It's now a [q]uest based game, a quest based game [[you're actually limited to 8 regional guildleves (quests) every two RL days, which can probably be completed in well under 2 hours, then are more or less set free to wander between guildleves just like in FFXI]] with a bad [[how so?]] quest log, no instructions, a terrible [[how so?]] map, and a horrible [[how so?]] fighting system. I mean you steer the camera with I,J,K,L...who does that? [[Except mouse-looking works in FFXIV if that's your preference, and the IJKL looking is done in FFXI too.]] It's now a "menu" game [[Again, this refutes your claim you played FFXI, which is also a "menu" game.]]....so to do something as simple as look at your quest log you have to click on 3 different menus
~Ziggy~
the quest log is bad cuz there's no hotkey...you have to open a menu...scroll...select the catagory of quest...then scroll down to the quest your actually interested reading about and there's not much to read...you just follow the lil arrow on your minimap to the quest mobs...Guildwars style...lame. and btw...I never wandered around ffxi...if I wanted to play in a roaming, fighting, party I'd still be playing WoW
final fantasy is known for their poor maps...but at least they showed the entire zone in ffxi...and it was actually a zone, not just a series of trails. Which is what I've seen so far. I'm sure there's plenty of open zones in ffxiv, I just haven't seen em yet. They must be saving them for later.
the fighting system is poor cuz of the active/passive modes and prolly cuz I dont really understand it yet...but still, in all the other games I've played the fighting system was the main part of the game...that's the best they could do? really?
I never used my mouse in ffxi and I dont use one in the beta...thats was the best part of the UI...duh
and as far as attacking my ffxi career...well if that makes you feel better then go ahead...that doesnt change the facts about this new game. I never said I wanted ffxi-2...but I'd like to be able to drive my char with one hand.
I played from the ps2 release on PC until like feb 2007...I was a healer and a nuker...and was leveling bard when I quit. From what I'm reading its some of the posters that havent played ffxi, or dont really remember the UI there. You included. If you had played ffxi you'd know how easy it was to target npc's...you'd know how to drive a char...and you'd remember that you could put waypoints on the map...you'd remember that the zones were wide open, not the "trail" system they call a zone now....and you'd also remember the towns...which have sorta sprawled out in ffxiv...
So go play that poor excuse for a final fantasy sequel...but please don't try to tell me it's better then or even close to being as good as ffxi...go follow the lil gold arrow on the mini map...click thru the menu when you wanna teleport, have only one quest giver in town...and pertend everything is just fine....pfft...fanboys!!! *rolls eyes*
I hated Aion...but I hate to say, I think even that was better then the ffxiv beta so far*gasp*
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
final fantasy is known for their poor maps...but at least they showed the entire zone in ffxi...and it was actually a zone, not just a series of trails. Which is what I've seen so far.
I can tell you're in The Great Shroud. All the other maps are wide open, but that one is a series of trails. It's cool for a change of pace, but not so much for a first impression of the game.
Originally posted by ziggydawitch
the fighting system is poor cuz of the active/passive modes and prolly cuz I dont really understand it yet...but still, in all the other games I've played the fighting system was the main part of the game...that's the best they could do? really?
To its credit, it does get a lot more interesting once you've a few different job ranks under your belt and are free to mix and match abilities. That is actually pretty cool about the combat system. However, it does take a bit of getting used to. From what I'm reading here, it seems to me that you might want to play the game a little longer before publically decrying the combt as "terrible." I mean, a good first impression reflection, sure, but fair in the long run? Probably not.
Originally posted by ziggydawitch
I never used my mouse in ffxi and I dont use one in the beta...thats was the best part of the UI...duh
I find it confusing you're complaining about scrolling looking with IJKL then, since doesn't FFXI do the same thing?
Originally posted by ziggydawitch
and as far as attacking my ffxi career...well if that makes you feel better then go ahead...that doesnt change the facts about this new game. I never said I wanted ffxi-2...but I'd like to be able to drive my char with one hand.
I'm not attacking your FFXI career such as pointing out I'm surprised you're having difficulty with menus or keyboard mouselook considering these are pillars of FFXI. It's really inconsistant, I'm genuinely surprised you played the game that long and yet feel you never had to deal with that before.
Originally posted by ziggydawitch
So go play that poor excuse for a final fantasy sequel...but please don't try to tell me it's better then or even close to being as good as ffxi...go follow the lil gold arrow on the mini map...click thru the menu when you wanna teleport, have only one quest giver in town...and pertend everything is just fine....pfft...fanboys!!! *rolls eyes*
You see this thing you have wrote here? It's not a useful or constructive thing to say so much as pathetic sniveling: "oh, fine, be that way, go play this dumb game, follow your little arrows, you fanboy, I snub you! *turns away, cranks up his emo music on his iPod*" I had to cut most of your original post of this thread because it was full of this kind of crap. Just some friendly advice: the sooner you curb that bad habit, the sooner you'll man up.
I read all the OP posts and I'm not sure what to make of it. I also played ffxi for years and really liked the game. I managed to get 2 jobs to the cap and did some, but not all, of the endgame events.
I don't think I like the game either...but don't post about it...just don't play it, I won't either
Originally posted by ziggydawitch ...So yeah...I called Gamestop and cancelled my pre-order....and here I was thinkin my mmo search was over. I thought I would be happily playing ffxiv for years....but no My mmo hunt isn't over yet. Looks like I'll be putting all my mmo hopes into the Guildwars 2 basket... ~Ziggy~
Yeah they've messed up FFXIV. Its a huge let down. You are actually supposed to play FFXIV with the controller thats why controls seem so awkward to you. I've played it with controller but game is simply unplayable, it has nothing to do very little content and full of bugs. FFXIV ended up being a major fail no matter all the hype and pretty CGIs. I am shocked that Square Enix allowed FFXIV to be released in such a pathetic state. Less than 2 weeks left and game is like in Alpha stage. Its not even ready for Open Beta. Major let down. Simply awful mess up.
I don't think I like the game either...but don't post about it...just don't play it, I won't either
indeed...
they have the blinders firmly in place...the game is a letdown and most of the beta testers realize it but what can they do...its either play the menu scrolling game or don't...no worries...it'll join a huge list of other failed games...so unexpected from SE, but then again my char has been getting spammed with power level services and online game money, even in the beta...pfft. That was never tolerated in ffxi. Oh well...huh...I won't have to deal with the bots and gil sellers.
it's just too bad SE designed the menus for PS3 but released the PC version first...go figure
So the search for a decent mmo continues...don't worry...I wont post anymore...ffxiv is a fine game, g'luck and happy gaming
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
the quest log is bad cuz there's no hotkey...you have to open a menu...scroll...select the catagory of quest...then scroll down to the quest your actually interested reading about and there's not much to read...you just follow the lil arrow on your minimap to the quest mobs...Guildwars style...lame. and btw...I never wandered around ffxi...if I wanted to play in a roaming, fighting, party I'd still be playing WoW
Seriulsy now i dont know what to think because you dont seem to read what people say, the quest witht he arrow are only the guildleves and there are limited, you will not get your main exp gain with that, you can find a party and fight mob like in FXI.
final fantasy is known for their poor maps...but at least they showed the entire zone in ffxi...and it was actually a zone, not just a series of trails. Which is what I've seen so far. I'm sure there's plenty of open zones in ffxiv, I just haven't seen em yet. They must be saving them for later.
I didnt know FF series was know for their poor map, in fact i dont even know what your talking about here. For me the maps is similar in both games.
the fighting system is poor cuz of the active/passive modes and prolly cuz I dont really understand it yet...but still, in all the other games I've played the fighting system was the main part of the game...that's the best they could do? really?
So know you say the combat is poor because of the active/passive system but still you say you have play FFXI for years.... In FFXI you have the same system, you have to unsheathe your weapon for fighting, in fact in FFXI the time battle is slower.... are you sure you have play??
I never used my mouse in ffxi and I dont use one in the beta...thats was the best part of the UI...duh
and as far as attacking my ffxi career...well if that makes you feel better then go ahead...that doesnt change the facts about this new game. I never said I wanted ffxi-2...but I'd like to be able to drive my char with one hand.
In one of your other post you say this: but there's some of us that actually loved ffxi and just wanted a sequel, not a whole new format. Do you know what you really want or what...
I played from the ps2 release on PC until like feb 2007...I was a healer and a nuker...and was leveling bard when I quit. From what I'm reading its some of the posters that havent played ffxi, or dont really remember the UI there. You included. If you had played ffxi you'd know how easy it was to target npc's...you'd know how to drive a char...and you'd remember that you could put waypoints on the map...you'd remember that the zones were wide open, not the "trail" system they call a zone now....and you'd also remember the towns...which have sorta sprawled out in ffxiv...
So go play that poor excuse for a final fantasy sequel...but please don't try to tell me it's better then or even close to being as good as ffxi...go follow the lil gold arrow on the mini map...click thru the menu when you wanna teleport, have only one quest giver in town...and pertend everything is just fine....pfft...fanboys!!! *rolls eyes*
pfff... troll... rolls eyes... is this really necessary to insult those who like it because you dont?? I dont take the bait normally for this kind of post but i just could help myself. FFXI is a game FFXIV is another game. They have their difference some good some bad but still for me this is a good game. You dont like it just dont play... because FFXIV is not a sequel. In fact SE never do sequel for final fantasy exept for FF X-2 who was shit by the way....
I hated Aion...but I hate to say, I think even that was better then the ffxiv beta so far*gasp*
What hostility are you talking about? the only one insulting here is you OP people are just telling what bad information you have.
Both games are similar with little changes here and there on every feature.
You keep on saying you played ffxi for years yet you spread so many false information like someone that have saw there was a previous ff mmo and pretending that have played it for years to have more credibility.
I already pointed to most of your things in your OP some like mouse and/ui is true and that's why I didn't mention them but if you really played ffxi for years how could you say what you did? Like I said I only played ffxi for 2 months while you played it for years...
One thing is not liking a game another is giving out bad information.
Both games are similar with little changes here and there on every feature.
what game are you talking about? ffxi and ffxiv? They couldn't be more apart. Other then the toons looking the same the entire game is different.
change every feature, as you said, you end up with a different game. ffxiv is an epic fail for pc players, it was made for PS3 and that's obvious. Now let's see if they actually release it for them. Then maybe I'll play.
I hate to break it to you but yes I played ffxi for many many months, years in fact...It's sad that your only defense to the issues I've brought up about the ffxiv is how long I played ffxi.
The game has no content...repeatable quests is not content.
The UI stinks...they should have used alt/ctrl + hotkeys.
and yes ffxiv is just another game in the ff series...their second attempt at making final fantasy into an mmo. The first was paired with the ps2. This one is paired to the PS3. They screwed up the pairing with this new game and no amount of ranking on me will change that.
I feel SE let me down and no amount of fanboy rheteric is gonna change that. The game is a fail, but sure some people will still play it. Look at all the other mmo's out there. There's people logged into em all. Go and talk to the players on Perfect World and listen to them tell you how that free to play game with an item shop is dabomb. There's fanboys for every game. That still doesn't change the gameplay of whatever game they're talking about....and this forum is about ffxiv and yes, there's plenty of fans here to defend it. Still the same ol story. Some people will like a game while others don't.
I'm one of the ones that don't....but I feel like I was let down...I had such respect for SE, I had them on some sort of a pedestal cuz of my experience in ffxi. I expected so much more from them...and they deliver this....pfft
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
What's different apart of now you have a skill bar were to put skills, class system, ui? The rest are just improved features of ffxi.
Hmm... I dunno:
Character creation
So xiv has more options to customize your character with accessories and date of birth/guardian now it's something totally different? in ffxi as far as I know some of these were instead ingame so yes it's an improved feature.
Combat
What's different apart of having a skill bar? Both have to have weapons out to start combat and yes xiv doesn't have auto attack but has stamina bar not only tp, so yes it's an improved feature.
Question
?
If you mean quests even ffxi released quests you can do every ingame day near watch towers, so yes it's an improved feature.
Content
I don't get this.
If you mean about the storyline quest then well I'm sure you have read it by now but yeah they only let you do chapter 1 in open beta to not spoil the story for launch.
Zones
I don't get this too.
Crafting
I never crafted in ffxi but I'm sure the biggest difference is the small minigame and the menus you have to go through to make x item, so yes it's an improved feature.
- Lets see... what else is there to an MMO?
Words in red.
The question was that ffxiv is totally different from ffxi which is not true, it's different but you still find similarities like I wrote up here for the 2nd time.
I hate to break it to you but yes I played ffxi for many many months, years in fact...It's sad that your only defense to the issues I've brought up about the ffxiv is how long I played ffxi.
Did you even read any of this?
"Tutorial - Both games have no tutorials but xiv at least has a manual and a quest log that points you were you need to go.
So ff xiv advanced on it (not much but they did)
Quests - Didn't ffxi implemented the watchtower quests to help lvling for people? so it's not like only xiv has turned into a quest game which even people that don't like the game would agree.
Combat - FFXI's combat is all focused on opening a menu after menu and all skills use tp to use so auto attack till 100% tp then use skill while in xiv you have a skill bar were to place skills and you have skills that use stamina AND tp.
It's an improvement on the older one which I and many others didn't find bad at all.
Camera - Like in xi you can change the buttons although limited but you can change it from J,K,L,I to something else, also you could always change camera view with mouse.
MAP - What's bad in the map? it's because there's nothing written to show you if that thing over there is a town or not?"
So that is about if you really played ffxi or not?
Yes your OP has bad information and I'm not the only one saying it yet you say were being fanbois or whatever..
If you want my advice bloodaxes Stop feeding the OP, this conversation is pointless, this is just infintie circle. This thread has nothing constructive.
To the op,i feel the same,as that is exactly how i went through the process leading up to FFXIV.The problem is i already felt FFXIV was going to be a weak effort by time i had gathered enough information on it prior to my beta try out.
I can't even comment on a couple areas,it was like everytime i went to do something,i was bummed out.The mere fact that i was in the same boat as everyone else just entering a game and doing the dumbest part of gaming,following linear Leves/quests with seemd like for no reason other than that was all i could think to do.
IMO the ONLY thing that showed effort was the starting cutscenes from each city,after that the game looked very much sub par,like i would be wasting my time to login into that for a year or more.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
And i bet almost anything that he played FFXI at a american launch, which was launched with an expansion and was already 1 year past its original Japanese launch, had all of its bugs already worked out and a years worth of content added. Honestly no FFXI player can comment about how great FFXI compares to FFXIV at launch unless they played the Japanese version at launch.
yeah...I'm sure the Japanese had to move the camera with the I,J,K,L keys at the beginning. I'm sure there were no mobs outside the gate....and I'm sure they didn't have an AH...they added all those things just for the PS2 launch...
yeah...that's it.
*slaps forehead* what was I thinkin
~Ziggy~
There weren't any mobs outside the gate at FFXI's launch either. There were so many players and the spawn rate was so low i had to take a group out and kill giant bee's near the 2nd tower (i started windhurst). I don't use I J K L, i use my mouse, which i have absolutely zero mouse lag with. You just can't seem to get past the fact that this is a different game. They are trying to make it as user friendly for a PC as they can without doing away with their menu system. If you don't like using a mouse, either use a game pad or wait for the ps3 version and get that. Or open your mind up and get used to using I J K L. Or don't play, im not trying to force you into playing FFXIV. Im just trying to remind you to open your mind to a new game. This isn't FFXI-2, its FFXIV.
I really don't understand how comparing Japanese versions of the game to Americanized versions of the game some how benefit the OP, or follow the flow of the forums..
That seems rather.. How can I say this... Egotistic? To claim that people who didn't play the Japanese versions have no idea what FFXI was like is a poor way to get your point across.
I also played FFXI, but years ago. I'm 25 years old now and started FFXI when I was 15 and quit when I was 16 and a half. I quit just after Chains of Promethia. I had a level 61 Hume Paladin with full Artifact Gear. FFXI was the only "real" MMORPG I ever played.
Now I've never played FFXIV, so I won't comment on the game, nor assert myself by claiming things that I know nothing about, but I do find it a bit insulting to read this. Reminds me of old timers yelling at kids "In my days we had to walk FIFTEEN miles through snow and rain!" and seems counter-productive to the forums.
I also like to remind you that you pointed out a lot of flaws in the system during FFXI's launch, and yet you do not make any effort to rebuke the OP's issues with the flaws he listed in FFXIV, instead you counter with "Well, in FFXI you didn't have this either." If one does not learn from history, they are doomed to repeat it. In this case, it seems like you're more willing to write the issues off as "Typical Square-Enix" and not honest-to-goodness issues.
Just because FFXIV is a "Different" game doesn't mean one shouldn't use what they've done in the past as an example of things in the future and use those examples to improve upon the old stuff, but still making it feel new.
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The game has no content...repeatable quests is not content.
I read this entire thread up till this remark. And this is where I quit reading. Seriously? Complaints about no content in an OB? I've been playing since they started OB, and while it hasn't been 5-6 hours a night and maybe not every day, I've no troubles finding things to do... Sorry OP, was willing to give your complaint a chance until this.
And i bet almost anything that he played FFXI at a american launch, which was launched with an expansion and was already 1 year past its original Japanese launch, had all of its bugs already worked out and a years worth of content added. Honestly no FFXI player can comment about how great FFXI compares to FFXIV at launch unless they played the Japanese version at launch.
yeah...I'm sure the Japanese had to move the camera with the I,J,K,L keys at the beginning. I'm sure there were no mobs outside the gate....and I'm sure they didn't have an AH...they added all those things just for the PS2 launch...
yeah...that's it.
*slaps forehead* what was I thinkin
~Ziggy~
There weren't any mobs outside the gate at FFXI's launch either. There were so many players and the spawn rate was so low i had to take a group out and kill giant bee's near the 2nd tower (i started windhurst). I don't use I J K L, i use my mouse, which i have absolutely zero mouse lag with. You just can't seem to get past the fact that this is a different game. They are trying to make it as user friendly for a PC as they can without doing away with their menu system. If you don't like using a mouse, either use a game pad or wait for the ps3 version and get that. Or open your mind up and get used to using I J K L. Or don't play, im not trying to force you into playing FFXIV. Im just trying to remind you to open your mind to a new game. This isn't FFXI-2, its FFXIV.
I really don't understand how comparing Japanese versions of the game to Americanized versions of the game some how benefit the OP, or follow the flow of the forums..
That seems rather.. How can I say this... Egotistic? To claim that people who didn't play the Japanese versions have no idea what FFXI was like is a poor way to get your point across.
I also played FFXI, but years ago. I'm 25 years old now and started FFXI when I was 15 and quit when I was 16 and a half. I quit just after Chains of Promethia. I had a level 61 Hume Paladin with full Artifact Gear. FFXI was the only "real" MMORPG I ever played.
I stopped reading after this. The game hasn't been out 10 years. And if you could read, i was comparing the launch of both the games. I didn't say that someone who didn't play FFXI at Japanese launch have no idea what FFXI was like. What i was saying is that, if you weren't at Japanese launch, you can't compare launch to launch vs FFXIV. What american gamers saw was a year old finished product before they even got a chance at playing FFXI. So of course you're really going to enjoy FFXI at american launch and from then on out. You had someone else already going through all the headaches of a brand new launched game with no content.
So please comprehend someones post before commenting on it. The OP is disappointed that a brand new game doesn't have as much content as a game thats been out for 7 years, or even if he/she started at day 1 of american launch, a game that had already been out for a year. If this game had been out for a year in Japan already and then came over here and there was no content, then it would be a different story.
The only difference between FFXIV's launch and any other modern MMO's launch is that all modern MMO's have gone with a questing system. And that really is the only type of content any of those games had. None of them had endgame yet, didn't have any extravagant crafting. Hell most modern MMO's i play, most people don't even craft because there really isn't anything special you get from them that you can't get from just running a dungeon.
FFXIV has some flaws, but they aren't any more glaring than any other MMO's. Honestly, if this game had non stop questing that guided you from point a to point b all day long till level 50, there wouldn't be people bitching about the UI, the combat, the map. These people are just bitching because they expected a WoW clone and didn't get it.
But, i will admit. SE made some poor decisions on marketing. I will admit, even i was confused when guildleves were introduced. The system was explained to be a questing system. Not nearly as restrictive as it is. But that actually turned me off of the game more than made me want to play it.
No...I played ffxi for a long time. I played on Bismarch. I had a 75 whm, a 75 blm, a 61 bard, and got most of the jobs
to the point where I sorta knew how they worked....hell, I even leveled a few mules. I had mules camped an each AH
to buy all the spider webs I could find...hehe....yeah, I played ffxi. Till the sun came up lotta times.
My clothcrafting was almost capped when I quit. I had joined a few endgame LS's and frankly got tired of the endgame
drama and endless camping of NM's that were required for LS membership. So I left and went to WoW for a like a year.
Then started to drift from game to game.
The UI isn't the same !!!
I used to drive me char with the number pad and move the camera with the arrows...so one handed driving. I never touched
my mouse, which was one of the things I loved about the game. I loved the UI on ffxi, so don't tell me they're the same as
ffxi. I sat for hours healing and debuffing. I did the rank missions over and over for guildies. I farmed spiders in the desert
for webs, to level cloth, for weeks on end. So yeah...I played I pushed keys and wrote macros bunches. I KNOW the ffxi
keyboard setup. I can still remember the order of my macros for my healer. I remember having to carry 12 instruments
when I played my bard...and all the macros that went along with that job.
I played ffxi...and I played it well ^^
I did the happy dance when I heard about ffxiv...literally.
I AM trying so hard to like ffxiv...I got a email from my old LS and they're all playing too...and yes, not all of em feel the way I
do. I soooo want to play again.
Please don't misunderstand...I'm just disappointed at what SE did to the game I had so much fun playing.
It's like all the games I've played...none of em are perfect for sure...real life is far from perfect too.
But ffxi was just so right for me...and I miss it.
I'm just venting ^^
I will try and try to fall in love with ffxiv until the beta ends...but it's just doesn't feel like home to me.
I'm so sad
~Ziggy~
the last line of this post scares me, ............ its a game...... you have a home, you're sitting in it while you're typing this post... go outside.... disappointments are fine, but you act like FFXI was some kind of messiah or lover...... come back to real life please.....
Plaync made AION, Arenanet made GW and GW2 with free creative reign over it with out plaync interference, the only thing plaync gets out of it is money cause they bought ANET but they maintain autonomy.
QFT
This kind of pisses me off too if your gonna toss NCSoft ou there then know your history. Even now under NC Soft Arena Net is under NC west which is currently run by none other than the guys from the original arena net. So aion and GW dont have a thing to do with each other. As for the other parts of your OP what you said is fine but dont broadcast "I canceled my pre order" like all the other guys with 10 post all full of whining because I cant think why it matters that we know that.
I played ffxi for years and loved it. Quitting that game was sorta hard to do. Since I left I tried tons of mmo's.
I judged every game I played against the ffxi standard and none of em stood up. Games like Conan, Warhammer, and
Aion never got past the 30 day free trial. The free to play games just don't seem to do it either. Wow sorta was ok, but no.
When SE announced FFXIV I did the happy dance and started to count the days till launch.
So last week I finally got to play the beta...yay....and what a huge let down. I'm soooo bummed. I can't believe
they took such a good mmo and did that to it. The new game is an epic fail, and with that fail came a huge
disappointment for me *sob*
It's not like I haven't tried to love the game....really, I tried. I'll try again today too, but its so hard to love a game thats
so messed up. It's now a guest based game, a quest based game with a bad quest log, no instructions, a terrible map,
and a horrible fighting system. I mean you steer the camera with I,J,K,L...who does that?
It's now a "menu" game....so to do something as simple as look at your quest log you have to click on 3 different menus
then hit escape like 3 times to get back to the game....pfft.
So yeah...I called Gamestop and cancelled my pre-order....and here I was thinkin my mmo search was over. I thought
I would be happily playing ffxiv for years....but no
My mmo hunt isn't over yet. Looks like I'll be putting all my mmo hopes into the Guildwars 2 basket.
Which is scary...cuz the GW people also made Aion...and that game was a huge fail IMO...hope they learned something
from that and make GW2 a huge success *fingers crossed*
~Ziggy~
I agree with you 100%, I'm in the same boat, FFXI was my first MMO and I compare everything else to it, I've tried pretty much every other MMO on the market (Free and Pay) since I quit and nothing comes close to it. Unfortunately I can't devote enough time needed to get anywhere in FFXI so I decided to quit. When I read that FFXIV would be coming I was excited, (I even built a new computer just for it 2 weeks ago) but since playing the beta for a week I also cancelled my Pre-order and will be waiting for SWTOR or GW2.
As wacky as the controls/menus were in FFXI they still were easy to use (you didn't need a mouse) and I actually loved them. FFXIV feels like a step backwards, they tried to bring in the mouse but it's a half assed attempt and it would've been better if they stuck to just keyboard controls. Do a complete modern control/menu scheme or stick to the old one (FFXI). The game is boring, I just don't want to play and I've honestly tried my best to like it, the quest system sucks and it's just so slow. Something about FFXI keeps drawing me back to it and FFXIV so far doesn't give me that same feeling.
Then don't play? Maybe down the road when the game has been expanded on.. say maybe a year ish like what happened when FFXI came to the states you can give it a fair shot. Sorry it isn't the game for you and you can't be as fulfilled as I am. =D
No reason to get all bent out of shape or emotional. It is just a game and no game is for everyone.
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Haven't played beta XIV, and after seeing comments from both sides stories, I'm going to hold off for a short while when everythings more in place.
A game is just that... a game, not an emotional crutch.
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
I can tell you're in The Great Shroud. All the other maps are wide open, but that one is a series of trails. It's cool for a change of pace, but not so much for a first impression of the game.
To its credit, it does get a lot more interesting once you've a few different job ranks under your belt and are free to mix and match abilities. That is actually pretty cool about the combat system. However, it does take a bit of getting used to. From what I'm reading here, it seems to me that you might want to play the game a little longer before publically decrying the combt as "terrible." I mean, a good first impression reflection, sure, but fair in the long run? Probably not.
I find it confusing you're complaining about scrolling looking with IJKL then, since doesn't FFXI do the same thing?
I'm not attacking your FFXI career such as pointing out I'm surprised you're having difficulty with menus or keyboard mouselook considering these are pillars of FFXI. It's really inconsistant, I'm genuinely surprised you played the game that long and yet feel you never had to deal with that before.
You see this thing you have wrote here? It's not a useful or constructive thing to say so much as pathetic sniveling: "oh, fine, be that way, go play this dumb game, follow your little arrows, you fanboy, I snub you! *turns away, cranks up his emo music on his iPod*" I had to cut most of your original post of this thread because it was full of this kind of crap. Just some friendly advice: the sooner you curb that bad habit, the sooner you'll man up.
wow....such hostility...
I read all the OP posts and I'm not sure what to make of it. I also played ffxi for years and really liked the game. I managed to get 2 jobs to the cap and did some, but not all, of the endgame events.
I don't think I like the game either...but don't post about it...just don't play it, I won't either
Yeah they've messed up FFXIV. Its a huge let down. You are actually supposed to play FFXIV with the controller thats why controls seem so awkward to you. I've played it with controller but game is simply unplayable, it has nothing to do very little content and full of bugs. FFXIV ended up being a major fail no matter all the hype and pretty CGIs. I am shocked that Square Enix allowed FFXIV to be released in such a pathetic state. Less than 2 weeks left and game is like in Alpha stage. Its not even ready for Open Beta. Major let down. Simply awful mess up.
indeed...
they have the blinders firmly in place...the game is a letdown and most of the beta testers realize it but what can they do...its either play the menu scrolling game or don't...no worries...it'll join a huge list of other failed games...so unexpected from SE, but then again my char has been getting spammed with power level services and online game money, even in the beta...pfft. That was never tolerated in ffxi. Oh well...huh...I won't have to deal with the bots and gil sellers.
it's just too bad SE designed the menus for PS3 but released the PC version first...go figure
So the search for a decent mmo continues...don't worry...I wont post anymore...ffxiv is a fine game, g'luck and happy gaming
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
What hostility are you talking about? the only one insulting here is you OP people are just telling what bad information you have.
Both games are similar with little changes here and there on every feature.
You keep on saying you played ffxi for years yet you spread so many false information like someone that have saw there was a previous ff mmo and pretending that have played it for years to have more credibility.
I already pointed to most of your things in your OP some like mouse and/ui is true and that's why I didn't mention them but if you really played ffxi for years how could you say what you did? Like I said I only played ffxi for 2 months while you played it for years...
One thing is not liking a game another is giving out bad information.
what game are you talking about? ffxi and ffxiv? They couldn't be more apart. Other then the toons looking the same the entire game is different.
change every feature, as you said, you end up with a different game. ffxiv is an epic fail for pc players, it was made for PS3 and that's obvious. Now let's see if they actually release it for them. Then maybe I'll play.
What's different apart of now you have a skill bar were to put skills, class system, ui? The rest are just improved features of ffxi.
Hmm... I dunno:
Character creation
Combat
Question
Content
Zones
Crafting
- Lets see... what else is there to an MMO?
I hate to break it to you but yes I played ffxi for many many months, years in fact...It's sad that your only defense to the issues I've brought up about the ffxiv is how long I played ffxi.
The game has no content...repeatable quests is not content.
The UI stinks...they should have used alt/ctrl + hotkeys.
and yes ffxiv is just another game in the ff series...their second attempt at making final fantasy into an mmo. The first was paired with the ps2. This one is paired to the PS3. They screwed up the pairing with this new game and no amount of ranking on me will change that.
I feel SE let me down and no amount of fanboy rheteric is gonna change that. The game is a fail, but sure some people will still play it. Look at all the other mmo's out there. There's people logged into em all. Go and talk to the players on Perfect World and listen to them tell you how that free to play game with an item shop is dabomb. There's fanboys for every game. That still doesn't change the gameplay of whatever game they're talking about....and this forum is about ffxiv and yes, there's plenty of fans here to defend it. Still the same ol story. Some people will like a game while others don't.
I'm one of the ones that don't....but I feel like I was let down...I had such respect for SE, I had them on some sort of a pedestal cuz of my experience in ffxi. I expected so much more from them...and they deliver this....pfft
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
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The question was that ffxiv is totally different from ffxi which is not true, it's different but you still find similarities like I wrote up here for the 2nd time.
Did you even read any of this?
"Tutorial - Both games have no tutorials but xiv at least has a manual and a quest log that points you were you need to go.
So ff xiv advanced on it (not much but they did)
Quests - Didn't ffxi implemented the watchtower quests to help lvling for people? so it's not like only xiv has turned into a quest game which even people that don't like the game would agree.
Combat - FFXI's combat is all focused on opening a menu after menu and all skills use tp to use so auto attack till 100% tp then use skill while in xiv you have a skill bar were to place skills and you have skills that use stamina AND tp.
It's an improvement on the older one which I and many others didn't find bad at all.
Camera - Like in xi you can change the buttons although limited but you can change it from J,K,L,I to something else, also you could always change camera view with mouse.
MAP - What's bad in the map? it's because there's nothing written to show you if that thing over there is a town or not?"
So that is about if you really played ffxi or not?
Yes your OP has bad information and I'm not the only one saying it yet you say were being fanbois or whatever..
I don't know why I even post.
If you want my advice bloodaxes Stop feeding the OP, this conversation is pointless, this is just infintie circle. This thread has nothing constructive.
To the op,i feel the same,as that is exactly how i went through the process leading up to FFXIV.The problem is i already felt FFXIV was going to be a weak effort by time i had gathered enough information on it prior to my beta try out.
I can't even comment on a couple areas,it was like everytime i went to do something,i was bummed out.The mere fact that i was in the same boat as everyone else just entering a game and doing the dumbest part of gaming,following linear Leves/quests with seemd like for no reason other than that was all i could think to do.
IMO the ONLY thing that showed effort was the starting cutscenes from each city,after that the game looked very much sub par,like i would be wasting my time to login into that for a year or more.
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I really don't understand how comparing Japanese versions of the game to Americanized versions of the game some how benefit the OP, or follow the flow of the forums..
That seems rather.. How can I say this... Egotistic? To claim that people who didn't play the Japanese versions have no idea what FFXI was like is a poor way to get your point across.
I also played FFXI, but years ago. I'm 25 years old now and started FFXI when I was 15 and quit when I was 16 and a half. I quit just after Chains of Promethia. I had a level 61 Hume Paladin with full Artifact Gear. FFXI was the only "real" MMORPG I ever played.
Now I've never played FFXIV, so I won't comment on the game, nor assert myself by claiming things that I know nothing about, but I do find it a bit insulting to read this. Reminds me of old timers yelling at kids "In my days we had to walk FIFTEEN miles through snow and rain!" and seems counter-productive to the forums.
I also like to remind you that you pointed out a lot of flaws in the system during FFXI's launch, and yet you do not make any effort to rebuke the OP's issues with the flaws he listed in FFXIV, instead you counter with "Well, in FFXI you didn't have this either." If one does not learn from history, they are doomed to repeat it. In this case, it seems like you're more willing to write the issues off as "Typical Square-Enix" and not honest-to-goodness issues.
Just because FFXIV is a "Different" game doesn't mean one shouldn't use what they've done in the past as an example of things in the future and use those examples to improve upon the old stuff, but still making it feel new.
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I read this entire thread up till this remark. And this is where I quit reading. Seriously? Complaints about no content in an OB? I've been playing since they started OB, and while it hasn't been 5-6 hours a night and maybe not every day, I've no troubles finding things to do... Sorry OP, was willing to give your complaint a chance until this.
I stopped reading after this. The game hasn't been out 10 years. And if you could read, i was comparing the launch of both the games. I didn't say that someone who didn't play FFXI at Japanese launch have no idea what FFXI was like. What i was saying is that, if you weren't at Japanese launch, you can't compare launch to launch vs FFXIV. What american gamers saw was a year old finished product before they even got a chance at playing FFXI. So of course you're really going to enjoy FFXI at american launch and from then on out. You had someone else already going through all the headaches of a brand new launched game with no content.
So please comprehend someones post before commenting on it. The OP is disappointed that a brand new game doesn't have as much content as a game thats been out for 7 years, or even if he/she started at day 1 of american launch, a game that had already been out for a year. If this game had been out for a year in Japan already and then came over here and there was no content, then it would be a different story.
The only difference between FFXIV's launch and any other modern MMO's launch is that all modern MMO's have gone with a questing system. And that really is the only type of content any of those games had. None of them had endgame yet, didn't have any extravagant crafting. Hell most modern MMO's i play, most people don't even craft because there really isn't anything special you get from them that you can't get from just running a dungeon.
FFXIV has some flaws, but they aren't any more glaring than any other MMO's. Honestly, if this game had non stop questing that guided you from point a to point b all day long till level 50, there wouldn't be people bitching about the UI, the combat, the map. These people are just bitching because they expected a WoW clone and didn't get it.
But, i will admit. SE made some poor decisions on marketing. I will admit, even i was confused when guildleves were introduced. The system was explained to be a questing system. Not nearly as restrictive as it is. But that actually turned me off of the game more than made me want to play it.
the last line of this post scares me, ............ its a game...... you have a home, you're sitting in it while you're typing this post... go outside.... disappointments are fine, but you act like FFXI was some kind of messiah or lover...... come back to real life please.....
It's an open beta deal with it.
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This kind of pisses me off too if your gonna toss NCSoft ou there then know your history. Even now under NC Soft Arena Net is under NC west which is currently run by none other than the guys from the original arena net. So aion and GW dont have a thing to do with each other. As for the other parts of your OP what you said is fine but dont broadcast "I canceled my pre order" like all the other guys with 10 post all full of whining because I cant think why it matters that we know that.
I agree with you 100%, I'm in the same boat, FFXI was my first MMO and I compare everything else to it, I've tried pretty much every other MMO on the market (Free and Pay) since I quit and nothing comes close to it. Unfortunately I can't devote enough time needed to get anywhere in FFXI so I decided to quit. When I read that FFXIV would be coming I was excited, (I even built a new computer just for it 2 weeks ago) but since playing the beta for a week I also cancelled my Pre-order and will be waiting for SWTOR or GW2.
As wacky as the controls/menus were in FFXI they still were easy to use (you didn't need a mouse) and I actually loved them. FFXIV feels like a step backwards, they tried to bring in the mouse but it's a half assed attempt and it would've been better if they stuck to just keyboard controls. Do a complete modern control/menu scheme or stick to the old one (FFXI). The game is boring, I just don't want to play and I've honestly tried my best to like it, the quest system sucks and it's just so slow. Something about FFXI keeps drawing me back to it and FFXIV so far doesn't give me that same feeling.
Then don't play? Maybe down the road when the game has been expanded on.. say maybe a year ish like what happened when FFXI came to the states you can give it a fair shot. Sorry it isn't the game for you and you can't be as fulfilled as I am. =D
No reason to get all bent out of shape or emotional. It is just a game and no game is for everyone.