I find the lack of armor and weapon shops as well as an auction house disappointing

mordaki987

I find the lack of armor and weapon shops as well as any kind of an auction house disappointing.  How are we supposed to gain upgraded weapons or armor if we can't buy them from either armor or clothing shops as well as from weapon shops.  I'm not going to go around to every player in the game and look at their stuff just for armor or weapon upgrades.  same goes for an auction house what good is not having an auction house?  It gives players a way to buy armor, weapons or needed items from other players as well as provides some kind of in game economy.  I'm not enitrely sure now i want to play ffxiv if it's lacking in so many areas.  example natural hp and mp regen when not in combat ect.  Anyway forgive my ranting.

kelarcanus

There are weapon shops. They sell basic weapons so you can change classes. In release there may or may not shops that sell other items. But let's be serious, when have you ever played an MMO that sold useful weapons and armor off NPCs? Items are always gotten from drops and crafting.

 

Weapon and armor upgrades at the moment seem to be through the crafting system only, or via drops. What's that? Crafting is actually useful in an MMO?! No wai!

 

There are also auction houses coming after release. Right now there's the broken system. I'm not entirely sure how it works, but in theory you go to the market place where players have put NPCs, then you look at them as if they were each independant shops.

Belarion

I find your decision to play a beta for any other reason besides testing disapointing. I do not believe that this beta serves that purpose, like some other companies use it for. You do and so your decisions will be based on that assumption and you will not end up playing the game. But ultimately the ff14 community will benefit from the lack of people who expect "everything now!".

ProfRed

You know what is funny.  In early beta they had more weapons and armors available from NPC's.  Now that crafting is fully in they have taken them out, and for good reason.  They are trying to make a completely player driven economy with inter woven crafting, retairners, and companies that can create and market anything in the game.  It is crazy impressive how much stuff there is too because of their armor morphing system.  You should check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc0ilSksWBQ

Don't be so quick to judge negatively.  Take a step back and think of what this might create in the long run.  If you want more WoW play WoW.

Clubmaster22

Originally posted by ProfRed

You know what is funny.  In early beta they had more weapons and armors available from NPC's.  Now that crafting is fully in they have taken them out, and for good reason.  They are trying to make a completely player driven economy with inter woven crafting, retairners, and companies that can create and market anything in the game.  It is crazy impressive how much stuff there is too because of their armor morphing system.  You should check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc0ilSksWBQ

Thx for the video which is extremely interesting. However: If it's true that they want the economy to be purely player-driven, why are there not even the simplest tools in place to make it actually happen? Why no auction house? Why no tradechannel? Why is there no way to determine, what item is worth crafting and what is junk? How are they expecting us to monitor the constant shifting in supply and demand which is the core of a player driven economy? I'm really interested in the logic behind this. 

Purely player-driven economy is a very hard thing to do right and as of today there is only one game where this works as intended: Eve. Every other attempt (incl. FF XI) failed miserably because of inflation, which will spread like wildfire as soon as the goldsellers come in (and they will be there from day one). So again: How do they plan to pull it off without even the most basic of tools? Please i don't want to bash, i'm just wondering.

ProfRed

There are un-implemented features like mog houses, some of the company dynamics, etc.  They have already stated they are looking into a way to search market wards for items and possibly prices or price ranges.  It is a fundamental system that works great that they will build on rather than jamming in unfinished and buggy issues.  It is just how they do things.  They want to create a more personal merchant to customer experience and that is what they will continue to work on.  I know its hard to grasp because it isn't 100% in at launch, but if you understand that there are some devs who jam way too much in and fix bugs for years, and some that put in a solid foundation and grow it constantly then maybe it will make more sense.

zandman78

Wow that video looks awesome. No more looking like everybody else!!

I will love FFXIV! :P

ThomasN7

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

Sovrath

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

Heck, Becasue there are no armor and weapons shops and because there is no auction house, I find myself more intrigued by this game.

 

That itemization video looks great as well.

Bloodaxes

Wow cool already 1000 armors and more to come :P

Hope they make some drops from mobs in ffxi it was pretty hard to get armor from mobs unless you fought an nm.

paterah

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

 Indeed, this is nothing like WoW and I along with many people don't want it to be. However, the game does some things different and some other things well...stupid.

Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

 Indeed, this is nothing like WoW and I along with many people don't want it to be. However, the game does some things different and some other things well...stupid.

If you dont like it peace out. I swear SE is going to advertise FF14 and in the closing credits on tv it will say "Only on PC and PS3. Poopsocks won't be missed"

Xerathule

I find everything disappointing!  It is a gay theme and it has no depth in the controls and you are limited to where you can go.  It is a console game for kids.  Back to WoW again.

paterah

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

 Indeed, this is nothing like WoW and I along with many people don't want it to be. However, the game does some things different and some other things well...stupid.

If you dont like it peace out. I swear SE is going to advertise FF14 and in the closing credits on tv it will say "Only on PC and PS3. Poopsocks won't be missed"

 We are merely discussing a game here. I'm sorry but this is not your imaginary world, this is reality, if you like this game so much that you don't want anyone badmouth it you can join the ffxiv fansite anytime.

Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

 Indeed, this is nothing like WoW and I along with many people don't want it to be. However, the game does some things different and some other things well...stupid.

If you dont like it peace out. I swear SE is going to advertise FF14 and in the closing credits on tv it will say "Only on PC and PS3. Poopsocks won't be missed"

 We are merely discussing a game here. I'm sorry but this is not your imaginary world, this is reality, if you like this game so much that you don't want anyone badmouth it you can join the ffxiv fansite anytime.

A discussion about a game you won't play unless it has all the right features? Why bother? Just go play whatever  does have the features you want. OH WAIT , no game is perfect. /sigh ...poopsocks

Belarion

Originally posted by Xerathule

I find everything disappointing!  It is a gay theme and it has no depth in the controls and you are limited to where you can go.  It is a console game for kids.  Back to WoW again.

right... discussion... Why should this ^ be the sort of discussion the FF14 forum is plaqued with eh? Healthy discussion my ass.

paterah

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

 Indeed, this is nothing like WoW and I along with many people don't want it to be. However, the game does some things different and some other things well...stupid.

If you dont like it peace out. I swear SE is going to advertise FF14 and in the closing credits on tv it will say "Only on PC and PS3. Poopsocks won't be missed"

 We are merely discussing a game here. I'm sorry but this is not your imaginary world, this is reality, if you like this game so much that you don't want anyone badmouth it you can join the ffxiv fansite anytime.

A discussion about a game you won't play unless it has all the right features? Why bother? Just go play whatever  does have the features you want. OH WAIT , no game is perfect. /sigh ...poopsocks

 All the right features? I was thinking to play this game a month ago and I grasped some positive things while playing it, but those things are way overshadowed by all the negative things that plague it.

Fourplay

There is going to be an AH, The big SE fansites have been clamoring for refinements to the retainer and asking for an AH for a long time now. I don't know how they are going to go about making the retainer system work. But they are trying to find a way to make the retainer system have it's own strengths over an AH system and make sure people still have uses for it when a traditional AH system does arrive. And yes the armor dyes and changes are pimp

 

I keep seeing comments on multiple threads about FFXIV being pretty, sissy, ungory, etc. That's not what the Final Fantasy series is about. Your not going to see heads lopped off, or blood splattering everywhere as you hack n slash a million miles an hour through a thousand foes. If Capcom ever makes an mmorpg you might see that there. If you are going to like FFXIV combat, it is going to be the teamwork aspect and tactical use of ablities. The combat will never be as fast as ninja gaiden sigma. Violence between players goes against their PvE goal. It is why SE was reluctant to put PvP in FF11. They are going to be adding PvP to this game in the future. Because they realize that some players require PvP. You will hear sexual innuendos, or maybe almost see all the way up a mi'qotes dress. But you will never see the bare ass like you can in Tera. The game is about the journey and sharing adventures with friends. Yea it sounds like care bears, but that's what it means to play FFXIV. When you do get to the endgame stuff later, there will be plenty of that also. The game will start off light and then grow in darkness as you near endgame. It's how their offline games function, it's how FFXi functioned, and it will most likely be that way in FFXIV. If that's not your cup of tea combat wise. Hope you can enjoy it enough to stick around. 

Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by Belarion

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by SaintViktor

This is not WoW. I repeat, this is not WoW. As soon as some grasp the concept it is not WoW then you will understand alot better how FFXIV works.

 Indeed, this is nothing like WoW and I along with many people don't want it to be. However, the game does some things different and some other things well...stupid.

If you dont like it peace out. I swear SE is going to advertise FF14 and in the closing credits on tv it will say "Only on PC and PS3. Poopsocks won't be missed"

 We are merely discussing a game here. I'm sorry but this is not your imaginary world, this is reality, if you like this game so much that you don't want anyone badmouth it you can join the ffxiv fansite anytime.

A discussion about a game you won't play unless it has all the right features? Why bother? Just go play whatever  does have the features you want. OH WAIT , no game is perfect. /sigh ...poopsocks

 All the right features? I was thinking to play this game a month ago and I grasped some positive things while playing it, but those things are way overshadowed by all the negative things that plague it.

Fantastic! Then you won't be missed, goodbye.

Clubmaster22

Originally posted by Belarion

Fantastic! Then you won't be missed, goodbye.

Poopsock!

Belarion

Originally posted by Clubmaster22

Originally posted by Belarion

Fantastic! Then you won't be missed, goodbye.

Poopsock!

You know it.

Fawarendan

I find the lack of armor and weapon shops as well as any kind of an auction house AWESOME. Do it oldstyle: craft your freaking weapons and go sell it on the street.

karmath

Originally posted by kelarcanus

Weapon and armor upgrades at the moment seem to be through the crafting system only, or via drops. What's that? Crafting is actually useful in an MMO?! No wai!

 

Funny thing is its the worst designed most laggy crafting system I've ever seen. Have you actually tried to craft something?

 

First you have to guess which components and the exact quantity make the base materials. Second you have to quess which base materials and the exact quantity of them craft an item which you have to guess what it will be, shirt, hat, ect.

 

Try doing all that while its taking 5-10 seconds to add one material.

 

No thanks.

 

Game will be dead after the free month I'm afraid.

DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by ProfRed

You know what is funny.  In early beta they had more weapons and armors available from NPC's.  Now that crafting is fully in they have taken them out, and for good reason.  They are trying to make a completely player driven economy with inter woven crafting, retairners, and companies that can create and market anything in the game.  It is crazy impressive how much stuff there is too because of their armor morphing system.  You should check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc0ilSksWBQ

Don't be so quick to judge negatively.  Take a step back and think of what this might create in the long run.  If you want more WoW play WoW.

Do you know what i love most about that video.. when that guy made a joke and didnt even crack a smile... see if you can find the joke!

 

 

But on topic, i really cant wait to devolop my armorer and create my own little shopin the world.

Atlan99

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by kelarcanus

Weapon and armor upgrades at the moment seem to be through the crafting system only, or via drops. What's that? Crafting is actually useful in an MMO?! No wai!

 

Funny thing is its the worst designed most laggy crafting system I've ever seen. Have you actually tried to craft something?

 

First you have to guess which components and the exact quantity make the base materials. Second you have to quess which base materials and the exact quantity of them craft an item which you have to guess what it will be, shirt, hat, ect.

 

Try doing all that while its taking 5-10 seconds to add one material.

 

No thanks.

 

Game will be dead after the free month I'm afraid.

 

They have websites you can visit  to grab some of the recipes.

The crafting system is fairly laggy though. Hopefully they have it optimized by launch.

My biggest complaint about the crafting system is that you have to level 3 or 4 different jobs to make a weapon.

Belarion

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by kelarcanus

Weapon and armor upgrades at the moment seem to be through the crafting system only, or via drops. What's that? Crafting is actually useful in an MMO?! No wai!

 

Funny thing is its the worst designed most laggy crafting system I've ever seen. Have you actually tried to craft something?

 

First you have to guess which components and the exact quantity make the base materials. Second you have to quess which base materials and the exact quantity of them craft an item which you have to guess what it will be, shirt, hat, ect.

 

Try doing all that while its taking 5-10 seconds to add one material.

 

No thanks.

 

Game will be dead after the free month I'm afraid.

Everyone will be sad to see you go . lol