I'd rather not compare the two combat systems of TOR and GW2, because, lets face it, they aren't really going head to head. Both combat systems seem to have advantages and disadvantages. GW2 is very similar to GW1, which gives a vast amount of skills with limited skill selection, limited animation choices, but your skill deck can be very involved and rewarding.
TOR is more of a dynamic choreographed combat, that is meant to have a great aesthetic appeal and give a cinematic feel to it rather then the usual functional approach of most MMOs. The skills are based upon class selection and varies depending on alignment and player choice.
Both systems look good to me. The original guild wars was fun for me for a good while until my skill deck started to feel the same, and the gameplay felt stale, I see that happening a lot less in GW2.
Really its a matter of preference, but both games are still in the early DEMO stages, so expect more polish and some changes as they progress.
This simply doesn't look appealing to me. To much particle effects and what not.
TOR combat looks like more fun to me.
This is 100% subjective. I'm not saying one is going to be better quality than the other, just that they look quite different and will likely appeal to different audiences, although of course there will be some overlap, and some players will like both.
Bully for you,perhaps spouting nonsense in the political forum is more your cup of tea.
Anyway, ill use your line "this is 100% subjective"
What made me chuckle about this video is the cheese-ball way someone *Gasps in complete awe* when the toon does a some crappy skill move which lots of effects on.
truth be told i dont even care which one looks better, have more particle effects or a cooler choreography
SWToR = PvP as a secondary gimmick afterthough
GW2 = PvP as a main feature
That alone settled the argument for me 1 year ago...
Actually the developers of TOR built TOR combat with PvP in mind, that was one of the very first developer quotes and still holds true. PvP was never an afterthought in TOR.
Sorry to break up such a clear cut decision for you.
truth be told i dont even care which one looks better, have more particle effects or a cooler choreography
SWToR = PvP as a secondary gimmick afterthough
GW2 = PvP as a main feature
That alone settled the argument for me 1 year ago...
Not to spark another TOR vs GW2 debate, I think the footage for the latter is looking good, but TOR does have World PvP, while GW2 does not outside of the mists.
There just hasn't been much revealed about it (except that it has gear rewards, that there will be both instanced and world), so I wouldn't write that off as a 'secondary gimmick' just yet.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I'm not liking the look of GW2 at all, it's so much like those Korean games with flashy moves and overdone lighting, while hitting for stupid amounts of damage. Ooh, I hit for 2857! Wow.. It seems a little dumb to me. But then again, not really liking the look of TOR either, there didn't seem to be a lot going on really. I couldn't tell when heals were being cast or any special moves being done. Also I'm hoping that TOR adds some shadows before release, as it's really jarring having these characters cast no shadow.
SWTOR combat looked a lot cleaner to look at and is well choreographed too. My opinion is that the SWTOR vids look better than the GW2 vids (including the below), instead of the actual combat looking better (!)
See, when you see cleaner, I see bland, uninspired, and boring. The choreography in SW:TOR is visually appealing, I admit, but is that really in the hands of the player, or is it a random animation that plays during an attack or defending from an attack?
We must be seeing different vids. I cannot reconcile any of the SW:TOR vids (outside of the full-blown CGI movies which are admittedly incredible) as coming close to the gameplay quality of the GW2 vids. I am sure they'll both be good games, and they each are high calibre, but within that framework I just think GW2 stands taller.
But if we all liked the same thing life would be pretty boring.
Funny that is kind of what I seen with the GW2 videos... Granted this was some kind of a dev in god mode or whatever. But meh... At this point it is not doing it for me. The best part I seen so far was the big battle with the elemental and that was because of all the extra effects going on.
truth be told i dont even care which one looks better, have more particle effects or a cooler choreography
SWToR = PvP as a secondary gimmick afterthough
GW2 = PvP as a main feature
That alone settled the argument for me 1 year ago...
Not to spark another TOR vs GW2 debate, I think the footage for the latter is looking good, but TOR does have World PvP, while GW2 does not outside of the mists.
There just hasn't been much revealed about it (except that it has gear rewards, that there will be both instanced and world), so I wouldn't write that off as a 'secondary gimmick' just yet.
People don't realize that SWTOR is a game that will be primarily focused on PVP more than likely. I know they keep talking about their story, but that is just the main thing that is making the game stand out...
This game will be heavily PVP oriented, but I guess they may have the option to not be engaged in the pvp. Not real clear on that.>>> I kind of pictured a more AION like pvp scene, but I really don't know what is going on until the devs really get into the pvp aspect.
This simply doesn't look appealing to me. To much particle effects and what not.
TOR combat looks like more fun to me.
This is 100% subjective. I'm not saying one is going to be better quality than the other, just that they look quite different and will likely appeal to different audiences, although of course there will be some overlap, and some players will like both.
A bad quality cam but I am not surprised. GW2 is not for everyone, the way it handles loot, quests and combat are not the same as current MMOs.
If you love the holy triad you probably should play something else. As for particle effects, those can be turned off in almost every game so them in itself shouldn't be the reason not to play but there are several others if you want a traditional MMO.
I don't think there is a MMO for everyone if Wow tries do do that. And at first look TOR and GW2 might be a lot like eachother but if you look closer they are opposites in many ways.
I still don't think you should make a judgement with just 5 minutes of bad quality demo footage however, wait until you at least get to see something with high quality but it is not at all unlikely that TOR will more be your kind of game.
I think that a lot of people will dislike GW2 and a lot will really love it, their ideas on loot and grinding will get both many fans and haters. Personally do I think it is great that they do something different but I will probably try both GW2 and TOR anyways when they release.
truth be told i dont even care which one looks better, have more particle effects or a cooler choreography
SWToR = PvP as a secondary gimmick afterthough
GW2 = PvP as a main feature
That alone settled the argument for me 1 year ago...
Not to spark another TOR vs GW2 debate, I think the footage for the latter is looking good, but TOR does have World PvP, while GW2 does not outside of the mists.
There just hasn't been much revealed about it (except that it has gear rewards, that there will be both instanced and world), so I wouldn't write that off as a 'secondary gimmick' just yet.
People don't realize that SWTOR is a game that will be primarily focused on PVP more than likely. I know they keep talking about their story, but that is just the main thing that is making the game stand out...
This game will be heavily PVP oriented, but I guess they may have the option to not be engaged in the pvp. Not real clear on that.>>> I kind of pictured a more AION like pvp scene, but I really don't know what is going on until the devs really get into the pvp aspect.
Bull crap, they have not mentioned once that swtor will be primarily PVP, that's your own views and speculation. Will swtor have PVP, yes of course it will like every mmorpg that comes out these days. From what i know about swtor it will be primarily a PVE story mode game not the other way round.
As it stands now everything is pointing to a story driven mmorpg that will have PVP but nothing on the scale of GW2 PVP system.
Because you say it is doesn't mean that BioWare say it is.
GW2 has vast amounts of PVE, this has been said on many occassions. Just the underwater content makes up a vast amount of PVE content.
This simply doesn't look appealing to me. To much particle effects and what not.
TOR combat looks like more fun to me.
This is 100% subjective. I'm not saying one is going to be better quality than the other, just that they look quite different and will likely appeal to different audiences, although of course there will be some overlap, and some players will like both.
A bad quality cam but I am not surprised. GW2 is not for everyone, the way it handles loot, quests and combat are not the same as current MMOs.
If you love the holy triad you probably should play something else. As for particle effects, those can be turned off in almost every game so them in itself shouldn't be the reason not to play but there are several others if you want a traditional MMO.
I don't think there is a MMO for everyone if Wow tries do do that. And at first look TOR and GW2 might be a lot like eachother but if you look closer they are opposites in many ways.
I still don't think you should make a judgement with just 5 minutes of bad quality demo footage however, wait until you at least get to see something with high quality but it is not at all unlikely that TOR will more be your kind of game.
I think that a lot of people will dislike GW2 and a lot will really love it, their ideas on loot and grinding will get both many fans and haters. Personally do I think it is great that they do something different but I will probably try both GW2 and TOR anyways when they release.
It wasnt' really the quality of the game I was commenting on, but rather the style.
The style won't drastically change no matter how high quality the video is.
truth be told i dont even care which one looks better, have more particle effects or a cooler choreography
SWToR = PvP as a secondary gimmick afterthough
GW2 = PvP as a main feature
That alone settled the argument for me 1 year ago...
Not to spark another TOR vs GW2 debate, I think the footage for the latter is looking good, but TOR does have World PvP, while GW2 does not outside of the mists.
There just hasn't been much revealed about it (except that it has gear rewards, that there will be both instanced and world), so I wouldn't write that off as a 'secondary gimmick' just yet.
People don't realize that SWTOR is a game that will be primarily focused on PVP more than likely. I know they keep talking about their story, but that is just the main thing that is making the game stand out...
This game will be heavily PVP oriented, but I guess they may have the option to not be engaged in the pvp. Not real clear on that.>>> I kind of pictured a more AION like pvp scene, but I really don't know what is going on until the devs really get into the pvp aspect.
Bull crap, they have not mentioned once that swtor will be primarily PVP, that's your own views and speculation. Will swtor have PVP, yes of course it will like every mmorpg that comes out these days. From what i know about swtor it will be primarily a PVE story mode game not the other way round.
As it stands now everything is pointing to a story driven mmorpg that will have PVP but nothing on the scale of GW2 PVP system.
Because you say it is doesn't mean that BioWare say it is.
GW2 has vast amounts of PVE, this has been said on many occassions. Just the underwater content makes up a vast amount of PVE content.
Meh whatever. Bioware doesn't release all the information right at the door like A-net does... Probably because there is alot more to their game other than what they have told you already.
They have big plans for pvp , we already know that. They just like to release the information at set and determine times of when they feel like discussing it. Or when they feel like they have a finsihed product to show off.
You just aren't following the game as much... What kind of star wars game will not be focused on PVP? Except for swg I guess. They weren't focused on pvp either apparently from what the forums say.
This would be a huge mistake for BW not to have a heavy focus on it or big plans for world pvp , imo.
SWTOR will not have world pvp, stop spreading out false information, fanbois. They will only have Battlegrounds/Scenarios initially.
They already said they would have world pvp. Unless they are lying about it.
It's already been said and shown, so I doubt they're lying about it.
PvE Server confirmed if you do not want to PvP, thus confirming that there should be PvP servers - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
It looks possible that Open World PvP is available in game as seen in Video (ofc it could just be a PvP Server)- Combat Dev. Vid.
Quote from James Olhen: "We're going to have open world PvP, As for the more structured PvP, I can't going into details but we will have it" - PC Gamer UK April 2010
Small amount of PvP action shown between 3 players during Dev. Video (4.00) - Designing the Darkside
This simply doesn't look appealing to me. To much particle effects and what not.
TOR combat looks like more fun to me.
This is 100% subjective. I'm not saying one is going to be better quality than the other, just that they look quite different and will likely appeal to different audiences, although of course there will be some overlap, and some players will like both.
A bad quality cam but I am not surprised. GW2 is not for everyone, the way it handles loot, quests and combat are not the same as current MMOs.
If you love the holy triad you probably should play something else. As for particle effects, those can be turned off in almost every game so them in itself shouldn't be the reason not to play but there are several others if you want a traditional MMO.
I don't think there is a MMO for everyone if Wow tries do do that. And at first look TOR and GW2 might be a lot like eachother but if you look closer they are opposites in many ways.
I still don't think you should make a judgement with just 5 minutes of bad quality demo footage however, wait until you at least get to see something with high quality but it is not at all unlikely that TOR will more be your kind of game.
I think that a lot of people will dislike GW2 and a lot will really love it, their ideas on loot and grinding will get both many fans and haters. Personally do I think it is great that they do something different but I will probably try both GW2 and TOR anyways when they release.
Not exaclty sure how "heals for everyone!!" is gonna work in a pvp setting tbh. Gonna be hard to take alot of people out. Then again swg has heals for everyone too, so who knows.
SWTOR will not have world pvp, stop spreading out false information, fanbois. They will only have Battlegrounds/Scenarios initially.
They already said they would have world pvp. Unless they are lying about it.
It's already been said and shown, so I doubt they're lying about it.
PvE Server confirmed if you do not want to PvP, thus confirming that there should be PvP servers - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
It looks possible that Open World PvP is available in game as seen in Video (ofc it could just be a PvP Server)- Combat Dev. Vid.
Quote from James Olhen: "We're going to have open world PvP, As for the more structured PvP, I can't going into details but we will have it" - PC Gamer UK April 2010
Small amount of PvP action shown between 3 players during Dev. Video (4.00) - Designing the Darkside
QFE that says it all right there. DId Bw lie? I doubt it.
As far as gw 2 . At this point I was impressed with the elemental battle. I still want to know more about this game and the system in which the maps will work. I also still want to see the ranger in actual gameplay.
This simply doesn't look appealing to me. To much particle effects and what not.
TOR combat looks like more fun to me.
This is 100% subjective. I'm not saying one is going to be better quality than the other, just that they look quite different and will likely appeal to different audiences, although of course there will be some overlap, and some players will like both.
That actually was a particularily bad gameplay video there are far FAR better ones than that. You should see the one against the shatterer
You see, that is a much better example. I loved what I saw there. Still not crazy about the fruity outter glow on mobs being engaged, but everything else was very clean and fluid.
It wasnt' really the quality of the game I was commenting on, but rather the style.
The style won't drastically change no matter how high quality the video is.
If you dont like the style then there aint much that anyone can do make to make you change your mind.
I dont know the real purpose of this thread.
Mostly jazz is not cup of tea, should I make a thread about it on a music forum ?
Meh, people share their opinion all the time on this site. While I agree with you that there is no purpose to it (unless he wants to start some trolling thread, which these tend to devolve in).
Ihmotepp, sorry that you didn't like the style of the game. At least you didn't come here to bash it with baseless assumptions like some have. Anyway, hopefully one of the new mmos coming out next year will have something more to your preference.
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I think TOR combat looks a bit stiff for my taste, but to each his own I guess.
Kotor suffered from the same problem, but that game turned out great.
I'd rather not compare the two combat systems of TOR and GW2, because, lets face it, they aren't really going head to head. Both combat systems seem to have advantages and disadvantages. GW2 is very similar to GW1, which gives a vast amount of skills with limited skill selection, limited animation choices, but your skill deck can be very involved and rewarding.
TOR is more of a dynamic choreographed combat, that is meant to have a great aesthetic appeal and give a cinematic feel to it rather then the usual functional approach of most MMOs. The skills are based upon class selection and varies depending on alignment and player choice.
Both systems look good to me. The original guild wars was fun for me for a good while until my skill deck started to feel the same, and the gameplay felt stale, I see that happening a lot less in GW2.
Really its a matter of preference, but both games are still in the early DEMO stages, so expect more polish and some changes as they progress.
This, no matter how PvE is good it will become boring to me in 1 month max, while pvp can never become boring for me.
Bully for you,perhaps spouting nonsense in the political forum is more your cup of tea.
Anyway, ill use your line "this is 100% subjective"
Fine you prefer TOR, guess that's that then.
What made me chuckle about this video is the cheese-ball way someone *Gasps in complete awe* when the toon does a some crappy skill move which lots of effects on.
I was completly under whelmed.
Actually the developers of TOR built TOR combat with PvP in mind, that was one of the very first developer quotes and still holds true. PvP was never an afterthought in TOR.
Sorry to break up such a clear cut decision for you.
Not to spark another TOR vs GW2 debate, I think the footage for the latter is looking good, but TOR does have World PvP, while GW2 does not outside of the mists.
There just hasn't been much revealed about it (except that it has gear rewards, that there will be both instanced and world), so I wouldn't write that off as a 'secondary gimmick' just yet.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I'm not liking the look of GW2 at all, it's so much like those Korean games with flashy moves and overdone lighting, while hitting for stupid amounts of damage. Ooh, I hit for 2857! Wow.. It seems a little dumb to me. But then again, not really liking the look of TOR either, there didn't seem to be a lot going on really. I couldn't tell when heals were being cast or any special moves being done. Also I'm hoping that TOR adds some shadows before release, as it's really jarring having these characters cast no shadow.
That video was a rehearsal.
Take a look at THIS LINK and scroll down. You will find an ABUNDANCE of good videos that really show you the gameplay.
Just a quick warning, the speed of the gameplay depends on the player's skill, I've seen some gameplay that look downright boring and some that are downright awesome (with the same class). There's an ele skill vid that will make you want to play the ele as your main class.
THIS video shows the demo that was shown on the live stream and at the event but in english.
This is not a game.
Funny that is kind of what I seen with the GW2 videos... Granted this was some kind of a dev in god mode or whatever. But meh... At this point it is not doing it for me. The best part I seen so far was the big battle with the elemental and that was because of all the extra effects going on.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
People don't realize that SWTOR is a game that will be primarily focused on PVP more than likely. I know they keep talking about their story, but that is just the main thing that is making the game stand out...
This game will be heavily PVP oriented, but I guess they may have the option to not be engaged in the pvp. Not real clear on that.>>> I kind of pictured a more AION like pvp scene, but I really don't know what is going on until the devs really get into the pvp aspect.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
SWTOR will not have world pvp, stop spreading out false information, fanbois. They will only have Battlegrounds/Scenarios initially.
Guild Wars 2 is. We are not talking about the first Guild Wars.
A bad quality cam but I am not surprised. GW2 is not for everyone, the way it handles loot, quests and combat are not the same as current MMOs.
If you love the holy triad you probably should play something else. As for particle effects, those can be turned off in almost every game so them in itself shouldn't be the reason not to play but there are several others if you want a traditional MMO.
I don't think there is a MMO for everyone if Wow tries do do that. And at first look TOR and GW2 might be a lot like eachother but if you look closer they are opposites in many ways.
I still don't think you should make a judgement with just 5 minutes of bad quality demo footage however, wait until you at least get to see something with high quality but it is not at all unlikely that TOR will more be your kind of game.
I think that a lot of people will dislike GW2 and a lot will really love it, their ideas on loot and grinding will get both many fans and haters. Personally do I think it is great that they do something different but I will probably try both GW2 and TOR anyways when they release.
Bull crap, they have not mentioned once that swtor will be primarily PVP, that's your own views and speculation. Will swtor have PVP, yes of course it will like every mmorpg that comes out these days. From what i know about swtor it will be primarily a PVE story mode game not the other way round.
As it stands now everything is pointing to a story driven mmorpg that will have PVP but nothing on the scale of GW2 PVP system.
Because you say it is doesn't mean that BioWare say it is.
GW2 has vast amounts of PVE, this has been said on many occassions. Just the underwater content makes up a vast amount of PVE content.
It wasnt' really the quality of the game I was commenting on, but rather the style.
The style won't drastically change no matter how high quality the video is.
They already said they would have world pvp. Unless they are lying about it.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Meh whatever. Bioware doesn't release all the information right at the door like A-net does... Probably because there is alot more to their game other than what they have told you already.
They have big plans for pvp , we already know that. They just like to release the information at set and determine times of when they feel like discussing it. Or when they feel like they have a finsihed product to show off.
You just aren't following the game as much... What kind of star wars game will not be focused on PVP? Except for swg I guess. They weren't focused on pvp either apparently from what the forums say.
This would be a huge mistake for BW not to have a heavy focus on it or big plans for world pvp , imo.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
It's already been said and shown, so I doubt they're lying about it.
PvE Server confirmed if you do not want to PvP, thus confirming that there should be PvP servers - Darth Hater Q&A PAX
It looks possible that Open World PvP is available in game as seen in Video (ofc it could just be a PvP Server)- Combat Dev. Vid.
Quote from James Olhen: "We're going to have open world PvP, As for the more structured PvP, I can't going into details but we will have it" - PC Gamer UK April 2010
Small amount of PvP action shown between 3 players during Dev. Video (4.00) - Designing the Darkside
Go to 3:57 in the video
Not exaclty sure how "heals for everyone!!" is gonna work in a pvp setting tbh. Gonna be hard to take alot of people out. Then again swg has heals for everyone too, so who knows.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
QFE that says it all right there. DId Bw lie? I doubt it.
As far as gw 2 . At this point I was impressed with the elemental battle. I still want to know more about this game and the system in which the maps will work. I also still want to see the ranger in actual gameplay.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
You see, that is a much better example. I loved what I saw there. Still not crazy about the fruity outter glow on mobs being engaged, but everything else was very clean and fluid.
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If you dont like the style then there aint much that anyone can do make to make you change your mind.
I dont know the real purpose of this thread.
Mostly jazz is not cup of tea, should I make a thread about it on a music forum ?
Meh, people share their opinion all the time on this site. While I agree with you that there is no purpose to it (unless he wants to start some trolling thread, which these tend to devolve in).
Ihmotepp, sorry that you didn't like the style of the game. At least you didn't come here to bash it with baseless assumptions like some have. Anyway, hopefully one of the new mmos coming out next year will have something more to your preference.
Yea it looks too cartoonish to me. Worse than wow imo. Though wow is like dc comics and this is more like marvel, its still too much flash zing bam.