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Hello fellow MMORPGers,
I hope this post finds everyone well and enjoying their respective game(s).
For the past month or so I have been researching DFO to determine whether I should give it a try, and I must say that I have come away quite impressed. I was particularly heartened by the recent posts of mmorpg.com users Lustmord and Marzineck (sp?), who are casual gamers and seem to really enjoy the game. I have also watched the youtube video review posted by MMOhut.com and several different tutorial videos recommended by posters in this forum, and the gameplay looks fun and challenging and the graphics far exceeded my expectations.
So I know what many of you guys will say: "Try the free trial! You have nothing to lose!" And you would be correct....BUT...I would like to start my free trial once the new PvE expansion/patch is released. I looked around the offical Darkfall forums but I could not find a firm date for the release of this expansion/patch. Would anyone here be so kind as to tell me when it is expected to drop, presuming no official date has been set?
Best Regards,
Lctwo
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There is no official release date for the expansion as far as I know. AV tends to push things back when they feel they aren't ready, so its really anyone's guess as to when it will be out...
Thank you for the quick response Anubisan.
Also, am I correct in assuming that the PvE expansion/patch is different from the giant Darkfall 2010 expac that I have read about here and on the DFO official forums? For example, on July 14th one of their devs posted on the official forums that the expansion/patch would have to be pushed back a few weeks or maybe even a month or two. Was he referring to the expansion/patch or the Darkfall 2010 expac?
Clearly one can tell that I am a bit confused on this.
Best Regards,
Lctwo
Right he was reffering to the next expansion what will be a "PvE expansioon" that is weeks away (last estimation was within the month the follow up to the Q&A was in spotlight forum) , the DF2010 is scheduled for end of the year but high probability it will not be on time again
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=256293
"There was an announcement about this and our newest estimate is one month with an effort to make it sooner. This won’t delay further development and on that topic, we are running parallel development of Darkfall and Darkfall 2010." (2010 - Aug - 06)
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Just got of my first night of the trial.
I was very dissapointed.
Ill give it a few more tries, but the first day is a very fustrating day in this game, no matter how much mmorpg or fps experience you have.
There are many little things that DF makes needlessly fustrating. Even after you get the controls and combat down.
If your looking for pvp, your going to have to do a hell of a lot of grinding, macroing,a nd afk skilling to get your character there.
Try it out yourself, but you need to really want to like this game make it past the first day controls and community.
Tomorrow ill roll another race and forget about magic ( i wanted to make a mage). Apparently theres two paths to take in this skill sandbox, leveling everything and going defender. which cant use magic but gets other bonuses. This is usually the case for games that dont define a class and lets players choose, everyone levels everything, which isnt fun if your not interested in anything but a mage.
I have my beef in DarkFall, but a new player who played DarkFall for the first time would not even know about the grind wall, hell unless you removed New Player Protection, you can't even PvP.
Controls, some players had difficulties with it, I personally didn't and the UI actually felt a bit familiar so I wasn't affected that much. But I've heard more players having issues with UI than none, so I'll agree with you here.
As for your last paragraph, Hyrbrid and Indestructible are indeed the main 2 play-style that players favors. But this is not usually the case for sandbox that have no classes, most games have either Hardcaps or meaningfull Specialization. DarkFall has none, and that's the issue here.
A Mage-Only build is somewhat viable, you have many knockback spells and all, it's possible to play Mage-Only, but most players still prefer to use Melee for close-combat just in case. Mana is limited and all.(even though you can use Health To Mana)
DarthRaiden,
Thank you so much for taking the time to clarify this distinction. I will plan on downloading the 14-day trial as soon as the PvE expansion drops.
When I do download the trial, I will be sure to post my in-game handle on this forum in hopes that some of you guys wouldn't mind running around with a lowbie/noob. I would definitely like to make some in-game acquaintences/friends, perhaps even join a guild after the obligatory time spent with the "New" guild.
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. I greatly appreciate it!
Best Regards,
Lctwo
I enjoyed this game alot. Played it a long time and had many great experiences that you would never have in any other games. (jumping on a dragons back and trying to kill it) lolz BUT, you need a group to enjoy this game to the full extent. It will take a long time to raise your stats but they've made it 6x easier since launch. It will still take time tho. My advice is to find a cool group of people to go around and kill shit with. Thats were the fun in this game will start and last.
Don't expect the PvE Expac to hit in September. It was first set to launch in June, then was delayed to July, then delayed again in Agust and now September. We really have no clear date and AV does those "last minute" messages along the lines of "Oops, we're having issues, delayed for another month, we are working hard!".
Do give DF a try once the PvE expac hits. Wether it will be well-received or not I don't know.
Personally, if the Expac hits before my sub runs out, I'll also be giving DarkFall another chance, but I don't plan to pay again if the expac gets delayed and my sub runs out, but that's just me.
There is already enough content to keep you busy for a very long time.
I really do not think there is much point in waiting for the expansion because it will take time to just get a grip on playing this game. I have been playing casually for 16 months and have yet to discover many places and experience content. The PVE is great how it is today. I would not wait if I were you. There is plenty to do already . .. the expansion is just a bonus. You will not even be ready for the changes that the expansion is bringing until you've played a few weeks at least.
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That's bs, most players macro their way up through AFK swimming, macro AFK Spell Casting, macro Sword&Parry, etc. And a skills do take a long time to increase.
If you don't macro, you're in for an even worse grind.
Isn't that the same for your "There is no need to macro"?
And the source comes from having played DarkFall since launch and can be confirmed through a quick look around the forum. Just leave....
you either love DF or you hate DF.
very simple. i was the later (played for 2 months). having sed that this game does take a lot of pve in order to be usefull in pvp. pve in this game is very very repetitive right now since there are very few quests. kill goblins, then kill goblins, then kill goblins, get ganked, kill goblins, kill goblins. after 4 months of this you'll barely be usefull for pvp. then again if you love the combat, art style, world, mechanics, graphycs, lore, comunity you wont really care about the pve grind.
i'm not saying YOU wont have fun, or that just because it wasn't my cup of tea it wont be yours but nobody can dispute the fact that for a pvp oriented gaem there is a hell of a lot of repetitive pve involved.
You only kill goblins, kill goblins, kill goblins because YOU did it. There are tons of mobs to go kill other than gobs, even after a week you should be able to kill zombies, trolls, kobolds. The best part of DF is the freedom to do what you want. I sometimes leave my my city naked and run off into the wilderness to see what equipment i can come back with. If Darkfall ever gets a true PvE/Lore experience the rest of the mmo genre is fucked. I honestly think Darkfall is on the path of what future mmos should be like. Its the first of its kind made by a small dev team and yet its still exciting to play. Ive never had my heart jump out of my chest just bc i saw another player out of fear of losing my stuff or getting into a fight. Then winning that fight? Best video game feeling ive ever had, the combination of fear/excitement.
Ive aslo played for quite a while and never macroed my skills. On a side note they recently banned a third of the player base for macroing/cheating which sadly reduced the population.
The grind? Every mmo has a grind. I LOVE the darkfall grind. No two mobs fight the same way they always perform differently, and do u know what happens when i grind right outside my city from time to time? PvP raids. Some of the coolest pvp battles ever witnessed are in Darkfall. Hands down. 25v25. One hour city defenses. Group city raiding.
IT deffinitely has its faults, ill be the first to complain about them but most of the people that talk about darkfall mention the wrong 'faults'. The best thing to do is to get a full experience. Join a clan and be VOCAL. If you ask to do something more than likely some one will be there looking to do the same thing. Its a game of Freedom, Choice, and Opportunity. Something i feel other mmos lack.
All a matter of opinion. DF is the best MMO currently (IMO). To each their own.
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There is no need to macro.
If you don't enjoy the AI in this game, odds are you are looking at things as a grind. I personally did not macro/AFK anything at any point and I had no issues getting competitive in a couple months of casual play. If I hadn't enjoyed this process I can imagine it would have been a challenge convincing myself just to log in, let alone hit some mobs for an hour or two.
If you don't enjoy the "journey" in Darkfall and just want to be on a level playing field in your first week or whatever, then it's very difficult to appreciate this game for what it is.
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Just curious how you figured out the four month mark.
I've just about completed my first month in Darkfall, and I have been PvPing usefully for about two weeks, maybe a bit less. And I have been playing very casually. A couple of hours a day, sometimes having to skip a day. I don't AFK macro (the stat ups just aren't worth it to run my computer all night... you get higher gains by killing mobs).
Also, I haven't killed a goblin since my first week. Oh... wait, last night, when I was in a pitched 2v2, we ended up crashing through a goblin spawn. In order to loot one of the guys we killed, I had to kill some goblins.
@OP - try out the game. I was pleasantly surprised. Don't view "New" as an obligatory experience. The NEW guild is there if a new player wants to join, but you definitely don't have to. I joined NEW after my 24 hours of safety was up and I have been having a blast. People raid Hammerdale all the time, so it is fun to be in a massive battle of noobs. I am definitely starting to feel like I need to move on, but I will go ahead and stay until my time is up and I graduate from the clan. The fellow noobs you join up with become pretty good friends, so it is a great way to form a core "DF friend group."
@OP
yet another one saying go ahead and try the game. there is plenty pof conent and things to do prior to the next expac.
I have been playing the game since lanch and enjoy it thoroughly. Go ahead and do the trial now. odds are you won't be able to experience much of the expanded PvE as a newb anyway. There will simply be too much to experience before the expac anyway.
Also,
There is no need to macro. Most players do not macro anymore. I have macrod very little and have very high everything.
As for viable builds. Some wierd stuff posted by 1 or 2 guys in this thread. You can be viable as a mage, or melee, and as an archer. Nearly all of these will have some melee. You don't need to be "maxed" to be competitive, this simply isn't true.
No. Just visit a Player City, you'll find plenty of players Macro'ing. Or there are tons of spots where players AFK Swim to raise their stats, hell even in NPC Cities, still.
Most players do macro. It's a fact and while it's definitively not as bad as it was at Launch (Major bloodwalls with 10-20 alt accounts to train on), Macro'ing is still fairly common to come across quite a few macro'ers if you know Agon well. It's always good loot when those morons forget to remove their items from their inventory though.
I live in player cities. Since beta I have personally lived in:
Darkmoore, Sun Throne, Tughri, Moradar, Mohera, Ul-Humra, Gulghat, Cucharacha bay, Alberworth, Dayar, Serruk, .....
I see people combat macro "occasionally", magic macro for short periods, and swim. I also here these same people bitch in vent about how worthless the macro gains are (except magic).
I play with people who have excellent skills after 1 month of play. These players are beasts in PvP and did not macro at all.
I personally have 100/100 melee. I have 100 sharpshooter, I have nearly every magic school at 100. I have macroed very little and work a full time job and travel frequently (I do not game on business trips). I also have taken several breaks from DFO.
"EVERYONE" does not macro. In fact MOST people do NOT macro. Statements like this are completely un-informed.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=229815
Go here and watch these videos. I can't even explain how much they help.
I think 'love or hate' is pretty much dead on.Most of us have enough gaming experience to know what our options are and what we like in a game. I really think simply playing every day for the 14 day trial should be the end of the judgement. If by that time you dont like the game I would suggest (as a DF fan I might add) to leave the game asap.
Speaking for myself, I loved the game the instant I saw the city I was born in and that love grew once I got into some goblin night combat
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you should have stop writting there, you dont play the game its clear.
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The game has it's faults but people who come here and post clearly don't even know what they are.
It always cracks me up when someone gets on their soap box and patronizingly spews a bunch of opinions, hearsay and factually incorrect information about a game, as if their words are gospel on said game. You can picture them with their noses in the air, stepping down after their diatribe and sniffing insolently, thinking to themselves, "There. I have enlightened the masses."
"You are aware"... so insulting.
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