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Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

I haven't seen any reviews on Mortal Online from the large gaming sites.  This seems odd as other games such as APB have launched since MO and have been reviewed.   Did I miss them?  Anyone have links?  Any thoughts on the (seeming) lack of reviews?

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  • Konner920Konner920 Member UncommonPosts: 295

    I don't think many sites review games that don't get much attention.

     

    how many people even play this these days? I actually enjoyed the open beta when people could play.. just really buggy.

     

    http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/67137.aspx

     

    Here's one.

  • GTwanderGTwander Member UncommonPosts: 6,035

    I'm interested in seeing one of the usual writers from this site handle a review on it, because they can't word it like your average cretin, and will most likely point out all it's high points and faults in tandem.

    Do not take any player's word for it as is, they are at either extreme.

    I'd give an honest review, and have during my open beta days with it, but it just got stomped on by the hater-side of the extreme. The fanboi's steered clear.

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  • thorppesthorppes Member Posts: 452

    Originally posted by Konner920

    I don't think many sites review games that don't get much attention.

     

    how many people even play this these days? I actually enjoyed the open beta when people could play.. just really buggy.

     

    http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/67137.aspx

     

    Here's one.

    It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.

  • PoopBucketPoopBucket Member Posts: 66

    Originally posted by thorppes

    Originally posted by Konner920

    I don't think many sites review games that don't get much attention.

     

    how many people even play this these days? I actually enjoyed the open beta when people could play.. just really buggy.

     

    http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/67137.aspx

     

    Here's one.

    It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.


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    Join Date: Jun 2010




     




    default Where can I find PvP? Server Dead?




    Made many runs to Kranesh, saw 1 blue, otherwise quiet.

    Ran around Gaul-kor about 20 times this week, didn't see anyone.

    Wandered around Fabernum a few times, saw some gatherers.

    Spent a few hours during prime time at Kranesh bridge, other than a few people who just happened to crash as I chased them *ahem*, didn't see anyone.

    Even the pigs at Meduli have only 1-3 people at them at any given time.



    So where does the PvP happen?

  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730

    Originally posted by PoopBucket

    Originally posted by thorppes

    Originally posted by Konner920

    I don't think many sites review games that don't get much attention.

     

    how many people even play this these days? I actually enjoyed the open beta when people could play.. just really buggy.

     

    http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/67137.aspx

     

    Here's one.

    It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.


    Old Yesterday, 22:50

      #1 (permalink)



    Newbie


     


    Join Date: Jun 2010




     




    default Where can I find PvP? Server Dead?




    Made many runs to Kranesh, saw 1 blue, otherwise quiet.

    Ran around Gaul-kor about 20 times this week, didn't see anyone.

    Wandered around Fabernum a few times, saw some gatherers.

    Spent a few hours during prime time at Kranesh bridge, other than a few people who just happened to crash as I chased them *ahem*, didn't see anyone.

    Even the pigs at Meduli have only 1-3 people at them at any given time.



    So where does the PvP happen?

     

    One over-used post proves nothing.  If you'd bother to follow that thread, you'd find people that both agree and, just as importantly, disagree with the OP's thoughts.

    Fortunately, and sometimes unfortunately (for me), I haven't had problems finding other people to fight against.  The world appears to be populated pretty well to me.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • thorppesthorppes Member Posts: 452

    Originally posted by PoopBucket

    Originally posted by thorppes


    Originally posted by Konner920

    I don't think many sites review games that don't get much attention.

     

    how many people even play this these days? I actually enjoyed the open beta when people could play.. just really buggy.

     

    http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/mmo/reviews/67137.aspx

     

    Here's one.

    It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.


    Old Yesterday, 22:50

      #1 (permalink)



    Newbie


     



    Join Date: Jun 2010




     




    default Where can I find PvP? Server Dead?




    Made many runs to Kranesh, saw 1 blue, otherwise quiet.

    Ran around Gaul-kor about 20 times this week, didn't see anyone.

    Wandered around Fabernum a few times, saw some gatherers.

    Spent a few hours during prime time at Kranesh bridge, other than a few people who just happened to crash as I chased them *ahem*, didn't see anyone.

    Even the pigs at Meduli have only 1-3 people at them at any given time.



    So where does the PvP happen?

    I live in the least populated town in MO and it's always active with 20+ players when I log in, it's the least popular because you can not start there.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by thorppes

     

    It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.

     OK.. you don't like that review.  Are there any reviews out from a major gaming site that you feel accurately portray Mortal Online?  Not only have I not seen any fair ones.. I haven't seen any at all!   I've been checking... I've seen some for games that released after MO like APB... but no sign of any MO reviews.  If you know of any please point me in their direction.

     

    Thanks!

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  • ToferioToferio Member UncommonPosts: 1,411

    Originally posted by thorppes

     

    It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.

    Lmao, only because it doesnt praise MO through entire post as you fans would like it to, doesn't mean it's bad. I though it was pretty spoton, all have different opinios.

  • osmundaosmunda Member Posts: 1,087

    Originally posted by Toferio

    Originally posted by thorppes                                                                                                                                                                   It's been clearly pointed out that isn't a review just a piece of garbage failing to get simple facts straight.

    As for population the world is populated nicely.

    Lmao, only because it doesnt praise MO through entire post as you fans would like it to, doesn't mean it's bad. I though it was pretty spoton, all have different opinios.

    If you really want a more detailed account of the faults with that review, feel free to review the thread discussing it when it was first written. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/274803

    For a much shorter critique---   The article was written in early April and gave no indication at that time that the game was still in beta ( you can check that by looking at the last page of the comments section).  It is currently labeled as being written June 3rd, purely for search engine optimization.  That means that it presents itself as a review of the game just before release, but fails to reflect 2 months of development time, including implementing a newer version of Atlas (http://www.epicgameschina.com/index_press_ct_htm.htm?id=198)  which had significant impact on desynch issues and lag.

  • osmundaosmunda Member Posts: 1,087

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    I haven't seen any reviews on Mortal Online from the large gaming sites.  This seems odd as other games such as APB have launched since MO and have been reviewed.   Did I miss them?  Anyone have links?  Any thoughts on the (seeming) lack of reviews?

    It's a niche game, meaning the review would  have a fairly small target audience. 

    Additionally, it's kind of prickly to review.  Many things that would be negative in your average theme-park game  are intentional design decisions.

    IIRC, Seraphina at Massively  is supposed to give an overview of the game,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

  • consortitudeconsortitude Member Posts: 36

    The gaming sites I frequent only review games that are worth reviewing.  Until SV gets the server to stop crashing every 10-20 minutes and get rid of the horrid lag issues the game has as well as the almost barren world they have created, I just don't see any reputable game site taking the time or manpower to review it (and that might be for the better if you work at SV).

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by osmunda

     

    IIRC, Seraphina at Massively  is supposed to give an overview of the game,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

     I just looked at Massively but I couldn't find a review.  Has it been posted yet?  Or have there been any other reviews by regular gaming sites?  Going on 2 months now since release.. and I know they had their big marketing push on Gamespot but TBH I never saw an ad and don't see any reviews..

     

    Am I missing them or are there still no real gaming site reviews as of now?

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  • raff01raff01 Member Posts: 453

    Thing is, game has so little population that nobody will make any reviews...Which I think will benefit StarVault as I think most reviews from main sites such as Eurogamer would bash the game pretty hard.

  • ange10ange10 Member Posts: 307

    The game just keeps changing so fast.

    Your write a review up then next thing you know the pvp is totally different.

    Or they bought in advanced AI which roam around towns etc.

    Patches come every 2-3 days and this week  massive content patches are coming today and next monday.

     

    Also they are still waiting for a patch from epic for the AI or something like that, but yeah they can't do much but they fixed a few ploblems themselves instead of relying on Epics knowledge of thier own engine lol.

     

  • raff01raff01 Member Posts: 453

    Originally posted by ange10

    The game just keeps changing so fast.

    Your write a review up then next thing you know the pvp is totally different.

    Or they bought in advanced AI which roam around towns etc.

    Patches come every 2-3 days and this week  massive content patches are coming today and next monday.

     

    Also they are still waiting for a patch from epic for the AI or something like that, but yeah they can't do much but they fixed a few ploblems themselves instead of relying on Epics knowledge of thier own engine lol.

     

     

    Honestly, in spite of all the patching, it still feels the same. World is still as empty, AI is still as unresponsive and bugged, combat still feels very stiff, and there still is as little to do in game and you just end up finding yourself PvPing in a guild vs another guild.

  • thorppesthorppes Member Posts: 452

    I guess SV would want to wait a few months before allowing reviewers in, SV themselves know it's a rough diamond at the moment.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by ange10

    The game just keeps changing so fast.

    Your write a review up then next thing you know the pvp is totally different.

    Or they bought in advanced AI which roam around towns etc.

    Patches come every 2-3 days and this week  massive content patches are coming today and next monday.

     

    Also they are still waiting for a patch from epic for the AI or something like that, but yeah they can't do much but they fixed a few ploblems themselves instead of relying on Epics knowledge of thier own engine lol.

     

     Which all should be part of any review...  That's the pint of a review, to let prospective buyers know the state of the game.

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  • thorppesthorppes Member Posts: 452

    Originally posted by Slapshot1188

    Originally posted by ange10

    The game just keeps changing so fast.

    Your write a review up then next thing you know the pvp is totally different.

    Or they bought in advanced AI which roam around towns etc.

    Patches come every 2-3 days and this week  massive content patches are coming today and next monday.

     

    Also they are still waiting for a patch from epic for the AI or something like that, but yeah they can't do much but they fixed a few ploblems themselves instead of relying on Epics knowledge of thier own engine lol.

     

     Which all should be part of any review...  That's the pint of a review, to let prospective buyers know the state of the game.

    The point being the current state of the game changes too fast to review properly, in the time a reviewer would have gained enough play time to review each feature in the game properly there would of probably been 2-3 decent sized content patches.

    Take today for example, you could publish a review now. You could say each weapon has a lack of variation apart from damage, speed and range. You could say it's tedious to go back and forth with heavy rocks. You could say mounted combat isn't fleshed out enough yet. A reviewer could say trade can be hard to come by at points during the day.

    HOWEVER all of the above would be invalid after todays patch. -Weapon moves -Tabards -Deployable extraction sites -Player vendors

    So yes you could review it but a week or two later it'd be a poor review that doesn't reflect the game at all because it's improving that fast.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,724

    Originally posted by thorppes

     Which all should be part of any review...  That's the pint of a review, to let prospective buyers know the state of the game.

    The point being the current state of the game changes too fast to review properly, in the time a reviewer would have gained enough play time to review each feature in the game properly there would of probably been 2-3 decent sized content patches.

    Take today for example, you could publish a review now. You could say each weapon has a lack of variation apart from damage, speed and range. You could say it's tedious to go back and forth with heavy rocks. You could say mounted combat isn't fleshed out enough yet. A reviewer could say trade can be hard to come by at points during the day.

    HOWEVER all of the above would be invalid after todays patch. -Weapon moves -Tabards -Deployable extraction sites -Player vendors

    So yes you could review it but a week or two later it'd be a poor review that doesn't reflect the game at all because it's improving that fast.

     No.. the POINT being that if a game is changing "too fast to review properly" 2 months after release.. that ALONE is something that is review-worthy!  The game launched 2 months ago.  If it has needed such dramatic overhauls AFTER release that is something that should certainly be included in any review.   Many review sites will also go back in 6 months or a year and provide an update...

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  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    To be honest I think the devs (and fans) should be happy this game has not been reviewed yet. If it would then it would probably get worse rates then Darkfall did in Eurogamers first review. Because this game is in much worse state then Darkfall was then.

  • thorppesthorppes Member Posts: 452

    Originally posted by Yamota

    To be honest I think the devs (and fans) should be happy this game has not been reviewed yet. If it would then it would probably get worse rates then Darkfall did in Eurogamers first review. Because this game is in much worse state then Darkfall was then.

    We could go into a MO - DFO debate but lets not. I don't think a reviewer would view this game in good light at the moment I'm going to say it again. MO is a rough diamond, it has the vision and it's improving at a great speed which has keep many subscribing.

    As fo the Eurogamers first review, that guy only played the DFO for a couple of hours....

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Originally posted by thorppes

    Originally posted by Yamota

    To be honest I think the devs (and fans) should be happy this game has not been reviewed yet. If it would then it would probably get worse rates then Darkfall did in Eurogamers first review. Because this game is in much worse state then Darkfall was then.

    We could go into a MO - DFO debate but lets not. I don't think a reviewer would view this game in good light at the moment I'm going to say it again. MO is a rough diamond, it has the vision and it's improving at a great speed which has keep many subscribing.

    As fo the Eurogamers first review, that guy only played the DFO for a couple of hours....

    You only need a few hours to see if a game is sheit.


    1. UI - Can be seen quite quickly that it is poor

    2. GFX - can be rather quickly seen if it is good or not

    3. Bugs - If you find many bugs in a few hours play you can get a good estimate on how buggy the game is

    4. Community - Both forums and IG can give you a good indication of that, dont need to find best friends to judge the community.

    5. Combat - Should not need to be high level to see that the combat is crap

    6. Instability - If the server frequently goes down during those few hours you can get a good idea on how stable the game is

    And so on....


     


    The point is you dont need to spend a month to see if a game is crap. The only thing that is good with MO is, as the review indicated, the concept. The execution however is terrible and this gives an indication that the persons behind the game does not have the talent, nor the resources, to pull this game off.

  • thorppesthorppes Member Posts: 452

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by thorppes


    Originally posted by Yamota

    To be honest I think the devs (and fans) should be happy this game has not been reviewed yet. If it would then it would probably get worse rates then Darkfall did in Eurogamers first review. Because this game is in much worse state then Darkfall was then.

    We could go into a MO - DFO debate but lets not. I don't think a reviewer would view this game in good light at the moment I'm going to say it again. MO is a rough diamond, it has the vision and it's improving at a great speed which has keep many subscribing.

    As fo the Eurogamers first review, that guy only played the DFO for a couple of hours....

    You only need a few hours to see if a game is sheit.


    1. UI - Can be seen quite quickly that it is poor

    2. GFX - can be rather quickly seen if it is good or not

    3. Bugs - If you find many bugs in a few hours play you can get a good estimate on how buggy the game is

    4. Community - Both forums and IG can give you a good indication of that, dont need to find best friends to judge the community.

    5. Combat - Should not need to be high level to see that the combat is crap

    6. Instability - If the server frequently goes down during those few hours you can get a good idea on how stable the game is

    And so on....


     


    The point is you dont need to spend a month to see if a game is crap. The only thing that is good with MO is, as the review indicated, the concept. The execution however is terrible and this gives an indication that the persons behind the game does not have the talent, nor the resources, to pull this game off.

    UI - Will be changed but yes is poor

    GFX - I like them... spells especially

    Bugs - It's not like everything is bugged, only a few things. Nothing game breaking.

    Community - Usually mature and friendly

    Combat - Changes every patch, today slowed down. We'll see what people think within the coming week. But they did ask for slower combat.

    Instability - Still a little instable goes down once every several hours on average now I'd guess

    As for your next paragraph what MO review? We were talking about the Eurogamer review for DFO when it came out.

  • ErstokErstok Member Posts: 523

    People are biased in general. You are either going to like a review, hate it, or just not care about it at all.

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    When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?

  • BuniontToesBuniontToes Member Posts: 529

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by thorppes


    Originally posted by Yamota

    To be honest I think the devs (and fans) should be happy this game has not been reviewed yet. If it would then it would probably get worse rates then Darkfall did in Eurogamers first review. Because this game is in much worse state then Darkfall was then.

    We could go into a MO - DFO debate but lets not. I don't think a reviewer would view this game in good light at the moment I'm going to say it again. MO is a rough diamond, it has the vision and it's improving at a great speed which has keep many subscribing.

    As fo the Eurogamers first review, that guy only played the DFO for a couple of hours....

    You only need a few hours to see if a game is sheit.


    1. UI - Can be seen quite quickly that it is poor

    2. GFX - can be rather quickly seen if it is good or not

    3. Bugs - If you find many bugs in a few hours play you can get a good estimate on how buggy the game is

    4. Community - Both forums and IG can give you a good indication of that, dont need to find best friends to judge the community.

    5. Combat - Should not need to be high level to see that the combat is crap

    6. Instability - If the server frequently goes down during those few hours you can get a good idea on how stable the game is

    And so on....


     


    The point is you dont need to spend a month to see if a game is crap. The only thing that is good with MO is, as the review indicated, the concept. The execution however is terrible and this gives an indication that the persons behind the game does not have the talent, nor the resources, to pull this game off.

    The problem with the EG review of DFO had nothing to do with the actuals flaws in DFO.  It was that the EG reviewer simply made up stuff which was not true.  On it's face it was factually incorrect.

     

    Also,

     

    UI - If it is different does that make it poor?  Can you REALLY evaluate a new UI in 1 hr play time (the rest was spent in the character generator)

    GFX - Aren't these subjective?  can you evaluate world graphics without experiencing the world?

    BUGS - It would be great if a reveiwer mentioned bugs, but the reality as that the EG review did not even experience any actual bugs.

    COMBAT - No.  You cannot tell how combat will feel starting out in any game including WoW or DFO

    INSTABILTY - How can you tell if a game is unstable if you only play a couple hours?

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