I haven't seen any reviews on Mortal Online from the large gaming sites. This seems odd as other games such as APB have launched since MO and have been reviewed. Did I miss them? Anyone have links? Any thoughts on the (seeming) lack of reviews?
Its probably because SV doesnt buy any Advertisement Time on sites.
Thats why sites like Massively, IGN, Fileplanet, MMORPG, etc havent reviewed it.
SV hasnt given them any money.
APB had tons of flash ads running all the time on many sites.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Its probably because SV doesnt buy any Advertisement Time on sites.
Thats why sites like Massively, IGN, Fileplanet, MMORPG, etc havent reviewed it.
SV hasnt given them any money.
APB had tons of flash ads running all the time on many sites.
Maybe we should tell Henrick to stop saying that they have a big marketing push on Gamespot then?
Until now, limited targeted marketing activities carried out, these will be expanded in June with a campaign on www.gamespot.com , which is one of the major gaming sites, where many potential customers make their decisions about which games they will buy.
The game doesn't need reviewing yet. We were warned it would be a rough ride but we're getting major updates every week, to link back to the topic of reviewing; the game can not be reviewed properly until it settles down and stops changing so majorly so quickly. As i've said before the review wouldn't give true light on what the game is a couple of weeks after being posted.
You say combat is too fast - combat majorly slowed today.
You say housing has no purpose - benches, extractors, stables, vendors, territory control all tied in a couple of weeks later (An example only. We already have most of these)
You say it has so and so bugs - constantly getting fixed every week usually with the introduction of a few others.
The game doesn't need reviewing yet. We were warned it would be a rough ride but we're getting major updates every week, to link back to the topic of reviewing; the game can not be reviewed properly until it settles down and stops changing so majorly so quickly. As i've said before the review wouldn't give true light on what the game is a couple of weeks after being posted.
You say combat is too fast - combat majorly slowed today.
You say housing has no purpose - benches, extractors, stables, vendors, territory control all tied in a couple of weeks later (An example only. We already have most of these)
You say it has so and so bugs - constantly getting fixed every week usually with the introduction of a few others.
No review would stand true for more than a week.
Reviews are made on the status of the game at the time of review. If it's charging people money.. that means it's released.. which means it SHOULD be reviewed. If it's not ready to be reviewed it should be in beta and not charging people.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
The game doesn't need reviewing yet. We were warned it would be a rough ride but we're getting major updates every week, to link back to the topic of reviewing; the game can not be reviewed properly until it settles down and stops changing so majorly so quickly. As i've said before the review wouldn't give true light on what the game is a couple of weeks after being posted.
You say combat is too fast - combat majorly slowed today.
You say housing has no purpose - benches, extractors, stables, vendors, territory control all tied in a couple of weeks later (An example only. We already have most of these)
You say it has so and so bugs - constantly getting fixed every week usually with the introduction of a few others.
No review would stand true for more than a week.
Reviews are made on the status of the game at the time of review. If it's charging people money.. that means it's released.. which means it SHOULD be reviewed. If it's not ready to be reviewed it should be in beta and not charging people.
And whats the point on making a review on the status of the game when the game changes so fast.
Yes the game is released, I never said it wasn't. Not ready to be reviewed and not suitable for reviewing are different things. Reviews are supposed to be accurate to reflect the true nature of the game. A review made can not be accurate for more than two weeks for reasons already mentioned.
If you want opinions on the game and how things are simply go and post on the Mortal Online forums. You can't demand for an official review, it will come when it does.
And whats the point on making a review on the status of the game when the game changes so fast.
Yes the game is released, I never said it wasn't. Not ready to be reviewed and not suitable for reviewing are different things. Reviews are supposed to be accurate to reflect the true nature of the game. A review made can not be accurate for more than two weeks for reasons already mentioned.
If you want opinions on the game and how things are simply go and post on the Mortal Online forums. You can't demand for an official review, it will come when it does.
So by this standard NO game should ever be reviewed at release? As long as they are making changes to the game it should not be reviewed...?
No.. sorry.. don't agree at all. Thats why review sites go back in 6 months or a year and give an update on whats changed and re-review titles...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
And whats the point on making a review on the status of the game when the game changes so fast.
Yes the game is released, I never said it wasn't. Not ready to be reviewed and not suitable for reviewing are different things. Reviews are supposed to be accurate to reflect the true nature of the game. A review made can not be accurate for more than two weeks for reasons already mentioned.
If you want opinions on the game and how things are simply go and post on the Mortal Online forums. You can't demand for an official review, it will come when it does.
So by this standard NO game should ever be reviewed at release? As long as they are making changes to the game it should not be reviewed...?
No.. sorry.. don't agree at all. Thats why review sites go back in 6 months or a year and give an update on whats changed and re-review titles...
I can't think of games that changed so rapidly after release.
The only fair way to review a rapidly changing and expanding MMO would be to review after each patch. I would say after the last couple of patches this is a damn good game, by far the best sandbox MMO out there right now.
Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!
The only fair way to review a rapidly changing and expanding MMO would be to review after each patch. I would say after the last couple of patches this is a damn good game, by far the best sandbox MMO out there right now.
Fair? They RELEASED already... They are charging people...
I think it's very UNfair that people (not everyone, but a select/vocal few) portray the game as a bed of roses when it's hemoraging players. Even longtime Closed Beta Group A players are posting their farewells on the official forums and posting multipage feedback threads using phrases like "I plan to rip MO apart; and 3 posts is not going to be enough".
I am sure that every game would like extra time to "fix" things and change stuff after release before they get reviewed. MO is not in any way special in that regard. You don't think Darkfall would get a better review after their big DF2010 expansion? Sure it would.. but that is NOT the game that they launched with... Same with WARHAMMER
Sorry.. if the game is ready for release it's ready for review. If you'd like a re-review in 6 months ask for one then. Preaching about how wonderful a game is but then claiming that it would be unfair to review the game in it's current state just seems very disingenuous to me...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
The only fair way to review a rapidly changing and expanding MMO would be to review after each patch. I would say after the last couple of patches this is a damn good game, by far the best sandbox MMO out there right now.
Except its neither good, nor sandbox. Sandbox would be a game where the only endgoal wouldn't be just to PvP.
The only fair way to review a rapidly changing and expanding MMO would be to review after each patch. I would say after the last couple of patches this is a damn good game, by far the best sandbox MMO out there right now.
Except its neither good, nor sandbox. Sandbox would be a game where the only endgoal wouldn't be just to PvP.
Sandbox is the intention, SV knows the game isn't in a polished state right now and their working on getting it there. Slowly adding bits of fluff and other things to help boost trading and PvR. If SV turned around and said, we're happy with other features except for PvP then i'd agree with you. More time is needed. Do note there are plenty of people in MO that don't PvP at all and enjoy the game, it's not ALL pvp.
It is becoming very apparent with the "Secret Forums" and such that the dev's vision for the game is either non existant or completely off kilter from what they initially envisioned. They are basically asking the people for ideas and then throwing them in and hoping everything fits together.
Some people will argue that this is "good, they listen to the community." The problem is, the community has no clue how things will work in game or how it will fit in the overall scheme and you end up with a hodgepoge of broken mechanics that make the game miserable for all. On top of that, you get changes that favor one group or another or that completely screw up character builds (like the change in attribute points for height) which casuses headaches and mass exodus from the game.
I don't understand what happened to the original ideas the devs had, by they seem to have either forgotten them or went into complete panic mode and are trying anything to keep people around.
The game doesn't have even unblanaced but fun combat. They released too soon with broken mechanics. That may be their biggest mistake.
It is becoming very apparent with the "Secret Forums" and such that the dev's vision for the game is either non existant or completely off kilter from what they initially envisioned. They are basically asking the people for ideas and then throwing them in and hoping everything fits together.
Some people will argue that this is "good, they listen to the community." The problem is, the community has no clue how things will work in game or how it will fit in the overall scheme and you end up with a hodgepoge of broken mechanics that make the game miserable for all. On top of that, you get changes that favor one group or another or that completely screw up character builds (like the change in attribute points for height) which casuses headaches and mass exodus from the game.
I don't understand what happened to the original ideas the devs had, by they seem to have either forgotten them or went into complete panic mode and are trying anything to keep people around.
The game doesn't have even unblanaced but fun combat. They released too soon with broken mechanics. That may be their biggest mistake.
Having a core group of "mature", dedicated gamers to bounce ideas off of is not a bad idea. This does not mean that they knee jerk to every demand or request.
I don't play this game and have little desire to (for various reasons). In the real world I typically find people I don't agree with to review any design decisions/implementations in work I do. This challenges you and ensures you have thought out all implications of your design decisions. You don't need to take thier suggestions but you do need to addess thier concerns.
Limiting the back and forth to a limited mature aduience is critical. Even the craziest tinfoil hat can have legitimate concerns. The audience needs to be limited to that people who are speaking passed each other can find common ground.
That would be fine if they started with a game and then had ideas for more stuff they wanted ideas on.
Right now, it is as if they have mechanics which could be turned into a game and are trying to figure out what game to build. This is not fine. It is like a broken frankenstein.
On top of that, some changes are to the basic core of the "game", however, since there is no concept of what the "game" is right now, they just throw things in as they think of them. Therefore, the "game" you play yesterday may not be the "game" you play tomorrow. Neither of them will actually be a "game" but more like a Unreal engine with random stuff thrown into it based onsuggestions from the "player base".
This all equals lots of frustration and not much fun. People leave and in an MMO it sucks when all of your firends start leaving because the game has no direction or vision, just random crap being thrown in from day to day.
Kind of surprised it took you this long to post about sera's comments.
Here's a peak ...
And, unfortunately, I still witness this in many of the games I play. Champions Online? It was a horrible idea to put all of your menu options jammed up in the corner of the screen with the map.World of Warcraft? Your new talent tree UI is stupidly small and crammed with too many icons, just like your main user interface. (Also, why did you change something that wasn't broken to begin with?) Mortal Online? Well, we won't even talk about you. You're just a scary mess of UI failures.Darkfall? Your quest menu is nothing more than an in-game launch of Internet Explorer. You didn't even code a quest menu. Epic fail. http://www.massively.com/2010/08/12/anti-aliased-ui-see-what-you-did-there/
Accessibility is admittedly the biggest problem with MO, the UI and the introduction (press H) being the biggest part of it. Some of this is by design (lack of a map) some of it is placeholders (backpacks waiting for the update from epic) and some of it is flaws that seem minor once you are familiar with it but a pain to learn (crafting tables and books lacking any descriptive text to let you know what skill they help to train)
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/
Guess we will see soon... but I personally don't think her summary will be nearly as kind as you infer. We will know if a few days...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/
Guess we will see soon... but I personally don't think her summary will be nearly as kind as you infer. We will know if a few days...
It's not likely to say anything that hasn't already been talked about here, ad nauseum.
Whether it's kind or not isn't going to change the fact that it's a small, niche game. Some people are going to like what it offers, others won't - pretty much like every game in history.
It is amusing to think that some people are planning on hanging their hat on a review, as if it's not just another opinion. That worked so well with the initial reviews of AoC, WAR, Darkfall, Champions, etc, didn't it?
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/
Guess we will see soon... but I personally don't think her summary will be nearly as kind as you infer. We will know if a few days...
The only positives I noted were ambitious and interesting. Really the review could go either way and still fit my rough outline, The only thing we KNOW is that seraphina thinks the UI is a mess.
Since I last played Mortal Online maybe 2 months ago at max, I would have to say the game is worse than Dark Fall Online, and I would have rather wasted my money on that game than Mortal Online. I unsubscribed like 72 hours after buying the game due to game play sucking, and very limited skills you can train and such. There are Major Restrictions in this game, they say in the game trailers no Class Restrictions, while there are not class restrictions there are skill restrictions and this is annoying, which totally ruins game play. The Mage/Spell system still is not complete either.
Since I last played Mortal Online maybe 2 months ago at max, I would have to say the game is worse than Dark Fall Online, and I would have rather wasted my money on that game than Mortal Online. I unsubscribed like 72 hours after buying the game due to game play sucking, and very limited skills you can train and such. There are Major Restrictions in this game, they say in the game trailers no Class Restrictions, while there are not class restrictions there are skill restrictions and this is annoying, which totally ruins game play. The Mage/Spell system still is not complete either.
A lot has changed in those two months but if you don't like the skill cap the game probably isn't for you. The skill cap makes for huge diversity between players and stops the DFO syndrome of everyone having everything maxed out.
The game doesn't need reviewing yet. We were warned it would be a rough ride but we're getting major updates every week, to link back to the topic of reviewing; the game can not be reviewed properly until it settles down and stops changing so majorly so quickly. As i've said before the review wouldn't give true light on what the game is a couple of weeks after being posted.
You say combat is too fast - combat majorly slowed today.
You say housing has no purpose - benches, extractors, stables, vendors, territory control all tied in a couple of weeks later (An example only. We already have most of these)
You say it has so and so bugs - constantly getting fixed every week usually with the introduction of a few others.
No review would stand true for more than a week.
Reviews are made on the status of the game at the time of review. If it's charging people money.. that means it's released.. which means it SHOULD be reviewed. If it's not ready to be reviewed it should be in beta and not charging people.
Who are you to decide if people should pay for betas? Where in the "rules of MMO development" does it say a company can't charge for a beta? If people want to pay for a beta and pay a sub to fund its development, that's their right.
Perhaps you might re-read what I wrote.. and what you responded. The question is not about paying for a beta. It is a released game. The question (and topic) is about REVIEWING the released game.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/
Guess we will see soon... but I personally don't think her summary will be nearly as kind as you infer. We will know if a few days...
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.
Ambitious " Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress " it's still not done. "
a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.
Ambitious " Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress " it's still not done. "
a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.
Ambitious " Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress " it's still not done. "
a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it
Ambitious, "Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas, "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress "there is one thing that needs to be said about this game at this point in time: it's still not done. "
and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Ok I underestimated the strength of the warning, but if the only thing you know about MO is Seraphina's review "stay away" is probably good advice,since you haven't learned about the game. Those people intrigued by the positives in the article can will learn more about the game and make up their mind on their own
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Its probably because SV doesnt buy any Advertisement Time on sites.
Thats why sites like Massively, IGN, Fileplanet, MMORPG, etc havent reviewed it.
SV hasnt given them any money.
APB had tons of flash ads running all the time on many sites.
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Maybe we should tell Henrick to stop saying that they have a big marketing push on Gamespot then?
Until now, limited targeted marketing activities carried out, these will be expanded in June with a campaign on www.gamespot.com , which is one of the major gaming sites, where many potential customers make their decisions about which games they will buy.
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Also, one of the Editors from Massively said that they had purchased an account and were going to review it.. that was two months ago.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
The game doesn't need reviewing yet. We were warned it would be a rough ride but we're getting major updates every week, to link back to the topic of reviewing; the game can not be reviewed properly until it settles down and stops changing so majorly so quickly. As i've said before the review wouldn't give true light on what the game is a couple of weeks after being posted.
You say combat is too fast - combat majorly slowed today.
You say housing has no purpose - benches, extractors, stables, vendors, territory control all tied in a couple of weeks later (An example only. We already have most of these)
You say it has so and so bugs - constantly getting fixed every week usually with the introduction of a few others.
No review would stand true for more than a week.
Reviews are made on the status of the game at the time of review. If it's charging people money.. that means it's released.. which means it SHOULD be reviewed. If it's not ready to be reviewed it should be in beta and not charging people.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
And whats the point on making a review on the status of the game when the game changes so fast.
Yes the game is released, I never said it wasn't. Not ready to be reviewed and not suitable for reviewing are different things. Reviews are supposed to be accurate to reflect the true nature of the game. A review made can not be accurate for more than two weeks for reasons already mentioned.
If you want opinions on the game and how things are simply go and post on the Mortal Online forums. You can't demand for an official review, it will come when it does.
So by this standard NO game should ever be reviewed at release? As long as they are making changes to the game it should not be reviewed...?
No.. sorry.. don't agree at all. Thats why review sites go back in 6 months or a year and give an update on whats changed and re-review titles...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I can't think of games that changed so rapidly after release.
The only fair way to review a rapidly changing and expanding MMO would be to review after each patch. I would say after the last couple of patches this is a damn good game, by far the best sandbox MMO out there right now.
Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!
Fair? They RELEASED already... They are charging people...
I think it's very UNfair that people (not everyone, but a select/vocal few) portray the game as a bed of roses when it's hemoraging players. Even longtime Closed Beta Group A players are posting their farewells on the official forums and posting multipage feedback threads using phrases like "I plan to rip MO apart; and 3 posts is not going to be enough".
I am sure that every game would like extra time to "fix" things and change stuff after release before they get reviewed. MO is not in any way special in that regard. You don't think Darkfall would get a better review after their big DF2010 expansion? Sure it would.. but that is NOT the game that they launched with... Same with WARHAMMER
Sorry.. if the game is ready for release it's ready for review. If you'd like a re-review in 6 months ask for one then. Preaching about how wonderful a game is but then claiming that it would be unfair to review the game in it's current state just seems very disingenuous to me...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Except its neither good, nor sandbox. Sandbox would be a game where the only endgoal wouldn't be just to PvP.
Sandbox is the intention, SV knows the game isn't in a polished state right now and their working on getting it there. Slowly adding bits of fluff and other things to help boost trading and PvR. If SV turned around and said, we're happy with other features except for PvP then i'd agree with you. More time is needed. Do note there are plenty of people in MO that don't PvP at all and enjoy the game, it's not ALL pvp.
By your definition DFO isn't a sandbox eaither?
If only that were true.
It is becoming very apparent with the "Secret Forums" and such that the dev's vision for the game is either non existant or completely off kilter from what they initially envisioned. They are basically asking the people for ideas and then throwing them in and hoping everything fits together.
Some people will argue that this is "good, they listen to the community." The problem is, the community has no clue how things will work in game or how it will fit in the overall scheme and you end up with a hodgepoge of broken mechanics that make the game miserable for all. On top of that, you get changes that favor one group or another or that completely screw up character builds (like the change in attribute points for height) which casuses headaches and mass exodus from the game.
I don't understand what happened to the original ideas the devs had, by they seem to have either forgotten them or went into complete panic mode and are trying anything to keep people around.
The game doesn't have even unblanaced but fun combat. They released too soon with broken mechanics. That may be their biggest mistake.
That would be fine if they started with a game and then had ideas for more stuff they wanted ideas on.
Right now, it is as if they have mechanics which could be turned into a game and are trying to figure out what game to build. This is not fine. It is like a broken frankenstein.
On top of that, some changes are to the basic core of the "game", however, since there is no concept of what the "game" is right now, they just throw things in as they think of them. Therefore, the "game" you play yesterday may not be the "game" you play tomorrow. Neither of them will actually be a "game" but more like a Unreal engine with random stuff thrown into it based onsuggestions from the "player base".
This all equals lots of frustration and not much fun. People leave and in an MMO it sucks when all of your firends start leaving because the game has no direction or vision, just random crap being thrown in from day to day.
REVIEW FROM A MAJOR MMO SITE INCOMING:
Seraphina Brennansera_brennan): This weekend is going to be my final amount of time with Mortal Online. Next week, I'm finally doing this review. I'm finally going to talk about my experiences with Mortal Online! I'm probably going to get death threats again. http://www.massively.com/2010/08/21/wrup-forget-it-were-hiding-in-the-grass-edition/#continued
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Kind of surprised it took you this long to post about sera's comments.
Here's a peak ...
And, unfortunately, I still witness this in many of the games I play. Champions Online? It was a horrible idea to put all of your menu options jammed up in the corner of the screen with the map.World of Warcraft? Your new talent tree UI is stupidly small and crammed with too many icons, just like your main user interface. (Also, why did you change something that wasn't broken to begin with?) Mortal Online? Well, we won't even talk about you. You're just a scary mess of UI failures.Darkfall? Your quest menu is nothing more than an in-game launch of Internet Explorer. You didn't even code a quest menu. Epic fail. http://www.massively.com/2010/08/12/anti-aliased-ui-see-what-you-did-there/
Accessibility is admittedly the biggest problem with MO, the UI and the introduction (press H) being the biggest part of it. Some of this is by design (lack of a map) some of it is placeholders (backpacks waiting for the update from epic) and some of it is flaws that seem minor once you are familiar with it but a pain to learn (crafting tables and books lacking any descriptive text to let you know what skill they help to train)
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/
Guess we will see soon... but I personally don't think her summary will be nearly as kind as you infer. We will know if a few days...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
It's not likely to say anything that hasn't already been talked about here, ad nauseum.
Whether it's kind or not isn't going to change the fact that it's a small, niche game. Some people are going to like what it offers, others won't - pretty much like every game in history.
It is amusing to think that some people are planning on hanging their hat on a review, as if it's not just another opinion. That worked so well with the initial reviews of AoC, WAR, Darkfall, Champions, etc, didn't it?
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
The only positives I noted were ambitious and interesting. Really the review could go either way and still fit my rough outline, The only thing we KNOW is that seraphina thinks the UI is a mess.
After reading all the comments in this thread, I get the distinct impression that MO atm is an enjoyable "paid" beta.
Since I last played Mortal Online maybe 2 months ago at max, I would have to say the game is worse than Dark Fall Online, and I would have rather wasted my money on that game than Mortal Online. I unsubscribed like 72 hours after buying the game due to game play sucking, and very limited skills you can train and such. There are Major Restrictions in this game, they say in the game trailers no Class Restrictions, while there are not class restrictions there are skill restrictions and this is annoying, which totally ruins game play. The Mage/Spell system still is not complete either.
A lot has changed in those two months but if you don't like the skill cap the game probably isn't for you. The skill cap makes for huge diversity between players and stops the DFO syndrome of everyone having everything maxed out.
Well, it's been a week and no review. Dragoncon is next weekend, so it will probably be at least another week.
Perhaps you might re-read what I wrote.. and what you responded. The question is not about paying for a beta. It is a released game. The question (and topic) is about REVIEWING the released game.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Review available :
http://www.massively.com/2010/09/02/anti-aliased-i-can-finally-stop-playing-mortal-online-now
Very good review. Tells about it all. As expected it bashes the game pretty hard which is well diserved.
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.
Ambitious " Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress " it's still not done. "
a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.
Ambitious " Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress " it's still not done. "
a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it
most likely summary of Seraphina's review: Ambitious, full of interesting ideas, but very much a work in progress and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.
Ambitious " Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress " it's still not done. "
a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it
Ambitious, "Mortal Online is a game that's hampered by its own potential, because I think the devs really bit off more than they could chew."
full of interesting ideas, "some of the game's systems (combat and crafting) are extremely intelligent and deep,"
but very much a work in progress "there is one thing that needs to be said about this game at this point in time: it's still not done. "
and a suggestion that people learn about the game before trying it, Ok I underestimated the strength of the warning, but if the only thing you know about MO is Seraphina's review "stay away" is probably good advice,since you haven't learned about the game. Those people intrigued by the positives in the article can will learn more about the game and make up their mind on their own
Oh and a 20% chance of some allusion to this pic.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192/