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FFXIV Release = 22 GB; Open Beta = 9 GB

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  • adam_noxadam_nox Member UncommonPosts: 2,148

    Originally posted by sephiroth112

    Originally posted by Rytif


    Originally posted by Terikan3

    pro tip, other SE titles weren't MMOs, except for DING DING DING! the one that got beta tested.  MMOs that aren't tested extensively with a public beta end up with HUGE problems.  There is little that isn't being tested in the public or closed beta right now. 

    Some of you just need to listen to veteran mmo players, not just people who've played 1 or 2 and have never seen the pre to post-release process.

    Ok, veteran couch potato. Tell us how a MMORPG is suppose to be tested so it may defeat the oh great World Of Warcraft?

    maybe you are WoW lover and you can't think well becuase only thing the crap addon gear score

    so you are fail and you cant doing nothing

    when you have another mmorpg and have high lvl in puther game you can talk for while stop playing wow

    exibit A that ffxiv is for intellectuals.

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Originally posted by Terikan3

    Originally posted by sephiroth112


    Originally posted by Rytif


    Originally posted by Terikan3

    pro tip, other SE titles weren't MMOs, except for DING DING DING! the one that got beta tested.  MMOs that aren't tested extensively with a public beta end up with HUGE problems.  There is little that isn't being tested in the public or closed beta right now. 

    Some of you just need to listen to veteran mmo players, not just people who've played 1 or 2 and have never seen the pre to post-release process.

    Ok, veteran couch potato. Tell us how a MMORPG is suppose to be tested so it may defeat the oh great World Of Warcraft?

    maybe you are WoW lover and you can't think well becuase only thing the crap addon gear score

    so you are fail and you cant doing nothing

    when you have another mmorpg and have high lvl in puther game you can talk for while stop playing wow

    exibit A that ffxiv is for intellectuals.

    Rather bigoted to declare a foreigner's English skills are a sign they're stupid.

    In any case, I've seen far stupider comments from FFXIV's detractors deleted from these boards, so lets just call it even.

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by valkyriepc

    Originally posted by twrule


    Originally posted by valkyriepc


    Originally posted by twrule


    Originally posted by Shannia


    Originally posted by Hrayr2148

    Source...

     

    http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=1284668596301028228&page=1

     

    I really don't know how much more content is going to be in the release version so i'm not going to guess.  But, the fact that you have 13 GB's worth of "more" stuff seems to be very interesting.

     

     

    That's why all these "gloom and doom" posters saying there was no content in FFXIV didn't know what they were talking about.  From the start of closed beta and the start of open beta, the devs have repeatedly said, what we see is a small fraction of what we'll get at release.  I'm very excited for the future of this game.

    Except that many of those posters (myself included) were disappointed with the number of modes of play available, which doesn't seem like it's going to change at launch.  You've got story, you've got guildleves, perhaps those NPCs that sometimes recruit people to kill mobs...and?  Since guildleves pretty much boil down to grinding with extra xp attached, and the same with those hunting NPCS...and the storyline is 70% watching cutscenes, 20% running between NPCs that trigger them, and 10% actual gameplay...that doesn't leave a whole lot of variety.

    I played both open and closed beta, and I fully understood that they intentionally left the majority of the content out...but if there aren't other styles of content to look forward to besides story/moviewatching or grinding, it's no wonder people are upset.  SE has said nothing about releasing new pre-endgame content (besides releasing more zones for you to grind and do guildleves in, and continuation of the story), and this discrepancy in file sizes does nothing to say that will change without making some baseless assumptions (which I am not willing to make).

    SE has release "pre-endgame" content, such as NM's. Hell there are even pics of them up on FFXIVcore.com now. Go there and read the 3 full posts of translations about content that was purposely left out of the open beta that is making its way into the launch, as well as all the fixes to the problems that plenty of people were complaining about saying "SE DOESN'T LISTEN TO US.....WAHHHHHH"

    I've seen the announcements for NMs.  That hardly counts as an alternative style of content in my eyes, nor does it do much to address my concerns.  According that same information you pointed me to, many of them will be attached to guildleves as well.  I couldn't find anything that could be construed as a separate content type in that information you pointed me to, besides perhaps faction leves, which I already knew about and require you to complete a certain number of guildleves to even unlock, which means maybe you'll get to do some a couple times a week?  If there's something I've missed, let me know.

    I was talking more along the lines of something such as normal quests, like the ones they had in FFXI, or maybe one or two alternate game modes, like FFXI had conquest battles, the beseiged system, special dungeon content you could do at mid levels, etc.

    FFXI didn't have any of those things at launch or even a year after launch when it launched officially for NA. There is the behest system. They are implementing a pvp system, and to me the wording reads there will be something like the conquest system with the order of the dragons or something along those lines. 

    You can't really compare FFXI to FFXIV. For one, you didn't play FFXI until it was a year old and had an expansion already, and thats if you played RIGHT at the NA launch. I guess you can give FFXIV a year to mature and get an expansion under its belt, then compare it apples to apples.

    As for anything more than Guildleves. Who knows. Nothing has really been stated. But is your issue with the guildleve system itself or is it the cooldown that irks you? If its the cooldown;

    Guildleve availability/cooldown

    Right now, there is a 2 day cooldown for guildleves. This is not enough for a single person, but the aim was that people would share guildleves to extend this time. This is why we have the leve-link and the bonus rewards for higher difficulty selection, to make it more rewarding and better exp/skill gains to play in a party. However, the time was just too long, and we heard many complaints of this nature, so we will shorten it. With that, we can see the problem with having to travel via teleport more frequently, so we are currently tweaking an anima regen increase.

    things are being adjusted to make their core system more fluid. Who knows the the cooldown will be reduced to, but atleast they realize that people feel jipped by a 2 day cooldown and are addressing it.

    I know it had already been out for a year - and yes, I did play day one of NA launch.  Even then it had normal quests which I'm pretty sure were in since JP launch (except of course the advance job ones and other Zilart content).  Normal quests to that tune would probably have been enough to keep me satisfied in FFXIV, atleast for awhile.

    Not only that, FFXIV has had an abnormally lengthy development cycle - they've been working on this thing for over 5 years now, I kind of expected more.

    If you're saying that I should wait another year and see what kind of shape the game is in then, well...that's pretty much what I was planning on doing.  I guess we'll see.

  • DignaDigna Member UncommonPosts: 1,994

    I am waiting FF 100% and counting the days. My only fear is 6GB on the OB patcher... (I know it got somewhat better over time).

    I hope they have a different mechanic in place or my pre-order on the the 22nd will see me playing sometime on the 30th!

  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005

    Everyone knows that more gigabytes = better games! Man cant wait with so many GB how can I not have fun in this game! Pre-order now there will be 22GB!

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by rav3n2

    Everyone knows that more gigabytes = better games! Man cant wait with so many GB how can I not have fun in this game! Pre-order now there will be 22GB!

     

    I remember the commercial for Super Metroid way back in the day. It was like:

     

    OVER 32 MEGABYTES!!!

     

    And I was like:

     

    You guys must be lazy programmers!

     

    Edit: good game though.

  • maskedtearsmaskedtears Member UncommonPosts: 345

    I'm really curious as to what makes people think FFXIV won't have SE's trademark story quests? I'm very curious....

    Besides that I'm sure the Company infrastructure is going to take up a bit of that stuff. We didn't see any Companies in Beta. We only had linkshells which are just for chatting.... 

    You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.

  • Mellow44Mellow44 Member Posts: 599

    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by rav3n2

    Everyone knows that more gigabytes = better games! Man cant wait with so many GB how can I not have fun in this game! Pre-order now there will be 22GB!

     

    I remember the commercial for Super Metroid way back in the day. It was like:

     

    OVER 32 MEGABYTES!!!

     

    And I was like:

     

    You guys must be lazy programmers!

     

    Edit: good game though.

    Actually it was 32 Megs which is mega bits and not mega bytes so in essence 4MB.

    I think the largest SNES cartridge got to 48 Megs a.k.a 6MB for some J-RPG that never got translated for the gaijin market.

    The Neo Geo had games that reached over 200 Megs but it was like the Porsche of game consoles of it's time.

    All those memories will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

  • Hrayr2148Hrayr2148 Member Posts: 649

    Originally posted by rav3n2

    Everyone knows that more gigabytes = better games! Man cant wait with so many GB how can I not have fun in this game! Pre-order now there will be 22GB!

    I think you missed the point of this whole topic.... lol

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by maskedtears

    I'm really curious as to what makes people think FFXIV won't have SE's trademark story quests? I'm very curious....

    Trademark?  They were in FFXI, but that alone is not an indication that they will be in FFXIV.

    As far as I'm aware (and I've been following this game quite closely until just recently - I have a sticky on FFXIVCore, or did lol), SE has made no mention of story quests being in the game.  They hyped guildleves throughout, but never any "oh btw we'll have normal quests too" in there.  They weren't in either beta either, and still no word from SE about them even when people have expressed concerns over the lack of content.  I've no reason to believe they will be in the game.

  • maskedtearsmaskedtears Member UncommonPosts: 345

    Originally posted by twrule

    Originally posted by maskedtears

    I'm really curious as to what makes people think FFXIV won't have SE's trademark story quests? I'm very curious....

    Trademark?  They were in FFXI, but that alone is not an indication that they will be in FFXIV.

    As far as I'm aware (and I've been following this game quite closely until just recently - I have a sticky on FFXIVCore, or did lol), SE has made no mention of story quests being in the game.  They hyped guildleves throughout, but never any "oh btw we'll have normal quests too" in there.  They weren't in either beta either, and still no word from SE about them even when people have expressed concerns over the lack of content.  I've no reason to believe they will be in the game.

    SE is all about storyline and I don't think they would randomly stop. Come Wednesday we'll see.

    You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.

  • natuxatunatuxatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,364

    Eh I don't think the story was all the interesting or engaging in FFXI. I LOVED FFXI do NOT get me wrong... I just couldn't tell you a thing about the actual story other than I remember a Tarutaru activating something.

    So hopefully the story FORMAT is much more improved in FFXIV.

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  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by maskedtears

    I'm really curious as to what makes people think FFXIV won't have SE's trademark story quests? I'm very curious....

    Besides that I'm sure the Company infrastructure is going to take up a bit of that stuff. We didn't see any Companies in Beta. We only had linkshells which are just for chatting.... 

    Oh, after launch, when the various other things SE have talked about over the past months are finally revealed, along with the deep, involved storylines the series is known for (including FFXI) and all these gripes about "the game being shallow" or whatever are proven wrong... I'm fully expecting at least *one* person is going to say something like:

    "Yeah... Big deal. They rushed to get all that in in the last month of development and only because people complained. All of that should have been in the game by the beginning of Beta. That they waited until the last minute to add all those storylines and all that extra content just shows they don't know what they're doing and are lazy".

    Of course it won't be exactly in those words... but I'm fully expecting it.

    People who are dedicated to bashing this game (or any game, really) are only too willing to forever keep moving that goal post to make themselves feel "right". They'll readily twist reality or revise history as well to the same end.

    There's a guy in Beta who's been doing that since Alpha.. Making predictions about the game, making declarations about how SE's not listening about various issues. And even as issue after issue that he insisted they would never address is knocked down, he just kept moving the goal post, spinning the situation, and claiming he was right all along. He would actually write "I told you so" posts about things he was completely wrong about.  I wasn't sure whether to laugh at the guy or feel sorry for him.

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."
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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by dinams

    22 gb?

    Holy shit I will never play this with my connection xD

    I would take 2 weeks to download it if I purchased digital download.

    That is the reason many people still buy MMOs in actual shops instead. AoC is something like 35 GB now.

    But computers are getting better and the net is getting faster so this is the logical part, just get the game in a store or order it from an online store and have they mail it home to you.

    It is nice to have a DVD anyways when you reinstall.

  • maskedtearsmaskedtears Member UncommonPosts: 345

    Originally posted by WSIMike

     

    Oh, after launch, when the various other things SE have talked about over the past months are finally revealed, along with the deep, involved storylines the series is known for (including FFXI) and all these gripes about "the game being shallow" or whatever are proven wrong... I'm fully expecting at least *one* person is going to say something like:

    "Yeah... Big deal. They rushed to get all that in in the last month of development and only because people complained. All of that should have been in the game by the beginning of Beta. That they waited until the last minute to add all those storylines and all that extra content just shows they don't know what they're doing and are lazy".

    Of course it won't be exactly in those words... but I'm fully expecting it.

    People who are dedicated to bashing this game (or any game, really) are only too willing to forever keep moving that goal post to make themselves feel "right". They'll readily twist reality or revise history as well to the same end.

    There's a guy in Beta who's been doing that since Alpha.. Making predictions about the game, making declarations about how SE's not listening about various issues. And even as issue after issue that he insisted they would never address is knocked down, he just kept moving the goal post, spinning the situation, and claiming he was right all along. He would actually write "I told you so" posts about things he was completely wrong about.  I wasn't sure whether to laugh at the guy or feel sorry for him.

    Yeah... now that you say that I can totally imagine them saying that. Ugh. At least we'll be in-game and not here, being happy. 

    Though they will probably think we all ditched the game because it was sooooo horrible, when we are really playing the life out of the thing and being sent to the hospital from over-gaming. 

    You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.

  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682

    Originally posted by Ziezo

    When you uninstall/ delete FFXIV from your drive now, its also 22 GB.  So nothing new for release on the disc.... Only maybe in patches, but those won't change alot of the game at release.

    It's 8.5 GB on my HD, nice try though.

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  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682

    I think there is more content, of course, in retail VS. beta.

    My guess is that there are more zones; more armor, weapons and other items; a heck of a lot more quests (main story line, plus quests from the various guilds, etc...) and I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of the Quest related cutscenes that now lack voiceovers, will have them in release.

    In short, a good mix of stuff.

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  • maskedtearsmaskedtears Member UncommonPosts: 345

    Originally posted by fiontar

    I think there is more content, of course, in retail VS. beta.

    My guess is that there are more zones; more armor, weapons and other items; a heck of a lot more quests (main story line, plus quests from the various guilds, etc...) and I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of the Quest related cutscenes that now lack voiceovers, will have them in release.

    In short, a good mix of stuff.

    Yup, that's what they said. They, being Square Enix. Can't wait for the storyline quests and side quests. :D

    You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.

  • adam_noxadam_nox Member UncommonPosts: 2,148

    Originally posted by Mellow44

    Originally posted by colddog04


    Originally posted by rav3n2

    Everyone knows that more gigabytes = better games! Man cant wait with so many GB how can I not have fun in this game! Pre-order now there will be 22GB!

     

    I remember the commercial for Super Metroid way back in the day. It was like:

     

    OVER 32 MEGABYTES!!!

     

    And I was like:

     

    You guys must be lazy programmers!

     

    Edit: good game though.

    Actually it was 32 Megs which is mega bits and not mega bytes so in essence 4MB.

    I think the largest SNES cartridge got to 48 Megs a.k.a 6MB for some J-RPG that never got translated for the gaijin market.

    The Neo Geo had games that reached over 200 Megs but it was like the Porsche of game consoles of it's time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaijin

    semi on topic, developers work within their limitations.  CD based games allowed them to be very lazy, most games taking up a large portion of the disc yet having 1/10th the assets of quality titles. 

  • twruletwrule Member Posts: 1,251

    Originally posted by maskedtears

    Originally posted by twrule


    Originally posted by maskedtears

    I'm really curious as to what makes people think FFXIV won't have SE's trademark story quests? I'm very curious....

    Trademark?  They were in FFXI, but that alone is not an indication that they will be in FFXIV.

    As far as I'm aware (and I've been following this game quite closely until just recently - I have a sticky on FFXIVCore, or did lol), SE has made no mention of story quests being in the game.  They hyped guildleves throughout, but never any "oh btw we'll have normal quests too" in there.  They weren't in either beta either, and still no word from SE about them even when people have expressed concerns over the lack of content.  I've no reason to believe they will be in the game.

    SE is all about storyline and I don't think they would randomly stop. Come Wednesday we'll see.

    Oh maybe I thought you were talking about something else...

    FFXIV will have a main storyline and quests to follow that (equivalent to the mission/rank system in FFXI) - I was talking about how it would probably lack normal quests (the ones that you'd get by going around talking to random NPCs in towns and they'd send you off to some remote location for a reason that had little or nothing to do with the main storyline).

  • maskedtearsmaskedtears Member UncommonPosts: 345

    Originally posted by twrule

     

    Oh maybe I thought you were talking about something else...

    FFXIV will have a main storyline and quests to follow that (equivalent to the mission/rank system in FFXI) - I was talking about how it would probably lack normal quests (the ones that you'd get by going around talking to random NPCs in towns and they'd send you off to some remote location for a reason that had little or nothing to do with the main storyline).

    I'm pretty sure those will be in too. I'll let you know Wednesday. =D

    You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.

  • MMOman101MMOman101 Member UncommonPosts: 1,787

    Originally posted by sephiroth112

    Originally posted by Rytif


    Originally posted by Terikan3

    pro tip, other SE titles weren't MMOs, except for DING DING DING! the one that got beta tested.  MMOs that aren't tested extensively with a public beta end up with HUGE problems.  There is little that isn't being tested in the public or closed beta right now. 

    Some of you just need to listen to veteran mmo players, not just people who've played 1 or 2 and have never seen the pre to post-release process.

    Ok, veteran couch potato. Tell us how a MMORPG is suppose to be tested so it may defeat the oh great World Of Warcraft?

    maybe you are WoW lover and you can't think well becuase only thing the crap addon gear score

    so you are fail and you cant doing nothing

    when you have another mmorpg and have high lvl in puther game you can talk for while stop playing wow

    To continue this conversation in English please press 1 now.

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  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005

    Originally posted by MMOman101

    Originally posted by sephiroth112


    Originally posted by Rytif


    Originally posted by Terikan3

    pro tip, other SE titles weren't MMOs, except for DING DING DING! the one that got beta tested.  MMOs that aren't tested extensively with a public beta end up with HUGE problems.  There is little that isn't being tested in the public or closed beta right now. 

    Some of you just need to listen to veteran mmo players, not just people who've played 1 or 2 and have never seen the pre to post-release process.

    Ok, veteran couch potato. Tell us how a MMORPG is suppose to be tested so it may defeat the oh great World Of Warcraft?

    maybe you are WoW lover and you can't think well becuase only thing the crap addon gear score

    so you are fail and you cant doing nothing

    when you have another mmorpg and have high lvl in puther game you can talk for while stop playing wow

    To continue this conversation in English please press 1 now.

    LOL

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  • UldahUldah Member Posts: 162

    Guy that already got his CE says the client uncompressed is only 9.1G.

    So much for a 22g client LOL

    Now lets see how big is the update the 22, tsk tsk tsk

  • VikingGamerVikingGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,350

    It could also be that 22 gigs free is what is required to both unpack AND install the game. The final amount of space used after the install process is finished could be a good bit less.

    All die, so die well.

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