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Again, I never said that was a problem. People can post about how they feel about the game, however I have a problem with people posting about what MY opinion is. When I NEVER gave it. Is that clear enough now?
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
You guys are making too much out of this. People who dont like the game, like me, are just expressing their opinions why they dont like it. I dont care a rats ass about others who may like it, let them speak for themselves.
I dont like this game, the UI sucks, the style is too childish/cartoonish/mangaish and the subscription model with costing extra for extra characters is just stupid and lame.
I say this because this is an internet forum and you are allowed to express your opinions on such forms, so far anyway.
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Love the way you did it, but you did it wrong.
Think I got the gist of your statement....No one is right, but you. Got it....let's move on.
Because you totally read what my friend said right? I also stated later, that yes I did explain his question, when I asked him if he was seriously asking me that. And he didn't have anything to say about it.
So no.. that's not my beef.
And that. is. fucking. fine. Jesus Christ! THE PROBLEM IS WITH PEOPLE SAYING HOW I FEEL WITHOUT ME SAYING HOW I FEEL!
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Yeah, that's clear.
Although I don't think anyone, not even once, claimed to either know what your opinion is or tried to say what your opinion is.
Not ME, in particular. But fans in general. It has been stated more than once on these forums, that 'we fans' have no problems with the game, and think it's perfect.
No one has stated that this game is perfect, just that we like it. Which apparently means that we think it's the next pie in the sky or something which isn't the case at all. Which is my point. I have a problem with these kinds of assumptions being made in discussions.
Just because I said, "The UI isn't hard." Doesn't mean that I don't have a problem with the UI. If I say, "I like the game." Doesn't mean I don't have a problem with the patcher.
Do you get it? Because it seems like you guys still don't understand.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I've looked at this thread three times now and I still for the life of me can't see the point in it.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Discussion. Obviously. What kind of point did you want?
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I think your points shift as you go. It's all a reaction to what the next counterpoint is.
Okay? If that is how you read it then okay. But I did lightly brush on these in my OP.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Well I haven't read all the posts in this thread but just responded to your main thread post and it is certainly not clear from that post that your problem is what you are stating now.
Someone is saying how you feel? Why would anyone care what you feel if you are not saying it yourself? Really I think you are making a mountain out of a mole.
But imo "fanboys" usually are blind and incapable of seeing any flaws.
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your friend asked you why you play the game and that he heard bad things about it, you replied by saying the things other people don't like about the game don't bother you. you didn't answer the question, which was WHY you play, and you didn't even say you liked the game. imo if you can't give a reason why you like the game you're playing, you need to re-think why you're actually playing it.
the question wasn't confusing at all. seems to me like you're just making an excuse because you don't really have a reason as to why the game is any good. just my 2 cents on it though. seems like every thread i read relating to FF just makes me feel better about not playing the game.
The real issue on this topic is the same issue you are complaining about with other posters. You have decided how you feel about how these forums work, anyone showing otherwise is just wrong in your mind and you don't want to actually hear it so you dismiss it. Once again, it is that simple.
Here are the things you said:
Why don't people ask me my opinions? Answer, either they don't care or they are assuming you are intelligent enough to know that you should include your opinions if you want to be in the discussion. Clearly you feel that you have to be asked though.
What should I say if someone says to me I like pink? Besides this being a terrible example and you wanting to stick with such a terrible example that does not relate to the issue at hand (is it really that tough to make your example "I like FFXIV"?), you either respond with how you feel about pink if you want a discussion or do not respond in regards to pink if you don't want a discussion. It is that simple
Your response to me saying "You never said you liked MMORPG.com forums" was "I never said I didn't like MMORPG.com forums" which completely missed the context in which I used that statement. A person could respond that way all day to anything ever mentioned it is truly a useless statement.
"I don't want people saying my opinion on a topic if I've never given it." Well you made a page long post on how you felt about discussion about games and everyone commented on that. So you did give an opinion and every made their replies on that opinion, so that statement comes from no where. And although you keep trying to say you didn't give any opinions on FFXIV, you made a post titled Rant from a fan girl in the FFXIV forums and in that post say that you love the game. So no one assumed anything about your opinions on FFXIV, you gave them.
You ask if threads created where people say FFXIV is bad are an attempt to get those who like it to share their opinions because of an easy to follow conversation with a friend that you were confused by. The answer is no, they are not trying to get those who like it to say why they like it by saying they hate it, they would say "Why do you like it?" if they wanted that information.
You said that you don't like when people respond to "I like this" with "I hate this" and to that I replied, "If you don't like how the forums are used then don't use them." It is still that simple.
You try to deflect off everything everyone says by saying "I didn't specifically say that." or "No one asked my opinions so why would I give them." instead of actually acknowledging what people are saying. Then you say you hate when people do that. It is very interesting to watch such irony at work.
Oh I don't know, perhaps something a bit more than a nonsensical rant about nothing I suppose. Never mind I've lost what little interest I had now anyway, goodbye.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
But how can you assume someone is a "fanperson" when they haven't even said whether they have any flaws or problem in the game. Just because they don't see the same ones you do don't mean they don't have their own that they see.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
This thread is weird. Obviously if someone is doing something, and not voicing any complaints, it is natural to assume he has no complaints worth voicing.
If taxes are too high but you never complain, or show any signs that you think it is too high, then naturally people will think you think it is too fine, or too lazy to do anything about it. Common sense.
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Read the title of your thread.
To your first paragraph. I've already answered this all of 3 times now. I will add it to the OP shortly.
I do have lots of reasons of why I like the game. And I stated, and gave him reasons after he clarified, why. And he had nothing to say about it.
You said fanboy, I said fangirl, so I switched it to fanperson.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Then they should say so. Ever heard of the expression, see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil? If not it means you are just looking the other way, and is your right ofcourse but if you dont say anything then dont assume other people will know what you are thinking.
We are not mind readers.
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Yet you talk like you are. That is the problem.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Squeenix wants to be unique, they always said that they will not bend for WoW crowd. They want to offer players another perspective on online gaming. They stick to their own game rules and care for a special playerbase and steady game progression, hype and population vise. They will be the only mmorpg for console and pc players, allowing them all to play together for at least a couple more years and they know that they will make enough money even if all the current mmorpg crowd will stay in their games.
I work in a place with lots of nerds and only two of us have bought the CE for PC. At least 5 more will wait for the PS3 release, since they can't wait to be given a chance for all of us to play together. It's a big hit, no matter what the game offers.
SE have proven themselves with all of their previous titles and they obviously don't feel the need to prove anything else. Hell, I patched my FFXI today and played a little (my FFXIV box isn't delivered yet), it was still a blast. They manage to improve their games without cutting the magic and "hardcorness" out of them. I knew that they will make a game I'll love to play or simply be in. Many other players who bought the CE knew it too. Everybody else can stay in their games and I bet SE won't even care. Nor will we, final fantasy fans.
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Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
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No it is common sense. If I see someone doing something, which is not forced, and they dont complain one can only assume that they think everything is fine, or too lazy to bother to say it is not fine, hence the conception that fan boys are incapable of seeing any flaws.
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No he doesn't.
Actually, you just talked like you knew what he was thinking.
And when the title of your thread is, "A rant from a Fan Girl," there is a good reason why people assume that you not only like the game, but are a fanatic. Since it is DIRECTLY related.
Which isn't in fact true. So people who just haven't stated their problems yet, are just fanbois and those who go straight out of the gate aren't?
I only put fangirl in my title because I've been referred to as thus. Which is again part of the idea. I love the game and I think it's the perfect game for me right now, however this doesn't mean that the game itself is perfect. It does have flaws, I've just never stated what flaws I feel the game has. Some of the flaws have been fixed through the patches others have not.
For example, currently I'm having a problem with selecting mobs, however that does not mean I think targeting is the problem. Therefore if someone says that the game's targeting sucks, I won't say anything about it, because that's not how I feel.
I do not naturally respond to someone saying "I hate this" by trying to convince them. I figure out what their problem is, and move on.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
It's a forum so people express their opinions and sometimes there is the back and forth. These days I may state an opinion, and then usually just move along. It's not really worth getting into a 'debate' with people around here. I mean, what purpose can it possible serve. None that I can see, other than to suck up time and maybe frustrate yourself.
If you actually saw some of the rude, petty, obnoxious people that sometimes post around here in real life, you would doubtless be pissed at yourself for wasting your time.
I'm glad you enjoy the game enough to keep playing it. Mmos suck up a lot of time and energy, so if you can find one you enjoy that's great. Even if it's not 'fun' per se, but just something to pass the time and maybe socialize a bit, that's still something.