I'm surprised the Roper "quitting" announcement got to 7 pages before being locked and that only a couple posts got mod edited. I guess most people expressed their "love" of Roper on a 3rd party site like this one so it didn't get edited.
Some people paid $49 for this crap basket. The last MMO that ripped me off was AoC, and before that it was Vanguard (ruined by Salem Grant aka Silius). I'm permanently on the fence for future releases -- unless I see some wide spread and rabid rave reviews.
Actually there were about five people as I recall who were (more or less) responsible for Vanguard's woes. I'll link an old interview someone did with an (ex)Sigil employees, that was given about 24 hours after the infamous parking lot mass-firing SOE did: Link
Didn't SOE buy Vanguard to prevent it from becoming competition to EQ 2 ? It wasn't a bad game , it had a horrible start but it had potential . It's too bad.
Reading that article I linked, it seems that SOE initially bought into Brad's sales pitch just like Microsoft did; it was only after getting the same run-around he (Brad) gave to Microsoft that SOE became suspicious. I love Vanguard, even with all the problems it still has today, but I can't say that I really blame SOE for focusing on their own product and letting Vanguard languish like it has. What Sigil launched was more along the lines of an alpha client and I can't fault SOE for not wanting to pump even more money into Vanguard, especially considering the extreme management problems Sigil was having.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I'm surprised the Roper "quitting" announcement got to 7 pages before being locked and that only a couple posts got mod edited. I guess most people expressed their "love" of Roper on a 3rd party site like this one so it didn't get edited.
Most people (even if they can post on the STO forums) have learned by now that any post that reads as criticsm, valid or not, gets edited by Devs very quickly and/or gets attacked by the fans (quite often with blatant encouragement from the Devs). Third party websites like this one are the only places where you can give honest opinions (either for or against) without having your post disappear (excepting, of course, rules violations).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Bill Roper gained noteriety for a previous MMO, Hellgate: London.
False. Hes actually gained notoriety from being lead designer of Diablo .
Unless you absolutely loathed the game, in which case that would skew your perception, he gained fame (a positive increase in reputation) from his work on Diablo; that is why he was a big name to begin with. After the Hellgate: London fiasco, he gained notoriety (a negative increase in reputation, a.k.a. infamy). His work with Cryptic has since increased his notoriety (again: reduced his reputation, made him even more infamous).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I'm surprised the Roper "quitting" announcement got to 7 pages before being locked and that only a couple posts got mod edited. I guess most people expressed their "love" of Roper on a 3rd party site like this one so it didn't get edited.
Most people (even if they can post on the STO forums) have learned by now that any post that reads as criticsm, valid or not, gets edited by Devs very quickly and/or gets attacked by the fans (quite often with blatant encouragement from the Devs). Third party websites like this one are the only places where you can give honest opinions (either for or against) without having your post disappear (excepting, of course, rules violations).
Yeah, but still a lot of biased people, trolls and fanbois find their ways to these forums. From personal experience, I read more posts made by people who are disgruntled with a game which resulted in rants and even crusades against the game or gamestudio, then there are really good informative posts. I guess it will be the same with this Roper fellow.
I don't know this Bill Roper guy, just saw his name pop-up on 2 games I followed; Hellgate London and Star Trek Online. Both games I didn't purchase at release. However I just ordered a copy of STO. So he much have done something right, as I really enjoyed playing the demo. Oh and I played Diablo and i believe someone mentioned he was involved with that game too.
Etymology: Medieval Latin notorius, from Late Latin notorium information, indictment, from Latin noscere to come to know — more at know
Date: 1534
: generally known and talked of; especially: widely and unfavorably known
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Yeah, but still a lot of biased people, trolls and fanbois find their ways to these forums. From personal experience, I read more posts made by people who are disgruntled with a game which resulted in rants and even crusades against the game or gamestudio, then there are really good informative posts. I guess it will be the same with this Roper fellow.
I don't know this Bill Roper guy, just saw his name pop-up on 2 games I followed; Hellgate London and Star Trek Online. Both games I didn't purchase at release. However I just ordered a copy of STO. So he much have done something right, as I really enjoyed playing the demo. Oh and I played Diablo and i believe someone mentioned he was involved with that game too.
Your first mistake is in assuming that all the negative posts concerning STO are not trying to inform you of the games problems; in point of fact, there have been many posts and threads here which have detailed STO's good and bad points. If it seems like the bad outweigh the good, well that's STO for you. Some people have made it their goal to warn people off of STO, and Cryptic in general. I will not begrudge them that; ultimately it is up to you to decide if you will try it for yourself (you obviously decided to go ahead and try it).
As for trying out Bill Roper's work at Cryptic, you should have purchased CO instead of STO; not only is CO a far better game than STO, but Roper actually had a hand in developing that game. Sure he was briefly in charge of STO, but he wasn't in that position long enough to really matter one way or the other before he was made CCO. While in the CCO spot, the sense I had was that he really wasn't generating change in either game so much as being a PR man and public scapegoat for Cryptic.
Since you have ordered STO, I have one request: we see people all the time in here who load and patch the game, play a couple hours, and then come in here posting how great the game is and how everyone who criticizes the game are all a bunch of trolls. Inevitably, the majority of them eventually come back later and state the same problems that were pointed out. All I ask is that, before posting the "This is the greatest game ever!" thread, you play through the 30 day free period first (or if you can't stand to play the game any longer, post then).
You may come to dislike the game as most have. Then again, you may be one of those rare players who loves the game as is. Either way, play through the game first, and then let us know how you feel about it. Just please don't post about how great STO will be someday; we tend to hear that a lot here.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Bill Roper gained noteriety for a previous MMO, Hellgate: London.
False. Hes actually gained notoriety from being lead designer of Diablo .
Wrong. Roper is listed (with Shane Dabiri) as a producer on Diablo, as well as helping with Voice, Story, and Manual. Give credit where it's due. The Senior Designers were Erich Schaefer and Dave Brevik, with Max Schaefer, Erik Sexton, and Ken Williams also in the Design Team. Roper is a PR man, plain and simple. He must be pretty good at it because he's convinced people like the poster above that he's done more than he actually has.
Wrong. Roper is listed (with Shane Dabiri) as a producer on Diablo, as well as helping with Voice, Story, and Manual. Give credit where it's due. The Senior Designers were Erich Schaefer and Dave Brevik, with Max Schaefer, Erik Sexton, and Ken Williams also in the Design Team. Roper is a PR man, plain and simple. He must be pretty good at it because he's convinced people like the poster above that he's done more than he actually has.
If you are referring to me, at what point did I say that he actually accomplished anything other than being a PR man and scapegoat for Cryptic? Sure I said he was in charge of CO once, but that doesn't mean he actually did anything in that position. In point of fact, I'm not sure he has actually ever accomplished anything for Cryptic other than PR and being the pointman for player's dislike.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Wrong. Roper is listed (with Shane Dabiri) as a producer on Diablo, as well as helping with Voice, Story, and Manual. Give credit where it's due. The Senior Designers were Erich Schaefer and Dave Brevik, with Max Schaefer, Erik Sexton, and Ken Williams also in the Design Team. Roper is a PR man, plain and simple. He must be pretty good at it because he's convinced people like the poster above that he's done more than he actually has.
If you are referring to me, at what point did I say that he actually accomplished anything other than being a PR man and scapegoat for Cryptic? Sure I said he was in charge of CO once, but that doesn't mean he actually did anything in that position. In point of fact, I'm not sure he has actually ever accomplished anything for Cryptic other than PR and being the pointman for player's dislike.
Yeah, but still a lot of biased people, trolls and fanbois find their ways to these forums. From personal experience, I read more posts made by people who are disgruntled with a game which resulted in rants and even crusades against the game or gamestudio, then there are really good informative posts. I guess it will be the same with this Roper fellow.
I don't know this Bill Roper guy, just saw his name pop-up on 2 games I followed; Hellgate London and Star Trek Online. Both games I didn't purchase at release. However I just ordered a copy of STO. So he much have done something right, as I really enjoyed playing the demo. Oh and I played Diablo and i believe someone mentioned he was involved with that game too.
Your first mistake is in assuming that all the negative posts concerning STO are not trying to inform you of the games problems; in point of fact, there have been many posts and threads here which have detailed STO's good and bad points. If it seems like the bad outweigh the good, well that's STO for you. Some people have made it their goal to warn people off of STO, and Cryptic in general. I will not begrudge them that; ultimately it is up to you to decide if you will try it for yourself (you obviously decided to go ahead and try it).
As for trying out Bill Roper's work at Cryptic, you should have purchased CO instead of STO; not only is CO a far better game than STO, but Roper actually had a hand in developing that game. Sure he was briefly in charge of STO, but he wasn't in that position long enough to really matter one way or the other before he was made CCO. While in the CCO spot, the sense I had was that he really wasn't generating change in either game so much as being a PR man and public scapegoat for Cryptic.
Since you have ordered STO, I have one request: we see people all the time in here who load and patch the game, play a couple hours, and then come in here posting how great the game is and how everyone who criticizes the game are all a bunch of trolls. Inevitably, the majority of them eventually come back later and state the same problems that were pointed out. All I ask is that, before posting the "This is the greatest game ever!" thread, you play through the 30 day free period first (or if you can't stand to play the game any longer, post then).
You may come to dislike the game as most have. Then again, you may be one of those rare players who loves the game as is. Either way, play through the game first, and then let us know how you feel about it. Just please don't post about how great STO will be someday; we tend to hear that a lot here.
This topic is about Bill Roper, so that's why I mentioned STO. I've read the critics. I have browsed the item shop and I only bought the game, because it was 50% for the CE. I collect artbooks and it has a bonus of Star Trek communicator. I've have huge concerns for the game, but like you said, I'm going to play it through before I'm going to have an opinion.
I've been in Beta for Age of Conan and Warhammer. 2 other games I didn't buy. I've seen people posting about those games on 3rd party forums. I've played Darkfall, that game is still heavily discussed. I've pre-ordered 2 copies of Mortal Online. Never renewed my subscription. I'm not going to claim I know all about these games, but I know that I saw more rants and fanbois praises then I've seen really constructive posts.
I hate to bring it but my friends and most of my guildmates read MMORPG.com for the latest news and the rants. For fanbois we go to the gameforums. Then we install the trial or buy one account to test out the game and make up our own mind about the game.
Ah, my mistake; please disregard my previous post then!
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
1. I've have huge concerns for the game, but like you said, I'm going to play it through before I'm going to have an opinion.
2. I've been in Beta for Age of Conan and Warhammer. 2 other games I didn't buy. I've seen people posting about those games on 3rd party forums. I've played Darkfall, that game is still heavily discussed. I've pre-ordered 2 copies of Mortal Online. Never renewed my subscription. I'm not going to claim I know all about these games, but I know that I saw more rants and fanbois praises then I've seen really constructive posts.
3. I hate to bring it but my friends and most of my guildmates read MMORPG.com for the latest news and the rants. For fanbois we go to the gameforums. Then we install the trial or buy one account to test out the game and make up our own mind about the game.
I broke your post up in numbered sections, so that it would be a bit clearer what I was referencing in each section:
1. First of all, thank you for be willing to play it through first, before reviewing it. All too often, that is a rare thing here and we get people who are still in the tutorial heaping glorious praise upon the game. I can understand the attraction to C.E. goodies, as I have given in to those temptations myself on occassion.
2. This game has brought out more of both of those groups than any other I have seen before. Perhaps because hopes were so high from the game being ressurected, only to miss the mark by so much once it finally did launch? However, most of the people posting now are giving honest, valid criticsm. If you think it is bad now, you should have seen it at launch.
3. I think you will find that with Cryptic games from now on, it is probably better to put five bucks down on a pre-order, get into the open beta, and check them out there. Cryptic's new version of a free trial is somewhat lacking currently.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
As much as I'm happy the bastard is gone, I just know he's only done this to save his own ass.. just like he did with Failship Studios- when things started to go bad he upped and ran.
As much as I'm happy the bastard is gone, I just know he's only done this to save his own ass.. just like he did with Failship Studios- when things started to go bad he upped and ran.
I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
Well if it is, you now know to be wary of anything he is involved with; it's not like the companies who hire him keep him secret.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I'd bet everything i own, my house, my car, my guitars, even my manhood that no matter which new MMO project Roper is overtly attached to there will be at least 100,000 suckers who'll purchase it expecting a "WoW-killer".
I'd bet everything i own, my house, my car, my guitars, even my manhood that no matter which new MMO project Roper is overtly attached to there will be at least 100,000 suckers who'll purchase it expecting a "WoW-killer".
and id bet that 75% of those people quit the game at the end of there first sub.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Bill Roper is not a bad guy, but he needs to be teamed with a competent programmer. In Diablo he was teamed with Jeff Strain who wasn't afraid to tell him when something wouldn't work.
In Hellgate, CO and STO he missed such a guy and it went bad. He is not the only guy like that either, look on how Vanguard went for Brad McQuaide, same thing.
Besides, no one can pull off a good game in the time Cryptic had for STO, and hardly for Champions either, they were far off, MMOs takes at least 5 years to make.
Bill Roper is not a genius but he isn't really bad either. I wouldn't want to design a Star trek game that would release after 2 years development, that is a sure failure. No one could have pulled that off, it was impossible and both Atari and Cryptic knew that the whole time. 2 years is hardly enough to make a regular good game.
Bill Roper is not a bad guy, but he needs to be teamed with a competent programmer. In Diablo he was teamed with Jeff Strain who wasn't afraid to tell him when something wouldn't work.
In Hellgate, CO and STO he missed such a guy and it went bad. He is not the only guy like that either, look on how Vanguard went for Brad McQuaide, same thing.
Besides, no one can pull off a good game in the time Cryptic had for STO, and hardly for Champions either, they were far off, MMOs takes at least 5 years to make.
Bill Roper is not a genius but he isn't really bad either. I wouldn't want to design a Star trek game that would release after 2 years development, that is a sure failure. No one could have pulled that off, it was impossible and both Atari and Cryptic knew that the whole time. 2 years is hardly enough to make a regular good game.
I'm not so sure Atari knew it; remember, Cryptic was selling how great their new, recustomizable engine was, and how fast they could turn it around to produce a new MMO with only a fraction of the time. However, even Atari should have known that trying to develop two MMOs at the same time was foolish.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
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I'm surprised the Roper "quitting" announcement got to 7 pages before being locked and that only a couple posts got mod edited. I guess most people expressed their "love" of Roper on a 3rd party site like this one so it didn't get edited.
False. Hes actually gained notoriety from being lead designer of Diablo .
Reading that article I linked, it seems that SOE initially bought into Brad's sales pitch just like Microsoft did; it was only after getting the same run-around he (Brad) gave to Microsoft that SOE became suspicious. I love Vanguard, even with all the problems it still has today, but I can't say that I really blame SOE for focusing on their own product and letting Vanguard languish like it has. What Sigil launched was more along the lines of an alpha client and I can't fault SOE for not wanting to pump even more money into Vanguard, especially considering the extreme management problems Sigil was having.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Most people (even if they can post on the STO forums) have learned by now that any post that reads as criticsm, valid or not, gets edited by Devs very quickly and/or gets attacked by the fans (quite often with blatant encouragement from the Devs). Third party websites like this one are the only places where you can give honest opinions (either for or against) without having your post disappear (excepting, of course, rules violations).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Unless you absolutely loathed the game, in which case that would skew your perception, he gained fame (a positive increase in reputation) from his work on Diablo; that is why he was a big name to begin with. After the Hellgate: London fiasco, he gained notoriety (a negative increase in reputation, a.k.a. infamy). His work with Cryptic has since increased his notoriety (again: reduced his reputation, made him even more infamous).
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Correct. He gained INFAMY from heading up Hellgate London.
If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, riddle 'em with bullets
Yeah, but still a lot of biased people, trolls and fanbois find their ways to these forums. From personal experience, I read more posts made by people who are disgruntled with a game which resulted in rants and even crusades against the game or gamestudio, then there are really good informative posts. I guess it will be the same with this Roper fellow.
I don't know this Bill Roper guy, just saw his name pop-up on 2 games I followed; Hellgate London and Star Trek Online. Both games I didn't purchase at release. However I just ordered a copy of STO. So he much have done something right, as I really enjoyed playing the demo. Oh and I played Diablo and i believe someone mentioned he was involved with that game too.
Ok, I generally dislike doing this, but it seems people are misunderstanding the word (I put the important parts in yellow):
Main Entry: no·to·ri·e·ty
Pronunciation: ?n?-t?-?r?-?-t?
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural no·to·ri·e·ties
Etymology: Middle French or Medieval Latin; Middle French notorieté, from Medieval Latin notorietat-, notorietas, from notorius
Date: circa 1650
1 : the quality or state of being notorious
2 : a notorious person
Main Entry: no·to·ri·ous
Pronunciation:
?-?to?r-?-?s, n?-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Medieval Latin notorius, from Late Latin notorium information, indictment, from Latin noscere to come to know — more at know
Date: 1534
: generally known and talked of; especially : widely and unfavorably known
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Your first mistake is in assuming that all the negative posts concerning STO are not trying to inform you of the games problems; in point of fact, there have been many posts and threads here which have detailed STO's good and bad points. If it seems like the bad outweigh the good, well that's STO for you. Some people have made it their goal to warn people off of STO, and Cryptic in general. I will not begrudge them that; ultimately it is up to you to decide if you will try it for yourself (you obviously decided to go ahead and try it).
As for trying out Bill Roper's work at Cryptic, you should have purchased CO instead of STO; not only is CO a far better game than STO, but Roper actually had a hand in developing that game. Sure he was briefly in charge of STO, but he wasn't in that position long enough to really matter one way or the other before he was made CCO. While in the CCO spot, the sense I had was that he really wasn't generating change in either game so much as being a PR man and public scapegoat for Cryptic.
Since you have ordered STO, I have one request: we see people all the time in here who load and patch the game, play a couple hours, and then come in here posting how great the game is and how everyone who criticizes the game are all a bunch of trolls. Inevitably, the majority of them eventually come back later and state the same problems that were pointed out. All I ask is that, before posting the "This is the greatest game ever!" thread, you play through the 30 day free period first (or if you can't stand to play the game any longer, post then).
You may come to dislike the game as most have. Then again, you may be one of those rare players who loves the game as is. Either way, play through the game first, and then let us know how you feel about it. Just please don't post about how great STO will be someday; we tend to hear that a lot here.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Wrong. Roper is listed (with Shane Dabiri) as a producer on Diablo, as well as helping with Voice, Story, and Manual. Give credit where it's due. The Senior Designers were Erich Schaefer and Dave Brevik, with Max Schaefer, Erik Sexton, and Ken Williams also in the Design Team. Roper is a PR man, plain and simple. He must be pretty good at it because he's convinced people like the poster above that he's done more than he actually has.
If you are referring to me, at what point did I say that he actually accomplished anything other than being a PR man and scapegoat for Cryptic? Sure I said he was in charge of CO once, but that doesn't mean he actually did anything in that position. In point of fact, I'm not sure he has actually ever accomplished anything for Cryptic other than PR and being the pointman for player's dislike.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
No, Din. It was Slipknot up the page.
This topic is about Bill Roper, so that's why I mentioned STO. I've read the critics. I have browsed the item shop and I only bought the game, because it was 50% for the CE. I collect artbooks and it has a bonus of Star Trek communicator. I've have huge concerns for the game, but like you said, I'm going to play it through before I'm going to have an opinion.
I've been in Beta for Age of Conan and Warhammer. 2 other games I didn't buy. I've seen people posting about those games on 3rd party forums. I've played Darkfall, that game is still heavily discussed. I've pre-ordered 2 copies of Mortal Online. Never renewed my subscription. I'm not going to claim I know all about these games, but I know that I saw more rants and fanbois praises then I've seen really constructive posts.
I hate to bring it but my friends and most of my guildmates read MMORPG.com for the latest news and the rants. For fanbois we go to the gameforums. Then we install the trial or buy one account to test out the game and make up our own mind about the game.
It's weird that he's leaving so soon after zinc. I hear zinc's goat isn't doing well. Maybe he needs help tending it?
Ah, my mistake; please disregard my previous post then!
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I broke your post up in numbered sections, so that it would be a bit clearer what I was referencing in each section:
1. First of all, thank you for be willing to play it through first, before reviewing it. All too often, that is a rare thing here and we get people who are still in the tutorial heaping glorious praise upon the game. I can understand the attraction to C.E. goodies, as I have given in to those temptations myself on occassion.
2. This game has brought out more of both of those groups than any other I have seen before. Perhaps because hopes were so high from the game being ressurected, only to miss the mark by so much once it finally did launch? However, most of the people posting now are giving honest, valid criticsm. If you think it is bad now, you should have seen it at launch.
3. I think you will find that with Cryptic games from now on, it is probably better to put five bucks down on a pre-order, get into the open beta, and check them out there. Cryptic's new version of a free trial is somewhat lacking currently.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
As much as I'm happy the bastard is gone, I just know he's only done this to save his own ass.. just like he did with Failship Studios- when things started to go bad he upped and ran.
I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
Well if it is, you now know to be wary of anything he is involved with; it's not like the companies who hire him keep him secret.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
All i want to know is what project is he joining up with next cause whatever direction he goes in i want to make sure im headed in the opposite way.
Wonder if he could hook up with that guy from Alganon.
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
You mean, "Stop making shit up because you can" guy Derek Smart? They would make a good couple I think.
Anyway, bye bye Roper....
I'd bet everything i own, my house, my car, my guitars, even my manhood that no matter which new MMO project Roper is overtly attached to there will be at least 100,000 suckers who'll purchase it expecting a "WoW-killer".
and id bet that 75% of those people quit the game at the end of there first sub.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Bill Roper is not a bad guy, but he needs to be teamed with a competent programmer. In Diablo he was teamed with Jeff Strain who wasn't afraid to tell him when something wouldn't work.
In Hellgate, CO and STO he missed such a guy and it went bad. He is not the only guy like that either, look on how Vanguard went for Brad McQuaide, same thing.
Besides, no one can pull off a good game in the time Cryptic had for STO, and hardly for Champions either, they were far off, MMOs takes at least 5 years to make.
Bill Roper is not a genius but he isn't really bad either. I wouldn't want to design a Star trek game that would release after 2 years development, that is a sure failure. No one could have pulled that off, it was impossible and both Atari and Cryptic knew that the whole time. 2 years is hardly enough to make a regular good game.
I'm not so sure Atari knew it; remember, Cryptic was selling how great their new, recustomizable engine was, and how fast they could turn it around to produce a new MMO with only a fraction of the time. However, even Atari should have known that trying to develop two MMOs at the same time was foolish.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan