Being in the music industry, having my identity plastered all over the official forums isn't something I'm willing to deal with. Not to mention, other than the fact I'm successful in the music industry, if you Google even my first name, it's literally nothing but 3 pages of links to me.
No thanks.
Some people might be OK with it, and that's good for them. Some of us just can't deal with the added bullshit it causes, and I'm one of them. Subscription will stay cancelled and Blizzard games are for the most part on my Blacklist. That's just my stance, tho.
You don't want to deal with it, don't subscribe to their game. Don't support them. Until Blizzard turns this into the industry norm, or standard, my feelings aren't hurt. I have plenty of other titles to choose from. And once this genre resorts to Blizzard ways, I'll head to a more anonymous genre of gaming.
THIS...perfect example. While it wouldn't matter to me who Synthetick is in real life, as I don't drool over anyone famous (well, maybe Vince Gill, my GAWD what a voice! lol! ), seriously there are people who go completely whacko if they get anywhere near someone even remotely famous.
I wouldn't make their lives a living hell, and probably most folks here wouldn't, either. Hell, I'd just say 'awesome', and ask how is yer family doing. I'm a mom, after all, so that's my mindset. But there are definitely fans out there who would flip over such a revelation.
So, even though it may be a 'stretch' to think of high profile peeps being harmed by this, here is just one example. Sure to be a lot more others that just haven't spoken out, even anonymously.
LOTS of reasons this is a bad idea. Will it stop Blizz? Sadly, I don't think anything short of losing a huge portion of their player base and even maybe some lawsuits will put the brakes to this. I will say this, though...if anyone DOES go as far as starting a class action lawsuit against them, I'd be willing to come on board in the interest of stopping this BEFORE it gets so accepted that OTHER games and companies adopt this insane policy.
So Blizzard should cater to the famous people now? Last I heard they want as many people as possible to be able to play their games. It's even one of their strategy "commandments". I don't think famous people is in the majority of people playing their games. They can't cater to everyone, only the vast majority.
You seem to have skipped ove rthe part that sai dthere are LOTS of reasons this is a bad thing, what they mentioned is just yet 1 more example of a bad reason. Lots of negatives, absolutely no positives that couldn't be handled in a much better and less invasive way.
I'd like the same accountability and responsibility found in real life on the Internet. This is a step in that direction. I like it. You don't. It's getting changed no matter. I guess whoever started this argument with me wants me to convert to the "I want to be anonymous" club. It's not going to happen. Sorry.
There are ways doing it without advertising our personal information. Police catch pedophiles, sexual predators and other criminals online all the time. Believe me, the people who need to know your personal information, have easy access to it. Random Joe Paladin from WoW should not be one of those people, unless you voluntarily share that information with him.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other which club you belong to. What would be nice though is acknowledgment that privacy is a valid concern to some people.
Oh, uhm, forgot the last part, sorry. I agree that privacy and security is important. I don't agree that your name is part of that. Of course, that's been my stance the entire time. I'm just summing it up once more.
The problem is, and I hate to bring this argument to a complete circle, but with your name a dedicated person can find other information about you. Information you may want to keep secure. That's the whole point.
It's not the name itself that's important. What's important is protecting the information which can be found when someone knows your name and the best way to do that is keeping the name private.
I still don't agree. If a name were truly as dangerous as you make it sound, we'd all have nicknames in real life too.
In real life, is not accessible to nearly as many people as it is on the internet. You may tell your name to someone you meet at the bar, or a grocery store. Maybe that person will tell his friends but it will still only be a few people. On the internet, especially a popular site, your name is available to thousands of people and not all of them are nice.
Again, I'm tired of this argument. Why is it so hard for you and devil to accept my opinion and let it go?
Participating in the argument is a choice. So is getting upset about your opinion not getting accepted. Just close this thread and move on to the next. Best part about the forums is there's plenty of threads to go troll on. You aren't forced into one topic.
Personally I have no idea why you started crap with me. I must be significant too! Woohoo!
When you generalize your arguments and address a large group of people (11+ million subscribers), those people are at full freedom to attempt at stating their side to you. Learn not to generalize and the issue would be gone. And this is a discussion forum, I suppose I'll go discuss this shit with myself.
I'm not starting crap with you, no more than you are with anyone else. All I did was state my opinion and you won't accept it, or you brush it off and say it's basically insignificant and go back to stressing yours. Productive conversation, eh?
I said...
"My vote: (Yea) People need to see that their are consequences for their actions, it's the only way. - 11.7%
Blizzard pwns internet anonymouty. Good job, Blizzard. It's about time we have a static identifier on the Internet."
And then I get a barrage of "you're wrong, I'm right" posts from people like you, Devil and Heartless. I'm weak-willed and just have a compusion to reply. Trust me, it's very frustrating.
Excuse me? My OP on this thread was post number 431, where I addressed the OP of the thread, not you. You adressed me FIRST in post # 441 and started an arguement with ME, not the other way around. I stated the reasons for my position, and you said " your tired". LOL Get it straight. Now go to your room and go to bed since you are so tired.
I'd like the same accountability and responsibility found in real life on the Internet. This is a step in that direction. I like it. You don't. It's getting changed no matter. I guess whoever started this argument with me wants me to convert to the "I want to be anonymous" club. It's not going to happen. Sorry.
There are ways doing it without advertising our personal information. Police catch pedophiles, sexual predators and other criminals online all the time. Believe me, the people who need to know your personal information, have easy access to it. Random Joe Paladin from WoW should not be one of those people, unless you voluntarily share that information with him.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other which club you belong to. What would be nice though is acknowledgment that privacy is a valid concern to some people.
Oh, uhm, forgot the last part, sorry. I agree that privacy and security is important. I don't agree that your name is part of that. Of course, that's been my stance the entire time. I'm just summing it up once more.
The problem is, and I hate to bring this argument to a complete circle, but with your name a dedicated person can find other information about you. Information you may want to keep secure. That's the whole point.
It's not the name itself that's important. What's important is protecting the information which can be found when someone knows your name and the best way to do that is keeping the name private.
I still don't agree. If a name were truly as dangerous as you make it sound, we'd all have nicknames in real life too.
In real life, is not accessible to nearly as many people as it is on the internet. You may tell your name to someone you meet at the bar, or a grocery store. Maybe that person will tell his friends but it will still only be a few people. On the internet, especially a popular site, your name is available to thousands of people and not all of them are nice.
Again, I'm tired of this argument. Why is it so hard for you and devil to accept my opinion and let it go?
Participating in the argument is a choice. So is getting upset about your opinion not getting accepted. Just close this thread and move on to the next. Best part about the forums is there's plenty of threads to go troll on. You aren't forced into one topic.
Personally I have no idea why you started crap with me. I must be significant too! Woohoo!
When you generalize your arguments and address a large group of people (11+ million subscribers), those people are at full freedom to attempt at stating their side to you. Learn not to generalize and the issue would be gone. And this is a discussion forum, I suppose I'll go discuss this shit with myself.
I'm not starting crap with you, no more than you are with anyone else. All I did was state my opinion and you won't accept it, or you brush it off and say it's basically insignificant and go back to stressing yours. Productive conversation, eh?
I said...
"My vote: (Yea) People need to see that their are consequences for their actions, it's the only way. - 11.7%
Blizzard pwns internet anonymouty. Good job, Blizzard. It's about time we have a static identifier on the Internet."
And then I get a barrage of "you're wrong, I'm right" posts from people like you, Devil and Heartless. I'm weak-willed and just have a compusion to reply. Trust me, it's very frustrating.
Excuse me? My OP on this thread was post number 431, where I addressed the OP of the thread, not you. You adressed me FIRST in post # 441 and started an arguement with ME, not the other way around. I stated the reasons for my position, and you said " your tired". LOL Get it straight. Now go to your room and go to bed since you are so tired.
Yeah, you're right. I accidentally replied to you, and I didn't even mean to. That was meant for someone else.
So Blizzard should cater to the famous people now? Last I heard they want as many people as possible to be able to play their games. It's even one of their strategy "commandments". I don't think famous people is in the majority of people playing their games. They can't cater to everyone, only the vast majority.
wow, nice twisting of what I posted. learn to read?
Do a search on all I've posted on this, and you'll find several places where I have posted various lists of reasons why this is so bad. Celeb exposure is not the biggest factor, but it IS a factor, among all the other identity theft, stalker, pedophile, and nerd rage issues that have already been pointed out.
I'm not going to change your mind. Life will do that when you or someone you care about is harmed. You aren't going to change mine, either, because I've been there, done that with a cyber stalker and know far too many other women who have endured that living hell. It's a reality for us that you've never experienced, and your incapacity to even have any compassion for the consequences others will have to deal with from such a choice being forced on us by not only Blizzard, but other companies if they succeed, is disturbing to say the least.
I'd like the same accountability and responsibility found in real life on the Internet. This is a step in that direction. I like it. You don't. It's getting changed no matter. I guess whoever started this argument with me wants me to convert to the "I want to be anonymous" club. It's not going to happen. Sorry.
There are ways doing it without advertising our personal information. Police catch pedophiles, sexual predators and other criminals online all the time. Believe me, the people who need to know your personal information, have easy access to it. Random Joe Paladin from WoW should not be one of those people, unless you voluntarily share that information with him.
Personally, I don't care one way or the other which club you belong to. What would be nice though is acknowledgment that privacy is a valid concern to some people.
Oh, uhm, forgot the last part, sorry. I agree that privacy and security is important. I don't agree that your name is part of that. Of course, that's been my stance the entire time. I'm just summing it up once more.
The problem is, and I hate to bring this argument to a complete circle, but with your name a dedicated person can find other information about you. Information you may want to keep secure. That's the whole point.
It's not the name itself that's important. What's important is protecting the information which can be found when someone knows your name and the best way to do that is keeping the name private.
I still don't agree. If a name were truly as dangerous as you make it sound, we'd all have nicknames in real life too.
In real life, is not accessible to nearly as many people as it is on the internet. You may tell your name to someone you meet at the bar, or a grocery store. Maybe that person will tell his friends but it will still only be a few people. On the internet, especially a popular site, your name is available to thousands of people and not all of them are nice.
Again, I'm tired of this argument. Why is it so hard for you and devil to accept my opinion and let it go?
Participating in the argument is a choice. So is getting upset about your opinion not getting accepted. Just close this thread and move on to the next. Best part about the forums is there's plenty of threads to go troll on. You aren't forced into one topic.
Personally I have no idea why you started crap with me. I must be significant too! Woohoo!
When you generalize your arguments and address a large group of people (11+ million subscribers), those people are at full freedom to attempt at stating their side to you. Learn not to generalize and the issue would be gone. And this is a discussion forum, I suppose I'll go discuss this shit with myself.
I'm not starting crap with you, no more than you are with anyone else. All I did was state my opinion and you won't accept it, or you brush it off and say it's basically insignificant and go back to stressing yours. Productive conversation, eh?
I said...
"My vote: (Yea) People need to see that their are consequences for their actions, it's the only way. - 11.7%
Blizzard pwns internet anonymouty. Good job, Blizzard. It's about time we have a static identifier on the Internet."
And then I get a barrage of "you're wrong, I'm right" posts from people like you, Devil and Heartless. I'm weak-willed and just have a compusion to reply. Trust me, it's very frustrating.
Excuse me? My OP on this thread was post number 431, where I addressed the OP of the thread, not you. You adressed me FIRST in post # 441 and started an arguement with ME, not the other way around. I stated the reasons for my position, and you said " your tired". LOL Get it straight. Now go to your room and go to bed since you are so tired.
Yeah, you're right. I accidentally replied to you, and I didn't even mean to. That was meant for someone else.
Oh yeah, forgot to say I'm sorry for dragging you in like that. Last thing I wanted.
So what exactly are these concequences you speak of?
I mean having your name displayed on an internet forum is no big deal right?
Could you mean concequences like having your account banned from posting in the forum? Surely they could already do that.
Have your account banned from the game? Again can't they already do that.
Link your forum posts to every character on that account and any accounts that have 2 or more common links like same name and same billing address so those who disagree with you in the forums can take it out on your toons in game? Much much less intrusive ways of doing this.
This is the problem they can already do all the stuff they say they need this RealID stuff for or there are much less intrusive ways of getting the same result.
Or could the concequences be that it's easier to track someone you don't agree with outside the context of the game and grief them in the real world?
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
Originally posted by nexus1g Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by nexus1g
Originally posted by heartless
Originally posted by Zoulz
Originally posted by heartless My point is that if I'm going to avoid playing video games because my potential employer 10 years from now may not hire me because of my hobby, I may as well stop living.
But you don't know that. Or are you psychic? And that is exactly my point. How do I know if anything I do now, will have an adverse effect on anything in the future? I don't. What I do know is that I can minimize any negative issues by not volunteering my personal information everywhere. How about you treat it like real life: If you don't want it getting around, don't do it. But how do I know what to do or not to do? For example, would you consider gaming to be a negative? Or telling a dirty joke to your friend outside of work? Or letting your husband/wife take sexy pictures of you? None of those things are illegal but people have lost their jobs because of them. You're basically saying that I should stop living, whereas an easier solution would be to keep internet private, just how it always was. Here's what you do: Things you feel secure in doing. Here's what you don't do: Things you don't feel secure in doing. I think it was in third grade, a teacher said, "You shouldn't do anything that might be in tomorrow morning's paper for everyone to read, because that may be where it ends up."
You are missing the point.
It should be perfectly acceptable for me to give sexy photographs of myself to someone to whom I am attracted or am trying to attract. It might be less than classy in some cases, but it really should be my prerogative. But should my employer find dirty pictures of a woman that works for them, that could be grounds for dismissal from some places. And it should not be.
The same goes for gaming. Some places might not approve. And that might not be grounds for dismissal, but grounds for dismissal can always be found, if the real reason you want to let someone go would look bad for your corporation.
The point is that people should be able to choose what is and what is not made available to the public. The man that wants to tell everyone his wife's name is Tina is allowed to do that. The man that wants know one to know his or his wife's name, or to know anything about his personal life, should be allowed to do that.
The only solution is to only accept internet venues that allow this. This means boycotting Blizzard because they are bad people. It is really very simple.
But those of you among us saying that if we do not want something made public, we should not be doing it, boggle my mind. We have a right to privacy, so that things in our private lives do not affect our public lives. You are speaking as if you do not understand or accept that concept. Perhaps you live somewhere where they do not have privacy laws?
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I voted for "(Nay) World of Warcraft's popularity and the state of information security make this incredibly dangerous."
I have not played WoW in a very long time and chances were slim that I would ever go back for any long period of time. I did, however, consider resubbing once cata hit just to see some of the new 1-60 content, but nothing past that. I will not go back now unless the RealID and its possible security issues are addressed. This also includes the fact that I was planning on purchasing Diablo 3, I have no plans to pick up this game now if things stay as they are. I have no issues with boycotting a gaming company if my sense of security and identity is up for grabs on the interwebz.
On one hand you could easily just start a new battlenet account and use a bogus name (it can still look legit if you’re not trying to be a smart@$$ about it). I still feel that this new system is completely unnecessary and it does make me feel uncomfortable. I also do not wish to make an account with a bogus name just to feel secure, hence why even have this system in place? The reasoning of cleaning up their forums is just a half assed excuse if you ask me. There are much better ways to go about that without exposing everyone's personal information.
I do understand that the name will only show up on forums and that I don't have to have a friends list but it's pretty obvious that this is just the beginning. Plus there is the fact that I would like to make use of their technical support forums if an issue does arise. Yes I could wait for hours on end using the phone or days of waiting with e-mails but I have always, and still do, prefer forums for these sorts of issues. Considering the fact that if this is successful they will expand upon its use, I'm lookin at you armory >.>
Tinfoil hattery aside I hope Blizz makes the choice to either give people the option to keep their privacy or to can this whole deal altogether.
Guys like this still exist, probably in droves in WoW. Gonna be a hoot when he gets out-rolled on some epic loot and goes datamining for a name in the official forums.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
I play WoW for five years now, I am raid leader and officer in my guild (100+ people), and I will definitely quit WoW when this abomination will go live. Given the history of the Activision-Blizzard merger and the decisions that followed since then, this is only the beginning of a game sold out completely and taken down the road to World of Facebook or worse.
I feel really sorry for the game developers, because there's still much potential (gamewise), and the Cataclysm changes are really promising. But RealID changed everything, and now they are going one step too far by blatantly disregarding the privacy concerns of many gamers. I can only hope that this is not something for others MMOs to adopt once its up and running, but a chance for other companies to not make the same mistakes and to make a difference.
LOL. Well, as with most MMO companies, Blizzard was bound to royally piss off a decent chunk of it's playerbase eventually. While I applaud AN idea that would help clean up the trolling on any forum, THIS idea is just about the stupidest F***ing thing I've ever heard of.
The risk the company is taking, both in potentially lost subscriptions and potential lawsuits, doesn't make any sense just to police their forums. The only rational explanation at all is that its tied to the social network angle they're working to bring in even more money.
As many have brought up, there are a lot of unstable people out there, and worse. It's only a matter of time, once this releases, that something terrible happens, and we ultimately find out that the "WoW killer" wasn't another MMO, but Blizzard's own greed and a very bad management decision.
Mark my words, it will start with a few cyber bullying cases, and end with a young female player being murdered by another player that used RealID to find and stalk her. The story will dominate the headlines, and combined with a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Blizzard, it'll become a PR nightmare that will make the NGE debacle look like a day at the beach.
It amazes me that a company that has amassed the playerbase that WoW has could be this incompetent.
Guess Bl;izzard just joined SOE with the screw over your customer crap. Even SOE didn't sink to this. You buy their crappy product you play by their crappy rules.
And those who say they don't even use their real name when signing up to a contractual agreement to subscribe...you had best hope there is never an issue with your account
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C2C is a guilty pleasure of mine on my 1 hour drive home from work every night. A couple of nights ago, he had on Katherine Albrecht who is a HUGE proponent of privacy. I think she'd be a good person to contact about this, too.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
RealID is bad, if it's implimented as a mandatory service in any sense, forums or otherwise Blizzard will not see another dime from me. SImple as that.
1. real id is optional...sigh so optional means 'not forced to use'
2. anyone that does use it I hope has the common sense to at least use an email addy that does not contain their rlname, as this may actually make it easier for hackers.
3. OPTIONAL - Left to choice; not compulsory or automatic
4. did I mention optional?
With this being optional I am not sure why all the fuss....if it is cause Blizz does what they want when they want...if you are a true wow player you should know by now this is standard practice, get over it...they havent changed the past what 6-+ years with wow...
U havent read up on it. Optional still means it's there, active behind the scenes.
for example: /run for i=1,100 do if BNIsSelf(i)then BNSendWhisper(i,"RealID whisper from yourself..");break end end
And even more absurd, u have to provide your login-name / email-address to the "person" u are adding to your friends list. And u automatically get to see your friends friends, et cetera... Talk about absurd..
1. real id is optional...sigh so optional means 'not forced to use'
2. anyone that does use it I hope has the common sense to at least use an email addy that does not contain their rlname, as this may actually make it easier for hackers.
3. OPTIONAL - Left to choice; not compulsory or automatic
4. did I mention optional?
With this being optional I am not sure why all the fuss....if it is cause Blizz does what they want when they want...if you are a true wow player you should know by now this is standard practice, get over it...they havent changed the past what 6-+ years with wow...
The 'real' posters are afraid that people will hunt them down because they help people. That's why they don't want Real-ID. The rest of the people are simply trolls.
Originally posted by Tedronai
U havent read up on it. Optional still means it's there, active behind the scenes.
for example: /run for i=1,100 do if BNIsSelf(i)then BNSendWhisper(i,"RealID whisper from yourself..");break end end
And even more absurd, u have to provide your login-name / email-address to the "person" u are adding to your friends list. And u automatically get to see your friends friends, et cetera... Talk about absurd..
You haven't read up on it. That's a bug and it's going to get addressed.
If you add them to the regular friends list ( you know, the 'old' one), then they won't be able to see any 'personal' information about you. It's really easy not to use this feature, but I guess it's even easier to just put a blindfold on and rock with the rest on the bandwagon.
1. real id is optional...sigh so optional means 'not forced to use'
2. anyone that does use it I hope has the common sense to at least use an email addy that does not contain their rlname, as this may actually make it easier for hackers.
3. OPTIONAL - Left to choice; not compulsory or automatic
4. did I mention optional?
With this being optional I am not sure why all the fuss....if it is cause Blizz does what they want when they want...if you are a true wow player you should know by now this is standard practice, get over it...they havent changed the past what 6-+ years with wow...
What you're saying is true as of now. The problem is Real ID is going to be implemented on the forums and it's NOT optional, with the sole (and weak) exception of not posting. This would be acceptable if, for instance, Tech Support forums were exempt from Real ID. Lacking any information to the contrary now, it's safe to assume there will be no exemptions. So yeah, you can say "Oh, I don't post on the forums, so that's okay with me.", but what happens when you're completely stumped on a technical issue and are sick of waiting in on hold on the phone for ever? Tough luck. Either stay on hold or post and have your name there for all to see.
I'm a little fuzzy on whether or not linking your name to a character will be a mandatory step, but even if it isn't, I don't do real names in gaming forums. Otherwise, I'd use it here and every other forum I post in.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
The implications are bad enough within this short time-frame, one bug already? Good work.. Of course it's up each person to form an opinion about it but u should give it some serious thought.
shrug behind the scenes or not...if no one else can see it..it doesnt matter..
Names are already added as a variable just no switch so the player can turn it off or on...means nothing..everything that blizz has on you is stored as a variable somewheres.
There is code to handle visa numbers also on the websites as variables, but it is not shown or made public...unless I did miss something else and you macro above makes me think that we are talking about realid being shown in game too...which I did not see posted. Is this an issue also?
I did not know about the friends issue...that is a bit much...I mean some peeps I dont mind being friends with thru wow only..
1. real id is optional...sigh so optional means 'not forced to use'
2. anyone that does use it I hope has the common sense to at least use an email addy that does not contain their rlname, as this may actually make it easier for hackers.
3. OPTIONAL - Left to choice; not compulsory or automatic
4. did I mention optional?
With this being optional I am not sure why all the fuss....if it is cause Blizz does what they want when they want...if you are a true wow player you should know by now this is standard practice, get over it...they havent changed the past what 6-+ years with wow...
1) If you don't like the forums it is. If you do it's LIMITING your choices of what you want to do. So the day your government allows a street to become totally unsafe will you also say: you can just take that other way , it's not like you have to go through that street . Or will you complain and ask them to make it safer again?
2) I have two e-mail adresses , the one i use for official matters does use my real name , why , because my other one might make me look like a retard towards my future bosses/univercity/ army
3) Oh you just wait until they're going to implement it in game , they're thinking about it , just read an article linked somewhere in this thread. And if it will get implemented you may thank people like yourself. Than just wait until you outroll someone or dare to critisize his 1k DPS in ICC . If he's unstable (like quite a few in WoW) , have fun!
4) Did i mention 1) and 3)?
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
Blizzard as already got your name and address. But it all should be on a secure server in accordance with your local law. What they are doing is to advertise real names to the world and this is where the problem is:
1, You company or future employer will be checking on-line for information on you.
2, People might be abused, because of your gender, rage or many other things. This might go as far as been seriously injured or killed.
3, It makes it that much easer for identity frauds, spammers and organised crime.
4, If you currently work in a sensitive industry, school teacher, actor or actress, government official, weapons researcher, etc. Some organised groups deliberately target them. And god help the school teacher, they already have it hard enough.
And there's countless many other reasons why this is a very bad idea. Blizzard are only doing this to cut costs, because they want to save money by not taking responsibility for their own mess. There will be real blood on Blizzard's hands, I can grantee that. I just can't what for them to be sued.
Blizzard as already got your name and address. But it all should be on a secure server in accordance with your local law. What they are doing is to advertise real names to the world and this is where the problem is:
1, You company or future employer will be checking on-line for information on you.
2, People might be abused, because of your gender, rage or many other things. This might go as far as been seriously injured or killed.
3, It makes it that much easer for identity frauds, spammers and organised crime.
4, If you currently work in a sensitive industry, school teacher, actor or actress, government official, weapons researcher, etc. Some organised groups deliberately target them. And god help the school teacher, they already have it hard enough.
And there's countless many other reasons why this is a very bad idea. Blizzard are only doing this to cut costs, because they want to save money by not taking responsibility for their own mess. There will be real blood on Blizzard's hands, I can grantee that. I just can't what for them to be sued.
"any act which causes damage to another obliges him by whose fault it occurred to make reparation and each one is liable for the damage which he causes not only by his own act but also by his negligence or imprudence. The injured party must therefore prove the fault, the damage and the causal link between the fault and the damage."
If someothing goes wrong due to Real ID sueing them is going to be really easy . I'll even add a part of their european EULA:
"whatever the legal basis including tort may be, the following rules apply: Blizzard Entertainment may only be liable in cases of where it is adjudged that Blizzard: (i) engaged in intentionally damaging conduct; (ii) was grossly negligent; and/or (iii) is in breach of the requirements of the Product Liability Act according to statutory law."
(ii) : common sense already proves that with Real ID
(iii): Quoted it above .
So ye , easy sueing . (at least in my country it is) . The only card they can pull is the fact it's optional , well , prepare a good speech, have a good lawyer and convince the court any average consumer would consider the forums as being part of the product . (which is easy as you need to own the game and pay for a subscription to acess it) .
God i have too much free time atm. But i just love internet-drama
PS: it becomes even easier when you hear about the hacked Add-ons who can see your Real ID in game . And you have loads of evidence of people warning blizzard about the dangers of Real ID on ... well , everywhere?
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
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You seem to have skipped ove rthe part that sai dthere are LOTS of reasons this is a bad thing, what they mentioned is just yet 1 more example of a bad reason. Lots of negatives, absolutely no positives that couldn't be handled in a much better and less invasive way.
Excuse me? My OP on this thread was post number 431, where I addressed the OP of the thread, not you. You adressed me FIRST in post # 441 and started an arguement with ME, not the other way around. I stated the reasons for my position, and you said " your tired". LOL Get it straight. Now go to your room and go to bed since you are so tired.
Yeah, you're right. I accidentally replied to you, and I didn't even mean to. That was meant for someone else.
wow, nice twisting of what I posted. learn to read?
Do a search on all I've posted on this, and you'll find several places where I have posted various lists of reasons why this is so bad. Celeb exposure is not the biggest factor, but it IS a factor, among all the other identity theft, stalker, pedophile, and nerd rage issues that have already been pointed out.
I'm not going to change your mind. Life will do that when you or someone you care about is harmed. You aren't going to change mine, either, because I've been there, done that with a cyber stalker and know far too many other women who have endured that living hell. It's a reality for us that you've never experienced, and your incapacity to even have any compassion for the consequences others will have to deal with from such a choice being forced on us by not only Blizzard, but other companies if they succeed, is disturbing to say the least.
Oh yeah, forgot to say I'm sorry for dragging you in like that. Last thing I wanted.
So what exactly are these concequences you speak of?
I mean having your name displayed on an internet forum is no big deal right?
Could you mean concequences like having your account banned from posting in the forum? Surely they could already do that.
Have your account banned from the game? Again can't they already do that.
Link your forum posts to every character on that account and any accounts that have 2 or more common links like same name and same billing address so those who disagree with you in the forums can take it out on your toons in game? Much much less intrusive ways of doing this.
This is the problem they can already do all the stuff they say they need this RealID stuff for or there are much less intrusive ways of getting the same result.
Or could the concequences be that it's easier to track someone you don't agree with outside the context of the game and grief them in the real world?
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
And that is exactly my point. How do I know if anything I do now, will have an adverse effect on anything in the future? I don't. What I do know is that I can minimize any negative issues by not volunteering my personal information everywhere.
How about you treat it like real life: If you don't want it getting around, don't do it.
But how do I know what to do or not to do? For example, would you consider gaming to be a negative? Or telling a dirty joke to your friend outside of work? Or letting your husband/wife take sexy pictures of you? None of those things are illegal but people have lost their jobs because of them.
You're basically saying that I should stop living, whereas an easier solution would be to keep internet private, just how it always was.
Here's what you do: Things you feel secure in doing.
Here's what you don't do: Things you don't feel secure in doing.
I think it was in third grade, a teacher said, "You shouldn't do anything that might be in tomorrow morning's paper for everyone to read, because that may be where it ends up."
You are missing the point.
It should be perfectly acceptable for me to give sexy photographs of myself to someone to whom I am attracted or am trying to attract. It might be less than classy in some cases, but it really should be my prerogative. But should my employer find dirty pictures of a woman that works for them, that could be grounds for dismissal from some places. And it should not be.
The same goes for gaming. Some places might not approve. And that might not be grounds for dismissal, but grounds for dismissal can always be found, if the real reason you want to let someone go would look bad for your corporation.
The point is that people should be able to choose what is and what is not made available to the public. The man that wants to tell everyone his wife's name is Tina is allowed to do that. The man that wants know one to know his or his wife's name, or to know anything about his personal life, should be allowed to do that.
The only solution is to only accept internet venues that allow this. This means boycotting Blizzard because they are bad people. It is really very simple.
But those of you among us saying that if we do not want something made public, we should not be doing it, boggle my mind. We have a right to privacy, so that things in our private lives do not affect our public lives. You are speaking as if you do not understand or accept that concept. Perhaps you live somewhere where they do not have privacy laws?
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
I voted for "(Nay) World of Warcraft's popularity and the state of information security make this incredibly dangerous."
I have not played WoW in a very long time and chances were slim that I would ever go back for any long period of time. I did, however, consider resubbing once cata hit just to see some of the new 1-60 content, but nothing past that. I will not go back now unless the RealID and its possible security issues are addressed. This also includes the fact that I was planning on purchasing Diablo 3, I have no plans to pick up this game now if things stay as they are. I have no issues with boycotting a gaming company if my sense of security and identity is up for grabs on the interwebz.
On one hand you could easily just start a new battlenet account and use a bogus name (it can still look legit if you’re not trying to be a smart@$$ about it). I still feel that this new system is completely unnecessary and it does make me feel uncomfortable. I also do not wish to make an account with a bogus name just to feel secure, hence why even have this system in place? The reasoning of cleaning up their forums is just a half assed excuse if you ask me. There are much better ways to go about that without exposing everyone's personal information.
I do understand that the name will only show up on forums and that I don't have to have a friends list but it's pretty obvious that this is just the beginning. Plus there is the fact that I would like to make use of their technical support forums if an issue does arise. Yes I could wait for hours on end using the phone or days of waiting with e-mails but I have always, and still do, prefer forums for these sorts of issues. Considering the fact that if this is successful they will expand upon its use, I'm lookin at you armory >.>
Tinfoil hattery aside I hope Blizz makes the choice to either give people the option to keep their privacy or to can this whole deal altogether.
So.... um... anyone remember this infamous incident from a few years ago in DAoC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX1Qcflxak0
Guys like this still exist, probably in droves in WoW. Gonna be a hoot when he gets out-rolled on some epic loot and goes datamining for a name in the official forums.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
I play WoW for five years now, I am raid leader and officer in my guild (100+ people), and I will definitely quit WoW when this abomination will go live. Given the history of the Activision-Blizzard merger and the decisions that followed since then, this is only the beginning of a game sold out completely and taken down the road to World of Facebook or worse.
I feel really sorry for the game developers, because there's still much potential (gamewise), and the Cataclysm changes are really promising. But RealID changed everything, and now they are going one step too far by blatantly disregarding the privacy concerns of many gamers. I can only hope that this is not something for others MMOs to adopt once its up and running, but a chance for other companies to not make the same mistakes and to make a difference.
LOL. Well, as with most MMO companies, Blizzard was bound to royally piss off a decent chunk of it's playerbase eventually. While I applaud AN idea that would help clean up the trolling on any forum, THIS idea is just about the stupidest F***ing thing I've ever heard of.
The risk the company is taking, both in potentially lost subscriptions and potential lawsuits, doesn't make any sense just to police their forums. The only rational explanation at all is that its tied to the social network angle they're working to bring in even more money.
As many have brought up, there are a lot of unstable people out there, and worse. It's only a matter of time, once this releases, that something terrible happens, and we ultimately find out that the "WoW killer" wasn't another MMO, but Blizzard's own greed and a very bad management decision.
Mark my words, it will start with a few cyber bullying cases, and end with a young female player being murdered by another player that used RealID to find and stalk her. The story will dominate the headlines, and combined with a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Blizzard, it'll become a PR nightmare that will make the NGE debacle look like a day at the beach.
It amazes me that a company that has amassed the playerbase that WoW has could be this incompetent.
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Guess Bl;izzard just joined SOE with the screw over your customer crap. Even SOE didn't sink to this. You buy their crappy product you play by their crappy rules.
And those who say they don't even use their real name when signing up to a contractual agreement to subscribe...you had best hope there is never an issue with your account
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Video games are being discussed as we post now on overnight radio show C2C. World of Warcraft is being discussed somewhat but not the RealID thus far. Lets send George a few messages about what is going on Click fast blast on the top here http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
C2C is a guilty pleasure of mine on my 1 hour drive home from work every night. A couple of nights ago, he had on Katherine Albrecht who is a HUGE proponent of privacy. I think she'd be a good person to contact about this, too.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
George is astounded by the concept of gold farming wait until he learns about RealID.
Edit: They are talking about stalkers and the gamer that got knifed by a stalker now who hunted him down using pieces of his identity.
In retrospect, I retract my statement.
RealID is bad, if it's implimented as a mandatory service in any sense, forums or otherwise Blizzard will not see another dime from me. SImple as that.
Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.
1. real id is optional...sigh so optional means 'not forced to use'
2. anyone that does use it I hope has the common sense to at least use an email addy that does not contain their rlname, as this may actually make it easier for hackers.
3. OPTIONAL - Left to choice; not compulsory or automatic
4. did I mention optional?
With this being optional I am not sure why all the fuss....if it is cause Blizz does what they want when they want...if you are a true wow player you should know by now this is standard practice, get over it...they havent changed the past what 6-+ years with wow...
U havent read up on it. Optional still means it's there, active behind the scenes.
for example: /run for i=1,100 do if BNIsSelf(i)then BNSendWhisper(i,"RealID whisper from yourself..");break end end
And even more absurd, u have to provide your login-name / email-address to the "person" u are adding to your friends list. And u automatically get to see your friends friends, et cetera... Talk about absurd..
The 'real' posters are afraid that people will hunt them down because they help people. That's why they don't want Real-ID. The rest of the people are simply trolls.
You haven't read up on it. That's a bug and it's going to get addressed.
If you add them to the regular friends list ( you know, the 'old' one), then they won't be able to see any 'personal' information about you. It's really easy not to use this feature, but I guess it's even easier to just put a blindfold on and rock with the rest on the bandwagon.
Eleanor Rigby.
What you're saying is true as of now. The problem is Real ID is going to be implemented on the forums and it's NOT optional, with the sole (and weak) exception of not posting. This would be acceptable if, for instance, Tech Support forums were exempt from Real ID. Lacking any information to the contrary now, it's safe to assume there will be no exemptions. So yeah, you can say "Oh, I don't post on the forums, so that's okay with me.", but what happens when you're completely stumped on a technical issue and are sick of waiting in on hold on the phone for ever? Tough luck. Either stay on hold or post and have your name there for all to see.
I'm a little fuzzy on whether or not linking your name to a character will be a mandatory step, but even if it isn't, I don't do real names in gaming forums. Otherwise, I'd use it here and every other forum I post in.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
The implications are bad enough within this short time-frame, one bug already? Good work.. Of course it's up each person to form an opinion about it but u should give it some serious thought.
shrug behind the scenes or not...if no one else can see it..it doesnt matter..
Names are already added as a variable just no switch so the player can turn it off or on...means nothing..everything that blizz has on you is stored as a variable somewheres.
There is code to handle visa numbers also on the websites as variables, but it is not shown or made public...unless I did miss something else and you macro above makes me think that we are talking about realid being shown in game too...which I did not see posted. Is this an issue also?
I did not know about the friends issue...that is a bit much...I mean some peeps I dont mind being friends with thru wow only..
I don't need Leeroy emailing me at home .
1) If you don't like the forums it is. If you do it's LIMITING your choices of what you want to do. So the day your government allows a street to become totally unsafe will you also say: you can just take that other way , it's not like you have to go through that street . Or will you complain and ask them to make it safer again?
2) I have two e-mail adresses , the one i use for official matters does use my real name , why , because my other one might make me look like a retard towards my future bosses/univercity/ army
3) Oh you just wait until they're going to implement it in game , they're thinking about it , just read an article linked somewhere in this thread. And if it will get implemented you may thank people like yourself. Than just wait until you outroll someone or dare to critisize his 1k DPS in ICC . If he's unstable (like quite a few in WoW) , have fun!
4) Did i mention 1) and 3)?
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
Blizzard as already got your name and address. But it all should be on a secure server in accordance with your local law. What they are doing is to advertise real names to the world and this is where the problem is:
1, You company or future employer will be checking on-line for information on you.
2, People might be abused, because of your gender, rage or many other things. This might go as far as been seriously injured or killed.
3, It makes it that much easer for identity frauds, spammers and organised crime.
4, If you currently work in a sensitive industry, school teacher, actor or actress, government official, weapons researcher, etc. Some organised groups deliberately target them. And god help the school teacher, they already have it hard enough.
And there's countless many other reasons why this is a very bad idea. Blizzard are only doing this to cut costs, because they want to save money by not taking responsibility for their own mess. There will be real blood on Blizzard's hands, I can grantee that. I just can't what for them to be sued.
"any act which causes damage to another obliges him by whose fault it occurred to make reparation and each one is liable for the damage which he causes not only by his own act but also by his negligence or imprudence. The injured party must therefore prove the fault, the damage and the causal link between the fault and the damage."
If someothing goes wrong due to Real ID sueing them is going to be really easy . I'll even add a part of their european EULA:
"whatever the legal basis including tort may be, the following rules apply: Blizzard Entertainment may only be liable in cases of where it is adjudged that Blizzard: (i) engaged in intentionally damaging conduct; (ii) was grossly negligent; and/or (iii) is in breach of the requirements of the Product Liability Act according to statutory law."
(ii) : common sense already proves that with Real ID
(iii): Quoted it above .
So ye , easy sueing . (at least in my country it is) . The only card they can pull is the fact it's optional , well , prepare a good speech, have a good lawyer and convince the court any average consumer would consider the forums as being part of the product . (which is easy as you need to own the game and pay for a subscription to acess it) .
God i have too much free time atm. But i just love internet-drama
PS: it becomes even easier when you hear about the hacked Add-ons who can see your Real ID in game . And you have loads of evidence of people warning blizzard about the dangers of Real ID on ... well , everywhere?
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.