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avid FFXI gamer trys FFXIV beta
ziggydawitch
Member Posts: 69
I played ffxi for years and loved it. Quitting that game was sorta hard to do. Since I left I tried tons of mmo's.
I judged every game I played against the ffxi standard and none of em stood up. Games like Conan, Warhammer, and
Aion never got past the 30 day free trial. The free to play games just don't seem to do it either. Wow sorta was ok, but no.
When SE announced FFXIV I did the happy dance and started to count the days till launch.
So last week I finally got to play the beta...yay....and what a huge let down. I'm soooo bummed. I can't believe
they took such a good mmo and did that to it. The new game is an epic fail, and with that fail came a huge
disappointment for me *sob*
It's not like I haven't tried to love the game....really, I tried. I'll try again today too, but its so hard to love a game thats
so messed up. It's now a guest based game, a quest based game with a bad quest log, no instructions, a terrible map,
and a horrible fighting system. I mean you steer the camera with I,J,K,L...who does that?
It's now a "menu" game....so to do something as simple as look at your quest log you have to click on 3 different menus
then hit escape like 3 times to get back to the game....pfft.
So yeah...I called Gamestop and cancelled my pre-order....and here I was thinkin my mmo search was over. I thought
I would be happily playing ffxiv for years....but no 
My mmo hunt isn't over yet. Looks like I'll be putting all my mmo hopes into the Guildwars 2 basket.
Which is scary...cuz the GW people also made Aion...and that game was a huge fail IMO...hope they learned something
from that and make GW2 a huge success *fingers crossed*
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
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Ah where to start. I will just hold off and say NCSoft only published Guild Wars and Aion. Guild Wars was developed by the American devs Arena Net, and Aion was developed I think in house by NCSoft, a Korean developer. Publishers fund the projects not develop them.. although some do have more control than others.
I played FFXI for 5+ years and I love FFXIV along with most of my FFXI crew. Did you give it a fair shot? Doesn't bother me at all if you don't like it just curious. Good luck finding your game. Also uhh.. just curious but did you really play FFXI? There are just some disparities in your post with FFXI.
Plaync made AION, Arenanet made GW and GW2 with free creative reign over it with out plaync interference, the only thing plaync gets out of it is money cause they bought ANET but they maintain autonomy.
You're lying about being a long time FFXI player. FFXI and FFXIV controls are identical. The Menu system is very similar. Something really doesn't add up with your post.
I'll also add try not to read too much into people's opinions on here.
They can end up ruining a game for you - it's hard to not notice other's complaints about a game while playing it yourself.
Lot of people are looking into Guild Wars 2 as their coup de grace for MMOs. As soon as it comes out, my advice? Stop reading reviews on it. Ignore comments about it. Just play it for what it is, and enjoy yourself.
My thoughts exactly... If anything, FFXI interface was even more complex and forced you to go over even more dropdown menus. Hell, it took me quite a bit to understand how to give quest items to npcs in FFXI... The gui is much better now, SE knows that we still don't like it and they seem to be trying to improve it with every little beta patch.
"Only in quiet waters do things mirror themselves undistorted.
Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
Hans Margolius
I really don't get whats so hard with the UI. You get near something, you interact with it... oh well.
There's lots of menu to go through, but thats not new to FF. The UI lag makes this somewhat of an annoyance right now I get that... but thats not the final product.
With the lag fixed & a few more tweaks, I really don't see whats the big deal here.
Can't be the game, must be the player.
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I also found the controls to be a bit odd... mainly do to the terrible software mouse in game, laggy as hell... but, using a controller makes the game much more playable and the questing is actually pretty good. There are of course things I dislike as well, like the chatting system... terrible, just like in 11... Honestly, I don't think its close to polished enough to be released in like 13 days... but as we all know, our opinions means next to nothing to these MMO giants...
If yer gonna claim to be a long-time avid FFXI player, at least attempt to sound credible.
You likely never played FFXI. If you found XIV's interface confusing and difficult to use, you would've shot yourself over FFXI's interface. I don't even believe you've played FFXIV.
If you had, you'd know this is NOT A quest-based game, just as XI was not. The primary avenue for leveling characters is still by exploration and killing critters whilst exploring, or by crafting and harvesting.
Guildleves do not offer significant XP upon completion. Leves award gil primarily, and occasionally some items. There is one starter quest that is put in place to familiarize you with the UI and controls, and to give you a fair amount of gil to get you started on your journey. There will be more quests...though don't expect little yellow exclamation points over NPC heads.
Mkay... I'm done feeding the troll.
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.
Tutorial - Both games have no tutorials but xiv at least has a manual and a quest log that points you were you need to go.
So ff xiv advanced on it (not much but they did)
Quests - Didn't ffxi implemented the watchtower quests to help lvling for people? so it's not like only xiv has turned into a quest game which even people that don't like the game would agree.
Combat - FFXI's combat is all focused on opening a menu after menu and all skills use tp to use so auto attack till 100% tp then use skill while in xiv you have a skill bar were to place skills and you have skills that use stamina AND tp.
It's an improvement on the older one which I and many others didn't find bad at all.
Camera - Like in xi you can change the buttons although limited but you can change it from J,K,L,I to something else, also you could always change camera view with mouse.
MAP - What's bad in the map? it's because there's nothing written to show you if that thing over there is a town or not?
This is from someone who played ffxi for 2 months only (Started late couldn't find many groups sadly) and it seems I know more on that game then you who played it for years and no I didn't read on the game after I stopped I simply moved on.
No...I played ffxi for a long time. I played on Bismarch. I had a 75 whm, a 75 blm, a 61 bard, and got most of the jobs
to the point where I sorta knew how they worked....hell, I even leveled a few mules. I had mules camped an each AH
to buy all the spider webs I could find...hehe....yeah, I played ffxi. Till the sun came up lotta times.
My clothcrafting was almost capped when I quit. I had joined a few endgame LS's and frankly got tired of the endgame
drama and endless camping of NM's that were required for LS membership. So I left and went to WoW for a like a year.
Then started to drift from game to game.
The UI isn't the same !!!
I used to drive me char with the number pad and move the camera with the arrows...so one handed driving. I never touched
my mouse, which was one of the things I loved about the game. I loved the UI on ffxi, so don't tell me they're the same as
ffxi. I sat for hours healing and debuffing. I did the rank missions over and over for guildies. I farmed spiders in the desert
for webs, to level cloth, for weeks on end. So yeah...I played I pushed keys and wrote macros bunches. I KNOW the ffxi
keyboard setup. I can still remember the order of my macros for my healer. I remember having to carry 12 instruments
when I played my bard...and all the macros that went along with that job.
I played ffxi...and I played it well ^^
I did the happy dance when I heard about ffxiv...literally.
I AM trying so hard to like ffxiv...I got a email from my old LS and they're all playing too...and yes, not all of em feel the way I
do. I soooo want to play again.
Please don't misunderstand...I'm just disappointed at what SE did to the game I had so much fun playing.
It's like all the games I've played...none of em are perfect for sure...real life is far from perfect too.
But ffxi was just so right for me...and I miss it.
I'm just venting ^^
I will try and try to fall in love with ffxiv until the beta ends...but it's just doesn't feel like home to me.
I'm so sad
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
Exactly...its a game where you do quests to level...and a game thats gonna be like that maybe should had lil arrows and
a guest log that has a hot key.
I don't wanna play a quest game. I wanna party for hours on end with friends. I wanna camp in one spot. I don't wanna
run around, like in WoW with a moving party. I don't wanna group up for 40 mins to get an instance done then disband.
If I wanted to quest I could play any of the mmo's that are out there.
FFXI was unique....and I wanted FFXIV to be unique too.
If they were a rock band I call it a sell out.
Not sure what you call it when a game company does it.
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
You completly missed my point, and maybe I wasn't specific enough. Quests will will not be the primarly avenue for leveling. If there are any other quests beyond the starter one, they will be to progress the story. The primary way to level in FFXIV is to explore, go to one area and kill a bunch of mobs then move on... or don't! Stay there for hours on end killing cactuar (or letting them kill you). Done exploring? Go craft stuff and level that way.
BTW, you can re-map your keys in XIV to be EXACTLY the same as FFXI.
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.
I'm sorry but you can't bind the camera controls to the arrow keys (which is the camera controls for ffxi)
really? tell me how to move my camera with the arrow keys?
so I can drive my char with one hand...the arrow keys are used to scroll the menu...the one main menu at that. Where's the hot keys that use alt and ctrl...you press either of those keys it just brings up your macro menu. I think the macro menu should be on the UI and the alt/ctrl keys should be used for hotkeys...LIKE IN FFXI !!!
I remember stepping outside of WIndy and there were plenty of mandys to kill...then on to sheep. I see a lack of mobs for a low level player to kill. So yeah...its a quest game with bad questing features. You'd think they'd at least put a teleport crystal next to the quest givers counter. I don't mind running around in a game...but c'mon.
I understand you're a fanboy and ffxiv is perfect in your eyes....but there's some of us that actually loved ffxi and just wanted a sequel, not a whole new format. I'm glad you enjoy the game. That way it'll be there if and when i decide to play. So overlook the fact that the game has changed and changed just for the sake of changing...not to be better. I'll still use ffxi as my game standard to judge games by and ffxiv gets a barely passing grade using that as a guage.
I'm off to play the beta...I'm on the world that starts with an M...Mel...something. My name is Ziggy Angel. Come join me and show me where to noob mobs are, and how to move my camera, like ffxi, using the arrow keys.
see ya there ^^
~Ziggy~
I think YOU'RE the one who never played ffxi...what server were you on...tell me about your endgame...what craft did you choose? hmmm?
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
I agree, like the one about FFXI not being a menu system....And i bet almost anything that he played FFXI at a american launch, which was launched with an expansion and was already 1 year past its original Japanese launch, had all of its bugs already worked out and a years worth of content added. Honestly no FFXI player can comment about how great FFXI compares to FFXIV at launch unless they played the Japanese version at launch.
yeah...I'm sure the Japanese had to move the camera with the I,J,K,L keys at the beginning. I'm sure there were no mobs outside the gate....and I'm sure they didn't have an AH...they added all those things just for the PS2 launch...
yeah...that's it.
*slaps forehead* what was I thinkin
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
ArenaNet made Guild Wars and is making Guild Wars 2.
NcSoft made Aion.
ArenaNet have nothing to do with Aion,the worst game i,ve ever played. ArenaNet would not make a game with such low qality and no thought in it at all.
Please do not mention this again....
Ok, i've read all of your posts OP, and yes of course you're going to be disappointed if you were looking for an exact copy of FFXI. But it isn't. Its a different game with similarities like races, its menu system, and story line arc. Other than that, the game is different, which it was meant to be. If they wanted to make FFXI-2 then they would have made and named their next game FFXI-2. Hell they made FFX-2, they obviously aren't apposed to carrying on a titles story. But they didn't. Get over it. If its not for you, and you're looking for an FFXI clone, then i believe you're going to be looking for a long time. Gamers seem to have ADHD now a days and needs a game that they can mash buttons over and over in with exclamation marks above everyones heads telling them where to go at all times.
The majority of the MMO market is brain dead, and completely forgot how to figure things out for themselves, or just have gotten so damn lazy they just don't want to. Either way, its dumbed down the market and us old school gamers who enjoyed the old school feel of mmo's are left in the dust....until now. FFXIV has me hooked because its that game i was looking for. Player driven economies through crafting and social networking through LS's and random pt's.
There weren't any mobs outside the gate at FFXI's launch either. There were so many players and the spawn rate was so low i had to take a group out and kill giant bee's near the 2nd tower (i started windhurst). I don't use I J K L, i use my mouse, which i have absolutely zero mouse lag with. You just can't seem to get past the fact that this is a different game. They are trying to make it as user friendly for a PC as they can without doing away with their menu system. If you don't like using a mouse, either use a game pad or wait for the ps3 version and get that. Or open your mind up and get used to using I J K L. Or don't play, im not trying to force you into playing FFXIV. Im just trying to remind you to open your mind to a new game. This isn't FFXI-2, its FFXIV.
updating the beta...so I'm back.
get used to using IJKL...hah...spoken like a true fanboy...c'mon, IJKL are NOT the way to go for camera angle...even you can see that...c'mon admit it *poke*
No...they're trying to make it PS3 friendly...they're the menu users. If you had read my other posts you'd have seen that I said the one thing I liked the most was that I didn't have to use my mouse...lag or not...I hate clicking. If they wanted to make the game PC friendly there wouldn't be all these menus...there'd be hotkeys
Sure I had my bf write most of my macros....sure I had a ton of r/l friends there to show me around ffxi...sure the game would be confusing for someone who didn't have friends to show em around...but ffxiv changed the UI...that has nothing to do with being a new game. They coulda kept at least that the same. I mean really no hotkey for your quest log of inventory? I have ppl now showing me around the game and such, thank gawd, but it's not the same feel.
Don't get me wrong...I wanna love this game....I do...and I'm giving it a chance...its just a huge letdown...not the gameplay the freakin UI and menus are it....just gimme my macro bar back and let us use ctrl/alt + hotkeys to make the game play go smoother...
maybe it'll be like the new yahoo mail, where there's a key that says "use classic yahoo"...perhaps they'll have a button to click in the ffxiv launch that says "use classic ffxi controls"
Then I'd be a happy camper
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
Considering how little time I've spent doing quests thanks to the 48 hour limit, I can't imagine how anyone can call this a quest based game. A few hours doing quests every 2 days isn't very much.
I've been playing MMOs since EQ in 99. I played Final Fantasy XI and enjoyed it. I've been playing the FFXIV beta quite a bit over the past few days and I have to say I get the concept and this could be a great game but until they give us a UI and controls that are more, for lack of a better term, "MMO based" I don't see playing it.
This is just my opinion and I understand that there are people out there who love it and will think I'm a nutjob but you can't seriously say that the controls are'nt clunky. The mouse pointer drags like a 1 legged turtle chasing a piece of lettuce in a circle.
The menu based access to everything is clunky due to the mouse pointer. Also clicking in empty space to continue a conversation is a bit off.
We should have a chase camera with the standard wasd controls to move around. Using mouse look and WS just isn't cutting it.
Anyway,s just my two cents on the game. Graphics are awesome and I'm sure I could really get into the game but probably wont buy it until they actually make it more playable. This is what Beta is for, I know, but wow. Just. Too clunky.
I totally agree... theres also a decent amount of interface lag, from clicking inventory to when it actually pops up your inventory... theres just plain to much wasted time in almost every action... like crafting for example... why do we have to wait for your character to kneel down and bust out the anvil, or whatever, to have the materials window pop up? I really do like the interface, especially compared to how ugly and outdated FF11's GUI was... even when it first launched it was ugly... but thats superficial, not a huge deal. If they could just improve the response time of the menu's, like the time between pressing a button and the next menu coming up, it would be sooo awesome. Also, i find myself having trouble targeting things sometimes... ill be right next to a party member and a critter... and it just selects the party member instead of the critter thats right next to him. Could be something im doing, if so then whatever, but man is it anoying. I just think the game does not cater well towards the general populace... while thats fine for me, since ive been playing mmo's for a long time... unfortunately i dont think this game will reach any new heights or standards in comparison to whats already out there... pretty graphics, new cutscenes and a new gui over-top alot of the same stuff that was in ff11 wont make this game a best seller at all. BUT, it is still fun to play and i think if they really buckle down and listen to the community, i think it will improve greatly.
Again for the control, the mouse has a horrible lag we all know it, this is a bug they will have to fix. I too like using my mouse to look around but FFXIV is design for PS3 and PC, this is not only a PC game. So to be fair they have to optimize the control for the controller not the mouse. If not the PS3 user will have an handicap. Why? simple imagine you get attack from behind so with the mouse you can turn around really fast, target the mob and kill it but the PS3 user cannot do it fast has you because he use a controller. He have to turn around with the joystick (we all know a mouse is faster) now he have to target it but he cant just put the arrow on the mob with is mouse he have to select it with the pad and now he kill it.
This is not to hard to understand that SE had made this design to be fair for everyone so that why the game is meant to be play with a controller or the keyboard not the mouse. But still they decide to let you use the mouse if you want sure it will not be faster than other game (im not talking about the lag issue) but still you can use it.