Used to play both, since i read that Lotro went F2P i will not touch it. Simply because F2P= item shop= a hell of a lot more cost than a monthly subscription=stay clear. Thats my experiance with item shops, if you can afford it, by all means play these and buy your gear and other things, if not then i suggest staying clear of them. (same goes with EQ2 as well now, but i havent played that for a couple yrs). So yes, right now WoW is about the only thing out there, i just wish designers would get their heads out of each others ass's and come up with something new or far far improving on what we have instead of trying to copy the leading game over and over and releasing inferior and far too buggy games that will only hurt themselves in the long run.
This man here, has a strong sense of logic. He stated the point I did not want to state because it's very complex and hard to understand. MARKETTING! In otherwords, paid opinions!
Though, I wish you luck with trying to debate with bunnyhopper, his logic is about as strong as...well....the majority of the population. His "logic", by the way, is how sales are made! And he is a prime example of the target audience that businesses try to exploit and capitalize on!
simply stating numbers doesnt tell the whole story that is true, but how those numbers fluctuate, particularly in a downward direction.. does give you a fair indication, Lotro is one of those games that should have been great, but it wasnt... i dont know that going F2P will actually improve things, i rather suspect that it will have the opposite effect.. long term at least, for me, i can honestly say that the lack of pvp (monster play didnt really count imo) wasnt an issue, lotro isnt meant to be a pvp orientated game, but rather a storyline driven one, its not a bad game, but it is let down by its gameplay, which, tbh, is a bit boring... bordering on frustrating at times.. its not a recipe for success. Lotro struggles in areas where WoW excels, in combat alone, lotro seems to add complexity in an area that doesnt need it, even crafting, yes, the crafting in lotro is arguably better than wow, but is it more fun? so.. do numbers tell everything about the game, no they dont, but they give you one hell of an insight into it regardless.
I agree to an extent, but as I've tried to make clear in my previous couple of posts i'm not talking about Lotro, so lets forget that for now.
People will give WOW 10/10 for crafting, pvp, everything, and back up that by saying 'but 12million people dude'. Sub numbers reflect two things, the accessibility of a game and what the consumerbase at the time is actively looking for.
WOW gets 10/10 for attracting and retaining the current mmo market average consumer, but that in no way, shape, or form means that it automatically warrants high marks in every catagory.
Me and millions of more people would say "alot better in almost every way"
Because popularity is the best, and only, way to judge quality.
You better start informing all of the restaurants that McDonalds is so much better quality than them.
Yeah yeah... "stop using McDonalds and Walmart analogies for WoW!"
Well I would, but the problem is that it's just so darn accurate.
And then your all wrong : McDonalds is one of the restaurant you can trust the most... EVERYONE is watching them and fail to find a quality problem, The last time Mcdonalds got sued for a major thing when someone burned himself with his cup of hot cofee, saying that it was not written on the cup that the coffe WAS HOT. Compared to mr.wong's chineese restaurant around the corner id take ALL my meals at McDo, you never know what you can find at Wong's as opposite to Mcdo. It is quality food, just not HEALTHY food.
Wallmart has the better price ... why ? because its cheap materials, you wont find Gucci there... Dont mix up quality and renown or quality and healthy.
Me and millions of more people would say "alot better in almost every way"
Because popularity is the best, and only, way to judge quality.
You better start informing all of the restaurants that McDonalds is so much better quality than them.
Yeah yeah... "stop using McDonalds and Walmart analogies for WoW!"
Well I would, but the problem is that it's just so darn accurate.
And then your all wrong : McDonalds is one of the restaurant you can trust the most... EVERYONE is watching them and fail to find a quality problem, The last time Mcdonalds got sued for a major thing when someone burned himself with his cup of hot cofee, saying that it was not written on the cup that the coffe WAS HOT. Compared to mr.wong's chineese restaurant around the corner id take ALL my meals at McDo, you never know what you can find at Wong's as opposite to Mcdo. It is quality food, just not HEALTHY food.
Wallmart has the better price ... why ? because its cheap materials, you wont find Gucci there... Dont mix up quality and renown or quality and healthy.
Wait, nvm, I didn't read your post fully. I should go sleep, sorry about that <_<
Yes it does, because that's what the majority wants. The market doesn't give a rats ass what YOU want. The target audience is the same, therefore whoever successfully captures and capitalizes on said audience wins.
It's like Windows 7 vs. Mac OS or Firefox vs Internet Explorer. If you start pulling out "which one is bettar??!?!" article, I'm gonna say you're biased as hell and stupid. It doesn't matter whether or not the said audience or market is educated to make a choice, it matters which one is used more. Which ever is used more is automatically the winner and better product. Depending on the margin of sale difference, one can award a market out of 100 for meeting the market's demand. Automatically, Windows 7 is better than MAC OS when used BY THE TARGET POPULATION (if you're a graphics designer, things start to get complicated because M$ never exactly marketed itself at that target).
And by the same logic, IE8 and better than Firefox. However, I use Firefox because I prefer it over IE8. it is not BETTER than IE8 or else everyone would be like me.
Learn to seperate personal feelings from logic during debates.
Oh sweet Jesus, well let's deal with the car analogy first shall we.. In your case you mentioned the Elise and the Corolla. Your point being that one is vastly more expensive then the other whilst lotro and wow are the same price, hence a poor comparsion. That's perfectly true except I clearly pointed out the analogy was about accessibility. WoW is perhaps the most accessible game on the market, you don't have to play for hours on end, you can't get jumped and looted by nasty old pvpers, its pick up and play simplicity. That is what the market wants at the moment, casual gaming and accessibility. Accessibility does not though automatically equate to quality, it simply equates to numbers, hence the analogy stands.
Let's move away from that one as it seems to be a bit of a tripping point for you and on to your second post.
You seem to be stuck with the overriding notion that quantity = quality as is again pointed to by your IE vs FF comments. More people use IE because it ships with windows computers and they have little to no knowledge about browsers, or the simply cant be arsed to change. That makes it more popular then FF, it doesnt make it a better browser. Back in the day I recall a battle between Betamax and VHS, Betamax was 'better' then VHS in several aspects including picture quality, tape wear, system design and ease of use. What happened, VHS murdered it, was more popular and Betamax became redundant. In all aspects that you use to gauge what makes a quality recording and playback device Betmax would outscore VHS, but VHS was the most successful, can you see where this is going?...
As for the market not giving a rats arse what I think, I hate to break it to you but by buying and subing to mmos I am part of that market. That the majority want a casual mmo does not immediately equate to said casual mmos having better components then the rest in all catagories, it simply means that it is the most casual and accessible to the market at the time.
Finally i have no personal feelings as to the debate in general, I don't hate WoW, I don't hate any game and I certainly have no fondness for lotro, but sub numbers do not automatically = incredible game mechanics.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
This man here, has a strong sense of logic. He stated the point I did not want to state because it's very complex and hard to understand. MARKETTING! In otherwords, paid opinions!
Though, I wish you luck with trying to debate with bunnyhopper, his logic is about as strong as...well....the majority of the population. His "logic", by the way, is how sales are made! And he is a prime example of the target audience that businesses try to exploit and capitalize on!
Funny, i'm the one arguing that what eveyone buys into isn't always necessarily the best, whilst you are arguing that the herd is always right. And i'm the one who is susceptible to marketing?...... thanks for the lulz.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
This man here, has a strong sense of logic. He stated the point I did not want to state because it's very complex and hard to understand. MARKETTING! In otherwords, paid opinions!
Though, I wish you luck with trying to debate with bunnyhopper, his logic is about as strong as...well....the majority of the population. His "logic", by the way, is how sales are made! And he is a prime example of the target audience that businesses try to exploit and capitalize on!
Funny, i'm the one arguing that what eveyone buys into isn't always necessarily the best, whilst you are arguing that the herd is always right. And i'm the one who is susceptible to marketing?...... thanks for the lulz.
What fight??? It's David vs Goliath, exept that David didnt had a rock to throw at Goliath. David is DEAD.
Pfft. Mere opinions. This entire thread is just opinions. How people forget that is just beyond me.
Not EVERYONE thinks that EITHER game is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but after reading MUCH of the thread, I have to say that the LotRO fans have been a lot more CIVIL and provided REASONS for their opinions that go beyond the "reasons" that some of the WoW fans have stated, like....ZOMG OUR GAME HAS 12 MILLION VOTES...WE WIN.
/snore
Seriously.
When will it be OKAY on these forums for people to have varied opinions without it being a "fight?" Both LotRO and WoW have good and bad points. That's not an opinion, that is FACT. Determining which is BEST, however, will never be a FACT, because "best" is not something someone can judge for EVERYONE. "Best" is purely relative based on what individual's like. YOUR "best" is not necessarily someone else's "best."
I think El Maguey has the best Mexican food in town. Other people think Taco Bell does. I can argue until my face turns BLUE, but that doesn't make me right or wrong, it only makes me OPINIONATED.
Incidentally, the OP article SET THIS UP as a "fight," so any posts that carry on that flavor, can be attributed to the DECLARATION of a "fight" from step ONE.
@ KingKong: Dear god man calm down sorry your mmorpg is not loved and worshiped by everyone.
I respect that you like WoW but no need to get all worked up about it.
You gotta be careful saying things like this, SgtFrog. Ya don't want to be accused of "flaming" fans of either game. And some are pretty sensitve. If you don't have great appreciation for WoW...you have to choose your words very carefully.
We all tend to get a bit "worked up" when our favorite game is taking a beating that WE think is undeserved, ya know?
Wow, did you ever realised that a forum is where you post your opinions? that some may be pushed by strong arguments and facts but trying to apply the 101 book of philosophy here is just plain useless. And yes Wow fans are more subjectives because they LOVE more their game and love cant be rationalised as you want us to do.
Well I think you should have added more weight to certain categories. For instance community. The difference between the communities is huge and to many, including myself, that makes the biggest difference. WoW simply fails in that regard and so its very much less desirable. Just look at the posts here in the replies and you can see a difference in the kinds of people that like WoW and those that prefer LotRO.
World of Warcraft does not deserve 9/10 for PvP. The PvP is unbalanced, not much between the races but instead the classes. Also the fun factor in PvP isn't really there. BGs become super repetitive and mindless in some like AV. Arena which was a good concept only made a lot of people nerdrage because of Blizzard not balancing the game for 1v1 or 2v2 yet expects it to work just well. It always got too hard for a person to get a devoted group member when his class sucked against all but 2 classes.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
Wow, did you ever realised that a forum is where you post your opinions? that some may be pushed by strong arguments and facts but trying to apply the 101 book of philosophy here is just plain useless. And yes Wow fans are more subjectives because they LOVE more their game and love cant be rationalised as you want us to do.
Yes, I DO realize a forum is where you "post your opinions." Do YOU realize that not all of those opinions will AGREE with YOURS? That's my point.
BOTH of these games have hardcore fans. Both sets of fans think THEIR game is the best. NEITHER is "right." They're both just sets of opinions based on what is best for the person making the comment. WoW fans are NOT any bigger fans of their game than any of the rest of us are of OUR games.
Since Lotro is going free to pay (and have you seen the 3 different choices) WoW wins hands down.
PvP, WoW wins hands down (even with the shitty sub standard guild wars type arenas minus the spectator mode).
Graphics - Lotro wins, easily. but graphics don't mean everything (unless you work for ign)
Gameplay - similar, but i think WoW still wins... but that's a personal thing. I've never really liked hobits, some of the classes feel wrong. With only 3 races, no real enemy (monster play lol - which soon will only be available to premium players) nah.. wow hands down.
We can all giggle at the soon to be free to play model, whereby unlike other premium servers you'd expect what you get now with your subscription. Not really have you looked at it, yeah you still get 500 turbine points a month, but really you'll still be spending money IN IT. oh dear.
"nothing actually matters, we're just slightly evolved monkeys clinging to a dying piece of rock hurtling through space waiting for our eventual death." - Frankie Boyle, Mock The Week
Well I think you should have added more weight to certain categories. For instance community. The difference between the communities is huge and to many, including myself, that makes the biggest difference. WoW simply fails in that regard and so its very much less desirable. Just look at the posts here in the replies and you can see a difference in the kinds of people that like WoW and those that prefer LotRO.
Hmm.
I liked both games, but I'm abrasive no matter what I'm commenting on. Some of us just have annoying personalities. =D
I don't think a clear "winner" can be determined in any "fight" between games. If you want to declare a FINANCIAL winner, that's different. We all know who that would have to be. However....there is more to a game, for me, as a gamer....than how much money the game I'm playing makes. So....this thread was destined to a neverending argument from the OP's article onward.
Fact: To LotRO's players....LotRO "wins."
Fact: To WoW's players...WoW "wins."
Fact: To those that played both, but now play neither....some other game "wins."
What do you think? If i post here its basicly because i know poeple dont have the same opinion as mine, but what I dont like is when you just make a judgement on the validity of our opinion because we dont argue the way you would prefer us to do.
you would like to see me put some meat over the bone? oki lets go...
I prefer Wow because :
its more fluid, the movements respond more to the reality.
it has more diversity, you dont fight the same mobs in all the area (the wolfs are everywhere in Lotr).
the 'quest helper' in Lotr is bugged ... id prefer to have none that what they have.
The mounts... already explained.
The possibilty to go where you want. the forest in Lotr are labyrinth with wall covered with trees desing that forms a maze ... no such limitation on Wow (at least for the forests).
the population, I like in a MMORPG to feel the MM of it. Lotr is kinda empty.
And last of all i Like Wow because this post is made in a Wow hater forum and I like to piss them off
What do you think? If i post here its basicly because i know poeple dont have the same opinion as mine, but what I dont like is when you just make a judgement on the validity of our opinion because we dont argue the way you would prefer us to do.
you would like to see me put some meat over the bone? oki lets go...
I prefer Wow because :
its more fluid, the movements respond more to the reality.
it has more diversity, you dont fight the same mobs in all the area (the wolfs are everywhere in Lotr).
the 'quest helper' in Lotr is bugged ... id prefer to have none that what they have.
The mounts... already explained.
The possibilty to go where you want. the forest in Lotr are labyrinth with wall covered with trees desing that forms a maze ... no such limitation on Wow (at least for the forests).
the population, I like in a MMORPG to feel the MM of it. Lotr is kinda empty.
And last of all i Like Wow because this post is made in a Wow hater forum and I like to piss them off
Those are ALL great reasons to like WoW. And they make a lot more sense than, "because 12 million people have already voted."
I totally agree on the fluidity. I think WoW has probably the most fluid movement I've ever seen in a game. And yes...LotRO's quest log was NOT among the best in my opinion either.
How is this post made in a WoW hater forum though? And what makes someone a WoW hater? Just not liking the game? O.o I haven't seen any hater comments in this thread at all. Everyone has pretty much given their opinions based on reasons just like yours above. It's just that there are a lot of differing opinions, that's all.
Fantastic idea for an article. Many ppl could disagree with what was written but the form is excellent and pleasant to read. I never played either of game but i read with great interest. Couldnt imagine that somebody can succeeed comparing these 2 so different games.
Great work man.
I am just tired of comparing any game to WoW. Give me AoC vs WAR or Guildwars vs Rakion. More stuff like this but from veteran players who played more than a few games. Hmm, maybe i will make something like this...
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Having played both extensively, both solo and group - I would say my preference is based on something that I can't quite define, more of a "feeling." I think WoW is more "immersive" and that is just a purely personal, subjective assessment. When in LOTRO, for some reason I felt it was more like watching the action rather than being in the action. Just a thought... The biggest down side to WoW wasn't even mentioned - it's the terrible attitude of Blizzard, yes, they have treated me badly.... their customer service is terrible, fragmented and not receptive to fixing accounts that have been hacked.
Fact: To those that played both, but now play neither....some other game "wins."
There is no determination to be made here.
I've played both. I'm playing WoW now. Even though I enjoy it to some extent, I dont like WoW. I've tried EVE and found it boring, yet I loved its huge world with thousands of players and the fact that the game is player driven.
Even though there are MMOs one can enjoy (WoW with its izi modo) and unique ones (DDO), still, all modern MMOs suck.
Having played both extensively, both solo and group - I would say my preference is based on something that I can't quite define, more of a "feeling." I think WoW is more "immersive" and that is just a purely personal, subjective assessment.
And thats exactly what I dont feel about modern MMO's. If I led a huge and successful guild, and one day we would dissapear, nothing would've changed...
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Used to play both, since i read that Lotro went F2P i will not touch it. Simply because F2P= item shop= a hell of a lot more cost than a monthly subscription=stay clear. Thats my experiance with item shops, if you can afford it, by all means play these and buy your gear and other things, if not then i suggest staying clear of them. (same goes with EQ2 as well now, but i havent played that for a couple yrs). So yes, right now WoW is about the only thing out there, i just wish designers would get their heads out of each others ass's and come up with something new or far far improving on what we have instead of trying to copy the leading game over and over and releasing inferior and far too buggy games that will only hurt themselves in the long run.
Having played both games, i prefer EQ2 to them both
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@KingKong007
This man here, has a strong sense of logic. He stated the point I did not want to state because it's very complex and hard to understand. MARKETTING! In otherwords, paid opinions!
Though, I wish you luck with trying to debate with bunnyhopper, his logic is about as strong as...well....the majority of the population. His "logic", by the way, is how sales are made! And he is a prime example of the target audience that businesses try to exploit and capitalize on!
http://www.mmorpg.com/profile.cfm/username/shakermaker0
The review was made by this guy..no one from mmorpg.com...
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
And then your all wrong : McDonalds is one of the restaurant you can trust the most... EVERYONE is watching them and fail to find a quality problem, The last time Mcdonalds got sued for a major thing when someone burned himself with his cup of hot cofee, saying that it was not written on the cup that the coffe WAS HOT. Compared to mr.wong's chineese restaurant around the corner id take ALL my meals at McDo, you never know what you can find at Wong's as opposite to Mcdo. It is quality food, just not HEALTHY food.
Wallmart has the better price ... why ? because its cheap materials, you wont find Gucci there... Dont mix up quality and renown or quality and healthy.
Wait, nvm, I didn't read your post fully. I should go sleep, sorry about that <_<
Good night!
Oh and @sulthar
Refer to my post ABOUT TARGET AUDIENCE on the previous page. (God damn, the general populace is....-__- But oh well, that's why I own an Elise).
Oh sweet Jesus, well let's deal with the car analogy first shall we.. In your case you mentioned the Elise and the Corolla. Your point being that one is vastly more expensive then the other whilst lotro and wow are the same price, hence a poor comparsion. That's perfectly true except I clearly pointed out the analogy was about accessibility. WoW is perhaps the most accessible game on the market, you don't have to play for hours on end, you can't get jumped and looted by nasty old pvpers, its pick up and play simplicity. That is what the market wants at the moment, casual gaming and accessibility. Accessibility does not though automatically equate to quality, it simply equates to numbers, hence the analogy stands.
Let's move away from that one as it seems to be a bit of a tripping point for you and on to your second post.
You seem to be stuck with the overriding notion that quantity = quality as is again pointed to by your IE vs FF comments. More people use IE because it ships with windows computers and they have little to no knowledge about browsers, or the simply cant be arsed to change. That makes it more popular then FF, it doesnt make it a better browser. Back in the day I recall a battle between Betamax and VHS, Betamax was 'better' then VHS in several aspects including picture quality, tape wear, system design and ease of use. What happened, VHS murdered it, was more popular and Betamax became redundant. In all aspects that you use to gauge what makes a quality recording and playback device Betmax would outscore VHS, but VHS was the most successful, can you see where this is going?...
As for the market not giving a rats arse what I think, I hate to break it to you but by buying and subing to mmos I am part of that market. That the majority want a casual mmo does not immediately equate to said casual mmos having better components then the rest in all catagories, it simply means that it is the most casual and accessible to the market at the time.
Finally i have no personal feelings as to the debate in general, I don't hate WoW, I don't hate any game and I certainly have no fondness for lotro, but sub numbers do not automatically = incredible game mechanics.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Funny, i'm the one arguing that what eveyone buys into isn't always necessarily the best, whilst you are arguing that the herd is always right. And i'm the one who is susceptible to marketing?...... thanks for the lulz.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
lol, LienHart shot himself in the foot there.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Pfft. Mere opinions. This entire thread is just opinions. How people forget that is just beyond me.
Not EVERYONE thinks that EITHER game is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but after reading MUCH of the thread, I have to say that the LotRO fans have been a lot more CIVIL and provided REASONS for their opinions that go beyond the "reasons" that some of the WoW fans have stated, like....ZOMG OUR GAME HAS 12 MILLION VOTES...WE WIN.
/snore
Seriously.
When will it be OKAY on these forums for people to have varied opinions without it being a "fight?" Both LotRO and WoW have good and bad points. That's not an opinion, that is FACT. Determining which is BEST, however, will never be a FACT, because "best" is not something someone can judge for EVERYONE. "Best" is purely relative based on what individual's like. YOUR "best" is not necessarily someone else's "best."
I think El Maguey has the best Mexican food in town. Other people think Taco Bell does. I can argue until my face turns BLUE, but that doesn't make me right or wrong, it only makes me OPINIONATED.
Incidentally, the OP article SET THIS UP as a "fight," so any posts that carry on that flavor, can be attributed to the DECLARATION of a "fight" from step ONE.
I'm just sayin'......
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
You gotta be careful saying things like this, SgtFrog. Ya don't want to be accused of "flaming" fans of either game. And some are pretty sensitve. If you don't have great appreciation for WoW...you have to choose your words very carefully.
We all tend to get a bit "worked up" when our favorite game is taking a beating that WE think is undeserved, ya know?
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Wow, did you ever realised that a forum is where you post your opinions? that some may be pushed by strong arguments and facts but trying to apply the 101 book of philosophy here is just plain useless. And yes Wow fans are more subjectives because they LOVE more their game and love cant be rationalised as you want us to do.
Well I think you should have added more weight to certain categories. For instance community. The difference between the communities is huge and to many, including myself, that makes the biggest difference. WoW simply fails in that regard and so its very much less desirable. Just look at the posts here in the replies and you can see a difference in the kinds of people that like WoW and those that prefer LotRO.
World of Warcraft does not deserve 9/10 for PvP. The PvP is unbalanced, not much between the races but instead the classes. Also the fun factor in PvP isn't really there. BGs become super repetitive and mindless in some like AV. Arena which was a good concept only made a lot of people nerdrage because of Blizzard not balancing the game for 1v1 or 2v2 yet expects it to work just well. It always got too hard for a person to get a devoted group member when his class sucked against all but 2 classes.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
Yes, I DO realize a forum is where you "post your opinions." Do YOU realize that not all of those opinions will AGREE with YOURS? That's my point.
BOTH of these games have hardcore fans. Both sets of fans think THEIR game is the best. NEITHER is "right." They're both just sets of opinions based on what is best for the person making the comment. WoW fans are NOT any bigger fans of their game than any of the rest of us are of OUR games.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Since Lotro is going free to pay (and have you seen the 3 different choices) WoW wins hands down.
PvP, WoW wins hands down (even with the shitty sub standard guild wars type arenas minus the spectator mode).
Graphics - Lotro wins, easily. but graphics don't mean everything (unless you work for ign)
Gameplay - similar, but i think WoW still wins... but that's a personal thing. I've never really liked hobits, some of the classes feel wrong. With only 3 races, no real enemy (monster play lol - which soon will only be available to premium players) nah.. wow hands down.
We can all giggle at the soon to be free to play model, whereby unlike other premium servers you'd expect what you get now with your subscription. Not really have you looked at it, yeah you still get 500 turbine points a month, but really you'll still be spending money IN IT. oh dear.
"nothing actually matters, we're just slightly evolved monkeys clinging to a dying piece of rock hurtling through space waiting for our eventual death." - Frankie Boyle, Mock The Week
Hmm.
I liked both games, but I'm abrasive no matter what I'm commenting on. Some of us just have annoying personalities. =D
I don't think a clear "winner" can be determined in any "fight" between games. If you want to declare a FINANCIAL winner, that's different. We all know who that would have to be. However....there is more to a game, for me, as a gamer....than how much money the game I'm playing makes. So....this thread was destined to a neverending argument from the OP's article onward.
Fact: To LotRO's players....LotRO "wins."
Fact: To WoW's players...WoW "wins."
Fact: To those that played both, but now play neither....some other game "wins."
There is no determination to be made here.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
What do you think? If i post here its basicly because i know poeple dont have the same opinion as mine, but what I dont like is when you just make a judgement on the validity of our opinion because we dont argue the way you would prefer us to do.
you would like to see me put some meat over the bone? oki lets go...
I prefer Wow because :
its more fluid, the movements respond more to the reality.
it has more diversity, you dont fight the same mobs in all the area (the wolfs are everywhere in Lotr).
the 'quest helper' in Lotr is bugged ... id prefer to have none that what they have.
The mounts... already explained.
The possibilty to go where you want. the forest in Lotr are labyrinth with wall covered with trees desing that forms a maze ... no such limitation on Wow (at least for the forests).
the population, I like in a MMORPG to feel the MM of it. Lotr is kinda empty.
And last of all i Like Wow because this post is made in a Wow hater forum and I like to piss them off
Those are ALL great reasons to like WoW. And they make a lot more sense than, "because 12 million people have already voted."
I totally agree on the fluidity. I think WoW has probably the most fluid movement I've ever seen in a game. And yes...LotRO's quest log was NOT among the best in my opinion either.
How is this post made in a WoW hater forum though? And what makes someone a WoW hater? Just not liking the game? O.o I haven't seen any hater comments in this thread at all. Everyone has pretty much given their opinions based on reasons just like yours above. It's just that there are a lot of differing opinions, that's all.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Fantastic idea for an article. Many ppl could disagree with what was written but the form is excellent and pleasant to read. I never played either of game but i read with great interest. Couldnt imagine that somebody can succeeed comparing these 2 so different games.
Great work man.
I am just tired of comparing any game to WoW. Give me AoC vs WAR or Guildwars vs Rakion. More stuff like this but from veteran players who played more than a few games. Hmm, maybe i will make something like this...
Playing: Rohan
Played (from best to worst): Shadowbane, Guild Wars, Shayia, Age of Conan, Warhammer, Runes of Magic, Rappelz, Archlord, Knight online, King of Kings, Kal online, Last chaos
Having played both extensively, both solo and group - I would say my preference is based on something that I can't quite define, more of a "feeling." I think WoW is more "immersive" and that is just a purely personal, subjective assessment. When in LOTRO, for some reason I felt it was more like watching the action rather than being in the action. Just a thought... The biggest down side to WoW wasn't even mentioned - it's the terrible attitude of Blizzard, yes, they have treated me badly.... their customer service is terrible, fragmented and not receptive to fixing accounts that have been hacked.
I've played both. I'm playing WoW now. Even though I enjoy it to some extent, I dont like WoW. I've tried EVE and found it boring, yet I loved its huge world with thousands of players and the fact that the game is player driven.
Even though there are MMOs one can enjoy (WoW with its izi modo) and unique ones (DDO), still, all modern MMOs suck.
p.s. OP should be banned for trolling.
IZI MODO?! Ha-ha-ha!
making LOTRO F2P is -10000 point to turbine...
WoW is better then lotro and when lotro turned F2P turbine has ruined game
And thats exactly what I dont feel about modern MMO's. If I led a huge and successful guild, and one day we would dissapear, nothing would've changed...
IZI MODO?! Ha-ha-ha!