Originally posted by sephiroth112Really they made a excellent mmorpgs but people never try or all time critic because wanna another WoW:
this list show good mmorpgs but dont have enough suscription
Lotro
age of conan
warhammer online
final fantasy XI
Aion
what we can do for save this game???
Except Aion I tried all of em and in my opinion none of em rated as excellent. There is a reason why some don't have more subscriptions then others. And in all fairness, they shouldn't be compared with WoW numbers. An mmorpg in my view is succesfull if they make a profit of it. Regardless if I like them or not or whatever opinion I have of em.
I am a paying subscriber to wow since launch (eventho I hardly play anymore) I still tried out different mmo's during that time and I can assure you I was looking for something different and I think the majority does when they test out other mmo's then their current one. What's the use trying to find something that's the same? But yeh I wish more strived towards overall polishness because most of em really dissapoint me in that field. Almost makes me cry that some can get away with something and still call it AAA
How many subs would you say makes a successful game? It's far less then one might initially think.
I understand the wish a new game...well...rather wish for a new game experience. I used to play a lot more MMOs then I do now because the different genres and worlds you can visit - MMO gamers were younger then, it was newer..fresher.
It will change soon, just have a look at what's coming around the corner. Guild Wars 2 is pushing new ideas out there with it's favourite MMO, Final Fantasy XIV is due to be released soon here in the UK, and there are a couple of unknowns like Perpetuum which look like they taking a success story like EVE, and giving it a new twist - a new breath of life.
Hang in there guys and girls - patience will be rewarded!
I think the OP makes the same assumption as those games did, that they actually "WERE" AAA titles. That's incorrect as mostly people agree, those games simply were not up to standard despite the high costs and long developments and market/business strategy they aspired to, in terms of gameplay or the conditions of the market they all were AA and they may have done ok with profits but proven that those developers still have not got the winning formula for making an AAA mmorpg. They thought that people would exchange the commitment to wow for something new and flashy and essentially the same but secondary. That's proved to not be the case at all.
Hmm, you'd have a point if they had actually made excellent mmos as you state. However, I played most of them, and found them half as polished as wow with half the content (and THAT is saying a LOT). They were mediocre mmos no matter how you want to spin it, and they've suffered as a result of their shortsigtedness. Can't say I have much pity for them either. They made their bed, time to sleep in it...
hello guys, after i check many dates, reviews and opinion, we found that company that made pay for fee mmorpg in this time have bad times, except world of warcraft, check the company like mythic, funcom, SOE, Turbine, Square Enix , Nfsoft ,e.t.c. had bad times.
Really they made a excellent mmorpgs but people never try or all time critic because wanna another WoW:
this list show good mmorpgs but dont have enough suscription
Lotro
age of conan
warhammer online
final fantasy XI
Aion
what we can do for save this game???
I have to disagree, people don't want another wow. They want something different/better than wow. When they go and play another MMO and find out that it is too similar to wow while at the same time not being better, they just go back to wow.
I see these companies converting to a f2p model because they were not able to match the subscription numbers that wow has and realizing the potential of cash shop items they want to make as much money as they can.
You can look around for the financial report of funcom. They been shifting office for tax reason, and cutting staff, so they'll be lossing less money. I think they been lossing a bit per month, but nothing major.
You usually have to be a stock holder to get one of those easily. I don't feel like digging any more.
Also, That amount per month could be from developing expansion or even the graphic update for Anarchy online. It stuff that regain later. You didnt count EA out when it lost a billion one year or Sony when it release it PS3 what lost tons. They are now catching up to 360 in console sold.
Their stock price have fallen alot since it's release. But I think that's mainly because it's the over hype that bring up the stock in the first place.
Over all they are not really lossing that much money. But alot of that is due to them cutting cost. Me personally, I dont' like the idea that the mmorpg i'm playing is cutting developing cost.
Yeah the idea of your mmo dieing sucks. Im surprised they cut development when I thought AoC grown some.
Devalon, most any company will either make their 10k available on their website or it will be available through any midmajor stock site. It doesn't take hard work at all to get financials.
The one thing all the MMOs you listed have in common is they failed to compete with WoW in an open market.
.
They all have missions or quests. They all have an inventory for you to manage. They all have some means of progression. They all have a toon for you to equip. They all have a world for you to explore. And so on.
Why eat an apple when we all know that fruit is all the same, more or less.
So why not eat the best.
That is a banana.
The one thing all of the fruit listed have in common is that they failed to compete with bananas in an open market.
so let's see, do banannas really outsell other fruits 10,000 to 1? Oh, you didn't think about that particular flaw in your drivel did ya....
thank you for the OP troll. first of all, all those games failed cuz they SUCKED.
Yea, in your opinion...
I happen to REALLY like LotRO, AoC, and definitely FFXI...are you a WoWtard?
yes..im a "wowtard"....when
1- i never played wow
2- i hate wow
3- i never had a wow account...
He never played WoW yet he hates WoW...
He sounds like one of those people who hate the Yankees just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team.
Just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team? To any true sports enthusiast that's downright blasphemy.
Sports should be about teamwork, chemistry, a gameplayn, home-grown players. Not going out and buying the best line-up money can buy.
How can you even compare the two. Silly.
How can you completely discount the effect of business management in professional sports? It's just as much a part of the competition as teamwork and chemistry. To ignore it is ignorant.
the gold age of WoW for me was burning crusade, now wotlk is for baby, the reason, raids are easy now, everybody can got the ultimate armor in the game, and n00bs prefer use GS that real skill of gamers
if you wanna compare
well WoW like a pop music, exist outher genre but pop music sell more copies that another
wow lovers always are troll in outher games
if you dont believe, check the general chat in outher games and this lame people spam "wow is better" and blah blah blah
hello guys, after i check many dates, reviews and opinion, we found that company that made pay for fee mmorpg in this time have bad times, except world of warcraft, check the company like mythic, funcom, SOE, Turbine, Square Enix , Nfsoft ,e.t.c. had bad times.
Really they made a excellent mmorpgs but people never try or all time critic because wanna another WoW:
this list show good mmorpgs but dont have enough suscription
Lotro
age of conan
warhammer online
final fantasy XI
Aion
what we can do for save this game???
LOTRO need to save itself. I think main problem in that game is that it has a crappy pvp, and no developed option to play on the 'evil' side. I could throw in the 'induction time' which makes me frustrated, and some gay animation, but they are not as a big concern.
Just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team? To any true sports enthusiast that's downright blasphemy.
Sports should be about teamwork, chemistry, a gameplayn, home-grown players. Not going out and buying the best line-up money can buy.
How can you even compare the two. Silly.
Works for the Yankees and Real Madrid.
Might for the Yankees because the competition in American sports is limited, but maybe you could fill me in on when the last time Real Madrid was relevant. They spent over 300 million last year and won ZERO silverware.
To the guy posting after you, what's wrong with using gearscore? It's a good way to see if you belong in the group or not. It's also made it much easier to get pugs going together instead of having someone surprise you by being in all greens and not pulling their weight.
So because more than 2-3 people on a server have the best gear the game is easy and for babies? Get real. Trying to protect this 'elitist' bs of the psat is so played out.
Just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team? To any true sports enthusiast that's downright blasphemy.
Sports should be about teamwork, chemistry, a gameplayn, home-grown players. Not going out and buying the best line-up money can buy.
How can you even compare the two. Silly.
Works for the Yankees and Real Madrid.
Might for the Yankees because the competition in American sports is limited, but maybe you could fill me in on when the last time Real Madrid was relevant. They spent over 300 million last year and won ZERO silverware.
To the guy posting after you, what's wrong with using gearscore? It's a good way to see if you belong in the group or not. It's also made it much easier to get pugs going together instead of having someone surprise you by being in all greens and not pulling their weight.
So because more than 2-3 people on a server have the best gear the game is easy and for babies? Get real. Trying to protect this 'elitist' bs of the psat is so played out.
Right on. GS is not everything but it does contain information. A tank with GS 4000 is just not ready for ICC 25 hard mode, no matter how good he is as a player. The good raid leaders do a gear INSPECTION, on top of GS, before letting someone in the group. Plus, achievements give some indication of whether a player has at least finished a particular boss before. In fact, if you go to wow-heroes.com, it will tell you how many times a player have defeated a boss.
Anyone who says WOTLK is easy should show me their proof of downign LK 25 man hard mode or Sindragosa 25 man hard mode. Most guilds on my server (caelestrasz, you can check on wow-heroes.com) have not done any ICC hard mode, or kill Halion.
Just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team? To any true sports enthusiast that's downright blasphemy.
Sports should be about teamwork, chemistry, a gameplayn, home-grown players. Not going out and buying the best line-up money can buy.
How can you even compare the two. Silly.
Works for the Yankees and Real Madrid.
Might for the Yankees because the competition in American sports is limited, but maybe you could fill me in on when the last time Real Madrid was relevant. They spent over 300 million last year and won ZERO silverware.
To the guy posting after you, what's wrong with using gearscore? It's a good way to see if you belong in the group or not. It's also made it much easier to get pugs going together instead of having someone surprise you by being in all greens and not pulling their weight.
So because more than 2-3 people on a server have the best gear the game is easy and for babies? Get real. Trying to protect this 'elitist' bs of the psat is so played out.
Right on. GS is not everything but it does contain information. A tank with GS 4000 is just not ready for ICC 25 hard mode, no matter how good he is as a player. The good raid leaders do a gear INSPECTION, on top of GS, before letting someone in the group. Plus, achievements give some indication of whether a player has at least finished a particular boss before. In fact, if you go to wow-heroes.com, it will tell you how many times a player have defeated a boss.
Anyone who says WOTLK is easy should show me their proof of downign LK 25 man hard mode or Sindragosa 25 man hard mode. Most guilds on my server (caelestrasz, you can check on wow-heroes.com) have not done any ICC hard mode, or kill Halion.
They simply don't get that far. I"m sure 90% of the people that say WoW is too easy have never done a hard mode, period. I doubt they got undying in Nax,I doubt they even got the Glory of the Hero achievement with the red proto drake from heroic dungeons.
This is why WoW is better than the rest of the games. They have the stuff for the casuals/semi-casuals, but then they have the things to keep the elitists and the people looking for a tough challenge going.
I see this in my own unique way I would like to think.. You could very well say that we are helping buy not buying and continueing our subscriptions for the garbage that's out there. The main way we get through to these developers is with our dollar and it honestly takes multiple flops to get it through the heads of some of these stubborn people, and they are very stubborn. If you think I like playing World of Warcraft for 5 years you're mistaken, there just hasn't been anything better in my eyes.
1- i dont need to play wow to know what wow is like
2- i hate wow, simply because its not "MY" type of game, and its pure bias based on me, and not anything specific to the game
3- even though I hate wow, i still realize its one of the best games ever.
You know, you should at least try it if you haven't. It may not be a good mmo, but it really is a great game. I bet you get at least six months of enjoyment out of it, even if eve or uo is more your cup of tea.
On top of it, you'd be more credible if you have to argue against wow, and will have good examples to back up your point.
1- i dont need to play wow to know what wow is like
2- i hate wow, simply because its not "MY" type of game, and its pure bias based on me, and not anything specific to the game
3- even though I hate wow, i still realize its one of the best games ever.
You know, you should at least try it if you haven't. It may not be a good mmo, but it really is a great game. I bet you get at least six months of enjoyment out of it, even if eve or uo is more your cup of tea.
On top of it, you'd be more credible if you have to argue against wow, and will have good examples to back up your point.
what? can you read?
you:
"It may not be a good mmo, but it really is a great game."
me:
i hate wow, simply because its not "MY" type of game,
even though I hate wow, i still realize its one of the best games ever.
The company who makes the game does not get anywhere near all the 'sales'. You can't multiple box sales x box price and say the company made that amount of money. Almost 50% goes to the retailer, and another big chunk goes to the distributer. The amount the company actually receives is about 18% of sales.
AOC wrote off 25 million dollars about a year after AOC launched. Basically they told investors that is how much they lost on the game and it would never be coming back.
The reason these games 'failed'
1. LOTRO - Is an awesome game and very well polished. The problem is that it is just exactly like WOW, without as many options. (no pvp etc). Besides lore, there is no reason to play it. If you hate wow, you are going to hate LOTRO.. if you like LOTRO, more than likely you would enjoy wow more. My gut feeling is that LOTRO will be HUGE as a free game.. it will be a nice wow-break for wow players.
2. AOC - Way too much hype. Before launch, the devs were bragging about how great the pvp was. At launch, there was absolutely no pvp. They also 'scammed' the beta people. Open beta was only for levels 1-20, which was pretty polished. But once the game went live, there was a HUGE dropoff in quality after level 20. It was obvious why they didn't let anyone play past lvl 20 in the beta (because word would have gotten out). It is this type of marketing and hype that has made AOC the target of so much hate from ex-players. There were also a huge amount of bugs in the game at release, and there continues to be random lag spikes that freeze players for 3-5 seconds at a time. While most of those players quite the first month, the bug was never fixed. Cool lore, great graphics and great sound does not make up for terrible gameplay and an unacceptable amount of bugs.
3. Warhammer - This is just a case of 'what next'. It actually was fun to play and did a lot of cool things like pvp leveling and PQs that made the first few months awesome. The problem is, there was never any longevity to the game. How many times can you capture the same enemy city? Also, the endgame (city sieges) were pretty bad.. it ended up being mostly very small instances where you fought npc's... which wasn't what players had in mind for 'the pvp game'.. they expected large scale pvp battles as the finale of a city siege. The final issue is that the devs reacted too slowly with faction balances. Because there were only two factions (as opposed to Daoc), as soon as one side started to dominate, it continued to dominate... the number of players who want to play permanetly on an overwhelmed side is much less than the people who rerolled to a server where their side dominated. Very early on, almost every server had a dominate faction, which just made the epic pvp battles much less epic.
I think there is a falacy that 'mmorpgs' always start out bugged and it takes a year for them to become fun and that WOW had issues at launch. This is stupid. I have to decide THIS MONTH where to spend my $15. Am I going to play a smooth game that is balanced, fun and stable? Or am I going to play AOC, have lag spikes and quests/pvp that can't be completed because of the huge amount of bugs... am I going to pay $15/month and hope that the dev team fixes them ( in AOC's case, they never did). Am I going to pay $15/month and hope that the pvp system that they are talking about implementing in 5 months is actually something worth playing (in AOC's case, it was a terribly outdated and easily exploited system).
This isn't a case of players wanting 'perfection'.. this is a case of players wanting something that is playable and FUN when they spend money. AOC in particular launched and treated players like monthly beta testers who paid a subscription. The game was (and still is) all about 'promises for the future'. They add a new system that sucks, then ask players to wait until they can change it around.
Yes, we can blame all the greedy kids, who want to play a game that is actually fun. How stupid can they be, they should subscribe to a game and suffer for their $15/month and hope the game is fun in a year.
Just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team? To any true sports enthusiast that's downright blasphemy.
Sports should be about teamwork, chemistry, a gameplayn, home-grown players. Not going out and buying the best line-up money can buy.
How can you even compare the two. Silly.
Works for the Yankees and Real Madrid.
Might for the Yankees because the competition in American sports is limited, but maybe you could fill me in on when the last time Real Madrid was relevant. They spent over 300 million last year and won ZERO silverware.
they are still the club with the most trophies in history by a loooooooong shot, national and international. One bad season , or two, or three can be excused, specially considering that they could have 25 bad seasons in a row and still lead the boards...
Originally posted by sephiroth112 hello guys, after i check many dates, reviews and opinion, we found that company that made pay for fee mmorpg in this time have bad times, except world of warcraft, check the company like mythic, funcom, SOE, Turbine, Square Enix , Nfsoft ,e.t.c. had bad times. Really they made a excellent mmorpgs but people never try or all time critic because wanna another WoW: this list show good mmorpgs but dont have enough suscription Lotro age of conan warhammer online final fantasy XI Aion what we can do for save this game???
To save them we can mostly do one thing: unsub.
After they fail, the IP will again be free for a new MMO. Maybe it will be better. If not, just don't buy/unsub again until they put out a decent game.
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Except Aion I tried all of em and in my opinion none of em rated as excellent. There is a reason why some don't have more subscriptions then others. And in all fairness, they shouldn't be compared with WoW numbers. An mmorpg in my view is succesfull if they make a profit of it. Regardless if I like them or not or whatever opinion I have of em.
I am a paying subscriber to wow since launch (eventho I hardly play anymore) I still tried out different mmo's during that time and I can assure you I was looking for something different and I think the majority does when they test out other mmo's then their current one. What's the use trying to find something that's the same? But yeh I wish more strived towards overall polishness because most of em really dissapoint me in that field. Almost makes me cry that some can get away with something and still call it AAA
And saving games... That's up to the company.
How many subs would you say makes a successful game? It's far less then one might initially think.
I understand the wish a new game...well...rather wish for a new game experience. I used to play a lot more MMOs then I do now because the different genres and worlds you can visit - MMO gamers were younger then, it was newer..fresher.
It will change soon, just have a look at what's coming around the corner. Guild Wars 2 is pushing new ideas out there with it's favourite MMO, Final Fantasy XIV is due to be released soon here in the UK, and there are a couple of unknowns like Perpetuum which look like they taking a success story like EVE, and giving it a new twist - a new breath of life.
Hang in there guys and girls - patience will be rewarded!
Final Fantasy XIV
Then get Tabula Rasa back! (Yes...I just went there)
He never played WoW yet he hates WoW...
He sounds like one of those people who hate the Yankees just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team.
I think the OP makes the same assumption as those games did, that they actually "WERE" AAA titles. That's incorrect as mostly people agree, those games simply were not up to standard despite the high costs and long developments and market/business strategy they aspired to, in terms of gameplay or the conditions of the market they all were AA and they may have done ok with profits but proven that those developers still have not got the winning formula for making an AAA mmorpg. They thought that people would exchange the commitment to wow for something new and flashy and essentially the same but secondary. That's proved to not be the case at all.
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
Its called MMO Welfare.
aka
MMO Wic Checks
they need love to you know
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Hmm, you'd have a point if they had actually made excellent mmos as you state. However, I played most of them, and found them half as polished as wow with half the content (and THAT is saying a LOT). They were mediocre mmos no matter how you want to spin it, and they've suffered as a result of their shortsigtedness. Can't say I have much pity for them either. They made their bed, time to sleep in it...
I have to disagree, people don't want another wow. They want something different/better than wow. When they go and play another MMO and find out that it is too similar to wow while at the same time not being better, they just go back to wow.
I see these companies converting to a f2p model because they were not able to match the subscription numbers that wow has and realizing the potential of cash shop items they want to make as much money as they can.
My sig is just as logical as your posts are
Devalon, most any company will either make their 10k available on their website or it will be available through any midmajor stock site. It doesn't take hard work at all to get financials.
so let's see, do banannas really outsell other fruits 10,000 to 1? Oh, you didn't think about that particular flaw in your drivel did ya....
Just because they pay top dollar to maintain a better team? To any true sports enthusiast that's downright blasphemy.
Sports should be about teamwork, chemistry, a gameplayn, home-grown players. Not going out and buying the best line-up money can buy.
How can you even compare the two. Silly.
How can you completely discount the effect of business management in professional sports? It's just as much a part of the competition as teamwork and chemistry. To ignore it is ignorant.
Works for the Yankees and Real Madrid.
the gold age of WoW for me was burning crusade, now wotlk is for baby, the reason, raids are easy now, everybody can got the ultimate armor in the game, and n00bs prefer use GS that real skill of gamers
if you wanna compare
well WoW like a pop music, exist outher genre but pop music sell more copies that another
wow lovers always are troll in outher games
if you dont believe, check the general chat in outher games and this lame people spam "wow is better" and blah blah blah
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
LOTRO need to save itself. I think main problem in that game is that it has a crappy pvp, and no developed option to play on the 'evil' side. I could throw in the 'induction time' which makes me frustrated, and some gay animation, but they are not as a big concern.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
Might for the Yankees because the competition in American sports is limited, but maybe you could fill me in on when the last time Real Madrid was relevant. They spent over 300 million last year and won ZERO silverware.
To the guy posting after you, what's wrong with using gearscore? It's a good way to see if you belong in the group or not. It's also made it much easier to get pugs going together instead of having someone surprise you by being in all greens and not pulling their weight.
So because more than 2-3 people on a server have the best gear the game is easy and for babies? Get real. Trying to protect this 'elitist' bs of the psat is so played out.
Right on. GS is not everything but it does contain information. A tank with GS 4000 is just not ready for ICC 25 hard mode, no matter how good he is as a player. The good raid leaders do a gear INSPECTION, on top of GS, before letting someone in the group. Plus, achievements give some indication of whether a player has at least finished a particular boss before. In fact, if you go to wow-heroes.com, it will tell you how many times a player have defeated a boss.
Anyone who says WOTLK is easy should show me their proof of downign LK 25 man hard mode or Sindragosa 25 man hard mode. Most guilds on my server (caelestrasz, you can check on wow-heroes.com) have not done any ICC hard mode, or kill Halion.
They simply don't get that far. I"m sure 90% of the people that say WoW is too easy have never done a hard mode, period. I doubt they got undying in Nax,I doubt they even got the Glory of the Hero achievement with the red proto drake from heroic dungeons.
This is why WoW is better than the rest of the games. They have the stuff for the casuals/semi-casuals, but then they have the things to keep the elitists and the people looking for a tough challenge going.
I see this in my own unique way I would like to think.. You could very well say that we are helping buy not buying and continueing our subscriptions for the garbage that's out there. The main way we get through to these developers is with our dollar and it honestly takes multiple flops to get it through the heads of some of these stubborn people, and they are very stubborn. If you think I like playing World of Warcraft for 5 years you're mistaken, there just hasn't been anything better in my eyes.
im assuminhg when you say "he" you are reffering to me?
1- i dont need to play wow to know what wow is like
2- i hate wow, simply because its not "MY" type of game, and its pure bias based on me, and not anything specific to the game
3- even though I hate wow, i still realize its one of the best games ever.
You know, you should at least try it if you haven't. It may not be a good mmo, but it really is a great game. I bet you get at least six months of enjoyment out of it, even if eve or uo is more your cup of tea.
On top of it, you'd be more credible if you have to argue against wow, and will have good examples to back up your point.
what? can you read?
you:
"It may not be a good mmo, but it really is a great game."
me:
i hate wow, simply because its not "MY" type of game,
even though I hate wow, i still realize its one of the best games ever.
please tell me where i say otherwise.
Just a few corrections.
The company who makes the game does not get anywhere near all the 'sales'. You can't multiple box sales x box price and say the company made that amount of money. Almost 50% goes to the retailer, and another big chunk goes to the distributer. The amount the company actually receives is about 18% of sales.
AOC wrote off 25 million dollars about a year after AOC launched. Basically they told investors that is how much they lost on the game and it would never be coming back.
The reason these games 'failed'
1. LOTRO - Is an awesome game and very well polished. The problem is that it is just exactly like WOW, without as many options. (no pvp etc). Besides lore, there is no reason to play it. If you hate wow, you are going to hate LOTRO.. if you like LOTRO, more than likely you would enjoy wow more. My gut feeling is that LOTRO will be HUGE as a free game.. it will be a nice wow-break for wow players.
2. AOC - Way too much hype. Before launch, the devs were bragging about how great the pvp was. At launch, there was absolutely no pvp. They also 'scammed' the beta people. Open beta was only for levels 1-20, which was pretty polished. But once the game went live, there was a HUGE dropoff in quality after level 20. It was obvious why they didn't let anyone play past lvl 20 in the beta (because word would have gotten out). It is this type of marketing and hype that has made AOC the target of so much hate from ex-players. There were also a huge amount of bugs in the game at release, and there continues to be random lag spikes that freeze players for 3-5 seconds at a time. While most of those players quite the first month, the bug was never fixed. Cool lore, great graphics and great sound does not make up for terrible gameplay and an unacceptable amount of bugs.
3. Warhammer - This is just a case of 'what next'. It actually was fun to play and did a lot of cool things like pvp leveling and PQs that made the first few months awesome. The problem is, there was never any longevity to the game. How many times can you capture the same enemy city? Also, the endgame (city sieges) were pretty bad.. it ended up being mostly very small instances where you fought npc's... which wasn't what players had in mind for 'the pvp game'.. they expected large scale pvp battles as the finale of a city siege. The final issue is that the devs reacted too slowly with faction balances. Because there were only two factions (as opposed to Daoc), as soon as one side started to dominate, it continued to dominate... the number of players who want to play permanetly on an overwhelmed side is much less than the people who rerolled to a server where their side dominated. Very early on, almost every server had a dominate faction, which just made the epic pvp battles much less epic.
I think there is a falacy that 'mmorpgs' always start out bugged and it takes a year for them to become fun and that WOW had issues at launch. This is stupid. I have to decide THIS MONTH where to spend my $15. Am I going to play a smooth game that is balanced, fun and stable? Or am I going to play AOC, have lag spikes and quests/pvp that can't be completed because of the huge amount of bugs... am I going to pay $15/month and hope that the dev team fixes them ( in AOC's case, they never did). Am I going to pay $15/month and hope that the pvp system that they are talking about implementing in 5 months is actually something worth playing (in AOC's case, it was a terribly outdated and easily exploited system).
This isn't a case of players wanting 'perfection'.. this is a case of players wanting something that is playable and FUN when they spend money. AOC in particular launched and treated players like monthly beta testers who paid a subscription. The game was (and still is) all about 'promises for the future'. They add a new system that sucks, then ask players to wait until they can change it around.
Yes, we can blame all the greedy kids, who want to play a game that is actually fun. How stupid can they be, they should subscribe to a game and suffer for their $15/month and hope the game is fun in a year.
they are still the club with the most trophies in history by a loooooooong shot, national and international. One bad season , or two, or three can be excused, specially considering that they could have 25 bad seasons in a row and still lead the boards...
To save them we can mostly do one thing: unsub.
After they fail, the IP will again be free for a new MMO. Maybe it will be better. If not, just don't buy/unsub again until they put out a decent game.