First, I'd like to say there's NO POSSIBLE WAY Bioware banned you for just talking about illegal activities... You had to have done something illegal and or against the NDA policy for them to have banned you..
Now, you definitely should have received an email indicating why you got banned. Did you receive one? Or did you just happen to log in one day and seen you were banned?
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
Most people get into beta and think cool free chance to try the game. But what is actually going on is your getting "special" access to the game that is not released. If the company is serious about their game, they will be making sure that security wall they put up is ironclad. They don't like hearing things like i'm cool with torrenting because your seeding data to alot of other people and thus data is getting out into the open. Whether this occurs or not is a non factor. They can't track what you do off their site, but they can take the safer side and figure it's better to get another couple of testers rather then someone who is "chill" with sharing our data to unknown sources.
It is a number of things.
It is special access to a game not released. It is a free chance to play the game. It is working for free.
And if you are very passionate about the game, it is a chance to improve the game pre launch.
People who do illegal and immoral things can always find a way to justify it in their minds...which allows them to feel better about themselves. It's just the way people are.
It doesn't matter though...it's still wrong and it's still illegal. That's why we have cops, courts and jails.
Okay i agree it is a free chance to try the game, it's also a beta as well which means you have to be very careful about what you say and do. A fact alot of people miss, i blame all the betas that are basically open betas or released version that claim to be a closed beta because they get the general populace thinking it's okay to talk about the game outside of the actual game or to say anything they want, when thats not actually the case.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
99.9% of all torrent traffic is illegal, and you all know it. If you're a damn thief, just own up to it, stop trying to justify it.
This, very rarely is anything torrented not illegal, occasionally you might be better off torenting a lasrge demo, or beta client, but thats about it.
Torrenting is like smoking pot, you can make up all the reasons you want for why you have a bong/rolling papers/roach clips around, but everyone knows those reasons are BS and your smoking pot with them.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I agree that most (Including myself) that torrent games would NOT buy them otherwise.
I've torrented a few games, mostly when i was bored, looking for something to kill time, i would NOT go buy a game to kill some time, thats for sure.
To be honest torrenting gives great exposure to game titles, for example, if i hadn't torrented Dragon Ages, i wouldn't haver realized what an awesome game it is, so when Dragon Age 2 launches i'll be purchasing it.
I think BioWare banning you over some rather ambigious talk about torrenting is extreme, sure they can do what they want, but that kinda mindset won't help with future MMORPGS they title out, as this is their first.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
I agree that most (Including myself) that torrent games would NOT buy them otherwise.
I've torrented a few games, mostly when i was bored, looking for something to kill time, i would NOT go buy a game to kill some time, thats for sure.
To be honest torrenting gives great exposure to game titles, for example, if i hadn't torrented Dragon Ages, i wouldn't haver realized what an awesome game it is, so when Dragon Age 2 launches i'll be purchasing it.
I think BioWare banning you over some rather ambigious talk about torrenting is extreme, sure they can do what they want, but that kinda mindset won't help with future MMORPGS they title out, as this is their first.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
Yup, its like saying that shoplifting gives store more exposure and helps there buisness out, its just plain...well retarded.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
99.9% of all torrent traffic is illegal, and you all know it. If you're a damn thief, just own up to it, stop trying to justify it.
This, very rarely is anything torrented not illegal, occasionally you might be better off torenting a lasrge demo, or beta client, but thats about it.
Torrenting is like smoking pot, you can make up all the reasons you want for why you have a bong/rolling papers/roach clips around, but everyone knows those reasons are BS and your smoking pot with them.
I don't think those numbers are completely true, torrenting is very popular but it is used to download and distribute lots of things from linux distributions to game patches, to freeware and software packages. I think theres a pretty base of legal torrenting out there. I've been taken to the more "illegal" torrenting sites before to download linux distributions that are usually transferred over a slow FTP.
I don't agree with pirating games or software at all though, and unless I know what I'm there to download is legal, I don't do it.
id dam well love a invite to this game, ive been waiting for it for the last 5 years, why does a punk like you get a invite and a dedicated love of the game like me does not?
you are still a douche and im glad you lost your chance!
Playing: FFXIV Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
99.9% of all torrent traffic is illegal, and you all know it. If you're a damn thief, just own up to it, stop trying to justify it.
This, very rarely is anything torrented not illegal, occasionally you might be better off torenting a lasrge demo, or beta client, but thats about it.
Torrenting is like smoking pot, you can make up all the reasons you want for why you have a bong/rolling papers/roach clips around, but everyone knows those reasons are BS and your smoking pot with them.
I don't think those numbers are completely true, torrenting is very popular but it is used to download and distribute lots of things from linux distributions to game patches, to freeware and software packages. I think theres a pretty base of legal torrenting out there. I've been taken to the more "illegal" torrenting sites before to download linux distributions that are usually transferred over a slow FTP.
I don't agree with pirating games or software at all though, and unless I know what I'm there to download is legal, I don't do it.
heres the thing, all those legal files probably do only account for .1% of the torrented files, its sad, but there really is that mkuch illegal material out there.
Personally i think torrenting is great for distributing things like demos and other crap, as long as everyone shares but still most use it for illegal stuff.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
99.9% of all torrent traffic is illegal, and you all know it. If you're a damn thief, just own up to it, stop trying to justify it.
This, very rarely is anything torrented not illegal, occasionally you might be better off torenting a lasrge demo, or beta client, but thats about it.
Torrenting is like smoking pot, you can make up all the reasons you want for why you have a bong/rolling papers/roach clips around, but everyone knows those reasons are BS and your smoking pot with them.
Your welcome to your opinions but whilst I agree the percentage of torrent activity that is priacy related is a high figure I doubt it's 99.9%.There are plenty of legal torrent sites and legal uses of bit torrent p2p technology enough to contribute a sizeable percentage to overall torrent activity.So I say your definition of very rarely is in fact very suspect.
This is in no way condoning the use of torrents in illegal activity of any sort jsut like I don't condone the use of guns in illegal activity or illegal activity itself.
99.9% of all torrent traffic is illegal, and you all know it. If you're a damn thief, just own up to it, stop trying to justify it.
This, very rarely is anything torrented not illegal, occasionally you might be better off torenting a lasrge demo, or beta client, but thats about it.
Torrenting is like smoking pot, you can make up all the reasons you want for why you have a bong/rolling papers/roach clips around, but everyone knows those reasons are BS and your smoking pot with them.
I don't think those numbers are completely true, torrenting is very popular but it is used to download and distribute lots of things from linux distributions to game patches, to freeware and software packages. I think theres a pretty base of legal torrenting out there. I've been taken to the more "illegal" torrenting sites before to download linux distributions that are usually transferred over a slow FTP.
I don't agree with pirating games or software at all though, and unless I know what I'm there to download is legal, I don't do it.
heres the thing, all those legal files probably do only account for .1% of the torrented files, its sad, but there really is that mkuch illegal material out there.
Personally i think torrenting is great for distributing things like demos and other crap, as long as everyone shares but still most use it for illegal stuff.
Thats most likely true, especially since illegal torrenting is very popular outside the states as well.... theres no question the illegal torrents dwarf the legal ones.
I agree that most (Including myself) that torrent games would NOT buy them otherwise.
I've torrented a few games, mostly when i was bored, looking for something to kill time, i would NOT go buy a game to kill some time, thats for sure.
To be honest torrenting gives great exposure to game titles, for example, if i hadn't torrented Dragon Ages, i wouldn't haver realized what an awesome game it is, so when Dragon Age 2 launches i'll be purchasing it.
I think BioWare banning you over some rather ambigious talk about torrenting is extreme, sure they can do what they want, but that kinda mindset won't help with future MMORPGS they title out, as this is their first.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
Yup, its like saying that shoplifting gives store more exposure and helps there buisness out, its just plain...well retarded.
Software Pircacy existed before Bitorrent,before the itnernt and will exist even if all current p2p technologies ceased to exist.Someone always finds a way to what they want but don't want to pay for and once they do that information spreads amongst the like minded...it's jsut part of the human condition.
You guys trying cajole and insult and convince software pirates that they are wrong is about as futile as the amjority of posts on these forums of extremist haters and fanbois trying to convince each other that the other is wrong.
I dont' think it's a problem with piracy or illegal activity at all. It's the fact that hes cool with sharing data that i think worried BW, thus the reason they dropped him. Whether legal or not, it's still a programs that shares data and they don't like you using those software, it's one thing to have it on your computer, it's one thing to use it to download things. It's another to sit in a closed beta and say that it's cool to use programs like that.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I agree that most (Including myself) that torrent games would NOT buy them otherwise.
I've torrented a few games, mostly when i was bored, looking for something to kill time, i would NOT go buy a game to kill some time, thats for sure.
To be honest torrenting gives great exposure to game titles, for example, if i hadn't torrented Dragon Ages, i wouldn't haver realized what an awesome game it is, so when Dragon Age 2 launches i'll be purchasing it.
I think BioWare banning you over some rather ambigious talk about torrenting is extreme, sure they can do what they want, but that kinda mindset won't help with future MMORPGS they title out, as this is their first.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
Yup, its like saying that shoplifting gives store more exposure and helps there buisness out, its just plain...well retarded.
Software Pircacy existed before Bitorrent,before the itnernt and will exist even if all current p2p technologies ceased to exist.Someone always finds a way to what they want but don't want to pay for and once they do that information spreads amongst the like minded...it's jsut part of the human condition.
You guys trying cajole and insult and convince software pirates that they are wrong is about as futile as the amjority of posts on these forums of extremist haters and fanbois trying to convince each other that the other is wrong.
Torrenting just increased the ease in pirating software. This isn't like most *opinions* on this forum of who's opinion of which game is right or wrong... those are futile attempts based on an individuals thought process and information store. Downloading software illegally via torrenting or buying backups through craigslist when you don't own the game is illegal. Theres no ifs ands or buts about it. Trying to rationalize it is stupid. Its like saying "I stole that car but I wouldn't have bought it anyway so its okay. Maybe next time I buy a car though, I'll consider buying that one." No amount of rationalization makes this form of stealing even remotely okay or necessary.
I agree that most (Including myself) that torrent games would NOT buy them otherwise.
I've torrented a few games, mostly when i was bored, looking for something to kill time, i would NOT go buy a game to kill some time, thats for sure.
To be honest torrenting gives great exposure to game titles, for example, if i hadn't torrented Dragon Ages, i wouldn't haver realized what an awesome game it is, so when Dragon Age 2 launches i'll be purchasing it.
I think BioWare banning you over some rather ambigious talk about torrenting is extreme, sure they can do what they want, but that kinda mindset won't help with future MMORPGS they title out, as this is their first.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
Yup, its like saying that shoplifting gives store more exposure and helps there buisness out, its just plain...well retarded.
Software Pircacy existed before Bitorrent,before the itnernt and will exist even if all current p2p technologies ceased to exist.Someone always finds a way to what they want but don't want to pay for and once they do that information spreads amongst the like minded...it's jsut part of the human condition.
You guys trying cajole and insult and convince software pirates that they are wrong is about as futile as the amjority of posts on these forums of extremist haters and fanbois trying to convince each other that the other is wrong.
Torrenting just increased the ease in pirating software. This isn't like most *opinions* on this forum of who's opinion of which game is right or wrong... those are futile attempts based on an individuals thought process and information store. Downloading software illegally via torrenting or buying backups through craigslist when you don't own the game is illegal. Theres no ifs ands or buts about it. Trying to rationalize it is stupid. Its like saying "I stole that car but I wouldn't have bought it anyway so its okay. Maybe next time I buy a car though, I'll consider buying that one." No amount of rationalization makes this form of stealing even remotely okay or necessary.
I'm not rationalizing the act at all...nowhere di I rationalize or support piracy...but to those who are rationalizing it your arguements and insults won't dent their rationalizations which IS just the same as the rationales of Haters and fanbois.
Originally posted by endersshadow Big Brother is watching! Monitoring chat for the loss.
So I dont get banned here... cause they are watching lol, I DONT SUPPORT PIRATING SOFTWARE. After spending money on a game that was a Terrible Port Job to PC, eh gave me second thoughts.
Terrible port? Dragon Age was a 1000 times better on the PC than on the consoles. You needn't worry about Bioware banning you for being a pirate, they'd just ban you for having no taste.
...and I was not talking about Dragon Age. I was talking about mass effect. The reaction time when I was aiming/moving, it wasnt sharp and reactive. Thats a big pet peeve for me. And I paid 20 dollars for it. Good job getting all high and mighty on two posters. You do know that Bioware doesnt have a Valhalla for being a short bus fanboi, right?
You don't have to be a fanboy to realize why Mass Effect 1 had sloppy aiming mechanics, you just have to not be an uninformed moron.
As for ME1, it's shoddy mechanics had NOTHING to do with it being a port, your aim was based off your STATS. So when you first started the game as a lvl 1 lowbie you'd have terrible aim and as you dumped points into your respective weapon your aim would improve. Near the middle of the game aim stopped being an issue.
As for being high and mighty, well, I am right, and therefore high and mighty, you are wrong, and therefore low and dirty. The other guy is a pirate, so if you're attempting to defend his "honor" I hope you fall into a vat of acid.
And just for the record Bioware does in fact have a Valhalla, it's called their games. I'd ask you to take a look but that'd be like offering my dog a sports car.
I agree that most (Including myself) that torrent games would NOT buy them otherwise.
I've torrented a few games, mostly when i was bored, looking for something to kill time, i would NOT go buy a game to kill some time, thats for sure.
To be honest torrenting gives great exposure to game titles, for example, if i hadn't torrented Dragon Ages, i wouldn't haver realized what an awesome game it is, so when Dragon Age 2 launches i'll be purchasing it.
I think BioWare banning you over some rather ambigious talk about torrenting is extreme, sure they can do what they want, but that kinda mindset won't help with future MMORPGS they title out, as this is their first.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
Yup, its like saying that shoplifting gives store more exposure and helps there buisness out, its just plain...well retarded.
Software Pircacy existed before Bitorrent,before the itnernt and will exist even if all current p2p technologies ceased to exist.Someone always finds a way to what they want but don't want to pay for and once they do that information spreads amongst the like minded...it's jsut part of the human condition.
You guys trying cajole and insult and convince software pirates that they are wrong is about as futile as the amjority of posts on these forums of extremist haters and fanbois trying to convince each other that the other is wrong.
Torrenting just increased the ease in pirating software. This isn't like most *opinions* on this forum of who's opinion of which game is right or wrong... those are futile attempts based on an individuals thought process and information store. Downloading software illegally via torrenting or buying backups through craigslist when you don't own the game is illegal. Theres no ifs ands or buts about it. Trying to rationalize it is stupid. Its like saying "I stole that car but I wouldn't have bought it anyway so its okay. Maybe next time I buy a car though, I'll consider buying that one." No amount of rationalization makes this form of stealing even remotely okay or necessary.
I'm not rationalizing the act at all...nowhere di I rationalize or support piracy...but to those who are rationalizing it your arguements and insults won't dent their rationalizations which IS just the same as the rationales of Haters and fanbois.
I wasn't saying you were rationalizing it, I meant for the original post that was quoted. I still don't agree that the rationale is the same, if you consider one you can get arrested for and the other you can get a warning or ban for forum misconduct in the worst possible case.
I dont' think it's a problem with piracy or illegal activity at all. It's the fact that hes cool with sharing data that i think worried BW, thus the reason they dropped him. Whether legal or not, it's still a programs that shares data and they don't like you using those software, it's one thing to have it on your computer, it's one thing to use it to download things. It's another to sit in a closed beta and say that it's cool to use programs like that.
So by your theory, referencing Email, Texting, Phone calls, or actually talking to a neighbor directly about something is sharing data. Your post was really not well thought out....
Please everyone, keep in mind that bittorrent (although most is illegal) is still a technology used for disseminating information and data that is legal (including some games/game demos). If the OP truly said "BT is chill for single player games" (or something to that effect), he is in fact not discussing anything implicity illegal, as mentioned above. The other player did mention illegal activity (by mentioning games that where not available officially via bittorrent) and should have been banned.
To the person who mentioned "Pot", that is also legal in certain circumstances in certain states, so that is also not a valid argument. In California, you can purchase mj legally if you have a medicinal marijuana card. In fact, California may legalize recreational use of marijuana in the next election. Also, there are countries that already have legalized marijuana for recreational use. The OP did not state his country or state of origin, so your argument falls flat. I am not pro pot, and personally don't do it, but I know people who do. It shoudl be treated in the same way as liquor imo, as long as people do not endanger others, I think it is OK. Please do not respond saying that MJ is the same as other, harder drugs...It has been proven it is not (either in physical ramifications (compare to smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol) nor in the amount it changes attitude or mood).
As much as it pains me to say it though, Bioware has every right to ban someone for saying anything that could constitute a "possibility" of being illegal in chat. While I don't agree with it, it is beta, and it is a privilege to be invloved. They decide what is "OK" for beta, and what is not. This being the case, the OP just has to deal with it and hope that they lift the ban when the game goes live (or ideally sooner based on the reason for the ban)...
Well you made a mistake, learn from it and move along, its not the end of the world.
As to the others here saying that torrenting or something is piracy and OMG POLICE!!!!!! MONITOR OUR COMPUTERS NOW!!!.. your laughable, really, i work in the business for about 12 years ( others certainly do it for longer than i do ) and one thing i came to notice is that , games are no longer for fun, its all about money, and that comes from having , sorry, mostly idiots employed in the firms, most people just have a degree and think they're the best and reason is all on they're side , others are simply well the self righteous types, and so on and so on...
Fact is that file sharing as improved and helped alot of people and firms, this idiotic hype over file sharing coming from firms like sony, m$ and other firms just serves to cover the mistakes they have done in the past or to show how greed people can actually get.
Lets face it, i do really well moneywise, and still i think 2x when it comes to buy software, why? simple, in the old days you have so much better quality software, things came with almost no flaws ( there were some of course ) but you made your best to present the costumer with a quality product and you cared actually with what that costumer said.
Today you run on a timetable were you are expected to do an X amount of work in a Y amount of time, being that X most of times the combined summe of aprox 1 months work turned into a couple weeks ( for eg. ) , quality control is there, and its ridiculous mostly, while most firms run Qa with pre-scripted software and most techs today don't even bother to get their hands dirty and actually pick apart a piece of software or hardware, some don't care, some just can't, or there isn't simply enough time.
This reflects on the final product, and in morale / worker motivation, in the end you just stay for the money mostly, few people stay for the comradship or love for the firm.
Alot of countries here in EU have some very good file sharing laws , laws that kicked many firms in the nuts and brought some light in this p2p mess that the greedy ones started.
I for one do support p2p. I really do.
Not because it helps pirates, as in piracy you make a profit from what you steal, and make no mistake, piracy involves stealling, ( oh way... many firms DO THAT in order to get an advantage , either by spying, social events, outwright software copying or having your assistant bumpin your colleague form the competition next door, it does happen kids sorry for saying it so bluntly but thats the way it is ).
P2P involves ( apart from computers connecting to each other in a network ... we're all pirates!!1! ) sharing, you have the right to share something you bought with your money, it happens since the k7 days and , GOD wills it, it will be part of the future, wether you don't have money to buy that 1000000$$$ piece of office software you need to study or simply to test some piece of a game or sample music before you buy the originals, P2P helps people and firms, it makes them improve on their products, also it reveals what firms are good, and what firms are your mainstream fluff that spit out year after year of the same remade crap that everyone buys just because its cool to have it and not interesting, it makes the little go big and .. it shakes the legs of the big ( no it doesn't throw them down ).
This is part of my take on P2P.
As to the op, lol sorry for the wall of text, well like i said, you had a contract, you made a mistake, in your shoes i would really apologize to the other part and move on with my life, because in the end we are all humans and making mistakes and learning from them is part of life.
I think what Bio did was over reacted and it changes how i think about this company now, YES it is worng to turrent but bannding u over A /TELL saying is just None sence and Kinda stupid , maybe it's the beta part where they do chose the kind of ppl they want in the game and u are playing it for free still if i sub a game and get banned over this i would never respect that company ever agine ............
i did talk alot about stuff like this in WOW i'v Nothing happend it's after all just talk
instade of bannding ppl like this they should know better and do somthing about Softwere piroting
I think what Bio did was over reacted and it changes how i think about this company now, YES it is worng to turrent but bannding u over A /TELL saying is just None sence and Kinda stupid , maybe it's the beta part where they do chose the kind of ppl they want in the game and u are playing it for free still if i sub a game and get banned over this i would never respect that company ever agine ............
i did talk alot about stuff like this in WOW i'v Nothing happend it's after all just talk
instade of bannding ppl like this they should know better and do somthing about Softwere piroting
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First, I'd like to say there's NO POSSIBLE WAY Bioware banned you for just talking about illegal activities... You had to have done something illegal and or against the NDA policy for them to have banned you..
Now, you definitely should have received an email indicating why you got banned. Did you receive one? Or did you just happen to log in one day and seen you were banned?
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
This saddens me a little bit.
It is a number of things.
It is special access to a game not released. It is a free chance to play the game. It is working for free.
And if you are very passionate about the game, it is a chance to improve the game pre launch.
People who do illegal and immoral things can always find a way to justify it in their minds...which allows them to feel better about themselves. It's just the way people are.
It doesn't matter though...it's still wrong and it's still illegal. That's why we have cops, courts and jails.
Okay i agree it is a free chance to try the game, it's also a beta as well which means you have to be very careful about what you say and do. A fact alot of people miss, i blame all the betas that are basically open betas or released version that claim to be a closed beta because they get the general populace thinking it's okay to talk about the game outside of the actual game or to say anything they want, when thats not actually the case.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Only one tihng worse than somone doing something illegal....someone stupid enough to discuss the act in a public forum of any kind virtual or not.
This, very rarely is anything torrented not illegal, occasionally you might be better off torenting a lasrge demo, or beta client, but thats about it.
Torrenting is like smoking pot, you can make up all the reasons you want for why you have a bong/rolling papers/roach clips around, but everyone knows those reasons are BS and your smoking pot with them.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
If you hadn't torrented you wouldn't have played it at all, but you downloaded it to play it so its obvious you wanted to try it. In a world where torrenting didn't exist, you would have purchased it, or if not that, purchased something else instead of stealing. Trying to rationalize it is foolish. The company doesn't care if you buy their next titles if every first title of theirs is stolen.......... torrenting doesn't give you great exposure to game titles. What you are saying is that stealing gives you great exposure to playing games for free.
I think its great if BioWare bans for the talk of illegal torrenting.
Yup, its like saying that shoplifting gives store more exposure and helps there buisness out, its just plain...well retarded.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
I don't think those numbers are completely true, torrenting is very popular but it is used to download and distribute lots of things from linux distributions to game patches, to freeware and software packages. I think theres a pretty base of legal torrenting out there. I've been taken to the more "illegal" torrenting sites before to download linux distributions that are usually transferred over a slow FTP.
I don't agree with pirating games or software at all though, and unless I know what I'm there to download is legal, I don't do it.
to the op
id dam well love a invite to this game, ive been waiting for it for the last 5 years, why does a punk like you get a invite and a dedicated love of the game like me does not?
you are still a douche and im glad you lost your chance!
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heres the thing, all those legal files probably do only account for .1% of the torrented files, its sad, but there really is that mkuch illegal material out there.
Personally i think torrenting is great for distributing things like demos and other crap, as long as everyone shares but still most use it for illegal stuff.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Your welcome to your opinions but whilst I agree the percentage of torrent activity that is priacy related is a high figure I doubt it's 99.9%.There are plenty of legal torrent sites and legal uses of bit torrent p2p technology enough to contribute a sizeable percentage to overall torrent activity.So I say your definition of very rarely is in fact very suspect.
This is in no way condoning the use of torrents in illegal activity of any sort jsut like I don't condone the use of guns in illegal activity or illegal activity itself.
Thats most likely true, especially since illegal torrenting is very popular outside the states as well.... theres no question the illegal torrents dwarf the legal ones.
Software Pircacy existed before Bitorrent,before the itnernt and will exist even if all current p2p technologies ceased to exist.Someone always finds a way to what they want but don't want to pay for and once they do that information spreads amongst the like minded...it's jsut part of the human condition.
You guys trying cajole and insult and convince software pirates that they are wrong is about as futile as the amjority of posts on these forums of extremist haters and fanbois trying to convince each other that the other is wrong.
I dont' think it's a problem with piracy or illegal activity at all. It's the fact that hes cool with sharing data that i think worried BW, thus the reason they dropped him. Whether legal or not, it's still a programs that shares data and they don't like you using those software, it's one thing to have it on your computer, it's one thing to use it to download things. It's another to sit in a closed beta and say that it's cool to use programs like that.
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Torrenting just increased the ease in pirating software. This isn't like most *opinions* on this forum of who's opinion of which game is right or wrong... those are futile attempts based on an individuals thought process and information store. Downloading software illegally via torrenting or buying backups through craigslist when you don't own the game is illegal. Theres no ifs ands or buts about it. Trying to rationalize it is stupid. Its like saying "I stole that car but I wouldn't have bought it anyway so its okay. Maybe next time I buy a car though, I'll consider buying that one." No amount of rationalization makes this form of stealing even remotely okay or necessary.
I'm not rationalizing the act at all...nowhere di I rationalize or support piracy...but to those who are rationalizing it your arguements and insults won't dent their rationalizations which IS just the same as the rationales of Haters and fanbois.
You don't have to be a fanboy to realize why Mass Effect 1 had sloppy aiming mechanics, you just have to not be an uninformed moron.
As for ME1, it's shoddy mechanics had NOTHING to do with it being a port, your aim was based off your STATS. So when you first started the game as a lvl 1 lowbie you'd have terrible aim and as you dumped points into your respective weapon your aim would improve. Near the middle of the game aim stopped being an issue.
As for being high and mighty, well, I am right, and therefore high and mighty, you are wrong, and therefore low and dirty. The other guy is a pirate, so if you're attempting to defend his "honor" I hope you fall into a vat of acid.
And just for the record Bioware does in fact have a Valhalla, it's called their games. I'd ask you to take a look but that'd be like offering my dog a sports car.
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I wasn't saying you were rationalizing it, I meant for the original post that was quoted. I still don't agree that the rationale is the same, if you consider one you can get arrested for and the other you can get a warning or ban for forum misconduct in the worst possible case.
To the OP - come play AoC with us while you wait.
So by your theory, referencing Email, Texting, Phone calls, or actually talking to a neighbor directly about something is sharing data. Your post was really not well thought out....
Please everyone, keep in mind that bittorrent (although most is illegal) is still a technology used for disseminating information and data that is legal (including some games/game demos). If the OP truly said "BT is chill for single player games" (or something to that effect), he is in fact not discussing anything implicity illegal, as mentioned above. The other player did mention illegal activity (by mentioning games that where not available officially via bittorrent) and should have been banned.
To the person who mentioned "Pot", that is also legal in certain circumstances in certain states, so that is also not a valid argument. In California, you can purchase mj legally if you have a medicinal marijuana card. In fact, California may legalize recreational use of marijuana in the next election. Also, there are countries that already have legalized marijuana for recreational use. The OP did not state his country or state of origin, so your argument falls flat. I am not pro pot, and personally don't do it, but I know people who do. It shoudl be treated in the same way as liquor imo, as long as people do not endanger others, I think it is OK. Please do not respond saying that MJ is the same as other, harder drugs...It has been proven it is not (either in physical ramifications (compare to smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol) nor in the amount it changes attitude or mood).
As much as it pains me to say it though, Bioware has every right to ban someone for saying anything that could constitute a "possibility" of being illegal in chat. While I don't agree with it, it is beta, and it is a privilege to be invloved. They decide what is "OK" for beta, and what is not. This being the case, the OP just has to deal with it and hope that they lift the ban when the game goes live (or ideally sooner based on the reason for the ban)...
Well you made a mistake, learn from it and move along, its not the end of the world.
As to the others here saying that torrenting or something is piracy and OMG POLICE!!!!!! MONITOR OUR COMPUTERS NOW!!!.. your laughable, really, i work in the business for about 12 years ( others certainly do it for longer than i do ) and one thing i came to notice is that , games are no longer for fun, its all about money, and that comes from having , sorry, mostly idiots employed in the firms, most people just have a degree and think they're the best and reason is all on they're side , others are simply well the self righteous types, and so on and so on...
Fact is that file sharing as improved and helped alot of people and firms, this idiotic hype over file sharing coming from firms like sony, m$ and other firms just serves to cover the mistakes they have done in the past or to show how greed people can actually get.
Lets face it, i do really well moneywise, and still i think 2x when it comes to buy software, why? simple, in the old days you have so much better quality software, things came with almost no flaws ( there were some of course ) but you made your best to present the costumer with a quality product and you cared actually with what that costumer said.
Today you run on a timetable were you are expected to do an X amount of work in a Y amount of time, being that X most of times the combined summe of aprox 1 months work turned into a couple weeks ( for eg. ) , quality control is there, and its ridiculous mostly, while most firms run Qa with pre-scripted software and most techs today don't even bother to get their hands dirty and actually pick apart a piece of software or hardware, some don't care, some just can't, or there isn't simply enough time.
This reflects on the final product, and in morale / worker motivation, in the end you just stay for the money mostly, few people stay for the comradship or love for the firm.
Alot of countries here in EU have some very good file sharing laws , laws that kicked many firms in the nuts and brought some light in this p2p mess that the greedy ones started.
I for one do support p2p. I really do.
Not because it helps pirates, as in piracy you make a profit from what you steal, and make no mistake, piracy involves stealling, ( oh way... many firms DO THAT in order to get an advantage , either by spying, social events, outwright software copying or having your assistant bumpin your colleague form the competition next door, it does happen kids sorry for saying it so bluntly but thats the way it is ).
P2P involves ( apart from computers connecting to each other in a network ... we're all pirates!!1! ) sharing, you have the right to share something you bought with your money, it happens since the k7 days and , GOD wills it, it will be part of the future, wether you don't have money to buy that 1000000$$$ piece of office software you need to study or simply to test some piece of a game or sample music before you buy the originals, P2P helps people and firms, it makes them improve on their products, also it reveals what firms are good, and what firms are your mainstream fluff that spit out year after year of the same remade crap that everyone buys just because its cool to have it and not interesting, it makes the little go big and .. it shakes the legs of the big ( no it doesn't throw them down ).
This is part of my take on P2P.
As to the op, lol sorry for the wall of text, well like i said, you had a contract, you made a mistake, in your shoes i would really apologize to the other part and move on with my life, because in the end we are all humans and making mistakes and learning from them is part of life.
Peace. o/
I think what Bio did was over reacted and it changes how i think about this company now, YES it is worng to turrent but bannding u over A /TELL saying is just None sence and Kinda stupid , maybe it's the beta part where they do chose the kind of ppl they want in the game and u are playing it for free still if i sub a game and get banned over this i would never respect that company ever agine ............
i did talk alot about stuff like this in WOW i'v Nothing happend it's after all just talk
instade of bannding ppl like this they should know better and do somthing about Softwere piroting
sorry for my bad english good luck all
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