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And that is Exactly why BETA testing nowadays has become more useless to the company doing it than it used to be. BETA testers now dont give a rats ass about helping the company TEST the game and make improvements, all they want is a free pass to unlock the secrets of the 'end game' so when it does go live they can easily race there with all the extra knowledge they gained PLAYING it in BETA. You notice anything there? The PLAYING instead of TESTING? Yup, thats right, in FFXIV BETA testing SE has set limiters on the testers and only unlocked certain parts of the game in order to test what THEY feel needs to be tested, not what you as a free-loading player think you should have access to.
In AION, Vanguard, AoC, and Warhammer they didnt care what you had access to, and look at how well they all turned out. AoC launched great huh? Had all that awesome end game content because you could BETA it huh? AION is a barrel of fun now huh? Seriously, I was in that BETA myself, how many people in there got past level 25 to even see what the grind was going to be like? Warhammer, well we all seen what the 'end game player' did to that game didnt we. Rush rush rush to the end and completely negated 95% of the content and purpose of the content as it was intended. Sat at level cap and farmed PvP mini's instead of doing ANY real RVR.
I'm sorry that I dont agree with everyone who thinks a gaming company should be forced to give 100% access to everything in thier game prior to public launch, or be forced to tell the public every detail about every concept they may want to test out before they release it to the public. I think gaming companies should be able to develope and test thier own products any way they so desire, and if they dont want you to see 100% of thier game prior to launch, then go for it. FFXIV is in BETA testing, it is SE's right to do as they please with it, you do not have a right to anything until you pay for it. Sorry, but thats just how I see it.
But, all that being said, not any of that points to there being no end game content as you try to say. All it does say is SE doesn't want you to know what it is right now. You could try and write them a letter and ask them really nice if they will let you see it though. Then you could have some proof to back up your claims.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Here is a good point fanboi..... give me one example to show that there is END GAME content. Why should i defend my position defend yours. All the crap u said was giberish since as a true beta test u test all elements. You dont test level 1 and see its 100% ok polished and the assume the rest falls into place. There was no test of any hig level skills. But again prove there is an endgame.....
You're right, they don't have to explain anything. Although if they create a shitstorm like this it probably wouldn't hurt to get the PR folks on damage control post haste.
Neither one of you can back up what you say with facts so neither of your positions can be supported with the current information we have.
Except that Aion's beta locked us to level 30 to prevent us from seeing that there was no content after that.
I get the same exact feeling playing XIV's beta.
While i don't require 100% info to enjoy myself, SE's lack of any info has brought nothing but negative buzz to their game.
Hahaha, yeah one of these people again. Do you even know what a fanboi is, short of a word you use to try and insult someone you dont agree with?
Anyway, ok I see your blood preasure has gone over the edge because someone (me) called you out on your claim that your could guarantee this game had no end game content. I didnt say it, you did. Please make a note of that. You dont like the fact that someone seen you lie in public and didnt like it, oh well, maybe next time dont make stuff up and call it fact. And to make a point here, I never said there was end game content, I also never said there wasn't any like you did. You base your proof off of the fact you never seen it, sorry but thats as bad as saying the world is flat because you never sailed around it. Open your mind.
Oh and as a point of FACT, just because YOU dont see the high level content in BETA test does NOT mean it isnt there. It just means YOU didnt get to see it, too bad so sad. Maybe they opened it up to the first set of BETA testers only, maybe you werent' good enough of a tester to be included in the group they moved to test it, maybe they dont trust you enough to let you see it. FACT is you dont know why you didnt see it, all you know is you didnt, and you should leave it at that.
Coming on here and telling lies for the sake of justifying your position only makes what you say from that point out less believable, thats just the way it works out. And getting all angry about it and saying 'no you do it!' because you can't just adds to that distrust. Again, you did that not me.
Also, as a point of fact, even though this may seem to be directed at only one person it is in fact meant to discuss the topic of this entire thread 'people are blind??'. I actually do agree that so many are blind by following the lies others dish out here without even an attempt to gain the facts or at least ask what they are before joining the bandwagon of HATE. This just happens to be one of many comments that was total BS from the start, and I called it out for clarification. Which of course, I never did get.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
They aren't covering up that there's no end game content. They've already stated its going to be launched without any.
SE are quite clueless, when it comes to actually making FF XIV fun. What basically they've done is come up with some really cool sounding features (which on paper they do), then implemented them in a least fun way as possible, adding obstacles and restriction.
As for hiding stuff from beta testers, that's just a joke. If anything is being hidden, its being so for a reason. Miracle patches never happen.
Beta wise, its probably the worst I've been in. They give very little responce to the testers, while hardly improving anything. If they do, they seem to add another bad idea to compensate.
I think the issue is not so much the idea of only getting gratification through experience. At least for me, that is not the problem. For most people, a large part of the reason you play an MMO is to see your character grow and advance. That's one reason why exp loss (or exp debt in WoW or Aion) works well as a death penalty. Everyone wants their character to progress, so delaying or reversing that progression is a universal punishment.
The problem I see is that efficiently levelling suddenly becomes a meta issue. My advancement in the game would be heavily dependent on a factor outside the game: the realtime week. If, during the 20 hours that I'll expect to spend playing in a week, only 8 of those hours really count for raising my physical level, it is in my best interest to use my highest level class during those 8 hours. That is the class where I'll be fighting the highest level monsters and gaining the most physical exp. Even if I want to level one of my other classes, or start on a new class, or do some gathering, it would be a waste to do it during those 8 hours. I would be penalizing myself in terms of my overall advancement, just as surely as if I had intentionally thrown out a Scroll of Extra XP.
You see what I'm saying? Even though I am not concerned solely with levelling up like a madman and rushing to max my level, seeing my character efficiently plodding forward with the time I have (which ain't much) is important. The specifics of this system make me sacrifice other things I would like to do in order to accomplish that. If a friend signs on and invites me to switch to another class to go explore or story quests for the night, I have to choose between doing that or raising my physical level during the only window of time that I'm allowed to do so. Not because I'm breaking the mold and doing something S-E doesn't think players should do. Not because balance or immersion or technological limitations demand it. Not because there is a justification that makes sense in the context of the lore. Not because of any reason that exists within the game.
Simply because it is Wednesday and my timer just reset.
I am not sure what clarification you want from the community based on the information we actually have (which isn't much) But i think the OP actually linked where he got his distaste for the topic at hand so I'll stick with that and base my opinions on the FACTS that are in front of me. No need to muddy the water with pretty words and petty arguments.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
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