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Why are people complaining?
FearGX
Member Posts: 317
The game lets you pretty much be and do whatever you want, your not restricted to one class and 2 professions, you can be everything (if you level it all). Sure the game has some flaws like laggy menus, not enough mob spawns, no Auction house or Grand exchange system. But these things along with better optimization will come in time. I'd give it 1 or 2 months and the game will only get better.
It's not just some Console port, SE really wants it's fans and new players to have a awesome and fun experience in this game. Why would they spend Millions developing and testing it just to end up a poor game with no hope?
Give SE a chance, if you think about it, the game is not released yet, only for the collectors. In the next 2 - 3 major content patches, if nothings changed, I'd agree with the complainers and haters, but until then, stop crying guys.
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People in general complain and see the negative side of everything. There is no such thing as a person that dont complain and sees the positive side of things. That is the one thing I have learned in life.
*sniggers*
People have been giving developers a 'chance' (paying full price for half baked crap) for some time now.
Were sick of it.
Pretty much boils down to people dismissing and discrediting naysayers by calling them trolls, and folks buying the game in spite of the fact that some people are trying to advise them against doing so. Those people pay their $75++ to SE because they're fans of the company, the series, or FFXI (or are just desperate for a fresh game and/or something different) and wind up feeling cheated because of just how bad it is - to them. It's not like everyone has $80 to plop down on a completely unreturnable, untradable thing just to give it a shot, so they try to make an informed decision and find out the hard way that their coin-flip landed on the wrong side.
Frankly, I just wonder if what's going on with FFXIV would be tolerated with a completely different IP other than Final Fantasy.
Also, don't get me wrong. I'm just a casual observer of the goings on here, and am patiently waiting to get into the game myself either via buddy key or my own copy once the dust settles. Still, what's gone on this week is pretty difficult to ignore. It's unfortunate that the whole thing has turned into this whole 'Troll vs. Fanboi' scenario that's all too familiar to poor releases these days (ie. CO, DF, APB, etc. etc.).
At any rate, I think the best advice anyone can give or take is to just hang on and wait for things to improve and the dust to settle before blowing cash you really don't need to waste. That goes 2X on the CE, especially seeing that only thing that really looks valuable (aside from a true collector) is the early start.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
I have to agree with Karmath, and Shymmas. I'm not hating on FFXIV, cause I do realise it's way early, and different peeps like different stlyes of games, but I'm reffering to many MMO releases these days. They hype us up, get us ready for this great launch, and great gaming experience. We pre order 80 dollars boxes, pay 1, 3, 6, 12 months ahead of time. Log in and it's like a slap in the face.
I don't know about you, but when I spend 80 bucks on something, I want something decent. Devs are getting away with murder with these releases. Seriously think about it. 80 bucks for the game and 13 bucks a month for even 2 months till they get it right, that's 106 dollars. What game do you pay that much for? If you walked in a truck dealer, and order an F-250 Powerstroke with all the bells and whistles, and then show up and they have a Focus for ya..........yeah I think you'd spit fire, and rage some.
The bottom line is game developers need to be held responsible for this stuff. The market is too ripe with bigger better things. Look at Warhammer, huge hype, EA rushed it out the door, and now........merged servers, and a big loss in player base loyalties that Mythic had from DAOC. Not to mention a lack luster game all around. Again it's not just Squar Enix, it is all of them. It is time the players ban together, grow a set, and tell these guys to pound sand.
Vack
FF XIV - the single worse game to cross my hard drive, ever.
Basically OP you can wait it out if you want but I aint paying $13/m or whatever it is hoping they can turn it around, if you want my hard earned money you better deliver or I will take it somewhere else.
Man I just glad i didnt buy this game in Japan! if i payed like 170$ for this game in its current condition i would be pretty mad.
What miracle patch? Not a single MMO has received one. At best they evolve into something better with time.
Unfortunately, friend, ya can't hate on people, who may not have had the time to "research" or do the beta test, or read countless threads on a game. Honestly, the pre release threads were a mixed lot, with some promissing views from veteren players...So again, not a valid arguement. Not every game is for every person, but ya can't be hating on people that they deserve to lose money, because they believed in a bill of goods, that they might feel was not delivered. That's just being a bad sport.
Vack
FF XIV - the single worse game to cross my hard drive, ever.
So, the best you can do in what's a more civil post than most is come in and pull a fanboi troll? I'll still respond to you.
I'm pretty positive I covered that as thoroughly as necessary in the highlighted yellow portions of my post. As for having weeks of OB access; sure some did. I'm sure a lot of people did. Still, there was the highly touted 'unreleased content' and the threads on the beta client size vs. the potential release size. Many were spouting off as if it were fact that the release would be far larger, and contain much more content than beta, which SE was just "holding back" from OB so that it wasn't used as an outright trial. Some folks bought into that notion, and carried on with their orders. Still others didn't have the opportunity to get into the 'open beta' due to the site's issues, the bombardment of people trying to get keys, and others who had technical issues in even getting the game to run (patcher problems, driver issues, etc.). Certainly, it's their fault.
What's left to do? Listen to the constant retort from "matter-of-fact" fans who sound as if they're giving factual solid information while trying to defuse a dissatisfied player's concerns? Or perhaps take some random "troll's" advice who came here disgruntled with how the beta ran? Maybe they should just force themselves to like it since you seem to believe that anyone buying the game should absolutely spend their time playing it regardless of the result.
At any rate, it's been of no affect to me, so if any of your post was directed at me, you can keep it to yourself. I tried the beta, and was not so enamored as to think I needed to rush out and pre-order. Others were not as fortunate, and to sit there behind your keyboard saying people "deserve to lose .. their money" is just pathetic. Perhaps you should go actually earn a few of your own dollars and understand the value of them before you talk about such things.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Just in case you haven't noticed there has been almost no marketing for this. SE isn't worried about whether you buy and subscribe or not. They are doing just fine with all the people that are FF fans and with people like me that are playing FF for the first time and loving it. So if you don't think you would like FFXIV then by all means don't buy it. Those of us who are fans really only want people who like the game playing, not a bunch of people who bought something that was wrong for them and are constantly running around complaining about it.
For people who are interested I'll again point out that MMORPG is a great site for getting information about a lot of different games but not meant to specialize in one game. So these forums have more people who don't like the game. People who like the game have migrated to fan sites so if you are hearing things about the game that interest you be sure you visit some of those sites to hear more balanced discussions of the game.
There are a lot of people who are really enjoying this game and support sites are coming online quickly. Here are three FFXIV forum sites I know about and there are more coming everyday.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?cat=153&csforums=1
http://www.ffxivcore.com/
http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/forums/final-fantasy-xiv/
It is because people love to believe that opinions are equivalent to facts. Maybe one day we will see more maturity, but probably not. And no, I do not like this game at all, I hate almost every aspect about it, but as stated earlier that is just my personal opinion, it does look like a well made game that fits a specific crowd's appetite.
East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011
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Current game: DAOC
Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.
Waiting on: Earthrise
Names: Citio, Goldie, Sportacus
I love this time of year, release time, people rush headlong into buying an MMO based on nothing but their own furtive imaginations.
If you buy a car based on how you imagine it might drive, based upon its apearance, then don't complain when it fails to deliver on your preconcieved ideas. If you've played beta an still bought the CE version and now hate it, then who is to blame?
If $80 is worth crying over shouldn't you be more careful with your money?
agreed 100%, if you don't have the time to research and understand the product your buying then you deserve to lose that money. I bought a racing game once and it was terrible, i looked 5 mins by pumping the games name into google and got everything about it and found out if i had taken those 5 mins i would have saved myself the 40 bucks, it doesn't take countless threads, it takes looking around. I didn't, so i lost the money. The store didn't take it back either. I sold it on amazon for 40 bucks. and got my money back, mostly.
The point is, those playing right now, preorder the CE, the CE is "suppose" to be for those that love the game, hence why they get all those "goodies" it's not meant for the casual gamer. Those come later when you just buy the box at a reduced price.
Basically if you don't do research on a game before you buy it, then expect surprises and for them not all to be good. This is true even if it's part of a series. I've done tons of research into TOR and still like it, thats why i'm going to buy it when it comes out. Assuming BW doesn't do something stupid. But thats sorta off topic. The reason people are complaining is because they bought something, didn't like it are unable to return it, feel the need to try to tell others about it. Then get mad when people say they don't care or try to explain why it's not actually a flaw just a personal choice.
Least thats the way i see it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Eh, I think the problem the OP doesn't see is that a lot of people who are into the genre are tired of the whole 'Give it a while it might get better' line.
People can research a game till their eyeballs fall out, but sadly a lot of the info about games come from extremist viewpoints (fanboy/hater) and reviewers who were told to make a positive review for the sake of ad sales. Most people look more toward the opinion of their peers when it comes to gathering insight on a game.
That's why a lot of people will ask for opinions on forums, which sadly end up becoming a fist fight as fanboy's will jump at any chance to discredit any negative comments with insane promises of miracle patches and pleas of 'give it a few weeks', 'it has potential' and my favorite line of 'get to level XX and then say the game sucks".
Meanwhile haters will resort to posting the same copy/paste responses, either copy/pasting other peoples complaints or just replying with 'This game sucks' with little or no elaboration on why it 'sucks'.
Bottom line is players want a game thats fun for them. Not everyone is going to like a game that you like and at the same time not everyone is going to want to wait weeks/months/years for the game they bought today to get better (the 'Buy now, Play later' trend in a lot of MMOs...). Also many people feel it's a duty to tell people their opinion of the game, in the hopes that they might save someone else the trouble of wasting money on a game they might not like. And while their opinion of the game might be different from your opinion of the game, it doesn't make them any more right nor wrong than you. Telling someone their opinion of a game is wrong because you like it is akin to telling someone they are wrong because they don't like the color blue and you do. It doesn't mean you are any more intelligent or have better taste and that they are mouth breathing dregs. It just means they don't share the same fondness of that color as you do. Same for gaming.
As to the whole 'Why are people complaining?' line: It's simple:
The game runs like ass on some systems while on similar systems it runs fine.
The patching system is horrible and no one should have to resort to bit torrent to find these files.
In game quest restrictions and lack of mob populations is a bit annoying to some people.
In game menu systems being a chore to navigate is annoying and many people won't deal with it (specially in a PC game - making dual menu systems, one for PC players and one for PS3 players wouldn't be all that hard to do, even if it was just combining a few layers for the PC crowd.)
As for why I didn't like the game:
It felt dull. The world was really detailed and the effects were amazing (walking out of a cave and getting that 'omg the sun! it burns!' vision effect was nice) but overall the game world felt lifeless and controlled (you can only go this way because there is an invisible wall here...). World mob populations were scarce at best (even after head start launch) and guild leves felt like they decided to get rid of the 'find the quest giver' aspect of MMOs and replaced it with a gigantic crystal (which to me is the same as an NPC with a quest marker floating above their head, only that the crystal seemed to be an 'all in one' quest giver...)
The story quests were actually really well written (if you could get past a few grammatical errors and see it as a whole) but some of those NPC could chat for way too long.... Voice over, even just for these people, would have been nice.
The game plays like pretty much every other MMO, only at a slightly slower pace. You have the same button mashing skills, only some of them take a bit more button clicks to accomplish. Stamina loss while fighting made combat feel even slower in some fights.
The game itself feels like SE didn't really care about the PC player base, because a lot of obvious UI alterations could have been made for PC players (which many other games have done between different platforms) were just ignored. To me it just feels like PC players are looked at more as paying testers than players.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I see this comment in every new MMO forum come release and I wonder what people actually expect? It's akin to saying;
"The latest release by XXX blues band sounded just like blues music, same tempo, same style, same instruments...how boring"
genre springs to mind.... Complaining that you still press the mouse button to fire and awsd to move in an FPS game is a stupid comment to make hence we don't see that.
Eh, its not the system I don't like (I had no real issue with it) it's more the way other people presented it. Everyone talked about this indepth combat system and 'It plays totally different from other MMOs' when in fact it played the same, only slower and slightly more clicky.
But every positive review ive seen fans giving about the game talks about how 'different' the game plays, when in fact it plays the same as everything else. Slower pace =/= different, just slower.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
It's not totally different, but it IS different - the stamina bar does play a minor role, but you also have targeting locks and a lack of auto attacking that makes it play more like a turn-based single-player game than what we're used to from MMOs. You're still targeting and using a skill bar, but that's really where the similarities end.
Aye, this is what I am talking about.
What differences it does have are minor and are mostly something you really wont notice. Lack of an auto attack option just means more clicking/button spamming than normal and really doesn't add much to the overall game. Stamina drain is nothing new to MMOs (though many MMOs just avoid using it) and is usually augmented and presented differently (sorta like energy/rage in something like WoW).
In your post you don't try to make the system sound as different as others have, and you also point out that it's just minor differences. But if you look back on a lot of threads, you will see when someone brings up any negative comments about the UI or combat, someone always makes a reply that the poster doesn't get it because the system is totally different from other MMOs, when there really isn't anything different save for pacing and speed of the gameplay and a few minor differences such as auto attack and stam drain.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
The only thing i dont like is no new races. Other than that it does not seem that bad. Even FF11 did NOT have a tutorial or YELLOW ! above quest givers heads. Some People imo are just getting to use to getting things TO easy.
Edit: oh and on one other note,are people getting to lazy to read a manual or something. im pretty sure there are threads or one will come with the game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Making features un intutitve does not make a game hard or harcore, it just makes it annoying. If spells and abilities and whatnot took 5 key presses and required you to aim fps style that would constitute hardcore. However using the age old ! is crap i agree, why not try something original for once is my question. Even a *** over a npc's head would be refreshing to a point.
Simply put I think the biggest problems have to deal with expectations and the mmo player as it exist post WoW (no I am not blaming WoW for anything except expanding the market a good thing in general so I am not flaming the game at all)
Expectations for FFXIV should have not been as high as they were it was over hyped by every1 early on. I have researched and kept up with the game for months so there were no major surprises. Some of the loyalty your seeing to the brand comes from the transformation seen in FFXI from release to the current product so many fan realize the same is likely to happen here over time. Does that mean I think everyone should go out and buy it? No not really. At the moment the amount of mmo players that existed when FFXI first came out has greatly increased. The fact is there are many more people in the market for a good mmo and the forget this game is niche and lose their capability to do good research when they think "new". The expectations in general are for some revolutionary game to end all games and the fact is no even knows if that's in the works. FFXIV is a game where many of the fans knew what to expect and are defending the game left and right out of frustration while many new comers jumped with out looking and paid the price literally where if they had done their research they could have decided the game was just not for them. My point being we have a slew of new gamers (relatively new) who are shaped by the past 6 years of the industry while you have SE making rookie mistakes and trying to make up for it. One lat note any1 b*tching about PvP is in the wrong FFXI had no real focus on PvP ans the game focused heavily early in the game on community. One of the biggest reason you need to do research are for points like that.
I don't understand why so many people are hating on the FFXIV forums. Surely you would go to these forums if you have interest or enjoying the game?
I'm sure the game will get better, but I have to say... as it stands now..... It's just a grind, maybe the worse grind I have ever been apart of.. not only do you need to grind one class, but more then one class..plus you have to craft if you want anything and that in it's self is a time sink sent from hell. I understand that it's new and the servers are hitting max pop... well the good servers if you will... but damn, running around trying to kill monsters to lvl after your leve's and your LS leve's you grouped with is HELL.... You think AION was bad, holy hell.. AION is like a walk in the park compared to FFXIV