucked so I got my money back and am going to purchase a travant! No offence to Notorious Games but I have seen the PvP vids and it reminded me of playing rock and wrestle in the pub many years ago.

Certain posters just need to let it go, they will in time but for now they haven't found the next game to move on to.

 

Kneejerk reactions, fueled by prejudice and personal agendas, routinely prove to be wrong, and make the people making such allegations look foolish.

Not foolish enough to stop them, of course, but foolish nonetheless.

SnarlingWolf

Ahh the internet, the place where people can post things without any fact checking at all. And then others will jump on board, using the information that was posted without fact checking, as proof of an issue they want to push without fact checking for themselves.

 

The real amazing part is how often this happens, again and again, and people still believe things that complete and random strangers say and accept it as truth.

NightCloak

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by PyrateLV

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Kneejerk reactions, fueled by prejudice and personal agendas, routinely prove to be wrong, and make the people making such allegations look foolish.

Not foolish enough to stop them, of course, but foolish nonetheless.

 And this is why I read these forums.

Surfrider

Locked - the issue's been resolved per the affected user.