I dont recal AoC holding things back, I remember loving the beta.. and being disapointed in the release.
But what I dont understand is why would they cut out all the quests? You test the latest "build" in an Open Beta for the exact reason to discover 'broken quests' bugs and stress test.
I realise that in Asian culture quests and adventuring arnt quite so important, so I really would beleive that they just arnt there, It very much reminds me of Ragnarok, Which I did beta back in the day and still today has very few quests.
but if indeed they are part of the game and just hidden from Beta, why would they dismiss the chance to test them in the public envoiroment? Does is not mean that actually, there are more likley to be problems on release? I'm no "military man" but I am a business man and I do business with a lot of asian organisations, I have to say I cant figure out any business sense to releasing an untested product to millions of faithfull fans.
Well it's my understanding that most people who join OB's view it as sort of a test run or free trial. I think that SE knows this and therefore gave us a sort a free trial, with the added benefit that they get to test their servers. Thats why they would hold back a lot of content because then people like me who view it as a trial will get just that, a trial.
I personally think its a good move on their part because it stops people from essentially doing all that they can do. It's just a way to keep things "fresh" when the game launches.
Whether or not everything else will be bug free I couldnt say, but I'm sure after 20+ years of developing games they know what they're doing.
Well it's my understanding that most people who join OB's view it as sort of a test run or free trial. I think that SE knows this and therefore gave us a sort a free trial, with the added benefit that they get to test their servers. Thats why they would hold back a lot of content because then people like me who view it as a trial will get just that, a trial.
I personally think its a good move on their part because it stops people from essentially doing all that they can do. It's just a way to keep things "fresh" when the game launches.
Whether or not everything else will be bug free I couldnt say, but I'm sure after 20+ years of developing games they know what they're doing.
I would say the same thing but I played FFXi for a long time and I am starting to see the same pattern.
If there's more level 1 & 10 battleleves when the game goes live on the 22nd, we'll all have the answer about how much content there really was in the betas. If there isn't more, feel free to complain then & not a second before.
Well it's my understanding that most people who join OB's view it as sort of a test run or free trial. I think that SE knows this and therefore gave us a sort a free trial, with the added benefit that they get to test their servers. Thats why they would hold back a lot of content because then people like me who view it as a trial will get just that, a trial.
I personally think its a good move on their part because it stops people from essentially doing all that they can do. It's just a way to keep things "fresh" when the game launches.
Whether or not everything else will be bug free I couldn't say, but I'm sure after 20+ years of developing games they know what they're doing.
I suppose I am one of the minority who wanted to try the OB to help figure out a few bugs and put in my 5 cents. I pre-ordered and will play from day 1 (or day 'whatever' after the shipping from Gamestop decides to deliver). The problem is that I am not getting the chance to help and it is moderately frustrating. The patcher hasn't been good to me. Yesterday's patch hung up at 94.6%...for hours. Restart several times and the same thing repeats. Restart this AM, same thing but with a timeout. I was then shocked to walk out of the room for 5 minutes (after restarting) to find that not only did the file finish but that I was patching files number 2! Of course that file is stuck at 99.9%...for an hour and counting.
Okay maybe I am putting in my 5 cents by contributing to the 'The patcher needs work' bug list but it would be nice to se some of the rest as well.
Still looking forward to playing the game and growing with it for some time to come but the frustration is legitimate.
Despite the overly condescending tone of the OP I do agree with a lot of what was said.This Open beta is old school open beta,by which I mean it's still fully in beta production and not just a server stress test/marketing ploy and the mechnaics of the game are still being tested and balanced and changed.I also liek the fact they are limiting the content available and only giving enough to test their gameplay sysems.It leaves things for peopel to discover after launch.
On the other hand people can only judge a game on what they are experiencing now.Buying a game based on what MIGHT happen in the future is how many peopel have been burnt lately.If it wasn't for peop[le buying MMOs on perceived potential Cryptic and Funcom would probably be in a lot of trouble by now.Granted AoC is finally delivering on some of that percieved potential but 2 years(roughly) after launch,and games liek Warhammer and Aion would also have lower numbers at launch thna they did.
What I'm saying is because of this some people are a lot more leery of buying games on it's perceived potential now and justifiably so.Also Telling peopel to STFU and to not let the door hit them on the way out jsut because they have an opinion different to yours is pretty arrogant,self indulgent and elitist and not a good advertisement for the FFXIV community and is more likely to put others off than the current poor UI implementation and mouse/keyboard controls.
There's currently a lot to liek about FFXIV AND a lot to not like.I am currently ont he fence aobut ti myself and will be waiting to see how things are at launch with the whole game being able to be scrutinized before deciding.I also have to wonder if peopel would be so defensive of this games flaws if it wasn't a Final Fantasy game by SE and being released by an unknown newcomer.
You are wasting your time. People here are so vested in their hate or love of any given game that there is no reasoning with them. Luckily MMORPG.com forums don't even closely represent any games community. Just a bunch of angsty over opinionated posters that will never be happy with anything.
I know some of you above me think you know everything, but about a miracle patch did you know that from beta phase 3 to less than a week later in open beta 2 entire cities were added to the game, in the phase before that multiple classes were enabled in the beta. The content was almost trippled in a matter of a week. SE has always had an internal version vs. the beta version. The final game is 12 gb, but for most of the beta phases it was only 4gb, then in OB up to 8-9 gb.
The cities were already there dude, they just finally allowed access. It's not like they created the content between cb3 and open beta.
Square Enix does not currently give a flying flip what you or the next person think about the actual gameplay.
What players that played XI for years and years are leary about is that we've seen this before. It has nothing to do with us being worried about a new game, it has everything to do with SE. They took 3 years to address the most glaring issue at the time and a few more to even respond to our worries about other problems.
They're going down the same route communication wise and also content wise it seems. While most were willing to put up with it back then because we put so much time into the game, that won't be the case this time around.
Yeah they don't care if their game is good. They have completely ignored every issue in beta. They don't care about their jobs or sub numbers.
Are you kidding me? Every single issue brought up in beta has been fixed or addressed. This is their job, and they are passionate about gaming. They care more than almost any devs to come along since WoW about a quality product and making a great game. You guys are dillusional...
Watch this and tell me they don't care. Then watch that hack promoting WAR, or any of the hacks promoting AoC. If you want to be asshats and troll a forum screaming doom and gloom and spreading crap at least respect those who care about making games, and not just collecting a check.
Square Enix does not currently give a flying flip what you or the next person think about the actual gameplay.
What players that played XI for years and years are leary about is that we've seen this before. It has nothing to do with us being worried about a new game, it has everything to do with SE. They took 3 years to address the most glaring issue at the time and a few more to even respond to our worries about other problems.
They're going down the same route communication wise and also content wise it seems. While most were willing to put up with it back then because we put so much time into the game, that won't be the case this time around.
lol this is so true. We should list them all and see how long it gets lol.
You can slam SE for not communicating enough with the playerbase, but that doesn't mean they don't listen or pay attention to the state of the game. How could you play enough to get 6+ classes to 75 and not realize that maybe SE is doing something right and knows how to make a pretty fun game. It maintained 500k subs for a crazy long time and kept up a great healthy population. There are things you and I love about the game.
PAX is a clear indication of how out of touch the older guys at SE are with current players. I know it's a culture thing but i want to see some younger fresh blood with new ideas have more say in their mmo development. I'm an older fellow myself and quite stubborn so i see why they're hesitant, but i think it's holding back the overall potential of the game.
Quotes from a few people i know at PAX:
"SE panel sucked pretty much. Sage Sundi came out for 5 whole seconds. They showed a trailer that hadn't been shown in the US yet, but most of us have alrdy seen screenshots. The community manager didn't say much other than, "our combat is fast. You progress fast. U get this game at the same time as japan."
Then a lady came out and did a pretty fail deus ex presentation. Overall I wasn't impressed."
"The SE booth was disappointing. I went over to start a char in Ffxiv & talk to one of the employees only to find out he knew nothing about the game. When I called him on it, he kicked me off the computer before I was even got out of town. He claimed he needed to rotate in ppl who hadn't seen the game, & I said but I haven't seen Gridania..... Douchebag."
They do not have locked content, other than the full story arc. Other than that, what you see is what's going to be there on launch day.
Oh you must be right, you have such a great credibility that everyone must believe you.
So game will be 15gb, currently 9gb. I want to know what the other 6gb is.
Also if you have a read of teh Beta manual you will find it says things like.
During the Beta Test phase, there will be a total of eighteen types of arms and tools available: five types for Disciples of War, two types for Disciples of Magic, three types for Disciples of the Land, and eight types for Disciples of the Hand.
* For the duration of the Beta Test, characters KO’d will receive a weakness penalty which will not only lower total HP, but also reduce the speed with which their stamina gauge fills, as well as increase the length of casting times. This penalty will last five minutes before wearing off.
* Beta version contains only a fraction of what is planned in the full version.
In the Beta version, a character's race, clan, gender, nameday, and guardian do not affect his/her attributes.A maximum of three characters can be created per account.
* Physical level and Class ranks caps will be set at 30 for the Beta Test Phase.
Q: Do Disciples of the Land and Disciples of the Hand have any battle options other than throwing stones?
A: Not during the Beta tests.
So no locked content?
Should I continue.?
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I dont recal AoC holding things back, I remember loving the beta.. and being disapointed in the release.
But what I dont understand is why would they cut out all the quests? You test the latest "build" in an Open Beta for the exact reason to discover 'broken quests' bugs and stress test.
I realise that in Asian culture quests and adventuring arnt quite so important, so I really would beleive that they just arnt there, It very much reminds me of Ragnarok, Which I did beta back in the day and still today has very few quests.
but if indeed they are part of the game and just hidden from Beta, why would they dismiss the chance to test them in the public envoiroment? Does is not mean that actually, there are more likley to be problems on release? I'm no "military man" but I am a business man and I do business with a lot of asian organisations, I have to say I cant figure out any business sense to releasing an untested product to millions of faithfull fans.
Well it's my understanding that most people who join OB's view it as sort of a test run or free trial. I think that SE knows this and therefore gave us a sort a free trial, with the added benefit that they get to test their servers. Thats why they would hold back a lot of content because then people like me who view it as a trial will get just that, a trial.
I personally think its a good move on their part because it stops people from essentially doing all that they can do. It's just a way to keep things "fresh" when the game launches.
Whether or not everything else will be bug free I couldnt say, but I'm sure after 20+ years of developing games they know what they're doing.
I would say the same thing but I played FFXi for a long time and I am starting to see the same pattern.
A very bold statement indeed.
I look forward to standing corrected. Otherwise these words may yet haunt you
I like facts!!
Lets see...Oh! I have one!
If there's more level 1 & 10 battleleves when the game goes live on the 22nd, we'll all have the answer about how much content there really was in the betas. If there isn't more, feel free to complain then & not a second before.
I sure hope your wrong on that
I suppose I am one of the minority who wanted to try the OB to help figure out a few bugs and put in my 5 cents. I pre-ordered and will play from day 1 (or day 'whatever' after the shipping from Gamestop decides to deliver). The problem is that I am not getting the chance to help and it is moderately frustrating. The patcher hasn't been good to me. Yesterday's patch hung up at 94.6%...for hours. Restart several times and the same thing repeats. Restart this AM, same thing but with a timeout. I was then shocked to walk out of the room for 5 minutes (after restarting) to find that not only did the file finish but that I was patching files number 2! Of course that file is stuck at 99.9%...for an hour and counting.
Okay maybe I am putting in my 5 cents by contributing to the 'The patcher needs work' bug list but it would be nice to se some of the rest as well.
Still looking forward to playing the game and growing with it for some time to come but the frustration is legitimate.
You better take some screenshots because they will deny it lol. =P
Despite the overly condescending tone of the OP I do agree with a lot of what was said.This Open beta is old school open beta,by which I mean it's still fully in beta production and not just a server stress test/marketing ploy and the mechnaics of the game are still being tested and balanced and changed.I also liek the fact they are limiting the content available and only giving enough to test their gameplay sysems.It leaves things for peopel to discover after launch.
On the other hand people can only judge a game on what they are experiencing now.Buying a game based on what MIGHT happen in the future is how many peopel have been burnt lately.If it wasn't for peop[le buying MMOs on perceived potential Cryptic and Funcom would probably be in a lot of trouble by now.Granted AoC is finally delivering on some of that percieved potential but 2 years(roughly) after launch,and games liek Warhammer and Aion would also have lower numbers at launch thna they did.
What I'm saying is because of this some people are a lot more leery of buying games on it's perceived potential now and justifiably so.Also Telling peopel to STFU and to not let the door hit them on the way out jsut because they have an opinion different to yours is pretty arrogant,self indulgent and elitist and not a good advertisement for the FFXIV community and is more likely to put others off than the current poor UI implementation and mouse/keyboard controls.
There's currently a lot to liek about FFXIV AND a lot to not like.I am currently ont he fence aobut ti myself and will be waiting to see how things are at launch with the whole game being able to be scrutinized before deciding.I also have to wonder if peopel would be so defensive of this games flaws if it wasn't a Final Fantasy game by SE and being released by an unknown newcomer.
They do not have locked content, other than the full story arc. Other than that, what you see is what's going to be there on launch day.
The cities were already there dude, they just finally allowed access. It's not like they created the content between cb3 and open beta.
What players that played XI for years and years are leary about is that we've seen this before. It has nothing to do with us being worried about a new game, it has everything to do with SE. They took 3 years to address the most glaring issue at the time and a few more to even respond to our worries about other problems.
They're going down the same route communication wise and also content wise it seems. While most were willing to put up with it back then because we put so much time into the game, that won't be the case this time around.
That, is why they fail....
Yeah they don't care if their game is good. They have completely ignored every issue in beta. They don't care about their jobs or sub numbers.
Are you kidding me? Every single issue brought up in beta has been fixed or addressed. This is their job, and they are passionate about gaming. They care more than almost any devs to come along since WoW about a quality product and making a great game. You guys are dillusional...
Watch this and tell me they don't care. Then watch that hack promoting WAR, or any of the hacks promoting AoC. If you want to be asshats and troll a forum screaming doom and gloom and spreading crap at least respect those who care about making games, and not just collecting a check.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIO2gS5ZeLI&feature=channel
lol this is so true. We should list them all and see how long it gets lol.
You can slam SE for not communicating enough with the playerbase, but that doesn't mean they don't listen or pay attention to the state of the game. How could you play enough to get 6+ classes to 75 and not realize that maybe SE is doing something right and knows how to make a pretty fun game. It maintained 500k subs for a crazy long time and kept up a great healthy population. There are things you and I love about the game.
PAX is a clear indication of how out of touch the older guys at SE are with current players. I know it's a culture thing but i want to see some younger fresh blood with new ideas have more say in their mmo development. I'm an older fellow myself and quite stubborn so i see why they're hesitant, but i think it's holding back the overall potential of the game.
Quotes from a few people i know at PAX:
"SE panel sucked pretty much. Sage Sundi came out for 5 whole seconds. They showed a trailer that hadn't been shown in the US yet, but most of us have alrdy seen screenshots. The community manager didn't say much other than, "our combat is fast. You progress fast. U get this game at the same time as japan."
Then a lady came out and did a pretty fail deus ex presentation. Overall I wasn't impressed."
"The SE booth was disappointing. I went over to start a char in Ffxiv & talk to one of the employees only to find out he knew nothing about the game. When I called him on it, he kicked me off the computer before I was even got out of town. He claimed he needed to rotate in ppl who hadn't seen the game, & I said but I haven't seen Gridania..... Douchebag."
Oh you must be right, you have such a great credibility that everyone must believe you.
So game will be 15gb, currently 9gb. I want to know what the other 6gb is.
Also if you have a read of teh Beta manual you will find it says things like.
During the Beta Test phase, there will be a total of eighteen types of arms and tools available: five types for Disciples of War, two types for Disciples of Magic, three types for Disciples of the Land, and eight types for Disciples of the Hand.
* For the duration of the Beta Test, characters KO’d will receive a weakness penalty which will not only lower total HP, but also reduce the speed with which their stamina gauge fills, as well as increase the length of casting times. This penalty will last five minutes before wearing off.
* Beta version contains only a fraction of what is planned in the full version.
In the Beta version, a character's race, clan, gender, nameday, and guardian do not affect his/her attributes.A maximum of three characters can be created per account.
* Physical level and Class ranks caps will be set at 30 for the Beta Test Phase.
Q: Do Disciples of the Land and Disciples of the Hand have any battle options other than throwing stones?
A: Not during the Beta tests.
So no locked content?
Should I continue.?
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