Star Vault is improving this game ...

Diekfoo

I think SV is doing a good job improving their game. Here is a thread showing that they listen to their players that was created after the last patch one day ago.

2010-30-6 by Henrik Nyström

Dear community,



We are now focusing on small patches that are top priority.



We already started with increasing durability greatly; please give us your feedback so we can further balance it.



We greatly increased how much resources a node have until it slowly depletes, we need your feedback here as well.



Above fixes should go live within an hour



The goal is not to create more endless grind, but to spread players around the world which helps economy, server load and interest for players.



Tomorrow we will try to solve sticky weapon once and for all, we will keep you updated on the progress.



Please inform us of any other critical issue we may have now so we can focus on what you think is most important at this time.'



Thanks

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48222-update-2010-30-6-a.html

Diekfoo

This thread shows that only 16% of the subscribers don't want to resub.  I think this poll says lots, that most of the players like  MO and will resub now when MO will continue to improve and add stuff into MO. 

Note that this vote is done where only actual customers are allowed vote. So it's a very valid poll, because people not having played the game can't vote.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48244-mortal-online-you-resubscribing.html

Toferio

Originally posted by Diekfoo

This thread shows that only 16% of the subscribers don't want to resub.  I think this poll says lots, that most of the players like  MO and will resub now when MO will continue to improve and add stuff into MO. 

Note that this vote is done where only actual customers are allowed vote. So it's a very valid poll, because people not having played the game can't vote.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48244-mortal-online-you-resubscribing.html

It is far more then 16%. Add together all "no" answers and you will have a real answer for current state of the game (50%). The price will not be lowered, so we can count in those who said "No unless price is lowered/and hotfixes done" into the NO pool. So that is already 25% , aka every forth who wont be resubbing. Then we got 25% who are waiting if SV will not screwup with their hotfixes.

So yeah, it is far from "only 16%". Neither is it that little.

Keller

what about the people who doesn't visit the forums anymore? 20k copies were sold and my guess is only 1-2k people are visiting the forums.

 

SV isn't improving the game at this moment. They are fixing what should have been working at launch. Improving is adding new features and fluff to the game. If you mean SV is improving the server stability, I have to agree with you. The server doesn't crash that often anymore, but still is crashing on occasion.

 

A quote from Henrik Nystrom: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48222-update-2010-30-6-a.html

Originally posted by Henrik Nystrom

 The goal is not to create more endless grind, but to spread players around the world which helps economy, server load and interest for players

I believe that is funny, "we don't want players around other players, because our servers don't like that". It's a mmo, not a co-op game.

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

This thread shows that only 16% of the subscribers don't want to resub.  I think this poll says lots, that most of the players like  MO and will resub now when MO will continue to improve and add stuff into MO. 

Note that this vote is done where only actual customers are allowed vote. So it's a very valid poll, because people not having played the game can't vote.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48244-mortal-online-you-resubscribing.html

 Actually... the poll shows that over half of the CURRENT players will NOT be subscribing. 

The question posed was "Are You Resubscribing?"

 

Yes currently = 49%

NO currently = 51%

 

Thanks for linking the poll again.  I had linked it yesterday in another thread.   As you say, this is a very valid poll because only people playing can vote.

 

Keep in mind that all the people that stopped playing the game and visiting the forums since July 2009 won't be included in the NO voting but obviously won't want to resub.

Diekfoo

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

This thread shows that only 16% of the subscribers don't want to resub.  I think this poll says lots, that most of the players like  MO and will resub now when MO will continue to improve and add stuff into MO. 

Note that this vote is done where only actual customers are allowed vote. So it's a very valid poll, because people not having played the game can't vote.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48244-mortal-online-you-resubscribing.html

 Actually... the poll shows that over half of the CURRENT players will NOT be subscribing. 

The question posed was "Are You Resubscribing?"

 

Yes currently = 49%

NO currently = 51%

 

Thanks for linking the poll again.  I had linked it yesterday in another thread.   As you say, this is a very valid poll because only people playing can vote.

 

Keep in mind that all the people that stopped playing the game and visiting the forums since July 2009 won't be included in the NO voting but obviously won't want to resub.

You are totally wrong, I tell you why. 

The result is ...

49.53% Yes, I will definitely be resubscribing. 

24.92% No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

1.58% No, but I would if the subscription fee was lowered.

7.57% No, unless both the price is lowered, and small hotfixes are started.

16.40% No, I will definitely NOT be resubscribing.

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100%

One of my links in this thread show the announcement that SV is now going to start doing hotfixes regularly. This will then add another 24.92%. 

So 49.53+24.92 = 74.45% that will resub ... but then we got those that want the fee lowered to subscribe. That is an interesting question, because every custmer wants a product as cheap as possible ... if they can. So many will vote on that option to hope SV will lower the monthly fee. And players play a game if it's fun not because it have a 10% lower monthly fee. So I am pretty sure most of them will resub anyway. 

So the result will be more like 83-84% that will resub and only like 16-17% will not resub. 

Slapshot1188

51% of the people responded to the question "Are you resubscribing" and said NO

 

Pretty simple.

 

All the poll shows is that currently 158 people said YES I will resubscribe.  So thats 158" yes" out of how many copies sold?

Toferio

Originally posted by Diekfoo

One of my links in this thread show the announcement that SV is now going to start doing hotfixes regularly. This will then add another 24.92%.

You are sure a positive one.. we yet have to see if they WILL do the hotfixes, and how good they will be . There is a long road from saying to actually doing something.

 

Originally posted by Khealler

what about the people who doesn't visit the forums anymore? 20k copies were sold and my guess is only 1-2k people are visiting the forums.

Considering that you basically have to use forums/irc in order to efficiantly trade, and that you almost have to be in a guild to achieve anything, I would say that majority of active players visit the forums. However, how many of those 20k are active is the real question..

Diekfoo

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

51% of the people responded to the question "Are you resubscribing" and said NO

 

Pretty simple.

 

All the poll shows is that currently 158 people said YES I will resubscribe.  So thats 158" yes" out of how many copies sold?

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.

24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 

That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.

Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

Got_Game_TV

To be fair, Slapshot is looking at it from his negatively biased perspective while you're looking at it from your positively biased perspective.  Regardless, MO isn't just going to die today or tommorow. 

 

Poll results are just that....poll results.  Anyone who regularly follows politics knows that polls can't really be trusted to properly evaluate the actual consequences of much. :

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by zekkcc

To be fair, Slapshot is looking at it from his negatively biased perspective while you're looking at it from your positively biased perspective.  Regardless, MO isn't just going to die today or tommorow. 

 

 Sorry.. but when 51% of the responding folks say NO.. I think it is simply untrue to make a statement like "So the result will be more like 83-84% that will resub and only like 16-17% will not resub. "

That's not being negative.. that's simply accepting people at their word when they say "NO", with 1 week left before subs expire...

 

ryuga81

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Originally posted by Diekfoo

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.
24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.
Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 
That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.
Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

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Wait, you are *really* unable to tell the difference between "say you will do something" and actually "start doing something"? O.o

Diekfoo

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

51% of the people responded to the question "Are you resubscribing" and said NO

 

Pretty simple.

 

All the poll shows is that currently 158 people said YES I will resubscribe.  So thats 158" yes" out of how many copies sold?

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.

24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 

That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.

Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

Slapshot, why do you ignore the above fact I have presented ... that add another 24.92% and makes it into 74.5% will subscribe? Here is the fact again ... that proof my case ...

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48222-update-2010-30-6-a.html

We are now focusing on small patches that are top priority.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48217-hot-fix.html#post945526

Keep em coming detailed as this so we actually can cover them. Our latest patch was based only on feedback from the community. We will have more frequent small fixes now so we make sure we cover the highest issues we have at the moment.

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

51% of the people responded to the question "Are you resubscribing" and said NO

 

Pretty simple.

 

All the poll shows is that currently 158 people said YES I will resubscribe.  So thats 158" yes" out of how many copies sold?

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.

24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 

That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.

Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

 How does one "start doing hotfixes regularly" yesterday?

Wouldn't regularly impy that it occurs over a measurable duration?

These people voted YESTERDAY... not like this poll was 2 months old.   This is the current feelings of the voters.  If you think something dramatic has changed in the last 12 hours I guess you could put up another poll....

 

It's like a kid that says he's going to make his bed everyday and because he did it yesterday he expects his parents to pay him his allowance for the next week because it's fixed...

 

I'd like to point out that the company also recently said that they would announce the compensation for poor server performance "shortly".. that was 9 days ago.

They announced that they would be sending out actual (working) DVDs to their customers at launch.  Launch was 3 weeks ago.

 

So I guess the moral of my story is that they have to actually start doing the hotfixes regularly before you can assume that the people who specifically stated NO (yesterday) actually mean YES...

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Diekfoo

 

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.

24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 

That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.

Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

Slapshot, why do you ignore the above fact I have presented ... that add another 24.92% and makes it into 74.5% will subscribe? Here is the fact again ... that proof my case ...

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48222-update-2010-30-6-a.html

We are now focusing on small patches that are top priority.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48217-hot-fix.html#post945526

Keep em coming detailed as this so we actually can cover them. Our latest patch was based only on feedback from the community. We will have more frequent small fixes now so we make sure we cover the highest issues we have at the moment.

 I'll try and say this one more time as perhaps I am not explaining the simpleness of this correctly.

The 2 posts you link about their promise to hotfix are dated yesterday at 09:59 and 09:29 my time.

The poll you linked is dated yesterday at 12:11 my time.

 

See.. everyone that voted NO.. did so AFTER the posts by Henrick.  Thus.. they saw the posts with the promises and still voted NO.

 

So you understand now?

Got_Game_TV

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by zekkcc

To be fair, Slapshot is looking at it from his negatively biased perspective while you're looking at it from your positively biased perspective.  Regardless, MO isn't just going to die today or tommorow. 

 

 Sorry.. but when 51% of the responding folks say NO.. I think it is simply untrue to make a statement like "So the result will be more like 83-84% that will resub and only like 16-17% will not resub. "

That's not being negative.. that's simply accepting people at their word when they say "NO", with 1 week left before subs expire...

 

Are you honestly trying to act like you aren't negatively biased towards MO and SV?  Seriously?  You can claim neutrality and act like you're simply observing the "facts" but that isn't what you're doing and you know it.  A definitive "NO" is not the same as a NO contingent on SV's actions but you are responding as though they are.  The reason for giving varied options is to see what would cause players to resub and what wouldn't. 

 

This whole thing is moot anyway because polls aren't truly reflective of people's actual opinions and actions.  Many things can factor into polls such as the hope that voting a specific way will affect how SV approaches the development and administration of MO. 

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by zekkcc

 The reason for giving varied options is to see what would cause players to resub and what wouldn't. 

 

Yet they voted NO yesterday.. so as of yesterday they would chose NOT to resubscribe.  Might they change their mind in the next week?  Sure...  but as of yesterday they said NO.

Diekfoo

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Diekfoo

 

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.

24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 

That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.

Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

Slapshot, why do you ignore the above fact I have presented ... that add another 24.92% and makes it into 74.5% will subscribe? Here is the fact again ... that proof my case ...

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48222-update-2010-30-6-a.html

We are now focusing on small patches that are top priority.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48217-hot-fix.html#post945526

Keep em coming detailed as this so we actually can cover them. Our latest patch was based only on feedback from the community. We will have more frequent small fixes now so we make sure we cover the highest issues we have at the moment.

 I'll try and say this one more time as perhaps I am not explaining the simpleness of this correctly.

The 2 posts you link about their promise to hotfix are dated yesterday at 09:59 and 09:29 my time.

The poll you linked is dated yesterday at 12:11 my time.

 

See.. everyone that voted NO.. did so AFTER the posts by Henrick.  Thus.. they saw the posts with the promises and still voted NO.

 

So you understand now?

Is this really so complex? It's the same day. 

It's like ...

The seller: If you buy this new computer you get the speakers for free.

The few unsure buyers: I buy the computer if I get the speakers for free.

That ends up that the unsure buyers buy the computer because they get the speakers for free. They got what they wanted.

Now back to MO again.

The unsure MO subscribers will only subscribe if they get more frequent patches and because devs will start doing that ... the subscribers get what they wanted and will subscribe. 

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

 

Is this really so complex? It's the same day. 

It's like ...

The seller: If you buy this new computer you get the speakers for free.

The few unsure buyers: I buy the computer if I get the speakers for free.

That ends up that the unsure buyers buy the computer because they get the speakers for free. They got what they wanted.

Now back to MO again.

The unsure MO subscribers will only subscribe if they get more frequent patches and because devs will start doing that ... the subscribers get what they wanted and will subscribe. 

 All I can say is that is some... umm.. interesting logic.  I guess we will see the actual results soon though as the current subscription renewal date is about a week away pending any last minute changes by SV as a result of poor server performance crediting some extra time.

Preponerance

Who cares?

 

I'm sure that everyone wants their favorite mmo to succeed.  

If your having fun play the damn game if not find another one or wait for one to come out. Simple.

Everyone has a right to complain or praise.

This theory crafting is getting  ridiculous.  It ruined a ton of games for me. 

 

Both you guys have valid points, maybe people aren't on the forums because they are enjoying the game or they already quit.

Toferio

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Diekfoo

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

51% of the people responded to the question "Are you resubscribing" and said NO

 

Pretty simple.

 

All the poll shows is that currently 158 people said YES I will resubscribe.  So thats 158" yes" out of how many copies sold?

I take it one more time for you Slapshot ... it's not difficult.

24.92% said No, but I would if small hotfixes start being implemented regularly.

Yesterday Star Vault said they will start doing hotfixes regulary ... thats mean those 24.92% will subscribe. 

That is 49%+25.5% = 74.5% will subscribe plus those people that tries to lower the subscription costs.

Don't tell me, you don't understand this ... 

Slapshot, why do you ignore the above fact I have presented ... that add another 24.92% and makes it into 74.5% will subscribe? Here is the fact again ... that proof my case ...

You really aint the brightest one, are you.. I will say it as simple as I can, as when I talk to kids. Only because they said they will focus on hotfixes, it does not mean they will. They broke a lot of promises of fixing desync and deadlines before, so do not be so optimistic including the "I will resub if hotfixes" group into the yes pile. FIRE we gotta see how good those fixes are, then you can run your mouth.

First see the actual hotfixes regularry OVER A WEEK OR TWO, THEN you can jump to conclussions. Period.

Rohn

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Diekfoo

This thread shows that only 16% of the subscribers don't want to resub.  I think this poll says lots, that most of the players like  MO and will resub now when MO will continue to improve and add stuff into MO. 

Note that this vote is done where only actual customers are allowed vote. So it's a very valid poll, because people not having played the game can't vote.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48244-mortal-online-you-resubscribing.html

 Actually... the poll shows that over half of the CURRENT players will NOT be subscribing. 

The question posed was "Are You Resubscribing?"

 

Yes currently = 49%

NO currently = 51%

 

Thanks for linking the poll again.  I had linked it yesterday in another thread.   As you say, this is a very valid poll because only people playing can vote.

 

Keep in mind that all the people that stopped playing the game and visiting the forums since July 2009 won't be included in the NO voting but obviously won't want to resub.

 

Given the fact that this is a leading poll (as admitted by the poll's maker), adding the "NO" votes together as you are attempting to do is a gross oversimplification.  Three of the four "NO" answers come with conditions, so cannot be considered a strict "NO".

The poll's creator states:

"So, I thought I would make a Poll. Not just for our sake, so that we can get an idea for the population count post-July 9th; but also for StarVault. This information could be very useful to them in deciding what route they go down next."

The odd construction of the poll indicates that it is not just base statistics he's after - he's trying to inform or direct SV down the path he thinks they should be taking.  Thus, leading.

It wasn't a straight "YES-NO-UNDECIDED" poll - and there was a purpose behind that.

In any event, July 9th is approaching, so this will doubtless not be the last poll, either.

Scottc

Originally posted by Diekfoo

This thread shows that only 16% of the subscribers don't want to resub.  I think this poll says lots, that most of the players like  MO and will resub now when MO will continue to improve and add stuff into MO. 

Note that this vote is done where only actual customers are allowed vote. So it's a very valid poll, because people not having played the game can't vote.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/48244-mortal-online-you-resubscribing.html

Seems accurate.  There are only 364 players of Mortal Online.

Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

 

 Actually... the poll shows that over half of the CURRENT players will NOT be subscribing. 

The question posed was "Are You Resubscribing?"

 

Yes currently = 49%

NO currently = 51%

 

Thanks for linking the poll again.  I had linked it yesterday in another thread.   As you say, this is a very valid poll because only people playing can vote.

 

Keep in mind that all the people that stopped playing the game and visiting the forums since July 2009 won't be included in the NO voting but obviously won't want to resub.

 

Given the fact that this is a leading poll (as admitted by the poll's maker), adding the "NO" votes together as you are attempting to do is a gross oversimplification.  Three of the four "NO" answers come with conditions, so cannot be considered a strict "NO".

The poll's creator states:

"So, I thought I would make a Poll. Not just for our sake, so that we can get an idea for the population count post-July 9th; but also for StarVault. This information could be very useful to them in deciding what route they go down next."

The odd construction of the poll indicates that it is not just base statistics he's after - he's trying to inform or direct SV down the path he thinks they should be taking.  Thus, leading.

It wasn't a straight "YES-NO-UNDECIDED" poll - and there was a purpose behind that.

In any event, July 9th is approaching, so this will doubtless not be the last poll, either.

 Funny how you quote PART of what he said but left out this post (from the poll creator quoted above):

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Yesterday, 17:47	#30 (permalink)
Sampzky vbmenu_register("postmenu_946493", true); Member     Join Date: May 2009 Location: England (EA) Playstyle: Adventurer	Quote:   Originally Posted by ohiojosh78 1 yes option and 4 no choices. NICE!!! You should learn how to be impartial before you post a poll. 1. Yes 2. Maybe (if they fix bugs that i'll explain in my post) 3. No Apologies if you find it difficult to do the mathematics yourself. Anyone selecting to vote for Options 3 to 5 are effectively voting for Option 2. However, by voting for Option 3 to 5, they are simply giving more detail as to why they chose Option 2. I'm sorry if that doesn't quite make sense to you, just grab a calculator and add the percentiles together for Options 2-4, and compare them against Option 1. That's your Yes/No Poll. I could have listed 3 more options for Yes, with the option to give an explanation for why people are choosing to stay. But at this point in time, I don't think telling StarVault why people are staying, is going to be as useful as telling them why they intend to leave. So, in summary: Firstly, do a little math. Secondly, if you voted No. (Options 2-4) Tell us why. With the current 141 Votes: 59 Yes. 82 No. We can conclude that: 41.84% of voters selected Yes. 58.16% of voters selected No. Was that really so difficult? __________________   --- "Pave The Way" Last edited by Sampzky : Yesterday at 17:51.

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So umm... yeah those are HIS words...

 

Anyhow, your last statement is correct and I agree on both counts.  July 9th is coming and there will likely be more polls!

 

 

Rohn

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

 

 Actually... the poll shows that over half of the CURRENT players will NOT be subscribing. 

The question posed was "Are You Resubscribing?"

 

Yes currently = 49%

NO currently = 51%

 

Thanks for linking the poll again.  I had linked it yesterday in another thread.   As you say, this is a very valid poll because only people playing can vote.

 

Keep in mind that all the people that stopped playing the game and visiting the forums since July 2009 won't be included in the NO voting but obviously won't want to resub.

 

Given the fact that this is a leading poll (as admitted by the poll's maker), adding the "NO" votes together as you are attempting to do is a gross oversimplification.  Three of the four "NO" answers come with conditions, so cannot be considered a strict "NO".

The poll's creator states:

"So, I thought I would make a Poll. Not just for our sake, so that we can get an idea for the population count post-July 9th; but also for StarVault. This information could be very useful to them in deciding what route they go down next."

The odd construction of the poll indicates that it is not just base statistics he's after - he's trying to inform or direct SV down the path he thinks they should be taking.  Thus, leading.

It wasn't a straight "YES-NO-UNDECIDED" poll - and there was a purpose behind that.

In any event, July 9th is approaching, so this will doubtless not be the last poll, either.

 Funny how you quote PART of what he said but left out this post (from the poll creator quoted above):

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Yesterday, 17:47	#30 (permalink)
Sampzky vbmenu_register("postmenu_946493", true); Member     Join Date: May 2009 Location: England (EA) Playstyle: Adventurer	Quote:   Originally Posted by ohiojosh78 1 yes option and 4 no choices. NICE!!! You should learn how to be impartial before you post a poll. 1. Yes 2. Maybe (if they fix bugs that i'll explain in my post) 3. No Apologies if you find it difficult to do the mathematics yourself. Anyone selecting to vote for Options 3 to 5 are effectively voting for Option 2. However, by voting for Option 3 to 5, they are simply giving more detail as to why they chose Option 2. I'm sorry if that doesn't quite make sense to you, just grab a calculator and add the percentiles together for Options 2-4, and compare them against Option 1. That's your Yes/No Poll. I could have listed 3 more options for Yes, with the option to give an explanation for why people are choosing to stay. But at this point in time, I don't think telling StarVault why people are staying, is going to be as useful as telling them why they intend to leave. So, in summary: Firstly, do a little math. Secondly, if you voted No. (Options 2-4) Tell us why. With the current 141 Votes: 59 Yes. 82 No. We can conclude that: 41.84% of voters selected Yes. 58.16% of voters selected No. Was that really so difficult? __________________   --- "Pave The Way" Last edited by Sampzky : Yesterday at 17:51.

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So umm... yeah those are HIS words...

 

Anyhow, your last statement is correct and I agree on both counts.  July 9th is coming and there will likely be more polls!

 

 

Indeed, the post you provided gives further proof to the fact that he cooked the poll with the intent to break it down with the opinions he thinks SV should be aware of, or the direction he thinks they should go.

Because he placed conditions on several of the choices, they cannot be considered as pure "NO" responses, no matter how he tries to sell it.  The latter options are not the same as options 2, and the data he intended to draw is going to be flawed because the conditions he set are not well defined (i.e. how does each respondent define "regularly").

The same would have been true if the possible responses had been "YES" choices with conditions.  It's a leading poll.

People who say "No, unless..." are technically undecided.

Toferio

Originally posted by Rohn

People who say "No, unless..." are technically undecided.

True, except for the "No unless they lower their prices". I can't see that happening tbh, but I guess we will see.