People still think that they are getting something more in Release Version? That is really naive. Trust me, all that available in Open Beta thats all you gonna have on release either you want to believe in it or not. Don't fool yourself. Listen to people who has experience playing multiple games in Open Betas.
Yes, trust him! Dont look at the official world map, forget what SE wrote about the world : after all, he played at many beta so he know.
as beautiful as this game is, its very linear, in the respect that, when you travel your not openly traveling whereever you want, there are funneled areas, if you look at the map, all the other places you see from your character arent really able to get there. so to me this isnt really an open world, its more like a maze of paths, and small "coves" and nooks, and then you got the towns. to me thats really linear exploration, which is not typical of a MMORPG. but i guess considering the limitations of the PS3, that is to be expected, afterall the PC version is nothing more than a slightly visually upgraded port of the Console version. granted im not knocking it, it looks good, but you end up losing alot of aspects of a true MMO experience we used to have, where you could go to remote places, have an adventure. Here its all funneled, and in what amounts to a maze of predefined paths.
why do you have to revert str8 to wow as your source of arguement? yes I got hacked but I managed to get it back, and? Lets say you not pick and choose certain parts of what i say and take it out of context. and Yes your correct wow,does have chokepoints, entry points to the zone, but the zones themselves are large and open, and the transistion is seamless.where as FFXIV for example where you start, is riddled with little paths that you cant get away from. then load to a new area. I played plenty of other MMO's that were far more open visually, as well as to exploration. Secondly you cant jump, or jump down to other places to get there quicker. Frankly your response is filled quite a bit of distain. and No Its not uninformed bias. The game isnt necessarily bad, but do recognize its limitations. I saw what i saw, and played, I then responded on it.
Yes it is a wall of text, though a Well thought out wall of text, servers down or not, there is always something else to do. laundry, dishes, walk the dog, pick your choice. I have my opinion on things I experienced, if you like the game cool, but dont try to break down my arguement by picking out tid bits, then taking them out of context, and going on a rant about them.
Your funny, really. An educated man would try and use common ground as a basis for comparison, which is what I did by using WoW since we are both well versed in that game. God forbid I should try and use common knowledge as a basis for discussion. Perhaps you dont like WoW and feel I should have chosen another, my appolgies for thinking the other way around. Now on to your next point, where you so nicely believe that I picked out tidbits to discuss out of context. What I decided to do is highlight (in GREEN)all the places in your post that I tried to adress in mine. As you can see, you have me somewhat confused, it doesn't appear to me that I nitpicked and pulled out only a few tidbits to discuss, I grabbed almost every single view you put in yoru post and tried to address them all.
As for you argument that there are transistions and load screens all over FFXIV?? Where exactly?? The markets, yes, they are instanced intentionally like most games have player housing instanced so the retainers do not lag down the cities. The ferry boat, yes at the start and end of the journey sure. Where else?? Seriously, I haven't encountered these myself, and I have been all over the damn place in this game now and haven't had to wait to load anything. Are you sure this isnt' end user lag on your end? Because I'm not seeing this at all in FFXIV, transfer from city to zone to zone to zone to zone is 100% transperant and without load for me.
Oh and the jump issue, yeah, thats a priceless argument you got there. The whole 'this world sucks because I can't get everywhere i want by jumping' routine. Just where exactly do you want to jump? And why do you need to jump there? And finally (to make sure i once again address ALL of your concerns as to not be called a nitpicker) the other things I could have done instead of type all of that...well sure, but how many of those can YOU do in about 5 minutes time? Because that entire wall of text took me MAYBE 5 minutes to type. This one 7 minutes (yes I timed it), and longer only because I went back twice to make sure I got EVERY ISSUE you had covered.
be what it may bub, It is my opinion, nothing more. I never said this world sucks because I cant jump, i said it sucks that I cant explore freely to certain areas, or the area is closed off or "funneled". Given your level of 'progression" in the game you have to of seen this type of design.
If you agree with me or not, its fine, I am not going to lose sleep over it. I appreciate you taking time to elaborate your argument. Yes, did make some valid points, But from the years i have played MMO's this game is shall we say "more" linear in on how it directs from point A to point B. I am not talking with regards to quest progression, I am talking about how the world is built. My experience in FFXIV is one of blocked off, funneled paths, with little or no elbow room to go anywhere, but those paths. Wow, granted has seamless loading, tyhough the zones are "closed" off by predesigned environments, e.g. mountains etc. FFXIV has some seamless loading with zones minus the cities. I am merely mentioning the way the world is built for exploration, with regards to world design, to me, and yes this is my OPINION, got to remember to elaborate that, is far more linearly built than wow, eq2, and definitely compared to pre 2004/5 MMO's where you could go places freely, though there was a level of danger in doing so, but you had the ability to do so. I won't try to persuade you, I am merely stating my opinion on my experience of past MMO world designs, vs the present. So regardless, I say enjoy the game, by all means, I wish you happiness and joy in FFXIV, but in the end its different strokes for different folks. No one is wrong, its just a matter of opinion. I will leave it at that.
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Just when the Devs prove all the previous exagerated Troll complaints false, they find something else and blow it up to make it seem a thousand times worse then it actually is. Its amazing to watch how people will whine and cry about anything just in hopes of seeing something fail.
You can see that all really within a couple hours, I saw most of the top right zone within 30 mins. Sad thing is once you've done the main quest, there is nothing left to do but grind, the game doesn't even have PVP to make up for the lack of quests.
Not certain how to defend either way. Those claiming it's too small have not swayed me. Sounding more like "Nuh-uh you're wrong" rather than debate over interpretation of factual data.
Objectively we saw areas for up to level 30 in OB. I saw a couple map choices that I didn't look at in OB, assuming those will be higher level only or available at launch.
Launch is supposed to go to level 50, I take that to mean there were areas not available from levels 31-50 in OB.
The world felt large enough to me at this point, and shouldn't that "be" enough? We are all throwing our subjective weight around here when no one opinion is more right than the other. Even the Square developer's created their world subjectively so perhaps it's big enough for them. Going to try and avoid adding a wall to this topic just wanted to toss some perspective in this soup.
Alternately, too small compared to what? FF11 at launch? WoW at launch? Does it really matter? Halo: Reach has 9 campaign chapters - does that make it less of a game or experience than a shooter with 12-15 campaign chapters?
you people are so gullible i cant beleive you say "oh its just beta they will add more zones and content over time"..
Are you implying they won't?
FFXI launched with a world map not much larger than XIV's will be at launch and look how huge it's become over time.
It's not gullibility to believe SE - or any MMO developer - will continue to expand their game worlds over time to become much larger than what they launch with. It's common sense.
He meant that when game is released - there is gonna be the same game as you playing in Open beta. If you agree to wait a year to have more leves added and play the game for a year in the state that it is now in Open Beta - well its your choise, but I am not taking it. This game definitely don't deserve a full monthly pay of 15$ OR even 49.95$ for the copy of it. There is like 10% of the actual game is completed. The rest is like in developer minds still...
Proof? how the hell do you know how much is in the gamE? based on starting zones of a freaking beta? you people are just up in some sort of hating land.
I played WoW beta... you couldnt do everything in the phase i was in, yet come retail there was content to 60... and you guys want to be in denial that there wont be enough content past level 20 to keep us occupied?
who are you people? the only beta ive done that failed that badly with content was Age of Conan.
Proof? how the hell do you know how much is in the gamE? based on starting zones of a freaking beta? you people are just up in some sort of hating land.
I played WoW beta... you couldnt do everything in the phase i was in, yet come retail there was content to 60... and you guys want to be in denial that there wont be enough content past level 20 to keep us occupied?
who are you people? the only beta ive done that failed that badly with content was Age of Conan.
Have to laugh, thers was more than enogh content in OB to last months....
Not sure where all the hate is coming from ..... FFXIV (Is a great game with the full release it will be exeptional), with expansions the sky is the limit.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
You can see that all really within a couple hours, I saw most of the top right zone within 30 mins. Sad thing is once you've done the main quest, there is nothing left to do but grind, the game doesn't even have PVP to make up for the lack of quests.
It is beta but i agree i jus don't see how this game will retain a big chunk of its player base (especially newer MMO players who havnt played FFXI and don't know what to expect) without any pvp.. I mean, a lot of FFXIV players are gonna be PvE only players and ex- FFXI players but a even bigger portion is gonna be people who are new to the FFMMO franchise and are jus lookin for a game to play until SWTOR or TERA comes out.. They are gonna be sorley disapointed when they realize there's no PvP in the game (atleast not now.)
Currently Playing: Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
As of many polls at many sites PvE is the foundation of any subscriber mmorpg and proof is that there is no subscriber mmorpg that does well that has a foundation based on pvp. So there is no problem and no need to push things before the concepts are tested and thoguth over and proven to fit into this game!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
SHHHH! No one tell the fanbois their game has faults or they'll tell you they like the terrible game play, map layouts, lack of content, having to pay for more then 1 toon, the lack of an auction house, etc.. and tell you to go "back to WoW", since apparently that's a huge insult. I'm sure Blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank, and right up until they fall asleep at night on a giant pile of money. Like I've said before, you 1000 people have fun in your empty sandbox after a month.
As of many polls at many sites PvE is the foundation of any subscriber mmorpg and proof is that there is no subscriber mmorpg that does well that has a foundation based on pvp.
So there is no problem and no need to push things before the concepts are tested and thoguth over and proven to fit into this game!
No one said it has to be FULLY based on PvP but ALL succesfull P2P mmo's that have came out in the last few years (not many) have had PvP included some way or another.. PvE might be the foundation, but when the foundation gets boring players are gonna wanna look for something to do inbetween the grind.. That is when they usually pvp..
For the players who havn't played FFXI and don't know that FFXIV will be PvE only will be dissapointed.. As almost every AAA p2p game has launched with PvP and if it was up to Square Enix FFXIV would launch with it too.. But instead of delaying the game a bit to add in this content they are rushing it to the market and patching it in later.. That didn't work for FFXI and it won't work here.. But w/e you're entitled to you're opinion.. But just look at MMO's track records, any MMO that's had a somewhat succesful launch after WoW has included pvp.
Currently Playing: Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
It is beta but i agree i jus don't see how this game will retain a big chunk of its player base (especially newer MMO players who havnt played FFXI and don't know what to expect) without any pvp.. I mean, a lot of FFXIV players are gonna be PvE only players and ex- FFXI players but a even bigger portion is gonna be people who are new to the FFMMO franchise and are jus lookin for a game to play until SWTOR or TERA comes out.. They are gonna be sorley disapointed when they realize there's no PvP in the game (atleast not now.)
The more I hear of it, the more I think SWTOR will disappoint a lot of people who are expecting an MMORPG, seems like it's more of a Knights Of The Old Republic with auto-content generation and some multiplayer mechanics. (Not that KOTRO isn't awesome...)
T.E.R.A.? Either I never heard of it or that acronym doesn't work for me.
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Yes, trust him! Dont look at the official world map, forget what SE wrote about the world : after all, he played at many beta so he know.
be what it may bub, It is my opinion, nothing more. I never said this world sucks because I cant jump, i said it sucks that I cant explore freely to certain areas, or the area is closed off or "funneled". Given your level of 'progression" in the game you have to of seen this type of design.
If you agree with me or not, its fine, I am not going to lose sleep over it. I appreciate you taking time to elaborate your argument. Yes, did make some valid points, But from the years i have played MMO's this game is shall we say "more" linear in on how it directs from point A to point B. I am not talking with regards to quest progression, I am talking about how the world is built. My experience in FFXIV is one of blocked off, funneled paths, with little or no elbow room to go anywhere, but those paths. Wow, granted has seamless loading, tyhough the zones are "closed" off by predesigned environments, e.g. mountains etc. FFXIV has some seamless loading with zones minus the cities. I am merely mentioning the way the world is built for exploration, with regards to world design, to me, and yes this is my OPINION, got to remember to elaborate that, is far more linearly built than wow, eq2, and definitely compared to pre 2004/5 MMO's where you could go places freely, though there was a level of danger in doing so, but you had the ability to do so. I won't try to persuade you, I am merely stating my opinion on my experience of past MMO world designs, vs the present. So regardless, I say enjoy the game, by all means, I wish you happiness and joy in FFXIV, but in the end its different strokes for different folks. No one is wrong, its just a matter of opinion. I will leave it at that.
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Just when the Devs prove all the previous exagerated Troll complaints false, they find something else and blow it up to make it seem a thousand times worse then it actually is. Its amazing to watch how people will whine and cry about anything just in hopes of seeing something fail.
thanks for beta testing.
There is an awful lot of text in these 11 pages.
Not certain how to defend either way. Those claiming it's too small have not swayed me. Sounding more like "Nuh-uh you're wrong" rather than debate over interpretation of factual data.
Objectively we saw areas for up to level 30 in OB. I saw a couple map choices that I didn't look at in OB, assuming those will be higher level only or available at launch.
Launch is supposed to go to level 50, I take that to mean there were areas not available from levels 31-50 in OB.
The world felt large enough to me at this point, and shouldn't that "be" enough? We are all throwing our subjective weight around here when no one opinion is more right than the other. Even the Square developer's created their world subjectively so perhaps it's big enough for them. Going to try and avoid adding a wall to this topic just wanted to toss some perspective in this soup.
Alternately, too small compared to what? FF11 at launch? WoW at launch? Does it really matter? Halo: Reach has 9 campaign chapters - does that make it less of a game or experience than a shooter with 12-15 campaign chapters?
Proof? how the hell do you know how much is in the gamE? based on starting zones of a freaking beta? you people are just up in some sort of hating land.
I played WoW beta... you couldnt do everything in the phase i was in, yet come retail there was content to 60... and you guys want to be in denial that there wont be enough content past level 20 to keep us occupied?
who are you people? the only beta ive done that failed that badly with content was Age of Conan.
Have to laugh, thers was more than enogh content in OB to last months....
Not sure where all the hate is coming from ..... FFXIV (Is a great game with the full release it will be exeptional), with expansions the sky is the limit.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
It is beta but i agree i jus don't see how this game will retain a big chunk of its player base (especially newer MMO players who havnt played FFXI and don't know what to expect) without any pvp.. I mean, a lot of FFXIV players are gonna be PvE only players and ex- FFXI players but a even bigger portion is gonna be people who are new to the FFMMO franchise and are jus lookin for a game to play until SWTOR or TERA comes out.. They are gonna be sorley disapointed when they realize there's no PvP in the game (atleast not now.)
Currently Playing:
Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
Plz don't necro.
The last post was 1 day from me.. I dont know if you know what necro means or not.
Currently Playing:
Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
As of many polls at many sites PvE is the foundation of any subscriber mmorpg and proof is that there is no subscriber mmorpg that does well that has a foundation based on pvp.
So there is no problem and no need to push things before the concepts are tested and thoguth over and proven to fit into this game!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
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SHHHH! No one tell the fanbois their game has faults or they'll tell you they like the terrible game play, map layouts, lack of content, having to pay for more then 1 toon, the lack of an auction house, etc.. and tell you to go "back to WoW", since apparently that's a huge insult. I'm sure Blizzard is laughing all the way to the bank, and right up until they fall asleep at night on a giant pile of money. Like I've said before, you 1000 people have fun in your empty sandbox after a month.
No one said it has to be FULLY based on PvP but ALL succesfull P2P mmo's that have came out in the last few years (not many) have had PvP included some way or another.. PvE might be the foundation, but when the foundation gets boring players are gonna wanna look for something to do inbetween the grind.. That is when they usually pvp..
For the players who havn't played FFXI and don't know that FFXIV will be PvE only will be dissapointed.. As almost every AAA p2p game has launched with PvP and if it was up to Square Enix FFXIV would launch with it too.. But instead of delaying the game a bit to add in this content they are rushing it to the market and patching it in later.. That didn't work for FFXI and it won't work here.. But w/e you're entitled to you're opinion.. But just look at MMO's track records, any MMO that's had a somewhat succesful launch after WoW has included pvp.
Currently Playing:
Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
That's cuz someone hard core necroed it yesterday, and people keep bumping it.
Please, just let it die.
It is beta but i agree i jus don't see how this game will retain a big chunk of its player base (especially newer MMO players who havnt played FFXI and don't know what to expect) without any pvp.. I mean, a lot of FFXIV players are gonna be PvE only players and ex- FFXI players but a even bigger portion is gonna be people who are new to the FFMMO franchise and are jus lookin for a game to play until SWTOR or TERA comes out.. They are gonna be sorley disapointed when they realize there's no PvP in the game (atleast not now.)
The more I hear of it, the more I think SWTOR will disappoint a lot of people who are expecting an MMORPG, seems like it's more of a Knights Of The Old Republic with auto-content generation and some multiplayer mechanics. (Not that KOTRO isn't awesome...)
T.E.R.A.? Either I never heard of it or that acronym doesn't work for me.