No offense, but I think you're missing his point. No where in his post did I see him criticizing the game itself for any of the reasons you're defending. He's just pointing out the plethora of UI issues and the overall lack of polish with how certain systems in the game (and even out, ie. faulty patcher) are currently working/not working properly.
In other words, it's in similar shape to other mmos that have been launched prematurely in the past and he's warning true fans to speak out (in one sense, with their money) in a last ditch attempt to keep the game from suffering a half-assed launch. I, for one, agree with him. It just doesn't seem ready at this point.
A successful launch is pretty much imperative for any new mmo in the industry as it stands today. People have way more options now than they did when FFXI was released, so aside from the hardcore FF fans who will pretty much play no matter the state, many gamers won't be so forgiving. As if the tons of UI complaints and pre-order cancellation threads aren't any kind of indicator of this already...
No offense taken and I didn't miss his point. I may have been a little overly sensitive though. There have been a lot of emotions about this game the last few days and a couple of things triggered some of that again. To me, the last paragraph implied that everyone should feel there were serious problems with the game and that therefore people who were defending weren't being honest about it. With all due respect, that is not universally accepted to be true and assuming it is would be very dismissive of alternate views.
I have had no problems with the UI except that it is different from other MMOs and takes getting used to. Most people that I have talked to about the game outside of this forum found it fairly easy to learn once they downloaded the keyboard schematic. I've found the patcher to be very quick never taking more than a few minutes except for two times it hung at 94% and then I canceled after ten minutes and restarted and it completed a couple minutes later. I also disagree about the lack of polish and suspect we would disagree about specific systems in the game "currently working/not working properly". Many complaints I've heard before seem to me that people are assuming that if a system isn't working they way they want it to it isn't working 'properly'. Having personally not experienced any serious problems and with patches based on the closed beta coming every single day so far I see absolutely no legitimate reason for the launch to be delayed.
If you state that serious issues exist people who disagree may counter with their disagreements. But in this case I may have mistakenly believed the OP was attacking anyone who disagreed or defended the game and if so I apologize.
I have read through most of the posts here on this game. I have been playing the beta. Fan or no, answer this honestly. In its current state, would you feel good about recommending this to a friend as a purchase for pre-release or to buy on launch day?
I know I would not feel good about that. Especially if my friend was a novice to MMOs or computer gaming at all.
I am not saying it won't be a GREAT game but lets face it. Only a few weeks from launch and to me, it is in no better state than Vanguard or AOC at the time of launch for those games.
I was in the beta for both and even though there were serious issues pre-launch or in open beta at least you could easily download the fricken client and the mouse worked correctly.
Yeah, yeah, there are those select few who have had a blessed miracle cast upon them and the launcher works fine and the mouse works fine and there was no learning curve either.
As an FF fan or serious MMO vet you might "muscle" through it and wait it out till after release patches that will inevitably fix the issues but as it stands right now I cannot think of telling someone, go buy this game now, can you?
I am not trolling either. it is fair question as I see many versions of posters explaining how to do something or why it is OK that things are not working. Then I see others so frustrated it hurts. The "Its beta" argument goes out the window when some very basic functions are not working well and the UI/ gameplay is so very hard to get for even some vet MMO players.
Bottom line is if you answer with a no, which I assume most would, and you want this game to succeed, you need to stop making excuses for SE and let them know with the same passion you defend the game with, what it is they need to fix.
Before I awnser your question I would like to point out the game is in MUCH better shape than Vanguard and AoC at the time of launch. MUCH MUCH better shape. One that was just as bad as thoes two would be WAR. FFXIV is somewhere between LOTRO and WoW at launch. Yes the download client and mouse/ui problems suck but at least the game is still PLAYABLE which wasnt the case for VG/AoC. Oh and before you call me just another FFXIV fanboy I have no intention of buying the game and I'm one of the people with an alpha client still installed on my comp (yea Im lazy and havent gotten rid of it yet). If you where indeed in the beta's for VG or AoC there is no way you would compare FFXIV to them.
Now to awnser your question yes I would and no I wouldnt. IF the person asking me was a fan of FF games and an MMO vet, a real mmo vet that grew up with the likes of EQ, AC, FFXI not just WoW then yes I would reccomend it to them. I would warn them about the controlls and the laggy/crappy UI ect. but the game itself seems decent enough.
However if a person asked me if they should get it that grew up in the WoW era or is new to MMO's then no way in hell would I reccomend it. Things arent handed to you even from the start. Without a fairly decent knowledge of older MMO's where you had to find stuff for yourself and figure things out a person will hate this MMO.
As to why I wont be getting it, its verry simple. I find it extreemly anoying tabbing targets in combat and having to tab through other players as well. This is a problem I have complained about for a long time. If I could zoom out more and target with my mouse alittle easier I would overlook it but trust me when I say its extreemly frustrating as it stands when things arent as easy later in the game as they are in OB.
As far as the downloader concerns I'm baffled by them. I didnt have nearly these issues till OB. The mouse lag has always been there I can only assume they will fix it soon since it wasnt an issue in FFXI that I remember.
No offense, but I think you're missing his point. No where in his post did I see him criticizing the game itself for any of the reasons you're defending. He's just pointing out the plethora of UI issues and the overall lack of polish with how certain systems in the game (and even out, ie. faulty patcher) are currently working/not working properly.
In other words, it's in similar shape to other mmos that have been launched prematurely in the past and he's warning true fans to speak out (in one sense, with their money) in a last ditch attempt to keep the game from suffering a half-assed launch. I, for one, agree with him. It just doesn't seem ready at this point.
A successful launch is pretty much imperative for any new mmo in the industry as it stands today. People have way more options now than they did when FFXI was released, so aside from the hardcore FF fans who will pretty much play no matter the state, many gamers won't be so forgiving. As if the tons of UI complaints and pre-order cancellation threads aren't any kind of indicator of this already...
No offense taken and I didn't miss his point. I may have been a little overly sensitive though. There have been a lot of emotions about this game the last few days and a couple of things triggered some of that again. To me, the last paragraph implied that everyone should feel there were serious problems with the game and that therefore people who were defending weren't being honest about it. With all due respect, that is not universally accepted to be true and assuming it is would be very dismissive of alternate views.
I have had no problems with the UI except that it is different from other MMOs and takes getting used to. Most people that I have talked to about the game outside of this forum found it fairly easy to learn once they downloaded the keyboard schematic. I've found the patcher to be very quick never taking more than a few minutes except for two times it hung at 94% and then I canceled after ten minutes and restarted and it completed a couple minutes later. I also disagree about the lack of polish and suspect we would disagree about specific systems in the game "currently working/not working properly". Many complaints I've heard before seem to me that people are assuming that if a system isn't working they way they want it to it isn't working 'properly'. Having personally not experienced any serious problems and with patches based on the closed beta coming every single day so far I see absolutely no legitimate reason for the launch to be delayed.
If you state that serious issues exist people who disagree may counter with their disagreements. But in this case I may have mistakenly believed the OP was attacking anyone who disagreed or defended the game and if so I apologize.
While I disagree with you on the UI/controlls/patcher (glad you arent having a problem with it, I never did till OB) you reminded me something that is 100% true. Square was CONSTANTLY patching in CB. They do NOT do what alot of other companies do and wait till they have a huge patch to try and fix something. They, unlike most, do it as they go which makes it MUCH easier for them to fix things since they dont have a massive amount of data to go through everytime they change something to try and fix a problem.
After joining the Closed Beta, I cancelled my pre-order and don't really feel like I'm missing anything. If I wanted to play a console game on PC, I already have plenty of options that don't require a monthly fee. Square Enix seems to want to make a game different just to be different, not because it's fun.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II "People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
Bottom line is if you answer with a no, which I assume most would, and you want this game to succeed, you need to stop making excuses for SE and let them know with the same passion you defend the game with, what it is they need to fix.
LOL, and you think Square will listen to us? They certainly didn't for Final Fantasy XI, and they definitely won't now. They can go to hell for all i care. We testers have been ignored, ignored and ignored. The game is so pathetically cheap you would have to be completely delusional to see otherwise.
The problem with forum questions and posts of this nature is that it's all entirely opinion based. Which I suppose in and of itself isn't exactly bad, it's that the moment one opinion clashes with another it creates nothing but a bile filled thread full of spittle and hatred towards all who do not share a like minded point of view.
To firstly answer the question, yes I would recomend a preorder, as a matter of fact I have, but only to my friends whom I know would enjoy this style of game. I have a few buddies who I like to call instant gratification gamers, they're style is WoW, LoTRo and games of that sort. The kind that have clear cut starts and finishes to quests, a level that dictates capabilities and a fairly linear world.
Note I do NOT argue against these things, I've enjoyed my time in both of those games and many more and take each and every game I play for precisely what it is. I don't compare them to one another nor do I expect them to tap into my dreams and somehow be the game of my deepest needs and wants, they're a game and they're made a certain way, you like it or you don't.
For this game, it's going to be niche in my opinion, but it'll be a large cut of the niche market. The MMO landscape has needed another game like this for quite some time for those gamers that want to do on their own and work a little harder for what they get. Games such as WoW, AoC etc etc don't provide that opportunity.
I'll admit my favorite games in the past have been EVE and SWG (before it was manhandled by the NGE). Both games that said; "here's our game, this is our world, go do something in it." VERY few moments in both of those games did I ever feel like the game itself was telling me to go to point A to get Item B and return it to location C. Instead I felt...well at the begining insanely lost and confused (A feeling I don't hate, because it sets me to the task of figuring it out). Once I got used to the way the game works I felt like the world was at my fingertips, I had only to head out and take it at my pace and in my way.
Those are feelings I never got with LoTRo, WoW, AoC. I enjoyed them, AoC's first 20 levels were without paralel for making me feel like I was playing a heroic character. WoW was so wonderful in its elegant simplicity of style. It was easy to start and get ahold of and even easy to master as you progressed, loads of content and loads of players made experiencing everything easy, however it did make immersion all but impossible. LoTRo balanced the two and made me feel both heroic but also guided, but I never felt like I had the freedom I really wanted.
Anyhow, yes I'd suggest this game to other gamers like myself who like a more free to do as they please world but with harder to gain rewards. I most absolutely would not suggest this game to gamers who enjoy pitting themselves against other players or for people who don't want to have to work as hard for the rewards they want.
I'd like to note that I do say work hard for rewards and I don't mean it as a good thing or a bad thing, it just is what it is. Some people like it and others don't. It doesn't mean some games are easy mode and others are real challenges, it just means the game requires you to put forth X amount of effort, and we all know we all have varying ceilings of effort that we're willing to put up with before we just have no fun. SOme of us need it high, others somewhere in the middle, others a bit lower..etc etc.
I really cant tell. I tried to get into closed beta... failed, I tried to be in open beta, failed ....
Seems they got problem managing the few people in open beta and they closed subscriptions because of it. I really dont want to see the start of the game. Ill wait at least 5-6 months before thinking of playing FF14. I didnt like FF11 at all because of the controls but I deciced to give a chance to 14, but I wont be suicidal to the point of getting a pre-order.
actually there isn't few in open beta everytime i log on the 17 servers are all full only had 10 when open beta started.
guess i should add that I placed my pre order after playing the open beta i'm having a blast. Grouping up doing 15 man levequest at level 2 is fun. But again like many others have said to those who like games like wow, lotro and aoc i wouldn't because it is a different game play. Most things are very time consuming. Which is somethign i like in my games i love the putting in a lot of time for something makes the reward feel more special to me.
I really cant tell. I tried to get into closed beta... failed, I tried to be in open beta, failed ....
Seems they got problem managing the few people in open beta and they closed subscriptions because of it. I really dont want to see the start of the game. Ill wait at least 5-6 months before thinking of playing FF14. I didnt like FF11 at all because of the controls but I deciced to give a chance to 14, but I wont be suicidal to the point of getting a pre-order.
actually there isn't few in open beta everytime i log on the 17 servers are all full only had 10 when open beta started.
..and I don't know whether servers are MEANT to be completely international at this point, but more people on Figaro speak japanese or spanish than english from what I can tell.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
the only effort i had to do in OB was to walk around corners because i couldn't jump(more like step down) a 10cm cliff or wait so much time to do anything(all crafting/gathering is super slow) Combat takes ages and no challange at all since all you do is press one button and of course to accept one quest you must first get to the city and then to camp wtf is that ?? (more slow walking) Even menus are slow and selecting is painful. Like loot button(waste of time) you have to confirm 100x to do anything. So in my opinion this is not effort it's more like patience. So if you don't have a lot of patience you can't play right now.
One thing i like is that you can teleleport to camp once you finish quest. Was suprised since making you walk back was more in the game context to waste your time. I forgot to add teleports another feature i like but it's limited.
I'm no hater i love FFXI but i'm really disappointed how FFXIV turned out. I hope they fix it a bit after release so i can join.
the only effort i had to do in OB was to walk around corners because i couldn't jump(more like step down) a 10cm cliff or wait so much time to do anything(all crafting/gathering is super slow) Combat takes ages and no challange at all since all you do is press one button and of course to accept one quest you must first get to the city and then to camp wtf is that ?? (more slow walking) Even menus are slow and selecting is painful. Like loot button(waste of time) you have to confirm 100x to do anything. So in my opinion this is not effort it's more like patience. So if you don't have a lot of patience you can't play right now.
One thing i like is that you can teleleport to camp once you finish quest. Was suprised since making you walk back was more in the game context to waste your time. I forgot to add teleports another feature i like but it's limited.
I'm no hater i love FFXI but i'm really disappointed how FFXIV turned out. I hope they fix it a bit after release so i can join.
have you tried crafting yourself a weapon. Having to have multiple crafts and gathering jobs to get the materials than figure out the recipies as there is no recipies handed to you in game. It took a lot of effort to make my bronze sword i have. It took me the last two days play time to figure out how to craft one.
I've seen subjects like this pop up a good bit lately, this isn't directed at the OP, just the topic in general.
People that let others decide things for them on something that is completely subjective are just.... tools >_>;
To you, your opinion is better than everyones when it comes to this so just listen to yourself.
Try the game out for yourself, if you aren't sure then wait a bit after launch and check up on it again.
lol I definitely wouldn't listen to the opinions of a hardcore gamer / forum goers (this goes for either side), they get to involved with crap(games) that really don't mean anything in life. Irrational...
As it stands the only Developers today whose products can be pre-ordered without much risk are Valve, Bioware and, yes, Blizzard. Everyone else is pretty much a gamble. But then again: That's part of the fun.
EDIT: Just downloaded DLC for Dragon Age and it's a fricking kick in the nuts, so scratch Bioware from the list.
I love how the game is looking good to me from a visual standpoint. Now the game play on the other had sems off. Now I havent played any of the final fantasy titles seriously ever. So with that being said I dint know if this is how FF works or not but I dont like the combat system too much. So at this particular moment in time I cant say I would or wouldnt suggest a purchase of the game but rather say that I am the wrong person to be asking. I hope the game is a success and who knows at some point i may try it .
the only effort i had to do in OB was to walk around corners because i couldn't jump(more like step down) a 10cm cliff or wait so much time to do anything(all crafting/gathering is super slow) Combat takes ages and no challange at all since all you do is press one button and of course to accept one quest you must first get to the city and then to camp wtf is that ?? (more slow walking) Even menus are slow and selecting is painful. Like loot button(waste of time) you have to confirm 100x to do anything. So in my opinion this is not effort it's more like patience. So if you don't have a lot of patience you can't play right now.
One thing i like is that you can teleleport to camp once you finish quest. Was suprised since making you walk back was more in the game context to waste your time. I forgot to add teleports another feature i like but it's limited.
I'm no hater i love FFXI but i'm really disappointed how FFXIV turned out. I hope they fix it a bit after release so i can join.
have you tried crafting yourself a weapon. Having to have multiple crafts and gathering jobs to get the materials than figure out the recipies as there is no recipies handed to you in game. It took a lot of effort to make my bronze sword i have. It took me the last two days play time to figure out how to craft one.
thats not effort thats patience to try and bruteforce every damn thing with super slow UI (time sink), you don't need brain to do that you don't need any skill you just have to waste so much time till you get it right
if that is effort and if you like this kind of games i can make you one that won't have any guide you will be put on a planet with nothing on and deal with it
spoiler: If you walk around the planet 1 billion times you get a pickaxe and a mining node appears, once you finish mining(which will take 1-2 years depends how fast you click) a smitting hammer and envil will appear and so on
According to you my game will take massive effort to play(and be great game) but it's not true it just simply a time waster and no brainer since a monkey has way better chance to finish it that a human does.
Yes i did craft but it takes so much time to do it that someone who has a life can't afford to. It's the slowness of the game that bothers me. 99% of time you are doing nothing but waiting or walking
It really depends on you. It different from most MMO's you're probably use to. As long as you're having fun and think this game has potential, than go ahead and buy it, if you feel you may regret it, than don't second guess yourself. I'm still undecided like most people here.
Canceled my preorder about a month ago. SE is still locked into 1999 with their thinking and development style and has no idea what a modern MMO should include especially for the western market. This game is a very good example of how NOT to make an MMO. Save your money.
I had intended to Pre-order the CE to get the game with the authenticator but I wanted to wait for beta feedback. Really like the graphics I have seen.
Now I intend to wait until the game has been out for awhile to even buy it. Feedback from endgame players will affect my buying decision alot.
Actually I have suspisions that this is another game that is going to end up going F2P with a cash shop. Really want to avoid playing that type of game.
For the most part all my issues with FFXIV resolve around lag and sluggish UI. If they fix those two things by launch it will be a good game worth buying in my eyes. I don’t see any reason they can’t fix those issues by launch so while I might not encourage someone to pre-order the game I wouldn’t go so far as to tell them not to if they were interested in doing it already.
The new user experience could be better for sure, I am disappointed that there is no voice acting for cut scenes (who knows maybe that will be added as translations are often the last thing to go into a game), and while the combat isn’t revolutionary the skill system is unique and at higher levels should offer some interesting custom classes options. All and all FFXIV looks like it will be a good solid MMO assuming they fix the lag and sluggish UI.
Personally, unless you were a huge FFXI fan I couldn't see preordering. I'm sure this game will be successful and satisfy the players of FFXI, but I don't see it drawing in a huge new player base. This game isn't made for my taste for reasons I've explained in many other posts and I don't expect them to change it to suit me or other players with my interests in mind.
For the most part all my issues with FFXIV resolve around lag and sluggish UI. If they fix those two things by launch it will be a good game worth buying in my eyes. I don’t see any reason they can’t fix those issues by launch so while I might not encourage someone to pre-order the game I wouldn’t go so far as to tell them not to if they were interested in doing it already.
The new user experience could be better for sure, I am disappointed that there is no voice acting for cut scenes (who knows maybe that will be added as translations are often the last thing to go into a game), and while the combat isn’t revolutionary the skill system is unique and at higher levels should offer some interesting custom classes options. All and all FFXIV looks like it will be a good solid MMO assuming they fix the lag and sluggish UI.
They're not going to change those 2 fundamentals for launch. Maybe lag and performance although they'll probably wait until after launch.. much to do less than 2 weeks. UI... that'll stay a while. We know this... looking at previous MMO's with shitty clunky UI's that have never changed - we unfortunately know this.
The UI is awful, not sure who designed it but it's one of the ugliest i've seen in a long time. In this day in age for MMORPGs it's an epic fail by itself. A UI has to be clean cut, easy to glance at and have everything you need, i'm veen getting mouse lag... MOUSE lag on the damn UI. I mean seriously?
First time my laser logitech mouse actually felt... less than perfect.. poor little thing. Performance wise, it's not good... lag is an issue with the performance. I'm going to say it WARs engine and AoC were more stable than this at launch. I said it. sorry.
Some people have reported no problems, i envy them a little. I dunno the whole thing feels rushed, and we know why! with other MMO's coming out (DCUO etc), and then yeah Cata... i see that in November, so yeah FFXIV feels rushed out the door.
The combat is what you get, i mean when you beat those 3 jellyfish in the tutorial, you go "oh right" but if you look at the stats and the menu parts (bottom right clicky thing), you can see where it's all going towards and the future of the skills and what may occur at higher levels (especially if you do some exploring).
It's got potential, but so far i haven't rushed to preorder it... it needs work, and i've told them in beta test and via square it needs work. I mean it's a lot better than AoC with hair changing via instance changing (Which still occurs with the xoti on AoC).
Who knows, if you enjoyed FF11 you'll love this... but new players aren't going to be flocking... unknown what will happen to FF11 or whether that'll will end up with more subscribers (xbox 360) before the PS3 kicks in, in March. At the moment i don't think the games performance issues could be transferred to the PS3 in it's current state. i'm sorry i really don't. I think the frame rates would be pathetic, the tearing unimaginable and the game unplayable at the moment on the PS3.
Time will tell, that's the point of MMO's though.... but i think it'll be a niche market. personally and it'll get the subscribers it needs to survive. But it's not going to make new ground in the market... AoC runs better on my computer than this.. i mean that should say it all.
Blizzard [cata], Mythic Bioware [star wars, new skaven WAR], Funcom [AoC and secret world], Turbine... they all have nothing to fear.
Even Niche games - Star Trek Online, Fallen Earth [really good if you get into it], CoH/Villians/R, Aion, Everquest 2..... have nothing to fear.
Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, DCUO, Planes of Telara, Star Wars; the old republic, etc... have nothing to fear.
there are better MMO's out there than this... i just don't see the impact it's going to make in its current look and playability in the MMORPG genre.
"nothing actually matters, we're just slightly evolved monkeys clinging to a dying piece of rock hurtling through space waiting for our eventual death." - Frankie Boyle, Mock The Week
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No offense taken and I didn't miss his point. I may have been a little overly sensitive though. There have been a lot of emotions about this game the last few days and a couple of things triggered some of that again. To me, the last paragraph implied that everyone should feel there were serious problems with the game and that therefore people who were defending weren't being honest about it. With all due respect, that is not universally accepted to be true and assuming it is would be very dismissive of alternate views.
I have had no problems with the UI except that it is different from other MMOs and takes getting used to. Most people that I have talked to about the game outside of this forum found it fairly easy to learn once they downloaded the keyboard schematic. I've found the patcher to be very quick never taking more than a few minutes except for two times it hung at 94% and then I canceled after ten minutes and restarted and it completed a couple minutes later. I also disagree about the lack of polish and suspect we would disagree about specific systems in the game "currently working/not working properly". Many complaints I've heard before seem to me that people are assuming that if a system isn't working they way they want it to it isn't working 'properly'. Having personally not experienced any serious problems and with patches based on the closed beta coming every single day so far I see absolutely no legitimate reason for the launch to be delayed.
If you state that serious issues exist people who disagree may counter with their disagreements. But in this case I may have mistakenly believed the OP was attacking anyone who disagreed or defended the game and if so I apologize.
Before I awnser your question I would like to point out the game is in MUCH better shape than Vanguard and AoC at the time of launch. MUCH MUCH better shape. One that was just as bad as thoes two would be WAR. FFXIV is somewhere between LOTRO and WoW at launch. Yes the download client and mouse/ui problems suck but at least the game is still PLAYABLE which wasnt the case for VG/AoC. Oh and before you call me just another FFXIV fanboy I have no intention of buying the game and I'm one of the people with an alpha client still installed on my comp (yea Im lazy and havent gotten rid of it yet). If you where indeed in the beta's for VG or AoC there is no way you would compare FFXIV to them.
Now to awnser your question yes I would and no I wouldnt. IF the person asking me was a fan of FF games and an MMO vet, a real mmo vet that grew up with the likes of EQ, AC, FFXI not just WoW then yes I would reccomend it to them. I would warn them about the controlls and the laggy/crappy UI ect. but the game itself seems decent enough.
However if a person asked me if they should get it that grew up in the WoW era or is new to MMO's then no way in hell would I reccomend it. Things arent handed to you even from the start. Without a fairly decent knowledge of older MMO's where you had to find stuff for yourself and figure things out a person will hate this MMO.
As to why I wont be getting it, its verry simple. I find it extreemly anoying tabbing targets in combat and having to tab through other players as well. This is a problem I have complained about for a long time. If I could zoom out more and target with my mouse alittle easier I would overlook it but trust me when I say its extreemly frustrating as it stands when things arent as easy later in the game as they are in OB.
As far as the downloader concerns I'm baffled by them. I didnt have nearly these issues till OB. The mouse lag has always been there I can only assume they will fix it soon since it wasnt an issue in FFXI that I remember.
While I disagree with you on the UI/controlls/patcher (glad you arent having a problem with it, I never did till OB) you reminded me something that is 100% true. Square was CONSTANTLY patching in CB. They do NOT do what alot of other companies do and wait till they have a huge patch to try and fix something. They, unlike most, do it as they go which makes it MUCH easier for them to fix things since they dont have a massive amount of data to go through everytime they change something to try and fix a problem.
hell yea order it
sly is tricking you! I mean look at the name.. and the avatar pic @_@
After joining the Closed Beta, I cancelled my pre-order and don't really feel like I'm missing anything. If I wanted to play a console game on PC, I already have plenty of options that don't require a monthly fee. Square Enix seems to want to make a game different just to be different, not because it's fun.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II
"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
LOL, and you think Square will listen to us? They certainly didn't for Final Fantasy XI, and they definitely won't now. They can go to hell for all i care. We testers have been ignored, ignored and ignored. The game is so pathetically cheap you would have to be completely delusional to see otherwise.
The problem with forum questions and posts of this nature is that it's all entirely opinion based. Which I suppose in and of itself isn't exactly bad, it's that the moment one opinion clashes with another it creates nothing but a bile filled thread full of spittle and hatred towards all who do not share a like minded point of view.
To firstly answer the question, yes I would recomend a preorder, as a matter of fact I have, but only to my friends whom I know would enjoy this style of game. I have a few buddies who I like to call instant gratification gamers, they're style is WoW, LoTRo and games of that sort. The kind that have clear cut starts and finishes to quests, a level that dictates capabilities and a fairly linear world.
Note I do NOT argue against these things, I've enjoyed my time in both of those games and many more and take each and every game I play for precisely what it is. I don't compare them to one another nor do I expect them to tap into my dreams and somehow be the game of my deepest needs and wants, they're a game and they're made a certain way, you like it or you don't.
For this game, it's going to be niche in my opinion, but it'll be a large cut of the niche market. The MMO landscape has needed another game like this for quite some time for those gamers that want to do on their own and work a little harder for what they get. Games such as WoW, AoC etc etc don't provide that opportunity.
I'll admit my favorite games in the past have been EVE and SWG (before it was manhandled by the NGE). Both games that said; "here's our game, this is our world, go do something in it." VERY few moments in both of those games did I ever feel like the game itself was telling me to go to point A to get Item B and return it to location C. Instead I felt...well at the begining insanely lost and confused (A feeling I don't hate, because it sets me to the task of figuring it out). Once I got used to the way the game works I felt like the world was at my fingertips, I had only to head out and take it at my pace and in my way.
Those are feelings I never got with LoTRo, WoW, AoC. I enjoyed them, AoC's first 20 levels were without paralel for making me feel like I was playing a heroic character. WoW was so wonderful in its elegant simplicity of style. It was easy to start and get ahold of and even easy to master as you progressed, loads of content and loads of players made experiencing everything easy, however it did make immersion all but impossible. LoTRo balanced the two and made me feel both heroic but also guided, but I never felt like I had the freedom I really wanted.
Anyhow, yes I'd suggest this game to other gamers like myself who like a more free to do as they please world but with harder to gain rewards. I most absolutely would not suggest this game to gamers who enjoy pitting themselves against other players or for people who don't want to have to work as hard for the rewards they want.
I'd like to note that I do say work hard for rewards and I don't mean it as a good thing or a bad thing, it just is what it is. Some people like it and others don't. It doesn't mean some games are easy mode and others are real challenges, it just means the game requires you to put forth X amount of effort, and we all know we all have varying ceilings of effort that we're willing to put up with before we just have no fun. SOme of us need it high, others somewhere in the middle, others a bit lower..etc etc.
actually there isn't few in open beta everytime i log on the 17 servers are all full only had 10 when open beta started.
guess i should add that I placed my pre order after playing the open beta i'm having a blast. Grouping up doing 15 man levequest at level 2 is fun. But again like many others have said to those who like games like wow, lotro and aoc i wouldn't because it is a different game play. Most things are very time consuming. Which is somethign i like in my games i love the putting in a lot of time for something makes the reward feel more special to me.
..and I don't know whether servers are MEANT to be completely international at this point, but more people on Figaro speak japanese or spanish than english from what I can tell.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
funny how people talk about effort
the only effort i had to do in OB was to walk around corners because i couldn't jump(more like step down) a 10cm cliff or wait so much time to do anything(all crafting/gathering is super slow) Combat takes ages and no challange at all since all you do is press one button and of course to accept one quest you must first get to the city and then to camp wtf is that ?? (more slow walking) Even menus are slow and selecting is painful. Like loot button(waste of time) you have to confirm 100x to do anything. So in my opinion this is not effort it's more like patience. So if you don't have a lot of patience you can't play right now.
One thing i like is that you can teleleport to camp once you finish quest. Was suprised since making you walk back was more in the game context to waste your time. I forgot to add teleports another feature i like but it's limited.
I'm no hater i love FFXI but i'm really disappointed how FFXIV turned out. I hope they fix it a bit after release so i can join.
have you tried crafting yourself a weapon. Having to have multiple crafts and gathering jobs to get the materials than figure out the recipies as there is no recipies handed to you in game. It took a lot of effort to make my bronze sword i have. It took me the last two days play time to figure out how to craft one.
I've seen subjects like this pop up a good bit lately, this isn't directed at the OP, just the topic in general.
People that let others decide things for them on something that is completely subjective are just.... tools >_>;
To you, your opinion is better than everyones when it comes to this so just listen to yourself.
Try the game out for yourself, if you aren't sure then wait a bit after launch and check up on it again.
lol I definitely wouldn't listen to the opinions of a hardcore gamer / forum goers (this goes for either side), they get to involved with crap(games) that really don't mean anything in life. Irrational...
As it stands the only Developers today whose products can be pre-ordered without much risk are Valve, Bioware and, yes, Blizzard. Everyone else is pretty much a gamble. But then again: That's part of the fun.
EDIT: Just downloaded DLC for Dragon Age and it's a fricking kick in the nuts, so scratch Bioware from the list.
I love how the game is looking good to me from a visual standpoint. Now the game play on the other had sems off. Now I havent played any of the final fantasy titles seriously ever. So with that being said I dint know if this is how FF works or not but I dont like the combat system too much. So at this particular moment in time I cant say I would or wouldnt suggest a purchase of the game but rather say that I am the wrong person to be asking. I hope the game is a success and who knows at some point i may try it .
thats not effort thats patience to try and bruteforce every damn thing with super slow UI (time sink), you don't need brain to do that you don't need any skill you just have to waste so much time till you get it right
if that is effort and if you like this kind of games i can make you one that won't have any guide you will be put on a planet with nothing on and deal with it
spoiler: If you walk around the planet 1 billion times you get a pickaxe and a mining node appears, once you finish mining(which will take 1-2 years depends how fast you click) a smitting hammer and envil will appear and so on
According to you my game will take massive effort to play(and be great game) but it's not true it just simply a time waster and no brainer since a monkey has way better chance to finish it that a human does.
Yes i did craft but it takes so much time to do it that someone who has a life can't afford to. It's the slowness of the game that bothers me. 99% of time you are doing nothing but waiting or walking
Not really in good faith. Still you can always return it. (not difficult in the EU at least).
Game is unfinished and has bad design choices, no no I wouldnt have this game.
Give it a year until they actually get it to a release standard and have caved in to common sense and got rid of these forced restrictions.
You are betting against the odds if you preorder.
It really depends on you. It different from most MMO's you're probably use to. As long as you're having fun and think this game has potential, than go ahead and buy it, if you feel you may regret it, than don't second guess yourself. I'm still undecided like most people here.
Canceled my preorder about a month ago. SE is still locked into 1999 with their thinking and development style and has no idea what a modern MMO should include especially for the western market. This game is a very good example of how NOT to make an MMO. Save your money.
I had intended to Pre-order the CE to get the game with the authenticator but I wanted to wait for beta feedback. Really like the graphics I have seen.
Now I intend to wait until the game has been out for awhile to even buy it. Feedback from endgame players will affect my buying decision alot.
Actually I have suspisions that this is another game that is going to end up going F2P with a cash shop. Really want to avoid playing that type of game.
For the most part all my issues with FFXIV resolve around lag and sluggish UI. If they fix those two things by launch it will be a good game worth buying in my eyes. I don’t see any reason they can’t fix those issues by launch so while I might not encourage someone to pre-order the game I wouldn’t go so far as to tell them not to if they were interested in doing it already.
The new user experience could be better for sure, I am disappointed that there is no voice acting for cut scenes (who knows maybe that will be added as translations are often the last thing to go into a game), and while the combat isn’t revolutionary the skill system is unique and at higher levels should offer some interesting custom classes options. All and all FFXIV looks like it will be a good solid MMO assuming they fix the lag and sluggish UI.
Personally, unless you were a huge FFXI fan I couldn't see preordering. I'm sure this game will be successful and satisfy the players of FFXI, but I don't see it drawing in a huge new player base. This game isn't made for my taste for reasons I've explained in many other posts and I don't expect them to change it to suit me or other players with my interests in mind.
Steam: Neph
They're not going to change those 2 fundamentals for launch. Maybe lag and performance although they'll probably wait until after launch.. much to do less than 2 weeks. UI... that'll stay a while. We know this... looking at previous MMO's with shitty clunky UI's that have never changed - we unfortunately know this.
The UI is awful, not sure who designed it but it's one of the ugliest i've seen in a long time. In this day in age for MMORPGs it's an epic fail by itself. A UI has to be clean cut, easy to glance at and have everything you need, i'm veen getting mouse lag... MOUSE lag on the damn UI. I mean seriously?
First time my laser logitech mouse actually felt... less than perfect.. poor little thing. Performance wise, it's not good... lag is an issue with the performance. I'm going to say it WARs engine and AoC were more stable than this at launch. I said it. sorry.
Some people have reported no problems, i envy them a little. I dunno the whole thing feels rushed, and we know why! with other MMO's coming out (DCUO etc), and then yeah Cata... i see that in November, so yeah FFXIV feels rushed out the door.
The combat is what you get, i mean when you beat those 3 jellyfish in the tutorial, you go "oh right" but if you look at the stats and the menu parts (bottom right clicky thing), you can see where it's all going towards and the future of the skills and what may occur at higher levels (especially if you do some exploring).
It's got potential, but so far i haven't rushed to preorder it... it needs work, and i've told them in beta test and via square it needs work. I mean it's a lot better than AoC with hair changing via instance changing (Which still occurs with the xoti on AoC).
Who knows, if you enjoyed FF11 you'll love this... but new players aren't going to be flocking... unknown what will happen to FF11 or whether that'll will end up with more subscribers (xbox 360) before the PS3 kicks in, in March. At the moment i don't think the games performance issues could be transferred to the PS3 in it's current state. i'm sorry i really don't. I think the frame rates would be pathetic, the tearing unimaginable and the game unplayable at the moment on the PS3.
Time will tell, that's the point of MMO's though.... but i think it'll be a niche market. personally and it'll get the subscribers it needs to survive. But it's not going to make new ground in the market... AoC runs better on my computer than this.. i mean that should say it all.
Blizzard [cata], Mythic Bioware [star wars, new skaven WAR], Funcom [AoC and secret world], Turbine... they all have nothing to fear.
Even Niche games - Star Trek Online, Fallen Earth [really good if you get into it], CoH/Villians/R, Aion, Everquest 2..... have nothing to fear.
Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, DCUO, Planes of Telara, Star Wars; the old republic, etc... have nothing to fear.
there are better MMO's out there than this... i just don't see the impact it's going to make in its current look and playability in the MMORPG genre.
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