Hmm. Made my video card fan get pretty loud. Took video card up to 74C (164F). I don't think I've seen any other game get it quite that high. CPU cores up to 47C (116F). Only seemed to use three cores. Score @ high 1920 x 1080:
I'm glad they are pushing graphics. Somebody needs to. I'm tired of seeing the big blocky cartoony WOW look. I also like how the FF Online games have a more subtle color palette. Everyone else is going super saturated. I wasn't able to play the first FF Online game though. Didn't work on my computer at the time for some reason. It was plenty fast just... didn't work. That was the beta though. Never tried retail.
Looking at all the low benchmark scores from potential players makes me wonder if Square Enix isn't going to be shooting themselves in the foot regarding FFXIV for the PC. One of the things that made a game like WoW so popular here in the US and abroad was it accessibility due to the low system requirements. Now Square Enix is going to release a much anticipated game with extremely high system requirements. Is this a wise move or are they shooting themselves in the foot?
WOW did not have low system requirements. It was on par with what was normal for somewhat new PC's at the time. It's been out almost 6yrs so you have to do the math going back a few years.
Nope, so many people either don't read the specs or chance it in the hope that their under minimum spec will be able to run it to some degree, there won't be any shortage of people playing at launch, it may well effect their numbers later, but as people upgrade their systems they will try it, I suspect it will be around for a while.
i dont think those specs are that bad. if you havent got a a 512 mb video, 2 gb of ram, and a duo processor, then you avent bougth a pc in longer then 4 years. My rig is 3 years old, and it still is quite beyond those specs. The only thing i have upgraded is the video card.
My rig is almost 3 years old now, and I got a low 3000 score on the benchmark. People need to start buying better computers if they want to play the newest games. That, or wait until the PS3 version comes out.
MMORPGs should be released with high system reqs. It is important because you want the game to STILL look good in 5 years. Not every game is like WoW - with massive budgets to revamp the graphics engine in every expansion.
If you can't afford a $600 PC (which is all you need to play almost any game these days if you know how to buy/build a good PC) then you can always wait until the PS3 version comes out.
FYI they don't revamp the graphics engines. That would effect the whole game.
They have changed almost nothing.
They are just better at creating textures now, and also people's computers can handle the textures they make.
I think you could play games with a 600$ PC, also, but it wouldn't look good.
Are you just making stuff up and spouting it liek you know what you're talking about?
The entire graphics engine in WoW was redone for BC (in Outland only) and then again in WoTLK (especially for Northrend, but all areas were updated). You can see further and clearer than you could ever have seen before. My $2k PC can not maintain a perfect 60 FPS in Northrend with settings on "Ultra" - there was no Ultra setting pre-WoTLK. Draw distance is HUGE now. Textures in new areas are far higher in resolution.
And in a couple of months when Cataclysm comes out, the entire old world is getting redone to be at the same standards. Every square inch of the World of Warcraft will effectively be upgraded.
Also, in regards to your other stupid comment - no one will play this game at work.
The PC requirements are not steep for any gamer. The PS3 version is even more thrifty. No non-gamers are going to randomly pick up this game - and if they do, it won't be system requirements that make them regret their purchase.
And all of that can be done without redoing the entire graphics engine. I don't see a valid point here, no offense. They increased the graphics and made you see farther. That's cool. Doesn't mean they redid the engine underlying. And I don't know what kind of weird ass 2k PC you have. for 2k I can get the newest graphics card, nearly the best processor, and at least pretty damn good ram with extra money left over for everything else. I don't think you understand what goes into making textures. Textures don't have anything to do with the graphical engine. That usually deals with polygons. Textures are picture files inserted over the model. They can be as detailed or as not detailed as they want, but computers sometimes have problems getting the data quick enough, so they make them higher or lower resolution depending. They didn't make the textures better in northrend and the outlands because they redid the graphics engine. They did it because people's computer could handle it now.
I don't think you read very well.
Also, The PC requirements are not steep now, no. But they were about mid-range 6 years ago. I'm not talking about now. Are you saying you've never had a friend tell you "oh hey, check out this game". If it's accessible to everyone, friends are going to suggest it to other people who don't usually play that sort of thing.
At what point are developers allowed to move on and not support 5 year old computers?
A current gen PC with modest specs is going to have a quad core CPU, a pretty decent video card and 4 GB of RAM. FF isn't being targeted towards the Free Realms crowd, it's more of a gamers game. So, no I don't think they are shooting themselves in the foot. FF is the type of game that people who are lagging behind spec-wise decide to upgrade for.
It's not that they shouldn't support 5 year old PCs.
It's about people who don't normally play games and don't have nice computers. People who will play this at work.
Stuff like that.
Game developers probably don't stop and think about the people who will be playing games on their 6 year old work PC with Intel integrated graphics. It's ridiculous to expect them to.
It's like expecting Sony to make PS3 games work on a PS2. It's old technology and at some point you have to move on.
It's affordable and many households have it. Especially those who have played the earlier FF titles.
That's the most important thing.. SE really doesn't -need- to get people who never play games in the first place to play this one. IMO anyway.
I'm talking about people whop don't play games and aren't willing to cough up the 300$ and 60$ and 15$ a month to play this game.
I'm talking about the people who hear about it from a friend and have scarcely played any games, let alone MMOs. Maybe played one at a friend's house but isn't willing to buy a dedicated system for it.
At what point are developers allowed to move on and not support 5 year old computers?
A current gen PC with modest specs is going to have a quad core CPU, a pretty decent video card and 4 GB of RAM. FF isn't being targeted towards the Free Realms crowd, it's more of a gamers game. So, no I don't think they are shooting themselves in the foot. FF is the type of game that people who are lagging behind spec-wise decide to upgrade for.
It's not that they shouldn't support 5 year old PCs.
It's about people who don't normally play games and don't have nice computers. People who will play this at work.
Stuff like that.
Game developers probably don't stop and think about the people who will be playing games on their 6 year old work PC with Intel integrated graphics. It's ridiculous to expect them to.
It's like expecting Sony to make PS3 games work on a PS2. It's old technology and at some point you have to move on.
Oh, yeah, most likely, but I'm saying, the argument was misunderstood. That's what the OP is talking about.
But they should take into account that for a game like FF14 that is going to be very social and whatnot, it should be at least considered.
I'm talking about people whop don't play games and aren't willing to cough up the 300$ and 60$ and 15$ a month to play this game.
I'm talking about the people who hear about it from a friend and have scarcely played any games, let alone MMOs. Maybe played one at a friend's house but isn't willing to buy a dedicated system for it.
I don't think that's the market SE is aiming for personally.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
And all of that can be done without redoing the entire graphics engine. I don't see a valid point here, no offense. They increased the graphics and made you see farther. That's cool. Doesn't mean they redid the engine underlying. And I don't know what kind of weird ass 2k PC you have. for 2k I can get the newest graphics card, nearly the best processor, and at least pretty damn good ram with extra money left over for everything else. I don't think you understand what goes into making textures. Textures don't have anything to do with the graphical engine. That usually deals with polygons. Textures are picture files inserted over the model. They can be as detailed or as not detailed as they want, but computers sometimes have problems getting the data quick enough, so they make them higher or lower resolution depending. They didn't make the textures better in northrend and the outlands because they redid the graphics engine. They did it because people's computer could handle it now.
I don't think you read very well.
Also, The PC requirements are not steep now, no. But they were about mid-range 6 years ago. I'm not talking about now. Are you saying you've never had a friend tell you "oh hey, check out this game". If it's accessible to everyone, friends are going to suggest it to other people who don't usually play that sort of thing.
Check.
The graphics engine has been updated 2x and is being overhauled again. Higher res textures have to be rendered, and the updated graphics engine will render them more efficiently and allow you to see them at greater distances.
If you don't believe me about my $2k PC (Core i7 on a X58 slot, 8 GB DDR3 and GTX470 x2) go read around - in populated areas of Northrend, WoW is VERY demanding even from a modern gaming perspective. It's not the same as the vanilla WoW zones.
FFXI was demanding when it came out. Any good game is. PC gaming is not the same as casual gaming. It's NOT known as an accessible experience. Many people choose to spend money on their computer. For others, there are consoles. Cost is the #1 reason that console gaming has always been far more popular than PC gaming.
And please don't tell me that I don't read very well. Just because you have differing opinions (which seem to be something you heard from a friend who heard from some guy who heard from his sister's cousin who works as a tech support at BestBuy) isnt' a reason to insult MY intelligence.
Notice that eveyrone in the thread is arguing with YOU?
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I'm kinda tired of the cartoony look of some games. I don't really care if many peoples will have problems or not with the graphics of FFXIV. It looks good and that's all I care. Those that can't afford a high rig can always choose to play in ps3.
Oh, yeah, most likely, but I'm saying, the argument was misunderstood. That's what the OP is talking about.
But they should take into account that for a game like FF14 that is going to be very social and whatnot, it should be at least considered.
Do you really think that FFXIV is going to be a casual, social experience?
That is the most retarded thing I've read all day browsing FFXIV forums...
Seriously.
Social? Definitely! Reputation goes a long way in FFXI and I expect the same in XIV (especially since most people will stick with 1 toon to save $3 a month). FFXI was always a very social game.
Casual? That depends on your point of view. XI was pretty hardcore and not solo friendly post lvl 20 at all (at least when I played). I don't expect that lvl from XIV, and they have stated as much as well. But I still think a more casual FFXIV will be a bit more hardcore and slow progressing than the pace most players of other MMO's are used to.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Do you really think that FFXIV is going to be a casual, social experience?
Yes, yes I do, because that is what FFXI is, and always has been and thus so will FFXIV. Who knew that being 'social' in an online 'social' environment would be a 'social' affair...
And all of that can be done without redoing the entire graphics engine. I don't see a valid point here, no offense. They increased the graphics and made you see farther. That's cool. Doesn't mean they redid the engine underlying. And I don't know what kind of weird ass 2k PC you have. for 2k I can get the newest graphics card, nearly the best processor, and at least pretty damn good ram with extra money left over for everything else. I don't think you understand what goes into making textures. Textures don't have anything to do with the graphical engine. That usually deals with polygons. Textures are picture files inserted over the model. They can be as detailed or as not detailed as they want, but computers sometimes have problems getting the data quick enough, so they make them higher or lower resolution depending. They didn't make the textures better in northrend and the outlands because they redid the graphics engine. They did it because people's computer could handle it now.
I don't think you read very well.
Also, The PC requirements are not steep now, no. But they were about mid-range 6 years ago. I'm not talking about now. Are you saying you've never had a friend tell you "oh hey, check out this game". If it's accessible to everyone, friends are going to suggest it to other people who don't usually play that sort of thing.
Check.
The graphics engine has been updated 2x and is being overhauled again. Higher res textures have to be rendered, and the updated graphics engine will render them more efficiently and allow you to see them at greater distances.
If you don't believe me about my $2k PC (Core i7 on a X58 slot, 8 GB DDR3 and GTX470 x2) go read around - in populated areas of Northrend, WoW is VERY demanding even from a modern gaming perspective. It's not the same as the vanilla WoW zones.
FFXI was demanding when it came out. Any good game is. PC gaming is not the same as casual gaming. It's NOT known as an accessible experience. Many people choose to spend money on their computer. For others, there are consoles. Cost is the #1 reason that console gaming has always been far more popular than PC gaming.
And please don't tell me that I don't read very well. Just because you have differing opinions (which seem to be something you heard from a friend who heard from some guy who heard from his sister's cousin who works as a tech support at BestBuy) isnt' a reason to insult MY intelligence.
Notice that eveyrone in the thread is arguing with YOU?
Bah, I don't care about that. I'm too stubborn.
I'm not saying that they didn't make better textures. I'm saying that they purposely made the vanilla ones worse so they could run on cheaper computers. Just because one zone loos better than the other doesn't mean they revamped the game. Maybe they might be doing something for the next one. I hope.
Also, I run 60FPS easy on a...I'm not even sure how much it would cost now. Less than 2k. Make 1k. Maybe it's your internet connection.
You seemed to be insulting me pretty easily earlier.
God so many different trains of thought...
ok...
what's next...
Oh yeah. I'm not trying to prove anything. Only that the argument is going in a direction that is not productive or valid in some cases.
Oh, yeah, most likely, but I'm saying, the argument was misunderstood. That's what the OP is talking about.
But they should take into account that for a game like FF14 that is going to be very social and whatnot, it should be at least considered.
Do you really think that FFXIV is going to be a casual, social experience?
That is the most retarded thing I've read all day browsing FFXIV forums...
Seriously.
Social? Definitely! Reputation goes a long way in FFXI and I expect the same in XIV (especially since most people will stick with 1 toon to save $3 a month). FFXI was always a very social game.
Casual? That depends on your point of view. XI was pretty hardcore and not solo friendly post lvl 20 at all (at least when I played). I don't expect that lvl from XIV, and they have stated as much as well. But I still think a more casual FFXIV will be a bit more hardcore and slow progressing than the pace most players of other MMO's are used to.
Well when I said casual, I meant in social aspects. xP
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Hmm. Made my video card fan get pretty loud. Took video card up to 74C (164F). I don't think I've seen any other game get it quite that high. CPU cores up to 47C (116F). Only seemed to use three cores. Score @ high 1920 x 1080:
I'm glad they are pushing graphics. Somebody needs to. I'm tired of seeing the big blocky cartoony WOW look. I also like how the FF Online games have a more subtle color palette. Everyone else is going super saturated. I wasn't able to play the first FF Online game though. Didn't work on my computer at the time for some reason. It was plenty fast just... didn't work. That was the beta though. Never tried retail.
WOW did not have low system requirements. It was on par with what was normal for somewhat new PC's at the time. It's been out almost 6yrs so you have to do the math going back a few years.
Momo sucks, I have proof.
Nope, so many people either don't read the specs or chance it in the hope that their under minimum spec will be able to run it to some degree, there won't be any shortage of people playing at launch, it may well effect their numbers later, but as people upgrade their systems they will try it, I suspect it will be around for a while.
I'm quite (positively) surprised at the quality of discussion in this thread. GJ.
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i dont think those specs are that bad. if you havent got a a 512 mb video, 2 gb of ram, and a duo processor, then you avent bougth a pc in longer then 4 years. My rig is 3 years old, and it still is quite beyond those specs. The only thing i have upgraded is the video card.
My rig is almost 3 years old now, and I got a low 3000 score on the benchmark. People need to start buying better computers if they want to play the newest games. That, or wait until the PS3 version comes out.
What about it?
I really feel bad for game developers. Graphics is such a touchy subject in which they will never get full satisfaction from the playerbase.
1. Some market to the broad but have mediocre at best graphics
2. Some go high-end, but alienate the majority
3. Those who choose the middle will find themselves closer to option 1 by the time the development cycle is complete due to advancing technology
As all technology progresses, I predict there will be this imbalance for quite some time, if not forever.
And all of that can be done without redoing the entire graphics engine. I don't see a valid point here, no offense. They increased the graphics and made you see farther. That's cool. Doesn't mean they redid the engine underlying. And I don't know what kind of weird ass 2k PC you have. for 2k I can get the newest graphics card, nearly the best processor, and at least pretty damn good ram with extra money left over for everything else. I don't think you understand what goes into making textures. Textures don't have anything to do with the graphical engine. That usually deals with polygons. Textures are picture files inserted over the model. They can be as detailed or as not detailed as they want, but computers sometimes have problems getting the data quick enough, so they make them higher or lower resolution depending. They didn't make the textures better in northrend and the outlands because they redid the graphics engine. They did it because people's computer could handle it now.
I don't think you read very well.
Also, The PC requirements are not steep now, no. But they were about mid-range 6 years ago. I'm not talking about now. Are you saying you've never had a friend tell you "oh hey, check out this game". If it's accessible to everyone, friends are going to suggest it to other people who don't usually play that sort of thing.
Check.
It's affordable and many households have it. Especially those who have played the earlier FF titles.
That's the most important thing.. SE really doesn't -need- to get people who never play games in the first place to play this one. IMO anyway.
Game developers probably don't stop and think about the people who will be playing games on their 6 year old work PC with Intel integrated graphics. It's ridiculous to expect them to.
It's like expecting Sony to make PS3 games work on a PS2. It's old technology and at some point you have to move on.
I'm talking about people whop don't play games and aren't willing to cough up the 300$ and 60$ and 15$ a month to play this game.
I'm talking about the people who hear about it from a friend and have scarcely played any games, let alone MMOs. Maybe played one at a friend's house but isn't willing to buy a dedicated system for it.
Oh, yeah, most likely, but I'm saying, the argument was misunderstood. That's what the OP is talking about.
But they should take into account that for a game like FF14 that is going to be very social and whatnot, it should be at least considered.
I don't think that's the market SE is aiming for personally.
The graphics engine has been updated 2x and is being overhauled again. Higher res textures have to be rendered, and the updated graphics engine will render them more efficiently and allow you to see them at greater distances.
If you don't believe me about my $2k PC (Core i7 on a X58 slot, 8 GB DDR3 and GTX470 x2) go read around - in populated areas of Northrend, WoW is VERY demanding even from a modern gaming perspective. It's not the same as the vanilla WoW zones.
FFXI was demanding when it came out. Any good game is. PC gaming is not the same as casual gaming. It's NOT known as an accessible experience. Many people choose to spend money on their computer. For others, there are consoles. Cost is the #1 reason that console gaming has always been far more popular than PC gaming.
And please don't tell me that I don't read very well. Just because you have differing opinions (which seem to be something you heard from a friend who heard from some guy who heard from his sister's cousin who works as a tech support at BestBuy) isnt' a reason to insult MY intelligence.
Notice that eveyrone in the thread is arguing with YOU?
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
I'm kinda tired of the cartoony look of some games. I don't really care if many peoples will have problems or not with the graphics of FFXIV. It looks good and that's all I care. Those that can't afford a high rig can always choose to play in ps3.
So it's going to be completely different form FF11 then?
That's not what I've gotten from all the information.
Social? Definitely! Reputation goes a long way in FFXI and I expect the same in XIV (especially since most people will stick with 1 toon to save $3 a month). FFXI was always a very social game.
Casual? That depends on your point of view. XI was pretty hardcore and not solo friendly post lvl 20 at all (at least when I played). I don't expect that lvl from XIV, and they have stated as much as well. But I still think a more casual FFXIV will be a bit more hardcore and slow progressing than the pace most players of other MMO's are used to.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
They say it's casual, but they're sadists.
When you get too comfortable with the difficulty, they'll throw 5 dragons at you all of a sudden.
Yes, yes I do, because that is what FFXI is, and always has been and thus so will FFXIV. Who knew that being 'social' in an online 'social' environment would be a 'social' affair...
I find it a great move for SE to bring a game that actually makes some good use of highend hardware.
The ones who can'f afford might want to wait for the PS3 release and be happy with it. PS3 has become quite affordable lately.
So I see no problems with the high system req. for the PC version.
From a future perspective you all will be happy about SE's decision to support todays highend systems.
The 5 year old graphics engine will be outdated for about 5 years then instead of 10 like WoW graphics will be.
I hate WoW and what it has done to the MMO genre.
Bah, I don't care about that. I'm too stubborn.
I'm not saying that they didn't make better textures. I'm saying that they purposely made the vanilla ones worse so they could run on cheaper computers. Just because one zone loos better than the other doesn't mean they revamped the game. Maybe they might be doing something for the next one. I hope.
Also, I run 60FPS easy on a...I'm not even sure how much it would cost now. Less than 2k. Make 1k. Maybe it's your internet connection.
You seemed to be insulting me pretty easily earlier.
God so many different trains of thought...
ok...
what's next...
Oh yeah. I'm not trying to prove anything. Only that the argument is going in a direction that is not productive or valid in some cases.
There. That's it.
Sleep time now.
Well when I said casual, I meant in social aspects. xP
Oh god that game was not easy peasy. I know that.
xD
Oh god do I know that.
You think FFXI is a casual, social experience?
Do you think FFXI ran on 5-year-old computers at launch?
heh.
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Played - UO, FFXI, WAR, WoW, EVE
Currently - Bored.
It only took 500 exp to lvl from 1 to 2.
Pinnacle of casual.