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Henrick IRC chat: New Epic Patch is so incredible it equals Mortal Online 2... (Miracle patch?)
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Yup.. Henrick said it himself and then confirmed it. This new patch is going to be so incredible that he repeatedly refers to it as Mortal Online 2...
[23:17] <@HenrikNystrom>; epic patch is getting closer, we just want it to work well, and of course to live up to most expectation
[23:17] <@HenrikNystrom>; As, there is indeed major differences
[23:19] <@HenrikNystrom>; if you wont notice a diff, then I dont know hehe..
[23:19] <@HenrikNystrom>; We are talking Mortal Online 2
[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; like I said before, it gives tools yes, and also instant changes and fixed,
[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; but also the possibility to fix tweak other areas better
[23:23] <HobboBobbo> instant?
[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; yes, the most critical issues will get an update along with that update.
[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; hence thats why we focus evertghing on this patch
[23:27] <[BRB]Mojoz> henrik don't make hype you won't be able to live upto, claiming its going to be "Mortal Online 2" is a massive statement to make o.O
[23:28] <@HenrikNystrom>; Mojoz, hehe I stand by that sentence
Full IRC chat found here:
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/1025747-post14.html
So.. contrary to the folks saying that the "Epic patch" is just a patch from Epic Games... it sure seems like the CEO is hyping it as some game transforming miracle patch. Later on he even talks about how they may need to open up parts of a new continent when all the folks come back to play Mortal Online 2....
Interesting glimpse into the mind of the CEO... make your own conclusions.
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Not sure a comparison of MO with AoC is valid. The marketing and hype of AoC was huge and so was the let down. Mortal Online is made by a small team with the right spirit but less experience. So far it's improving in most area's and I truely believe it will either make or break the game with the upcoming patch by Epic China and the available features as a result of it.
I don't agree with the returning players part. While Mortal Online is a pretty famous target on these boards for posting negative stuff and speculations, Henrik said that around 1% of the mmo player base has actually heared of the game (In my opinion it's probably a bit higher). Once it is ready for some big marketing and a free trial I still see plenty of options for the player base to grow a lot higher, which wil also attract previous players. There aren't a lot of competing mmo's in the Mortal Online genre (1st person, full loot and other features) anyway.
From the IRC log, about 90% of the questions ended in responsens form Henrik ended with 'Yes that will be in' or 'Yes that's coming in the future' which imo is pretty risky. Sure hope they are able to live up to their promises.
What is Henrik thinking?
I will need to see video proof that these things are fixed and that this is somehow a whole other Mortal Online. I've been pretty disappointed since very early Beta.
Someone buy mortalonline2.com yet?
Wait a min, where is MO 1? I've been waiting for that for awhile now and I still don't think it's launched.
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its still in alpha right now. It will be released soon, possibly after Mortal Online 2 comes out
Henrik is good at blowing things out of proportion, "Mortal Online 2" - I have to agree, where is Mortal Online. I like how he stated how he stands by what he said, noble, but if this "epic patch" fails to live up to what people are expecting...
I agree with a lot of what you said, but this part I don;t agree with. My point is actually what you touch on. Mortal Online is a FFA PvP, Full-Loot, Sandbox MMORPG currently focused on GvG territory control. While that is the kind of game that would normally attract me, it is not a featureset that is going to appeal to most gamers. Even if MO was launched flawlessly with all features working and zero bugs the very features that attract it's core players would stop the average gamer from giving it a look.
The market for PvP games is smaller than PvE. The market for Sandbox is smaller than ThemePark. The market for FullLoot is probably even smaller than both of those and then it's further restricted by the 1st person view. When Herick says only 0.7% of MMO players have heard about MO and he will be targeting those other players in an advertising blitz... it just doesn't ring true to me. When he brags that there are 172,000 registered forum members... That is a HUGE chunk of the potential audience for this game. Also, the former players and early adopters are the ones MOST LIKELY to enjoy the game since they are the "niche" the game was created for. If those folks cannot be retained it is highly doubful that people outside the FFA-FullLoot-PvP niche will be enticed to play.. at least not for long. I mean.. honeslty.. think about those numbers. 172,000 folks who expressed an interest in the game by obtaining a forum account... that is a very large chunk of the "niche" who might subscribe to a FFA-FullLoot-FPSPvP game.
Still.. it's all a moot point if Mortal Online 2 doesn't live up to the hype. Guess we should see what happens with that before we start to debate potential future subscription numbers
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If the Epic Patch and perhaps the next few patches therafter deliver, I think you will find that the number of players unwilling to give MO a second chance pales in comparison to those players willing to give it a first chance.
The last Epic patch we had the same group of people who still post here claiming it would never live upto what was promised. Apprently the desync was 'impossible' to fix as it was so deep into their code or some shit. What happened? The desync was fixed. It transformed the game for the better. This Epic patch we have the same group of people, overhyped and with the realisation that the last epic patch delievered exactly what Epic Games said it would we have a new one; No one wants to play this genre anyways!!! 1.) Sit back, chill. See what happens. 2.) I'm fairly confident the next few upcoming patches will change the game drastically. 3.) We all knew the game was released before it should of been, even the devs have said that. After these changes they plan to market and advertise. Common sense dictates this will draw more players into the game. Very few really know of MO's existance and most that do are waiting on this patch.
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Let's stay focused on the topic here... Henrick is claiming that this new patch will be such a game-changer that it is the equivalent of Mortal Online 2. That is an incredibly bold claim to make.. considering that MO1 has only been released for 3 months...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
It always amazes me how only the mmo genre can release unfinished products in the market and somehow it is deemed acceptable. Like seriously.
Could you imagine buying something like Halo or mortal kombat and have the game incomplete? Like seriously this type of SHIT has to stop I don't care if it's an indy developer or whatever. FUCKING FINISH YOUR product before you release it!
Given the state of MO1, making an MO2 doesn't seem all that awe inspiring. If i'm being perfectly honest i'm pretty sure he's only making such bold claims due to what is happening with the Darkfall Xpac and all the claims that are associated with that.
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Bold? Yes. Crazy? Yes. Likely to bring back players? Doubtful. These claims make me feel like the developers are in a separate reality, where everything they touch turns to gold. Lol >.<
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from what i understand it isn't exactly going to be adding content which seems a major sticking point with current players
but
this might make it a bit easier to do so - - - provided SV can change their sole focus away from PVP for 5 minutes
I think the culture is changing.. many companies that have tried to shovel unfinished products on consumers have recently been slapped down hard. There was even an arcticle written a while ago about how people have begun to issue chargebacks against game companies that try to pawn-off unfinished products. If you search these forums you will find the links to it.
Branding the new patch Mortal Online 2 seems to go a step further. It seems to imply that the game they launched with was complete.. and now they are adding so much additional content and features that it should be considered a sequel. You can draw your own conclusions from his comments, which may of course be different from my own.
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"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
This might actually be first patch that fixes more than it breaks...as it's being done by Epic rather than Mortal team.
You know they released early because they would have went broke otherwise. I don't know why you pretend they released as if they had a choice like the people you try to compare them to.
They already stated it was incomplete. That's not some new revalation. Aside from the fact that MMO's never really are complete to begin with. But no, branding it MO2 because it will have a lot of additional features and content is not what they are saying since they have said that it allows them to fix a lot of the existing content and THEN add new content. I think they are saying that the game will be like it should have been when they released the first time like they are starting with a fresh slate and can really get to work making the game better instead of having to fight the client so much.
It almost appears to me as if you are trying to paint a picture now of what the patch should be according to you so that when the Epic patch hits and is a success (hopefully) you can detract from it based on your stated expectations now. Not to mention the appearance of making fun of Henrik's grasp of the English language by taking ambigous statements made by someone speaking a second language and trying to project your own meaning into their words.
With all the new features implemented with the Epic patch it will be almost like an entirely new game.
Think about it...
New higher resolution textures
Greater server stability
More combat features
More magic skills
Better Creature AI
Better taming system
More indepth crafting system
New minigames
A tavern system
New weapons and armor
Over a BILLION new weapon and armor combinations
More house types
Improved interpolation and prediction system
More crafting skills like alchemy, butchery, and wound treatment
Brand new easier to download/install client.
I think it would be fair to call the epic patch Mortal Online 2, even though you don't have to pay any thing extra for it.
Keep in mind that Henrik is not really going to rename Mortal Online to mortal online 2 he was just using the "2" to express the vast improvements the new epic patch will make.
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You couldn't be more off base. I never.. EVER make fun of someone speaking English as a second language as I have absolutely zero skill in speaking or understanding any foreign language myself. I have re-read my post and in no way shape or form do I see ANYTHING that could be construed as making fun of his (or anyone) speaking English so I have no idea where you are coming from with that assertion...
As for the rest.. it is not ME saying that this patch will be so evolutionary that it will change the game into Mortal Online 2. Those are Henrick's own words! It was even pointed out to him that he was setting himself up for a fall if this patch didn't deliver and he said "I stand by that sentence"...
[23:27] <[BRB]Mojoz> henrik don't make hype you won't be able to live upto, claiming its going to be "Mortal Online 2" is a massive statement to make o.O
[23:28] <@HenrikNystrom>; Mojoz, hehe I stand by that sentence
There is no extra-hyping here by anyone other than the CEO. HE has set the bar high now. HE was given a chance to perhaps re-state his thoughts and reconsider calling it the equivalent of MO2. HE confirmed that statement.
Now he has talked the talk... so we will see if he can walk the walk on patch day.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Except... most of what you posted will NOT be in the "Epic Patch".. Those are items to be added at a later date to be named at some point in the future. Do you really think that on the Epic Patch day you are going to see Alchemy, Butchery, Wound Treatment, Taverns, More Houses, a BILLION new weapons and armors, etc etc? I really doubt that. If everything on your list actually made it into the Epic Patch coming in a week or two.. yeah that would be an amazing improvement, but you are (I believe) hyping a fallacy.
Perhaps a few of the features you listed will make it into the patch.. most likely those directly related to stuff Epic did.. like improved prediction system and increased resolution. It is misleading in the extreme to claim that all of those features are going to be in the "Epic Patch"... but there is no need to argue, as the patch will release soon and we will compare the list above with what is actually in the Epic Patch.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Actually AoC is doing quite well with a large number of fans who returned and some who decided to give it a shot since the updates. AoC is not the kind of example you are looking for. If anything I would say DF is a better example of a failed mmo that tried to draw players back after they failed and yet they still fail.
The patch will "allow this" It doesn't mean it will just happen.
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So basically the Mortal Online team had to step aside and let another dev team do their work for them. I understand. Best wishes for people who have invested the money (players).
The problem with IRC is that it is unofficial. Bring it up on a the MO forum in the past and you will get spanked. I remember a dev going on about how revolutionary the thieving system will be. To be fair he didn't say when but did it ever have me excited. You would need real skill. It would "blow my mind".
Mortal IRC is practically a propaganda machine that you are never allowed to bring up again or hold them to. . . yet if you say there is not enough communication from the Devs. . people tell you to go to IRC. . and they wonder why some people get frustrated. Even Henrick did some back peddling there. I didn't see the questions but he says something at some point like "When did I say it would be completely different?" this was just after he got finished calling it MO2.
Henrick gets excited about his vision and the game and I get that. . but this over promise under deliver routine is wearing people out. And what do the fans say. . . They never promised that! They launched with what they said they would have!
Lets just take the new magic schools and flash being used for spells - will it work when launched, Maybe a small part of it. Maybe it won't work as intended etc. It might take them 3-4 months to "flesh it out" which could be delayed by squashing other bugs.
Yes the last epic patch fixed desych just like they said. . but they had to turn off a tonne of the features and reintroduce them slowly over the next while.
I don't mean to be so negative but it reminds me of watching that guy on podcasts etc on Warhammer Online. . he hyped it so much and then they delivered a lot of crap that didn't live up to it.
A small company should be underselling (as they claim they are) and over delivering (which they have almost done in a few areas). . . not the other way around (which they have done a tonne of). They are begging for flaming etc.
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