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Terrible Preformance
De4dd0g
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This game has the worst preformance if you're not running a high end computer.... I'm not even sure why they are designing games like this when people aren't spending that kind of money on computers.
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works fine for me and I have a very mediocre computer from wal mart only thing upgraded is the graphics card and its still a cheap one. I can run the settings on max with no issues besides the server caused lag.
Who's not spending money? I just did a $500 upgrade to play?
The business model is to get people to play who have money. If you do not have a high end computer your less likely to have extra money to play. If they wanted everyone to play it would be a FTP game with an item shop.
I just spent £700+ on my computer , so im not sure where your getting that idea from , its time people started to move on and upgraded we all cant live in the stone ages for ever.... so if you dont upgrade DONT moan about Performance!!! theres only one person to blame.
Relax people, the reason the game is so hardware intensive right now is because of all the debug code in it. Once it's out of beta and free from debug code, it will run smoother.
Sure glad my name's not people... cause i AM spending that kind of money.
Mine cost me three times that amount but I can see both sides of this thing.
They are doing the same thing as AoC did at launch, limiting the possible number of players. On the other hand is AoC over 2 years and still look like it was released yesterday, and good graphics do sell games to the ones that can play it.
Some people just can't afford to pay that kind of money, it is very different from 50 Euro for the game and then sub fee every month, many people can either just afford an used computer or to buy a new every 5 years or so.
And it is still hard times, people have been and are getting fired and therefor can't afford new stuff like that, and they might on the other hand have a lot of spare time so playing a MMO might be a good way to get things of the mind.
My opinion is however that it is good that some high end games comes out while others have lower reqs, that means you still can find games no matter if you love high end graphics or have an old computer.
Well it sounds to me like players who enjoy FFXIV live in a...Fantasy, at least on the thread: For example.
Here we have one person who runs a wal mart special and a weak/cheap graphics card.
Then there is this player reporting that a high end PC is all about playing the game: "im not sure where your getting that idea from , its time people started to move on and upgraded we all cant live in the stone ages for ever.... so if you dont upgrade DONT moan about Performance!!! theres only one person to blame."
So, check it out FF fans, go to wall mart, grab a cheap computer and any old grafic card and jump in...the waters fine eh?
Performance depends on many settings and my 80 bucks ati 4850 1gb and a phenom x4 940 with 3 ghz make a very smooth gameplay at 1920x1200 at highest settings, OS win7 x64 and 8 gb of ram - only the mouse is laggy but thats is a design flaw.
On the other hand my fathers similar pc with an older ati 3850 512 mb cant handle 1600x1200 smooth so we reduce settings till it feels ok.
At last every player has a different idea what "good performmance" is...
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
The OP is yet another thread on an 'old' statement. Hopefully a mod will wake up in near future, have some coffee and blearily lock the thread.
In all the "performance sucks" threads I see pop up, there are two points I seldom see touched on:
1. What is "good performance" to you? That question is entirely subjective and there is no one "right answer".
2. What settings are you trying to run the game at?
In answer to the first question, I've seen people complain that XIV runs poorly for them because they demand no less than 60FPS at all times, under all conditions, and XIV doesn't provide that. Oh yeah,and they expect that with all settings on max.
Then you have those who, like myself, are satisfied as long as they can achieve playable performance or better under most circumstances. I expect a bit of lag or chop if I'm in a small area with numerous other players right around me. It's to be expected... that's a lot of data for the CPU to deal with.
And, loading lag can be optimized and streamlined as well. Even WoW, with its famously "low system specs" had a really bad lag problem in populated areas until they streamlined and optimized it... Lagforge anyone?
And then of course there are various other responses and expectations.
In answer to the second question, it really does depend on what settings you have enabled. Are people trying to run the game at settings beyond their system's capabilities? If so, then yes... they're going to get poor performance. Is their system becoming a bit long in the tooth overall? Then, yes, the game is going to give it a serious work out.
I'm on a system whose processor is at the absolute bottom of the "minimum requirements" list and, in fact, might not even make it. Thanks to my video card, though, I'm able to run the game. However, I still have to keep the settings around the mid-range to make it play acceptably on my system.... which is fine. When I upgrade my system, I know I'll be able to notch it a bit higher... and higher again down the road when I decide it's time for another upgrade. As it stands right now, I get about ~20 FPS in more populated areas, and upwards of 80FPS out in the wilderness... but typically hover around ~50FPS. For me, that's plenty.
On another note... SE already stated that at this point, only the absolute most powerful systems out there would be able to run XIV at maximum settings, with all features enabled, and all quality levels set at their highest. This is by design. However, as time goes on and the average PC becomes more powerful (as they do), people will still have room to increase the overall quality of the game, as well as the performance. When you're talking about a game like a MMO that's intended to last for years, that's a very smart way to go about it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I'm just going to randomly make up some number that have a shot at being true.
Lets say people fit into the following 3 categories:
Good Performance: 20%
Average Performance: 60%
Poor Performance: 20%
I think these numbers are extremely generous at this point. I'm not even sure if there is a rig on the planet that can max the settings in a town. I personally fall into the poor performance as turning everything possible to the bottom still gives me 15 fps with some stuttering. I got like an 1100 or something on their benchmark.
So even with generous numbers they lose 20% of the player base. After watching the release of EQ2, I will never understand why MMO developers pump the graphics to the point of challenging brand new systems. In my opinion, it's just a bad development move.
I also kind of have a soft spot for all those FFXI players that won't be able to run it that have a bunch of their friends move over.
I really do hope you are right. But what I can recall from other betas the performance in OB tells alot how the "gold" version will do.
I myself spends alot of cash to keep my pc up to date. And if a game cant give me the fps I ve paid for they wont get anything from me.
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But couldn't that be said of any game?
Would those same people not also run the risk of buying a new single player game that their system falls short of being able to run smoothly without having to turn the settings down, or purchase some upgrades?
Yet, buy them they do, and play them they do... at lower settings if need be. I see videos all the time of people playing various single player or even multiplayer games at medium or low settings, and still run rather poorly regardless... Yet no one complains about those.
We can even look at the upgrading issue. I've seen thread after thread after thread after thread of people talking about upgrading their video card, or their whole system to run a new singleplayer game at max settings... and people are all "woot! Nice upgrade!". Yet... talk about a MMORPG, and suddenly it becomes "how dare they force me to upgrade to run it well?!?! FAIL!!!"...
Just like the control issue... people seem to hold MMORPGs to a different "standard' than single player games.
They'll learn 100 different control schemes for 100 different single player games and never think twice about it. Give them a MMO whose controls are different than any 2 others they've played, though, and they freak out and cry "fail!".
Same goes for graphics.. People will, and always have, readily run a single player game on medium or lower settings to accomodate their system being less than optimal for it, or spend hundreds for an upgrade to run it... and they're fine. Give them a MMO, though, and suddenly they *demand* it run beautifully at settings well above what they would even set a single player game without having to pay a dime.
People are strange.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
It just alienates part of the player base. It's not that big of a deal.
In the end, there are better ways to develop MMO graphics and make them look really great without bringing the newest Alienware to it's knees. LotRO was a really good example of this. AoC was not. And FFIV might be the roughest on current PCs to date.
My PC has an 8800 that I bought in 2007 for $300 or something. It has a 10k rpm hard drive an athlon 6400 dual core 3.2 GHz and 4 gigs of 800 MHz dual sided ram. Basically, it's a really nice machine from three years ago.
3 years later, it can play Crysis on really high settings but not FFIV. Strange design decision if you ask me.
Edit: Spelling.
you just based a game off beta release, fail more
Well.. beta release 1 week before launch.
This is probably the most hilariout thing i've read in the Forum and that's saying something. You are basically arguing that Square don't want to make money and deliberatly try to alienate 90% of their target audience because they are some kind of virtual country-club for "people with money".
Newsflash 1: Targetplattform is PS3, hardly the most expensive piece of hardware on the market.
Newsflash 2: Thinking that being able to afford a 500 $ upgrade makes you "people with money" cracked me up real hard.
Newsflash 3: MMOs with Itemshops tend to be way more expensive than those with a fixed fee.
But again... that's where subjectivity comes in.
What is acceptable performance to you? What settings are you trying to run it on?
I'm on a CPU that you can't even buy anymore - at least not without a lot of digging. I'm on a motherboard that is pretty much a giant silicone bottleneck for my graphics card and, really... my graphics card is the only thing making the game at all playable.. yet, fo me, it runs just fine. Am I blazing at 60FPS in the middle of town, or around a crowded aetheryte crystal? No. Can I play, control the game and interact with objects regardless? Yep. And when I'm away from all those people, around fewer players overall, or way out in the wilderness, I sit at a comfortable ~50FPS, sometimes spiking up to around 80.
Again... even World of Warcraft, often hailed for its ability to run well on old hardware had serious lag problems some time back in cities.. Again, Lagforge should ring a bell to anyone who was around. It wasn't the graphics causing the issues.. it was how the game was designed initially to handle large numbers of players in a small area. At first it was completely unoptimized. Over time, Blizzard improved it and it's no longer a problem. SE, I'm sure, will do the same.
As far as Crysis goes... Crysis came out in 2007, around the same time as you got your brand-new video card. So, yes, it was optimized for what was cutting-edge at that time. Computer hardware becomes outdated pretty quickly. Something a year old these days is practically ancient.
And of course, you can't forget that Crysis - even being multiplayer - is not nearly as complex and does not have to track nearly the amount of data that a MMORPG has to. They're completely different animals. Comparing a single player game to a MMORPG is pointless.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Agreed. Computer hardware gets outdated quickly.
So I and many others take a pass and move toward other brand new games that do run nicely on our outdated machines. It's not a big deal.
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Yeah I link that a lot. It confuses and perplexes me that people with subpar systems run the game at much higher settings and say it plays fine. Something is fishy somewhere.
I think it might be highly subjective. Objectively frame rates of 30+ on average is a pretty standard expectation.
I also suspect the software mouse lends to the perception of poor performance.
Drop the next-gen marketing and people will argue if the game itself has merit.
Graphic cards age very fast and non one can await a piece of hardware that is 3 generations behind today can run a todays game at full settings.
So what really happen is, that developers cheat people and make mediocre video settings named as the best highest settings in their games options and people believe they have a good pc that can handle the most advanced graphic while it is only outdated technology and feel good and proud.
If a developer offers higher quality graphic and wants people to choose settings to fit their specific computer and that settings are not the highest ones people feel they have old hardware and their ego is hurt bcs their once highend pc is now outdated and they have fallen behind the competition - then they start to cry...
For the performance - i was in the market area with a huge amount of vendor-npc standaround its smooth, what makes you lag is the collision detection that stops you every time your avatar touches one of this vendor npc or another player avatar.
In the city the performance is good too with many people around but loading may take a while...
The settings in the start menu as well as the ingame settings allow to tailor the parameters for smooth gaming to a specific pc.
Reduce resolution, lower shadow and texture quality, disable physic, etc...
As is stated b4 an ati 4850 1gb can handle any situation at highest settings i have encountered yet while an ati 3850 512mb needs reduced settings. A Nvidia 8800 is not so much faster than the ati 3x series...
Personally i am surprised how well the performance is in the game that looks so good!
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
MWO Music Video - What does the Mech say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF6HYNqCDLI
Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0x2iwK0BKM
After I turned the settings down to make the performance nice and used that hardware mouse that was floating around, it was playable.
For me personally, it just took too much away from the experience. It still ran choppy at points and it looked... I don't know, blocky. The UI looked like it was in my native resolution, but the world did not look good at all.
Edit: I didn't care about running it on max, but when I did turn the graphics down, I was amazed at how poor it looked on the low settings.
Anyway, the people with PCs like mine should at least be aware of this.
Again as WSIMike suggested i'd like you people who say that it runs "good" and "smooth" on rigs, that barely surpass the mimimum requirements to just state what fps they are getting, that's the only viable comparison really. For me anything below 30 fps is not "good" or "smooth" in my personal perception but i know a lot of people (mostly those hwo play consoles most of the time) who perceive 15-20 fps as "good" and "smooth". I don't want to diss any of them, it's just habitualized perception.
I run on a m11x notebook that I bought for $1000 and everything runs great with settings at the middle. You only need a high end computer if you want to set everything to max.
I want a MMO that i'll probably spend 4-5+ enjoying so I kinda would expect performance at launch to push the limits a bit of todays computers. I'd hate to start with lessor graphics and have it looking old compared to games comming out in the next couple years.
That being said I was pretty suprised at how well it ran on my present day computer (core2duo E6850 @3.0 GHz, 8800GTx2, ASUS P5N32-E SLI Mb, and Intel 80G SSD, Windows 7 64bit) which was decent but not pushing the edge 3.5 years ago.
Scored 2725 on the FFXIV bench on high. I do keep this computer very clean and up to date, no over clock.
In game I get 40-50 fps (fraps) unless im near a ton of people or in town... at low points around people i'll go to 15-25 fps (fraps). 1680x1050 resolution, very stable with 1 ctd since beginning of open beta. Settings on high, AO off, AAx4.
For how nice the graphics look I'm pretty impressed especially the stability. It feels very playable using the hardware mouse addon (hate the software mouse...makes...everything....feel....so....sllloooowwww!!!)
I recommend windowerXIV with the hardware mouse, makes the game very playable when dealing with the menus.
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As I have an older machine I know its time to upgrade so I did put on 2 evga 460 EE superclocked cards 3 days ago.
Scored 2811 on the FFXIV bench on high, everything else the same. Bottleneck is obviously cpu.
Not bad at all IMO for a 3.5 year old machine. I'm not sure how people can complain unless their computer isn't set up correctly.
It is time to upgrade to for many other games comming out in the next couple years so probably will try to get 4-5 years out of a Intel 980x and rampage III setup as my next build.
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