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I actually did, and funnily enough it was your constant whining and ranting on the official forums among others that led me asking around in the few guilds I was part of and circle of friends and acquaintances to see what their experiences then were a couple of weeks after the RotGS release, because it was my own perception back then that after the first few days after RotGS any major issues were resolved, and stability only got better after that. A few people used an old trick to circumvent the recurring OOM crash those first few days, but after the first patches kicked in they didn't need it anymore. I myself was on the verge of using that workaround but then a patch just got released and my crashes stopped.
After I'd found a good tutorial site, I also could very quickly raise my fps with 20-40 with only adjusting a few settings.
OOM = out of memory crash Leskovar. An error that caused AoC to crash with that message that some players could get depending on their operating system and PC configuration. I got it myself too in the first few days after the expansion launch, but then they stopped happening.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Ahh ok. thank you for that. That sounds a lot like the memory leaks that plagued Vanguard when it started up. Shit happens I guess but at least they fixed them quick enough.
expect this thread and others related to TSW to explode in 2-3 days btw
Sorry I find this hard to believe, though it is a nice convenient narrative for the basis of the discussion. Plus AOC was crashing prior to the expansion - read the forums. Performance wasn't just an issue after the expansion it was already an issue for a considerable number of people before - read the forums. I was already ranting/raving and had been for a considerable period of time - read the forums.
I find it interesting that you are defending a game that required you to find a 'tutorial site' in order to get better performance from the game client. So you obviously went looking for that because you were happy with the performance of AOC. You don't go looking around for tuts on settings if you have no issues, oh let me guess it was recommended. Not being happy with your average 90fps you decided to push the envelope even further.
Having not played since the end of July and being banned from the official forums the issues might be fixed now, but I would doubt it. The expansion launched on 15th May and by the end of July the out of memory error/crash was still there. It wouldn't surprise me if it's still there, it would just depend on your setup as to whether it impacts on you or not. Be cautious of AOC if you are running a 32bit OS and need to run DX9, well even if you can run DX10 be cautious. 64 bit OS you shouldn't have too many problems if you have 4gb+ and an Nvidia graphics card. AOC doesn't like ATI cards that much at all.
Totally agree with the OP.
After waiting for AoC to be fixed/completed I picked up the game for £10 (one month free) and started hacking my way through the content. All went well and I started raiding. A year into raiding and they changed the Dark Templar into more of a Death Knight and suddenly this off tank was able to tank better than tanks.
Needless to say the DT's didn't want to tank, not why they rolled their toons and we (guardians) didn't want to go to melee DPS - we couldn't mind you, our dps was torrid even with the respec into two handed - so we, effectively, went from MT to nothing overnight.
The raid and guild fell apart soon afterwards.
So why would people buy from Funcom again? Why indeed - not only do they have the ability to screw a game up at release but once they've fixed it they'll make decisions to break it again. (Not to mention stating the combat system was twitch and it still isn't!)
Sorry, but if you want to balance a game's PvP go ahead. If you can't see how these changes are going to scupper your raid group dynamic - that's just unforgivable. Can they truly be that short sighted? Yes, Yes they can and have proved they are. And to they're statement: "Well just make raids harder - raiders are really easy to please."
Bite me.
I'll never play a Funcom game again.
I appreciate that advice, I think I meet those requirements but I saw the original AOC at walmart recently for like 4 dollars so even it it's still fucked I wont be out much. Also understand your point about funcom and dont blame you at all (Vanguard being just one of my similar experiences) but still think I'll give it a try. Been reading their site as well as here trying to feel out the community forums and classes to play, the priests seem pretty damn cool on paper
I noticed you find a lot of things hard to believe, including that the majority of AoC players don't have the same problems as you even if at the official forums a lot of them said so to you again and again and again.
And yes, when in June you were still moaning about your stability problems while mine had vanished weeks ago, I started asking around what the impressions of others were and if they had stability issues, crashes and such. I started looking for graphic performance improvement after RotGS launch when I thought I'd switch from DX9 to DX10 and when I wasn't satisfied with the hit in fps it got me. So yes, tweaking with the help of tips found elsewhere managed to get me an additional 20-30 fps while still keeping my DX10 high settings. It was worth it.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I have an ATI card, also still Windows Vista 32-bit; no problems here anymore, any issues I had in that area like OOM crashes, they all disappeared within a week after RotGS launch. Oh, and running on DX10 settings all the time
But yes, doing a check how compatible your PC system is with AoC by playing the trial can't do harm.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Purely to spite you. Seems to be working.
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As with any company for any product, the staff that work for them change all the time. Some people leave and new people join them. Therefore it is a bit stupid to assume that every game produced by a games company will always be of the same level of quality. It's kind of daft to say "I hated that game so I will hate EVERY game they ever make".
Mythic is a prime example of that. DAoC was a great game for its time. WAR on the other hand was absolutely dreadful. The company name may have still been Mythic but years after the release of DAoC, it was clearly evident that the talented people had left for greener pastures.
Mr OP, it is YOU who should wake up. Just use your brain a little bit and give it some thought before making silly posts like this one.
Interesting you switch to DX10 around the same time the problems are isolated to possibly being related to DX9.
I had been moaning about stability/performance issues for quite a while prior to the launch of the expansion. We aren't just talking graphics settings, we are talking all sorts of things including serious lag spikes and rubberbanding. To make out AOC has the odd issue which then gets fixed within a reasonable time scale is totally unbelievable.
I don't dispute people can run the game without issue, that's part of the problem with PC gaming so many variables to take into account. But if you are seriously trying to say AOC acts in any way shape or form like a 'normal' game I think you are barking. I can quite happily install/setup other games and tweak the performance within a few minutes. Options make sense and some even have an 'optimal settings' option that interrogates my system and does it all for me. With AOC you can spend more time 'tweaking' than you can playing. Not to get out of this world performance but just to get 'reasonable' performance.
Nonsense. I didn't state AoC performs as good as other games, I only stated that the majority of AoC players can play AoC fairly smoothly with little to no stability problems.
Besides, in another post of mine I've also mentioned that I think the Dreamworld engine as used in AoC has its flaws or limits especially combined with tasking highly detailed graphics and textured world: there's a reason why Blizzard and Turbine purposely chose for lower level graphics for a MMO, it allowed them to create a vast world that allowed players to do their things in a smooth way on PC's even 5 years old.
Oh, and I switched to DX10 because I got a new graphics card, the tweaking took me reading up on the tutorial half an hour only once. It was worth it.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I am not saying AOC performs as well as other games, I am saying you make out like AOC acts like a 'normal' game. You go into the settings tweak the odd thing and viola the game is working reasonably well. But as I already stated there is next to no logic in the AOC game client. The settings you would tweak on other games to improve performance don't make any difference in AOC and on occasions the opposite is true. Switch on High Quality Shadows and the client performs better than having shadows disabled. Switch on low quality textures and performance is worse - all of it is totally bizarre. In essence I don't think Funcom know how to code with performance in mind.
Anyway, let me get this right, at the time people are having issues with performance in AOC. You a) Buy a new graphics card b) Switch from DX9 to DX10 - then wonder what all the fuss is about with other people? Let me guess you had already planned to purchase a new graphics card, it was on offer/sale just around the exact same time the expansion for AOC came out. AOC performance was not a consideration in this purchase in any way shape or form. The thing that normally prompts me to buy a new graphics card or go looking around for tuts on performance/tweaking is when I have issues not if everything is running smoothly. So are we saying this is just all total coincidence?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I agree with "why would we buy an other funcom game"
I bought Age of Conan at launch and had nothing more then truble.
Chat didn't work for me so the ful 3 months I played the game I couldn't even comunicate which is really importand in a MMO.
The game crashed a lot and the endgame was bugged beside that the real endgame got released a way to late.
The problem with Funcom is there games look really cool even I must agree with that Secret World looks really promising, but I don't trust it because I am prety sure that when a company can't fix there other games and don't keep there promises with them there new game is gonna be exacly the same. I mean 5 months later I logged on AoC again to see if they fixed my bugs and they where still there ! beside that they said AoC is gonna be a hardcore MMORPG and now years later when a lot of people say there game is prety casual they say in an intervieuw that they are kinda happy with how AoC came out when its something totaly differant then the promised at launch..... So why would "I" trust a company that lied about there game and had loads of bugs and crashes in it months after launch.
Most beta's are more stable than AoC was 5 months after launch.
Funcoms programmers are not as good as Blizzards or ANETS. But I do still expect tSW to run a lot better than AoC from the start since the GFX engine is already made now and building a new one from scratch is hard work.
My issue with Funcom games is that they are too cheap with content, AoC are still today thin at some levels and I doubt tSW will be better there.
As for the bad launches issue I can only recommend you to wait a few months, and that goes for any MMO. Funcoms launches are really bad but there have been worse, like Vanguard. Few companies wait until their games are actually ready before they release them.
It's like I told a friend who asked recently how AoC was as he never played it:
"Best part of the game is the fatalities, and that gets old very quickly, and only really fun for melee, 'cause casters pretty much just click their attacks like any other MMO."
And to speak of the quality of the game. It looks awesome as well, but that's not really enough. The game is still very buggy, but not near as bad as it used to be, so they are doing alright with the bug hunt.
I recently purchased the expansion hoping to finally get into the game. Got to the new area at the broken caravan, swarmed by quests (which I'm not a fan of, honestly. But that's just me), and one of the first I did to save some people being held hostage, well, I clicked on each of them to rescue them, and they quickly shot off into the distance on their asses like they were on go-karts or something.
This isn't enough to discourage me from playing another Funcom game... but honestly, TSW doesn't look very appealing, and the combat i've seen thus far looks pretty underwhelming. But we'll see.
This whole debate has become moot and ridiculous, bordering on the petty. So I'm done with it, if you're the kind of person that needs to have the last word, then be my quest.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Sound advice, in any situation.
Any company changes, we've seen enough great companies that dove down into mediocrity or started to deliver average to bad games after having produced great games before, everything changes.
Of course, it's people's own choice if they don't want to play a game because of the history of the company that makes it, but I couldn't care less about what company made a game, if I was interested in the game itself.
Harbouring a hatred or grudge towards a game company is even more a waste of time.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I shall accept your quest! and add that I have not read this thread at all but my answer to the question that was asked in the threads title is... because if a game is good then I want to be able and play it.
So who would buy another game from funcom? People that base their oppinion of a game on the game's own merit and not because of their personal grudge and inability to put things behind them.
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This thread is pointless! because not everyone hate Funcom nor hate on MMORPG games like you do so... if you trying to get followers to egerly shutdown FUNCOM it wont happen. So either go on with your life or simply stop playing MMORPG in genaral because with you if something not going as you imagine in an MMORPG you hate on it to the point of insanity. When AoC came out for the first time it was bad and I agree but it has improve to be playable and fun.
MODS PLEASE CLOSE THIS HATE THREAD and why has it been open for this long anyway?
This thread is still open because the mods here support hate, trolling and flaming. It pays there bills. As long as people come online and see the ads they won't shut down anything. This website has been reduced to rubble because of the mods failure to control all the hate. We can't even have a decent discussion here without stupid, immature, and mal-informed people ruining what otherwise could be positive discussion of mmorpg's in question. Sorry MMORPG.COM. You all know it's true.