Damn, this combined with the other thread makes FF fanbots seem arrogant and confrontational.
Y'know what? You keep your game. I hope it's the best thing in the world for you. Just stay out of mine.
Generalizing is silly 100% of the time.
Saying any portion of a group reflects the entirety of the group is folly.
^ What he said. I was just saying being completely oblivious as to saying the game in beta is the state it will be at during release is ignorant. I would call this next patch a major patch, because it fixes and adds so many things, basically that 6 gigs of info we've been missing, plus altering the bad parts about the game. Like the software mouse is being replaced with a hardware mouse, should make the game run nice.
Damn, this combined with the other thread makes FF fanbots seem arrogant and confrontational.
Y'know what? You keep your game. I hope it's the best thing in the world for you. Just stay out of mine.
Generalizing is silly 100% of the time.
Saying any portion of a group reflects the entirety of the group is folly.
^ What he said. I was just saying being completely oblivious as to saying the game in beta is the state it will be at during release is ignorant. I would call this next patch a major patch, because it fixes and adds so many things, basically that 6 gigs of info we've been missing, plus altering the bad parts about the game. Like the software mouse is being replaced with a hardware mouse, should make the game run nice.
How do you know what it fixes and adds? I can't find anything but a snippit of what they're patching in.
The server message they posted said they are going down for 3 hours starting at 8pm pdt for maintenence, so there are bound to be some changes once they open up again. They had been hotfixing once a day until Sept. 12 with no major patchesso it's about time for one.
You seem to be spamming this everywhere with the ridiculous "pimp slap" comment. It doesn't help your point to try to do damage control by copying and pasting Square PR.
PR speak means nothing.
If anything, you are just supporting the complainers who made a POSSIBLE fix actually possible. Square ignored this feedback in the last 2 phases of beta. Now that people are speaking with their wallets, their tune is changing. However, doing some PR pre-release, does NOT make it reality... When it is actually fixed it will be reality.
While I definitely agree that thorough and critical investigations is good and complaining about bugs and errors found, one might wonder how effective this is when done outside the beta forums and the 'official' forums.
That is, if the goal of the poster(s) is to get the company to listen and make them adjust their priority to-do list of features and bugsolving.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
While I definitely agree that thorough and critical investigations is good and complaining about bugs and errors found, one might wonder how effective this is when done outside the beta forums and the 'official' forums.
That is, if the goal of the poster(s) is to get the company to listen and make them adjust their priority to-do list of features and bugsolving.
It appears to have worked though, hasn't it. Square appears to have taken notice and announced priority in fixing these problems.
Another goal is to spread the word to those interested, to prevent them from wasting money until major problems are fixed.
All I know is that the word has been spread. I cannot find a single person in my clan to play with me, and my best friend's clan has declared that none of them will play... and they play pretty much anything and everything.
It wasn't like Square didn't know of the problems, they just didn't care. They ignored it throughout closed betas. Now that the word has spread and tons of people have canceled and dissuaded their friends, Square has to take notice, and hopefully they have(more than PR promises). However, with negative sentiment on the web, along with what will be horrible reviews when the game comes out, they will be fighting an uphill battle.
Most MMO developers try to work closely with their base to improve the game, but Square seems to have an arrogance about them. They do not communicate with their fans about fixes, etc, and ignore a ton of feedback. Just look how there is no way to submit feedback in open beta as evidence of this.
Hopefully they will learn their lesson, but these forums are indeed important.
It appears to have worked though, hasn't it. Square appears to have taken notice and announced priority in fixing these problems.
(snips)
Hopefully they will learn their lesson, but these forums are indeed important.
If you think the rants and complaints on sites like this one has any effect on the decisions that a company makes, then I feel sorry for you.
But then again, everybody needs his campaign and missions in life, if you think that you make a difference towards a company adjusting their policies and short and long term goals by posting anti FFXIV rants here, then please, feel free to do so.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think beta = release, I've played in >30 betas and purchased many at launch and not once have I failed to see improvements between beta and release... sometimes enough, sometimes not enough, but the game ~always~ improves (and often breaks in new ways due to the huge spike of players at launch.)
It appears to have worked though, hasn't it. Square appears to have taken notice and announced priority in fixing these problems.
(snips)
Hopefully they will learn their lesson, but these forums are indeed important.
If you think the rants and complaints on sites like this one has any effect on the decisions that a company makes, then I feel sorry for you.
But then again, everybody needs his campaign and missions in life, if you think that you make a difference towards a company adjusting their policies and short and long term goals by posting anti FFXIV rants here, then please, feel free to do so.
It was more the amount of pre-orders they lost, but the complaints did help.
FYI, I didn't post my opinions here, I just observed them from others.
If you didn't think that the terrible press has had an effect on Square all of a sudden changing their mind after ignoring complaints since closed beta, you just have your head in the sand.
The reaction to FFXIV beta has been REALLY bad so far... not just here... but clan forums, gaming forums, and word of mouth has been very very bad.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think beta = release, I've played in >30 betas and purchased many at launch and not once have I failed to see improvements between beta and release... sometimes enough, sometimes not enough, but the game ~always~ improves (and often breaks in new ways due to the huge spike of players at launch.)
Funny, I have been playing betas of MMOs since 1998, and never have major systems been revamped in under a week between open beta and release.
It appears to have worked though, hasn't it. Square appears to have taken notice and announced priority in fixing these problems.
(snips)
Hopefully they will learn their lesson, but these forums are indeed important.
If you think the rants and complaints on sites like this one has any effect on the decisions that a company makes, then I feel sorry for you.
But then again, everybody needs his campaign and missions in life, if you think that you make a difference towards a company adjusting their policies and short and long term goals by posting anti FFXIV rants here, then please, feel free to do so.
It was more the amount of pre-orders they lost, but the complaints did help.
FYI, I didn't post my opinions here, I just observed them from others.
If you didn't think that the terrible press has had an effect on Square all of a sudden changing their mind after ignoring complaints since closed beta, you just have your head in the sand.
The reaction to FFXIV beta has been REALLY bad so far... not just here... but clan forums, gaming forums, and word of mouth has been very very bad.
Like some brave misinformed trolls fighting desperate on mmorpg.com forced SE to change their plannings ? Thank you, you have right now saved my day and amde me laugh. Some people really should better learn how companies work. Aside of that is the negative opinion mainly focused at this place around here. From SE I would mainly look on intern complains or on complains on these Beta Forums, than I would consider the main base for that I am aiming and of course The numbers of selling, whcih by the way aside of the forums rant about I willc ancel my preorder actually did grow constantly.
But yes the Clans and all let SE change, it is ok to have dreams.
Okay most of you never heard about FFXI getting a major patch just days before it's official release. No way was the last day of beta going to be the way the game will be on official release. People thinking it is the official release are those playing F2P games where open beta = official release.
It appears to have worked though, hasn't it. Square appears to have taken notice and announced priority in fixing these problems.
(snips)
Hopefully they will learn their lesson, but these forums are indeed important.
If you think the rants and complaints on sites like this one has any effect on the decisions that a company makes, then I feel sorry for you.
But then again, everybody needs his campaign and missions in life, if you think that you make a difference towards a company adjusting their policies and short and long term goals by posting anti FFXIV rants here, then please, feel free to do so.
It was more the amount of pre-orders they lost, but the complaints did help.
FYI, I didn't post my opinions here, I just observed them from others.
If you didn't think that the terrible press has had an effect on Square all of a sudden changing their mind after ignoring complaints since closed beta, you just have your head in the sand.
The reaction to FFXIV beta has been REALLY bad so far... not just here... but clan forums, gaming forums, and word of mouth has been very very bad.
Like some brave misinformed trolls fighting desperate on mmorpg.com forced SE to change their plannings ? Thank you, you have right now saved my day and amde me laugh. Some people really should better learn how companies work. Aside of that is the negative opinion mainly focused at this place around here. From SE I would mainly look on intern complains or on complains on these Beta Forums, than I would consider the main base for that I am aiming and of course The numbers of selling, whcih by the way aside of the forums rant about I willc ancel my preorder actually did grow constantly.
But yes the Clans and all let SE change, it is ok to have dreams.
Except, in reality, that hasn't happened. In reality, many people have canceled their preorders, and many people who were interested, have now played open beta, and won't go near the game.
My best friend messaged me last night and told me that his clan(that I hate) refuse to play the game after open beta, including the players that play every new game that comes out.
This morning I posted on my clan's website, trying to find some players to join me, and so far here are the responses:
"I was in the open beta also and could not stand it. Starting out as a new player was extremely confusing. Combat as a mage sorry, conjurer, was way too much work. I really have nothing good to say about my experiences with that game."
"One of my friends has always been a huge fan of the FF games and he was severily disappointed with the beta and is now refusing to play it completely. I will probibly abstain myself."
If you surround yourself with an echo chamber fan website, it is easy to get the impression that it is just a handful of malcontents, however, it is not even close to the case. Wait until the official reviews come out. The response has been as rancid as I have EVER seen an mmo get a week before release.
Originally posted by Selphares Aside of that is the negative opinion mainly focused at this place around here. From SE I would mainly look on intern complains or on complains on these Beta Forums, than I would consider the main base for that I am aiming and of course The numbers of selling, whcih by the way aside of the forums rant about I willc ancel my preorder actually did grow constantly.
Please don't use google translaters. Reading this gave me a headache
Actually I never use google translator and I am not exactly bad in english either. Special compared to otehrs that try to use my language. It just happens when I am a bit to excited about a topic I tend to well write to fast than it is good for me.
But to make it short and easy for you and others:
It is ulikely that SE changed their goals and plannings from the feedback from sites like mmorpg.com, more liekly that it is from freeback from their forums and japanese pages and as for selling numbers....
since when is internal beta testing preferred over public? more eyes mean more bugs found, even idiots find bugs that are random and the devs just dont have manpower to find. so the answer is, never. thats why bliz public tests everything and releases it with high expectations being met.
some of yo ureally need to pull of your blinders and see whats there not what you want to be there.
go ahead and pay me now and i'll send you something valuable in 6 months..
thats what you think if you beleive MMO companies. and third world third class mmos dont count, its easy to achive your target if your goal is so low a high school kid could program for you.
dont beleive it till you see it, especially with MMOs.
they are going to sit there and tell you how awesome it is and whats coming down the pike... years from now and you act as if its already tested and ready to be in game.
OMG THERES ALL THIS CONTENT WE JUST WAIT TO PUT IT IN TILL LAST MINUTE..
release it early and public test it or push the release date. but i guess some of you enjoy empty feelings. 6 months from now it might have decent content but not as much as if they would learn lessons from other games instead of trying to incorporate its successors failures just because it shares the name.
what do you expect from people who run around playing as midget babies in pajamas... midget babies in pajamas..
Oh shut up! In 10 years of FFXI i have not seen ~ONE~ feature that was officially announced for the next patch missing at the patch day.
Thats why SE does not give out information until the last moment possible. Thats why everyone says they do not communicate enough.
They don't announce anything until they 100% sure they can deliver.
They have always started to give out information about a new patch 2 weeks before release. Slowly posting more and more detailed information about the patch.
Come patch day EVERY SINGLE THING will be implemented. Thats how SE has operated for the last 10 years and thats how they continue now.
Sure, they have a shitty customer service, they might even be slightly biased towards the JP players/communities. But one thing is sure. They NEVER lied to anyone about the contents of a patch, expansion or update.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
Actually I never use google translator and I am not exactly bad in english either. Special compared to otehrs that try to use my language. It just happens when I am a bit to excited about a topic I tend to well write to fast than it is good for me.
But to make it short and easy for you and others:
It is ulikely that SE changed their goals and plannings from the feedback from sites like mmorpg.com, more liekly that it is from freeback from their forums and japanese pages and as for selling numbers....
well not looks like they had a horrible breakdown recently.
I only see FPS on the top preorders. Something you can't compare a MMO with.
What you can compare though is WoW Cataclysm, a game that according to Blizzard has 10 million users has only 260k preorders (2.6%) compared to a new unreleased MMO like FFXIV that has 181k preorders i would say is quite impressive.
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
Actually I never use google translator and I am not exactly bad in english either. Special compared to otehrs that try to use my language. It just happens when I am a bit to excited about a topic I tend to well write to fast than it is good for me.
But to make it short and easy for you and others:
It is ulikely that SE changed their goals and plannings from the feedback from sites like mmorpg.com, more liekly that it is from freeback from their forums and japanese pages and as for selling numbers....
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think beta = release, I've played in >30 betas and purchased many at launch and not once have I failed to see improvements between beta and release... sometimes enough, sometimes not enough, but the game ~always~ improves (and often breaks in new ways due to the huge spike of players at launch.)
Funny, I have been playing betas of MMOs since 1998, and never have major systems been revamped in under a week between open beta and release.
Yeah, because they only started working on these things in the last few days at the same time they released information on them. I mean surely they wouldn't start working on major changes to their game without first consulting you, amarite! So there is no way that these changes have been under construction for weeks now. Surely they only shoot from the hip like an American teenager presenting an unprepared book report.
One thing you need to understand about the japanese is that they don't EVER make a promise in their own country that they can't keep. EVER! They don't make a resonable promise and then expect people to understand that shit happens. They don't make stupid promises and then make up excuses. They simply don't promise until they are ready to deliver. They may not care what Americans think but these announcements were made in Japan, in Japanese and the game is releasing everywhere, including Japan all on the same day. We may be having trouble with the translation but you can bet there is nothing in there that will not happen because they would loose face as a company if they did. Not just loose some of their loyal Japanese gamer fans. I mean, CEOs jumping off the fckin roof because of their unacceptable failure, kind of loosing face.
That's why they didn't promise anything specific until one week before release. The goods are already tested and in a patch update ready to go.
While the OP is correct it does apear that SE is makign desired changes +1.
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Objection! You're supposed t o count each TaruTaru as half a person.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/446/view/forums/thread/291317/Square-Enix-Speaks-at-Prerelease-party.html
No troll, YOU'VE just been pimp slapped by SE.
missed something
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
Damn, this combined with the other thread makes FF fanbots seem arrogant and confrontational.
Y'know what? You keep your game. I hope it's the best thing in the world for you. Just stay out of mine.
Generalizing is silly 100% of the time.
Saying any portion of a group reflects the entirety of the group is folly.
^ What he said. I was just saying being completely oblivious as to saying the game in beta is the state it will be at during release is ignorant. I would call this next patch a major patch, because it fixes and adds so many things, basically that 6 gigs of info we've been missing, plus altering the bad parts about the game. Like the software mouse is being replaced with a hardware mouse, should make the game run nice.
How do you know what it fixes and adds? I can't find anything but a snippit of what they're patching in.
The server message they posted said they are going down for 3 hours starting at 8pm pdt for maintenence, so there are bound to be some changes once they open up again. They had been hotfixing once a day until Sept. 12 with no major patchesso it's about time for one.
You seem to be spamming this everywhere with the ridiculous "pimp slap" comment. It doesn't help your point to try to do damage control by copying and pasting Square PR.
PR speak means nothing.
If anything, you are just supporting the complainers who made a POSSIBLE fix actually possible. Square ignored this feedback in the last 2 phases of beta. Now that people are speaking with their wallets, their tune is changing. However, doing some PR pre-release, does NOT make it reality... When it is actually fixed it will be reality.
While I definitely agree that thorough and critical investigations is good and complaining about bugs and errors found, one might wonder how effective this is when done outside the beta forums and the 'official' forums.
That is, if the goal of the poster(s) is to get the company to listen and make them adjust their priority to-do list of features and bugsolving.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
It appears to have worked though, hasn't it. Square appears to have taken notice and announced priority in fixing these problems.
Another goal is to spread the word to those interested, to prevent them from wasting money until major problems are fixed.
All I know is that the word has been spread. I cannot find a single person in my clan to play with me, and my best friend's clan has declared that none of them will play... and they play pretty much anything and everything.
It wasn't like Square didn't know of the problems, they just didn't care. They ignored it throughout closed betas. Now that the word has spread and tons of people have canceled and dissuaded their friends, Square has to take notice, and hopefully they have(more than PR promises). However, with negative sentiment on the web, along with what will be horrible reviews when the game comes out, they will be fighting an uphill battle.
Most MMO developers try to work closely with their base to improve the game, but Square seems to have an arrogance about them. They do not communicate with their fans about fixes, etc, and ignore a ton of feedback. Just look how there is no way to submit feedback in open beta as evidence of this.
Hopefully they will learn their lesson, but these forums are indeed important.
If you think the rants and complaints on sites like this one has any effect on the decisions that a company makes, then I feel sorry for you.
But then again, everybody needs his campaign and missions in life, if you think that you make a difference towards a company adjusting their policies and short and long term goals by posting anti FFXIV rants here, then please, feel free to do so.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You have to be a special kind of stupid to think beta = release, I've played in >30 betas and purchased many at launch and not once have I failed to see improvements between beta and release... sometimes enough, sometimes not enough, but the game ~always~ improves (and often breaks in new ways due to the huge spike of players at launch.)
Shadus
It was more the amount of pre-orders they lost, but the complaints did help.
FYI, I didn't post my opinions here, I just observed them from others.
If you didn't think that the terrible press has had an effect on Square all of a sudden changing their mind after ignoring complaints since closed beta, you just have your head in the sand.
The reaction to FFXIV beta has been REALLY bad so far... not just here... but clan forums, gaming forums, and word of mouth has been very very bad.
Funny, I have been playing betas of MMOs since 1998, and never have major systems been revamped in under a week between open beta and release.
Like some brave misinformed trolls fighting desperate on mmorpg.com forced SE to change their plannings ? Thank you, you have right now saved my day and amde me laugh. Some people really should better learn how companies work. Aside of that is the negative opinion mainly focused at this place around here. From SE I would mainly look on intern complains or on complains on these Beta Forums, than I would consider the main base for that I am aiming and of course The numbers of selling, whcih by the way aside of the forums rant about I willc ancel my preorder actually did grow constantly.
But yes the Clans and all let SE change, it is ok to have dreams.
Okay most of you never heard about FFXI getting a major patch just days before it's official release. No way was the last day of beta going to be the way the game will be on official release. People thinking it is the official release are those playing F2P games where open beta = official release.
Except, in reality, that hasn't happened. In reality, many people have canceled their preorders, and many people who were interested, have now played open beta, and won't go near the game.
My best friend messaged me last night and told me that his clan(that I hate) refuse to play the game after open beta, including the players that play every new game that comes out.
This morning I posted on my clan's website, trying to find some players to join me, and so far here are the responses:
"I was in the open beta also and could not stand it. Starting out as a new player was extremely confusing. Combat as a mage sorry, conjurer, was way too much work. I really have nothing good to say about my experiences with that game."
"One of my friends has always been a huge fan of the FF games and he was severily disappointed with the beta and is now refusing to play it completely. I will probibly abstain myself."
If you surround yourself with an echo chamber fan website, it is easy to get the impression that it is just a handful of malcontents, however, it is not even close to the case. Wait until the official reviews come out. The response has been as rancid as I have EVER seen an mmo get a week before release.
Please don't use google translaters. Reading this gave me a headache
Actually I never use google translator and I am not exactly bad in english either. Special compared to otehrs that try to use my language. It just happens when I am a bit to excited about a topic I tend to well write to fast than it is good for me.
But to make it short and easy for you and others:
It is ulikely that SE changed their goals and plannings from the feedback from sites like mmorpg.com, more liekly that it is from freeback from their forums and japanese pages and as for selling numbers....
http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php
well not looks like they had a horrible breakdown recently.
Oh shut up! In 10 years of FFXI i have not seen ~ONE~ feature that was officially announced for the next patch missing at the patch day.
Thats why SE does not give out information until the last moment possible. Thats why everyone says they do not communicate enough.
They don't announce anything until they 100% sure they can deliver.
They have always started to give out information about a new patch 2 weeks before release. Slowly posting more and more detailed information about the patch.
Come patch day EVERY SINGLE THING will be implemented. Thats how SE has operated for the last 10 years and thats how they continue now.
Sure, they have a shitty customer service, they might even be slightly biased towards the JP players/communities. But one thing is sure. They NEVER lied to anyone about the contents of a patch, expansion or update.
I only see FPS on the top preorders. Something you can't compare a MMO with.
What you can compare though is WoW Cataclysm, a game that according to Blizzard has 10 million users has only 260k preorders (2.6%) compared to a new unreleased MMO like FFXIV that has 181k preorders i would say is quite impressive.
I admit it makes more sense when it is compared to the numbers from the week before:
http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php?date=40426
not really looks like the preorders fall in numbers.
Yeah, because they only started working on these things in the last few days at the same time they released information on them. I mean surely they wouldn't start working on major changes to their game without first consulting you, amarite! So there is no way that these changes have been under construction for weeks now. Surely they only shoot from the hip like an American teenager presenting an unprepared book report.
One thing you need to understand about the japanese is that they don't EVER make a promise in their own country that they can't keep. EVER! They don't make a resonable promise and then expect people to understand that shit happens. They don't make stupid promises and then make up excuses. They simply don't promise until they are ready to deliver. They may not care what Americans think but these announcements were made in Japan, in Japanese and the game is releasing everywhere, including Japan all on the same day. We may be having trouble with the translation but you can bet there is nothing in there that will not happen because they would loose face as a company if they did. Not just loose some of their loyal Japanese gamer fans. I mean, CEOs jumping off the fckin roof because of their unacceptable failure, kind of loosing face.
That's why they didn't promise anything specific until one week before release. The goods are already tested and in a patch update ready to go.
All die, so die well.
While the OP is correct it does apear that SE is makign desired changes +1.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine