Most people who play mmos today seem to be narcissistic, expecting entitlements, and wanting games to work exactly to their tastes. The problem is that it will never happen that way. I don't think an mmorpg that caters to the things that all players want will never exist, because certain "desirable aspects" will inevitably take away from other "desirable aspects." That's why I think games need to stick with what their good at (i.e PVE vs PVP, or instant reward vs grind) and stick with it. I hope FFXIV doesn't try too hard to cater to everyone, because I think they'll end up alienating most, if they do.
Perhaps they should have stuck to console for this game then. PC players don't typically buy a game then expect to need to plug in a console controller to use it. I guess that's fine if you already play console ports on your PC and know that this game falls under that category. But I wonder how many people will pick this up, knowing only that it's a fantasy MMO with superb visuals, then exclaim WTF! when they begin to try to navigate their way through the UI.
Console ports have notoriously bad control schemes when they end up on the PC. This isn't the fault of the player,it's the fault of the developer. Perhaps they should bundle the game with a free controller so people not only know they are getting a console title for their PC, but will have the means to play it effectively. I'm happy for all of you that know what to expect and are getting just that. My concern is for the people that don't frequent sites like this, who will have no idea what it is they're purchasing. Caveat emptor, I suppose. At least it's a box sale.
I like the FF franchise, well most of the games. I also played FFXI when It came out. It was my first MMO and I really enjoyed playing it. Since then I havent played MMO's too much. A bit of AoC and a few months of AION. So then when I heard FFXIV was coming out I was really exited, and have been following the game quite a bit. After tons of trouble trying to get a beta key for "OPEN BETA" (really misleading) and going through the terrible launching/patching system. I finally get to play the game, but once I get in I can see that it was terribly designed. Not gameplay wise necessarily, as that was an intentional decision by the designers, and it may not appeal to everybody, but It could be quite enjoyalbe.
The problem is the lag/ui/technical issues. It is by far the most terribly optimized game I can remember playing, even moreso than APB beta, and that was on my shitty 4-5 year old system before I upgraded for FFXIV. People really need to stop defending the games technical issues. It sickens me. IT IS SHIT, thats all there is too it. It has really poor performance and If you read peoples posts, you will see that the majority of people, even ones with $2000+ new enthusiast computers, have trouble running at playable framrates. This is unnacceptable, especially considering the game is releasing very soon. and to the people saying its very playalbe or 60+fps at max settings? should we really believe you? Are you the chosen ones or something?
Again the gameplay design is made to be what it is. Fanboys defend it with your life if you want. But that is not the main issue with the game right now, It is the TERRIBLE OPTIMIZATION! Game Dev. laziness or idiocy? it doesnt matter how. STOP DEFENDING IT.
I've struggled with this game long enough.... It looks pretty but beyond that goes downhill quickly.
Performance really sucks. This is shocking since most asian games perform amazing and look amazing. I have a quad core intel processor running at 2.66ghz, 4gb ram, a GTX 465 with 1gb ram, and win 7 64 bit. The mouse and most everything initially lagged when I made the window match my resolution. I tried turning down every option to no avail it would still be laggy. Finally I got it into full screen and performance was tolerable. Then I ran into crashing issues. Beyond that casting spells is difficult, I have to target something, select the spell then I think target it again. Whatever the issue it is far from fluid and is difficult to play. There is no global chat or anyway I can see to ask for help.
Maybe I haven't stuck it out long enough but this game is just not fun. And I haven't really even gotten started in it.
Er... I'm not really defending this game but.. your reasoning isn't all that great.
The game is "shockingly" bad because... there's no global chat? Many people like the lack of global chat. The Golden Age of MMORPGs didn't have global chat. And because the spell mechanics aren't the same as WoW its bad?
As for performance, that's a more logical complaint, but it doesn't make the GAME bad. Also, its beta, maybe some people don't remember beta isn't a free trial.
dude betas now, especially open betas are basically free trials and stress testing. Just because its beta isnt an excuse for no content and shitty programming... its not. and for many people, if you cant play the game smoothly, its not as enjoyable, it really eats away at the experience. And people are less likely to want to explore the game more, and get a better opinions if theres alot of lag...
dude betas now, especially open betas are basically free trials and stress testing. Just because its beta isnt an excuse for no content and shitty programming... its not. and for many people, if you cant play the game smoothly, its not as enjoyable, it really eats away at the experience. And people are less likely to want to explore the game more, and get a better opinions if theres alot of lag...
Stress testing is when you stress a server to see how much it can handle. If its "basically a free trial" they wouldn't be testing anything. And since they are testing it, trying to find the breaking point, its obviously not going to work 100 percent. If ever beta test ran flawlessly, beta tests would not exist, sorry.
add to the fact ffxiv pc version was rush out due to the fans eagerness to play.
one will need to wait for ps3 version after mar 2011 to make a fair assessment of the game.right now the game is out cos a lot of gamers wanted to play it.but its not fully complete yes.if u do not like ffxiv at its present stage of completion then just don't play it for now and wait till mar next year.
i do not understand why does people like to make bad review thread during open beta.just don't play if u don't like it.the game may not be suitable for u atm.
add to the fact ffxiv pc version was rush out due to the fans eagerness to play.
one will need to wait for ps3 version after mar 2011 to make a fair assessment of the game.right now the game is out cos a lot of gamers wanted to play it.but its not fully complete yes.if u do not like ffxiv at its present stage of completion then just don't play it for now and wait till mar next year.
i do not understand why does people like to make bad review thread during open beta.just don't play if u don't like it.the game may not be suitable for u atm.
This is nothing but excuses. The PS3 version will not make the game any better. It will just make the game playable on PS3.
Ive already removed this horrible game from my guilds website as a potentially supported title -- Removed it yesterday. Its junk.
add to the fact ffxiv pc version was rush out due to the fans eagerness to play.
one will need to wait for ps3 version after mar 2011 to make a fair assessment of the game.right now the game is out cos a lot of gamers wanted to play it.but its not fully complete yes.if u do not like ffxiv at its present stage of completion then just don't play it for now and wait till mar next year.
i do not understand why does people like to make bad review thread during open beta.just don't play if u don't like it.the game may not be suitable for u atm.
This is nothing but excuses. The PS3 version will not make the game any better. It will just make the game playable on PS3.
Ive already removed this horrible game from my guilds website as a potentially supported title -- Removed it yesterday. Its junk.
I would check back a few months after release to see if they fixed it up a bit, but I agree that right now its not very playable.
Name another MMO that requires you to read a manual OUTSIDE of the actual game itself.
Name another MMO that requires you do navigate multiple menus to do common tasks such as Opening your inventory.
Name another MMO that forces the use of Macros to have a more enjoyable gameplay.
Name another MMO that doesn't have hardware mouse enabled.
Name another MMO that has fixed as many issues as FFXIV has within a 3 week timeframe.(without creating a list of glaring new issues.)
Name an largely successful MMO that has had a beta this poorly recieved.
Name an MMO that has delievered 100% of the "it will be there at launch" content they did not present before launch.
SE has dropped the ball before and they are very cappable of doing so again. FFXIV is a promise made by a developement studio. FFXIV OB is a shockingly bad presentation of what that promise is supposed to be.
Some of the disappointment (but surely not all) may well be due to the basic differences between the cultures and what they expect from their entertainment.
i have defended the game a lot on these forums and I must say now that i been in open beta for a week I find myself not loggin in at all anymore. I got tired of grinding squirrles and moles. I see the good and bad in the game. I see why people love it and why people hate it. But what i don't get is why the people who love it try to get the people who hate it to like it. That is just a silly notion. That would be like you trying to get me to eat coconut when i hate coconut I'm not gonna try coconut even if you tell me it tasts like pineapple or say you can't taste it in this. Well guess what i can taste coconut in everything that it is in and I hate the taste of it.
I know bad analagy but the same thing. And the people that hate it try to get people who love it to not like it Just blows my mind. Why argue with each other just post your opionin and move on. If everyone just posted there opinion without targeting someone else posts the forums would be a much more informative place. Instead you get 3 pages of two people aguing back and forth trying to change eachothers opinion. It isn't going to happen.
Name another MMO that requires you to read a manual OUTSIDE of the actual game itself.
Name another MMO that requires you do navigate multiple menus to do common tasks such as Opening your inventory.
Name another MMO that forces the use of Macros to have a more enjoyable gameplay.
Name another MMO that doesn't have hardware mouse enabled.
Name another MMO that has fixed as many issues as FFXIV has within a 3 week timeframe.(without creating a list of glaring new issues.)
Name an largely successful MMO that has had a beta this poorly recieved.
Name an MMO that has delievered 100% of the "it will be there at launch" content they did not present before launch.
SE has dropped the ball before and they are very cappable of doing so again. FFXIV is a promise made by a developement studio. FFXIV OB is a shockingly bad presentation of what that promise is supposed to be.
10 days and counting.
You forgot the "Name one game that forces you to use a torrent to upload a patch and then forces you to install it yourself."
I was pleasantly surprised by this game, honestly.
In several other threads, I've mentioned that I had no intentions of playing this game due to the lack of jumping and my reservations about their new class system. However, I a friend wanted me to play it with him, so I agreed to give it at least a short trial.
I'll admit the ui gave me trouble at first. After so many years playing WoW, LotRO, and Aion, FFXIV's 'non-standard' approach gave me fits. However, now that I've gotten used to...I like it. As corny as it may sound, it makes me feel like I'm playing a Final Fantasy game.
I'm one of the few people who enjoyed LotRO's original combat speed, so the speed of the combat in the game doesn't bother me. The only stumbling block I have so far is switching between single target and aoe spells still feels awkward. However, I think gettting a gamepad of some kind to play the game with will help. It's clearly been designed with one in mind.
Though I wish there were more character appearance options, I've really enjoyed the gameplay. It's a nice change of pace from the game of 'spot the glowy symbol above the npc's head'. I also love that crafters and harvesters have their own classes. I also hope they resist the pressure of implementing an AH-type system - I rather enjoy the idea of being able to be known for the items I craft by name on my realm.
So yep, I'm probably going to preorder. Will I stay with the game? That depends entirely on what I see after launch. But I'm sure that it will be at least worth the purchase of the box.
Name another MMO that requires you to read a manual OUTSIDE of the actual game itself.
The only game i ever did this with was EQ and thats because of it being the first. I never read a manual for FFXIV though.
Name another MMO that requires you do navigate multiple menus to do common tasks such as Opening your inventory.
You got me here. that navigating the menus bit is annoying but to be fair it's just click the lower right button on the right then clicking inventory to open the inventory, not as fast as pressing I but not really multiple menus as thats just one.
Name another MMO that forces the use of Macros to have a more enjoyable gameplay.
I enjoyed the game fine without a macro. So i dunno on this one
Name another MMO that doesn't have hardware mouse enabled.
Theres always an option to turn it off in other games. I never worried about this feature because my mouse worked just fine with the game
Name another MMO that has fixed as many issues as FFXIV has within a 3 week timeframe.(without creating a list of glaring new issues.)
I'm going to assume you mean they haven't fix any issues or very few. Well a lot of games have done this. Like say STO.
Name an largely successful MMO that has had a beta this poorly recieved.
AoC and STO come to mind for this one
Name an MMO that has delievered 100% of the "it will be there at launch" content they did not present before launch.
Again STO/AOC
SE has dropped the ball before and they are very cappable of doing so again. FFXIV is a promise made by a developement studio. FFXIV OB is a shockingly bad presentation of what that promise is supposed to be.
While i agree the game may not be for me. It is it's own style of game play. It's a console based first, computer based controls second. I do wish they would implement a better K/M system but oh well.
10 days and counting.
You forgot the "Name one game that forces you to use a torrent to upload a patch and then forces you to install it yourself."
lol
While this is funny. My version installed just fine with their launcher, on par with every single other game out there. Might have taken a bit longer but nothing out of the ordinary. Click the link to the downloader. Install the loader. Ran the loader. let it run over night. Started the game up. went right in. Maybe my expierence isn't the norm i don't know. but i wouldn't say it requires it.
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To the OP,those quad cores for gaming have been over rated bg time,there not very useful.Honestly i don't know for fact,but all i have seen from Square lately,i would say this game is probably not optimized to run on more than one core,i guess someone could set affinity to 1 then both or more to actually see if there is any difference.Also W7 is nothing great it uses more resources tha nXP,so i would't expect much there aside from loading tons of Ram,that XP wouldn't use.
The real speed of a cpu is the cache and only the fastest part i guess they call that L1,really matters.As for performance,that should not really be an issue,i have a low end machine and i can run it,however come launch and hundreds of players,there will be lag city.
One thing i did notice was the game said it was loading instance after instance,so idk maybe there is a limit of so many people per instance,so it could keep lag down.
I wonder if we are going to see VG all over again,a game tries to push the limits a bit and everyone forgets that it is not really feasable.Your ONLY concern should be the game and it's mechanics,if it is fun,go for it,for myself i don't see a good product but that is my opinion.
For those who never played FFXi,then i guess this game can come across as fresh and cool and all of that,but to a FFXI fan,we can see how many lazy ideas Sqaure put in while leaving themlseves open to grinding more money from us...extra players,extra retainers...cha ching !.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Name another MMO that requires you to read a manual OUTSIDE of the actual game itself.
Name another MMO that requires you do navigate multiple menus to do common tasks such as Opening your inventory.
Name another MMO that forces the use of Macros to have a more enjoyable gameplay.
Name another MMO that doesn't have hardware mouse enabled.
Name another MMO that has fixed as many issues as FFXIV has within a 3 week timeframe.(without creating a list of glaring new issues.)
Name an largely successful MMO that has had a beta this poorly recieved.
Name an MMO that has delievered 100% of the "it will be there at launch" content they did not present before launch.
SE has dropped the ball before and they are very cappable of doing so again. FFXIV is a promise made by a developement studio. FFXIV OB is a shockingly bad presentation of what that promise is supposed to be.
10 days and counting.
Well lets be fair about the MACROS,EVERY game uses them on your hotbar icons,you probably just don't realize it is just a simple macro.I do agree however and i have said so,that they SHOULD had had a simpler macro system that allows users to just drag and drop icons.OR at the VERY least,if they want to push a macrosystem where by the plaeyrs enter everything,then at least educate people on the use with a tutorial.
Tutorials are a MUST even for Beta,how on earth are people suppose to test things they don't understand?
I have said it a few times,Square is like all the rest,they really don't care about feedback,all that matters to them is that the paying customer/pre orders can actually login and play,then they are not tied to any possible backlash for money/returns.The pre launch will not dealy,the release will not delay,they will launch this game no matter it's condition,you can bet on it.
BTW let's remember that all these other top games,the players are all downloading add/ons,new UI's ,so neither blizzard nor Soe or any other game has a brilliant setup,otherwise people wouldn't be downloading.
I might add that Square is not known for releasing bugs at all,so i would at least give them until launch to see if they have actually delivered a game that is ready.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well after fighting through the UI issues and the lag issues I was able to play the game. It still seems way more painful to play then it needs to be but I was able to progress a bit.
I think the game is workable if they fix the bugs but still not a very good game. In my opinion the design is rather poor with a lot of things that just are way more difficult then they need to be. that said there is some good lore and if you take the time to read all the npc stuff it does seem like it would be a pretty involved game.
I was wondering if you'd ever played its predecessor, FFXI? If so, how does FFXIV rate against FFXI?
Well, it's not released yet. So judging that it's still a BETA and not a full game just yet, it does very well for itself. There isn't enough content (ahem, it's a BETA) and it's a bit laggy (again, BETA, not released, BETA) but the combat system is wonderful. Character development is great and the community keeps claiming that the game will fail because of the fatigue system. I, on the other hand, see the fatigue system as a way to steadily explore every class. Some of the classes have strengths to capitalize upon other classes. Not to mention, you will have fewer RMTs selling services to powerlevel. The game isn't even released yet and there are already RMTs selling gil, despite the fact that the servers will be wiped clean with the exception of name reservations. The game is wonderful despite the fact that people are only using the BETA client and not the full fledged game. Lag issues are server side, thus it's everyone's problem right now, but that will change upon release.
FFXI is a great game. It's definitely team oriented and you don't need multiple characters to get the full experience like in many other MMOs. Content IDs cost money, but still, if you are deligent enough and have a good group of people to play with, you can master every class, though it will take a lot of time to do so. FFXI is not a game for "gaining levels" per say, but more about having access. Endgame content, transportation, and some of the greatest gear exist for people who have progressed through the storyline and made a name for themselves storywise, not for people who hit max level, although you need to be strong enough to get through the challenges, and know your class in order to be the most effective member while in a party doing so. Not to mention, the level system isn't character based, but job based. Your jobs gain levels, you can pair that job with another job to combine benefits to a degree. The graphics are dated, but I'm not choosy since I've seen many of crappy games that have wonderful graphics.
On the whole about FFXIV, nobody can fairly judge it as a released MMORPG yet because the issues in the BETA will not necessarily exist in the released version of the game. SquareEnix may have lost some players because of the Open Beta alone, but players like me relish the fact that they can play it and get a taste of what the game will offer.
I hope you decide to play either one, but just keep in mind that there will always be people who have bad things to say about an MMORPG just because it didn't meet their needs. If there are free trials, play them for yourself. If you have money, buy it and try it. If you have nothing but bad things to say about it, make you comments factual an not pure opinion.
I'm mostly sure this game wont be for me in the near future. I'll consider buying a PS3 to play it when the time comes though. (better 300 bucks on a game system than ~1000 for a new computer)
It has many things in it that I really enjoy. The combat is actually better than some perceive it to be. With the lag it is hard to be sure, but I know there is definite advantages to positional attacks. It also seems you can dodge attacks and prevent specials. Combined with the Battle Regimen system (which I don't comprehend) that allows you to sync attacks for increased and addtional effects, I think it's much better and more entertaining than many state.
I'm enthralled by it's attention to detail. Putting on rings, necklaces, etc. actually visible show on your character. I enjoy the day night cycles and the weather.
The opening cutscenes work really well to draw you in and leave you wondering (why do the main characters have that tattoo on their necks?)
When the game goes live I'm sure the content will be added and a bit of the lag reduced (due to less load).
Unfortunately the UI is laggy, the game is laggy, and neither seem like they will change significantly due to design and server location. To add insult to injury the games performance varies greatly between systems.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
I was wondering if you'd ever played its predecessor, FFXI? If so, how does FFXIV rate against FFXI?
I hope you decide to play either one, but just keep in mind that there will always be people who have bad things to say about an MMORPG just because it didn't meet their needs. If there are free trials, play them for yourself. If you have money, buy it and try it. If you have nothing but bad things to say about it, make you comments factual an not pure opinion.
Thanks for the insight. I know it is difficult to judge a game based on the beta, but it can still offer a decent image of what the game will become upon release. That's the only reason I inquire in the first place.
I can say that all of this trash-talk about the game definitely turned me away for a while, but after spending hours reading what people who are experiencing the beta are posting (some of them friends), I am definitely interested again, but I guess that is obvious, or I wouldn't be here posting about it.
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Perhaps they should have stuck to console for this game then. PC players don't typically buy a game then expect to need to plug in a console controller to use it. I guess that's fine if you already play console ports on your PC and know that this game falls under that category. But I wonder how many people will pick this up, knowing only that it's a fantasy MMO with superb visuals, then exclaim WTF! when they begin to try to navigate their way through the UI.
Console ports have notoriously bad control schemes when they end up on the PC. This isn't the fault of the player,it's the fault of the developer. Perhaps they should bundle the game with a free controller so people not only know they are getting a console title for their PC, but will have the means to play it effectively. I'm happy for all of you that know what to expect and are getting just that. My concern is for the people that don't frequent sites like this, who will have no idea what it is they're purchasing. Caveat emptor, I suppose. At least it's a box sale.
thread title describes my experience perfectly. I remember playing ffxi beta, and it was way better a game than this.
I like the FF franchise, well most of the games. I also played FFXI when It came out. It was my first MMO and I really enjoyed playing it. Since then I havent played MMO's too much. A bit of AoC and a few months of AION. So then when I heard FFXIV was coming out I was really exited, and have been following the game quite a bit. After tons of trouble trying to get a beta key for "OPEN BETA" (really misleading) and going through the terrible launching/patching system. I finally get to play the game, but once I get in I can see that it was terribly designed. Not gameplay wise necessarily, as that was an intentional decision by the designers, and it may not appeal to everybody, but It could be quite enjoyalbe.
The problem is the lag/ui/technical issues. It is by far the most terribly optimized game I can remember playing, even moreso than APB beta, and that was on my shitty 4-5 year old system before I upgraded for FFXIV. People really need to stop defending the games technical issues. It sickens me. IT IS SHIT, thats all there is too it. It has really poor performance and If you read peoples posts, you will see that the majority of people, even ones with $2000+ new enthusiast computers, have trouble running at playable framrates. This is unnacceptable, especially considering the game is releasing very soon. and to the people saying its very playalbe or 60+fps at max settings? should we really believe you? Are you the chosen ones or something?
Again the gameplay design is made to be what it is. Fanboys defend it with your life if you want. But that is not the main issue with the game right now, It is the TERRIBLE OPTIMIZATION! Game Dev. laziness or idiocy? it doesnt matter how. STOP DEFENDING IT.
MMOs Played: FFXI,Age of Conan, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, GW2
Playing:None
Waiting For: Wildstar, The Repopulation, Archeage, TESO, Warhammer 40K:EC, EQN
Er... I'm not really defending this game but.. your reasoning isn't all that great.
The game is "shockingly" bad because... there's no global chat? Many people like the lack of global chat. The Golden Age of MMORPGs didn't have global chat. And because the spell mechanics aren't the same as WoW its bad?
As for performance, that's a more logical complaint, but it doesn't make the GAME bad. Also, its beta, maybe some people don't remember beta isn't a free trial.
dude betas now, especially open betas are basically free trials and stress testing. Just because its beta isnt an excuse for no content and shitty programming... its not. and for many people, if you cant play the game smoothly, its not as enjoyable, it really eats away at the experience. And people are less likely to want to explore the game more, and get a better opinions if theres alot of lag...
MMOs Played: FFXI,Age of Conan, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, GW2
Playing:None
Waiting For: Wildstar, The Repopulation, Archeage, TESO, Warhammer 40K:EC, EQN
Stress testing is when you stress a server to see how much it can handle. If its "basically a free trial" they wouldn't be testing anything. And since they are testing it, trying to find the breaking point, its obviously not going to work 100 percent. If ever beta test ran flawlessly, beta tests would not exist, sorry.
add to the fact ffxiv pc version was rush out due to the fans eagerness to play.
one will need to wait for ps3 version after mar 2011 to make a fair assessment of the game.right now the game is out cos a lot of gamers wanted to play it.but its not fully complete yes.if u do not like ffxiv at its present stage of completion then just don't play it for now and wait till mar next year.
i do not understand why does people like to make bad review thread during open beta.just don't play if u don't like it.the game may not be suitable for u atm.
This is nothing but excuses. The PS3 version will not make the game any better. It will just make the game playable on PS3.
Ive already removed this horrible game from my guilds website as a potentially supported title -- Removed it yesterday. Its junk.
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I would check back a few months after release to see if they fixed it up a bit, but I agree that right now its not very playable.
MMOs Played: FFXI,Age of Conan, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW, GW2
Playing:None
Waiting For: Wildstar, The Repopulation, Archeage, TESO, Warhammer 40K:EC, EQN
Name another MMO that requires you to read a manual OUTSIDE of the actual game itself.
Name another MMO that requires you do navigate multiple menus to do common tasks such as Opening your inventory.
Name another MMO that forces the use of Macros to have a more enjoyable gameplay.
Name another MMO that doesn't have hardware mouse enabled.
Name another MMO that has fixed as many issues as FFXIV has within a 3 week timeframe.(without creating a list of glaring new issues.)
Name an largely successful MMO that has had a beta this poorly recieved.
Name an MMO that has delievered 100% of the "it will be there at launch" content they did not present before launch.
SE has dropped the ball before and they are very cappable of doing so again. FFXIV is a promise made by a developement studio. FFXIV OB is a shockingly bad presentation of what that promise is supposed to be.
10 days and counting.
This.
Some of the disappointment (but surely not all) may well be due to the basic differences between the cultures and what they expect from their entertainment.
i have defended the game a lot on these forums and I must say now that i been in open beta for a week I find myself not loggin in at all anymore. I got tired of grinding squirrles and moles. I see the good and bad in the game. I see why people love it and why people hate it. But what i don't get is why the people who love it try to get the people who hate it to like it. That is just a silly notion. That would be like you trying to get me to eat coconut when i hate coconut I'm not gonna try coconut even if you tell me it tasts like pineapple or say you can't taste it in this. Well guess what i can taste coconut in everything that it is in and I hate the taste of it.
I know bad analagy but the same thing. And the people that hate it try to get people who love it to not like it Just blows my mind. Why argue with each other just post your opionin and move on. If everyone just posted there opinion without targeting someone else posts the forums would be a much more informative place. Instead you get 3 pages of two people aguing back and forth trying to change eachothers opinion. It isn't going to happen.
You forgot the "Name one game that forces you to use a torrent to upload a patch and then forces you to install it yourself."
lol
I was pleasantly surprised by this game, honestly.
In several other threads, I've mentioned that I had no intentions of playing this game due to the lack of jumping and my reservations about their new class system. However, I a friend wanted me to play it with him, so I agreed to give it at least a short trial.
I'll admit the ui gave me trouble at first. After so many years playing WoW, LotRO, and Aion, FFXIV's 'non-standard' approach gave me fits. However, now that I've gotten used to...I like it. As corny as it may sound, it makes me feel like I'm playing a Final Fantasy game.
I'm one of the few people who enjoyed LotRO's original combat speed, so the speed of the combat in the game doesn't bother me. The only stumbling block I have so far is switching between single target and aoe spells still feels awkward. However, I think gettting a gamepad of some kind to play the game with will help. It's clearly been designed with one in mind.
Though I wish there were more character appearance options, I've really enjoyed the gameplay. It's a nice change of pace from the game of 'spot the glowy symbol above the npc's head'. I also love that crafters and harvesters have their own classes. I also hope they resist the pressure of implementing an AH-type system - I rather enjoy the idea of being able to be known for the items I craft by name on my realm.
So yep, I'm probably going to preorder. Will I stay with the game? That depends entirely on what I see after launch. But I'm sure that it will be at least worth the purchase of the box.
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I have to agree, its a beta. Its why game reviers wait untill launch to review games.
It is shockingly bad, infact it's a boring, clumsy, asian grindfest.
Must be the cultural differences, watching paint dry would atleast require less menus to be opened.
To the OP,those quad cores for gaming have been over rated bg time,there not very useful.Honestly i don't know for fact,but all i have seen from Square lately,i would say this game is probably not optimized to run on more than one core,i guess someone could set affinity to 1 then both or more to actually see if there is any difference.Also W7 is nothing great it uses more resources tha nXP,so i would't expect much there aside from loading tons of Ram,that XP wouldn't use.
The real speed of a cpu is the cache and only the fastest part i guess they call that L1,really matters.As for performance,that should not really be an issue,i have a low end machine and i can run it,however come launch and hundreds of players,there will be lag city.
One thing i did notice was the game said it was loading instance after instance,so idk maybe there is a limit of so many people per instance,so it could keep lag down.
I wonder if we are going to see VG all over again,a game tries to push the limits a bit and everyone forgets that it is not really feasable.Your ONLY concern should be the game and it's mechanics,if it is fun,go for it,for myself i don't see a good product but that is my opinion.
For those who never played FFXi,then i guess this game can come across as fresh and cool and all of that,but to a FFXI fan,we can see how many lazy ideas Sqaure put in while leaving themlseves open to grinding more money from us...extra players,extra retainers...cha ching !.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well lets be fair about the MACROS,EVERY game uses them on your hotbar icons,you probably just don't realize it is just a simple macro.I do agree however and i have said so,that they SHOULD had had a simpler macro system that allows users to just drag and drop icons.OR at the VERY least,if they want to push a macrosystem where by the plaeyrs enter everything,then at least educate people on the use with a tutorial.
Tutorials are a MUST even for Beta,how on earth are people suppose to test things they don't understand?
I have said it a few times,Square is like all the rest,they really don't care about feedback,all that matters to them is that the paying customer/pre orders can actually login and play,then they are not tied to any possible backlash for money/returns.The pre launch will not dealy,the release will not delay,they will launch this game no matter it's condition,you can bet on it.
BTW let's remember that all these other top games,the players are all downloading add/ons,new UI's ,so neither blizzard nor Soe or any other game has a brilliant setup,otherwise people wouldn't be downloading.
I might add that Square is not known for releasing bugs at all,so i would at least give them until launch to see if they have actually delivered a game that is ready.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well after fighting through the UI issues and the lag issues I was able to play the game. It still seems way more painful to play then it needs to be but I was able to progress a bit.
I think the game is workable if they fix the bugs but still not a very good game. In my opinion the design is rather poor with a lot of things that just are way more difficult then they need to be. that said there is some good lore and if you take the time to read all the npc stuff it does seem like it would be a pretty involved game.
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I was wondering if you'd ever played its predecessor, FFXI? If so, how does FFXIV rate against FFXI?
Well, it's not released yet. So judging that it's still a BETA and not a full game just yet, it does very well for itself. There isn't enough content (ahem, it's a BETA) and it's a bit laggy (again, BETA, not released, BETA) but the combat system is wonderful. Character development is great and the community keeps claiming that the game will fail because of the fatigue system. I, on the other hand, see the fatigue system as a way to steadily explore every class. Some of the classes have strengths to capitalize upon other classes. Not to mention, you will have fewer RMTs selling services to powerlevel. The game isn't even released yet and there are already RMTs selling gil, despite the fact that the servers will be wiped clean with the exception of name reservations. The game is wonderful despite the fact that people are only using the BETA client and not the full fledged game. Lag issues are server side, thus it's everyone's problem right now, but that will change upon release.
FFXI is a great game. It's definitely team oriented and you don't need multiple characters to get the full experience like in many other MMOs. Content IDs cost money, but still, if you are deligent enough and have a good group of people to play with, you can master every class, though it will take a lot of time to do so. FFXI is not a game for "gaining levels" per say, but more about having access. Endgame content, transportation, and some of the greatest gear exist for people who have progressed through the storyline and made a name for themselves storywise, not for people who hit max level, although you need to be strong enough to get through the challenges, and know your class in order to be the most effective member while in a party doing so. Not to mention, the level system isn't character based, but job based. Your jobs gain levels, you can pair that job with another job to combine benefits to a degree. The graphics are dated, but I'm not choosy since I've seen many of crappy games that have wonderful graphics.
On the whole about FFXIV, nobody can fairly judge it as a released MMORPG yet because the issues in the BETA will not necessarily exist in the released version of the game. SquareEnix may have lost some players because of the Open Beta alone, but players like me relish the fact that they can play it and get a taste of what the game will offer.
I hope you decide to play either one, but just keep in mind that there will always be people who have bad things to say about an MMORPG just because it didn't meet their needs. If there are free trials, play them for yourself. If you have money, buy it and try it. If you have nothing but bad things to say about it, make you comments factual an not pure opinion.
You're right, just like every other game that has launched feature incomplete, including WoW and every other major MMO for the past 15 years.
I'm mostly sure this game wont be for me in the near future. I'll consider buying a PS3 to play it when the time comes though. (better 300 bucks on a game system than ~1000 for a new computer)
It has many things in it that I really enjoy. The combat is actually better than some perceive it to be. With the lag it is hard to be sure, but I know there is definite advantages to positional attacks. It also seems you can dodge attacks and prevent specials. Combined with the Battle Regimen system (which I don't comprehend) that allows you to sync attacks for increased and addtional effects, I think it's much better and more entertaining than many state.
I'm enthralled by it's attention to detail. Putting on rings, necklaces, etc. actually visible show on your character. I enjoy the day night cycles and the weather.
The opening cutscenes work really well to draw you in and leave you wondering (why do the main characters have that tattoo on their necks?)
When the game goes live I'm sure the content will be added and a bit of the lag reduced (due to less load).
Unfortunately the UI is laggy, the game is laggy, and neither seem like they will change significantly due to design and server location. To add insult to injury the games performance varies greatly between systems.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
Thanks for the insight. I know it is difficult to judge a game based on the beta, but it can still offer a decent image of what the game will become upon release. That's the only reason I inquire in the first place.
I can say that all of this trash-talk about the game definitely turned me away for a while, but after spending hours reading what people who are experiencing the beta are posting (some of them friends), I am definitely interested again, but I guess that is obvious, or I wouldn't be here posting about it.