Yeah. I was led to believe that sites like these were driven to support and discuss the MMO's that we play and love. Scary that this isn't the case...
Why is it always the "fans" of these games that want to limit the scope of discussion? Sites like these are designed for people to discuss mmo's, whether its positive or negative comments. How about they consolidate all the "we love FF14" posts in one sticky? If you want a site that doesn't allow negativety about your precious, then just visit the official fourms. Oh wait...FF14 doesn't have any. Guess you're stuck here with all the meanies.
No I am not like that.. I am fine with people discussing the pros and cons of a game. But the level of negativity is really atrocious, just uncalled for. And I'd rather hear something constructive for once, rather than something stupid like "This Blows."
You may not think you're like that, but thats what you implied in your post. The OP gave his reasons why he didn't like FF14. What more were you looking for? Compare that to another topic started by a "fan" http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/292932/I-like-this-game.html , with a topic title of "I like this game". His profound reasons why he likes it " Why? I just do. Looks pretty, has a storyline, and is keeping me entertained."
Theres much less depth to his reasons for liking the game as there is here from the OP for disliking the game yet because he likes FF14 that seems to be an acceptable post for the "fans". It seems the "fans" expect those with criticisms to fully explain themselves yet don't hold those that post how much they love the game to the same standards. This is the norm, however, on forums.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
You know I happen to like the game very much. It's a good change of pace and looks better than cartoon warcraft, unfortunately all the goodness in the world can't make me enjoy a game that is slow and unresponsive.
I find myself more often than not banging on buttons crying out loud "WHY WON'T YOU ATTACK FOR F^&#$'S SAKE!"
I bought the game so I'm stuck on this cruise but I hope they fix the server lag soon so I can continue to enjoy what I consider a classic gem remade. Till then FF you sit unsubb'd on my desktop.
According to the "fanboys", Square Enix was supposed to add content in the retail version and the beta was supposed to be 10% of the game.
Show me any link stating that.
Exaggerating won't help your cause.
Also saying what's your pc specs and settings you used in config could help in seeing maybe there's a solution to what you said earlier "I died 3 times because a monster was hitting me when I couldn't hit."
According to the "fanboys", Square Enix was supposed to add content in the retail version and the beta was supposed to be 10% of the game.
Show me any link stating that.
Exaggerating won't help your cause.
Talk about honesty...
I've read that statement, from several persons, on this very forum, among others. Many SE fans were claiming that OB was a "typical demo" limited to a mere 10% of what was to be expected at launch. To be honest, I thought it was unlikely yet technically possible (Jap demos of games are, indeed, like that).
Those "hidden 90%" to be implemented, combined with a strong improvement of the UI, was called as usual "miracle patch" by its detractors, hinting that it wasn't real to them--based on the fact that it just never happens in MMO, even in video games altogether for that matter.
Come release, SE did improve the UI latency to a point that may satisfy a large minority of people, but most are still put off by the pace--not of the game or combat itself (pretty fast actually), but of the responsiveness of the in-game elements (characters, spells, menus).
You should really read for more than a few minutes because you claim to know what's been said.
I know many people can confirm this "10% claim" on MMORPG.com.
According to the "fanboys", Square Enix was supposed to add content in the retail version and the beta was supposed to be 10% of the game.
Show me any link stating that.
Exaggerating won't help your cause.
Talk about honesty...
I've read that statement, from several persons, on this very forum, among others. Many SE fans were claiming that OB was a "typical demo" limited to a mere 10% of what was to be expected at launch. To be honest, I thought it was unlikely yet technically possible (Jap demos of games are, indeed, like that).
Those "hidden 90%" to be implemented, combined with a strong improvement of the UI, was called as usual "miracle patch" by its detractors, hinting that it wasn't real to them--based on the fact that it just never happens in MMO, even in video games altogether for that matter.
Come release, SE did improve the UI latency to a point that may satisfy a large minority of people, but most are still put off by the pace--not of the game or combat itself (pretty fast actually), but of the responsiveness of the in-game elements (characters, spells, menus).
You should really read for more than a few minutes because you claim to know what's been said.
I know many people can confirm this "10% claim" on MMORPG.com.
That one didn't get debunked until within under 24 hours of the game's release. It wasn't the only thread, but I already went back 16 pages to dig that one up. More to the point; the concept within was referenced pretty much over and over in defense of the game's pre-release state. You just need to go back to before the 21st and look around.
Just to give this further credence, one of the more popular pre-release fanboi v. troll threads was Man another MMO flop. A few quick links to the repeated claims of the above; #21, #31, #34.
Also, just because it's really that easy to find stuff on it, a quick little trip back to the 21st over on FFXIVcore found this thread within just a few seconds of getting to posts around that date. Interestingly enough, people were taking this information as absolute fact, given that it had such a source as ZaM. Pretty hard to deny that as an influence.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
My point was, all of this (which basically state the same thing) could all be in one thread and have the same effect. There was two i hate FF14 in the 10 second refresh list. Most MMo communities warn/ban the person for making a topic that is already going. It's not like these post are 2 days old or something or abandoned they are still going strong, then someone else comes up and says i hate the UI, the combat is slow. Theres no AH.
This isn't directed at the OP but seriously. why the new topic? those complaints i listed off were said from about 10 other people on this forum.
I say they should be merged because they are basically saying the same thing. Lets not bog down the board with new post when ones directly related are still going strong.
Heres some of the post in my recently Visited Thread list.
Why Square Enix why? (this topic)
Awful performance, bad design, why do they sell it?
I don't think i've ever seen a AAA game so badly recieved.
and
God awful
all of these are in the category i like to call "I hate FF14" because they are all basically saying the same thing.
I choose this thread because it's getting tiring seeing the same thread with the same complaints over and over again, I guess You (the OP) got unlucky but that happens when things like this occur. I hate wading through all these i hate FF14 posts to find something interesting to post about.
Thats some damning evidence you have got there. Well its been interesting all I have to say. I have never seen an MMO thats been this talked about everywhere the good and the bad(in my MMO experiences) and probably wont till TOR.
I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Yes, this is getting rather old now. Also comparing a Final Fantasy MMORPG to its Offline counter parts doesn't seem fair.
He was using a good/bad scale.
He thinks that most other Square/Enix games were good. He thinks FFXIV is bad.
And it looks like overall he's a Square/Enix fan. A pretty serious one too. He has just been disappointed with this particular game of theirs. I don't think it's unfair to anyone or anything that he feels that way.
Still a weak comparison. Would you think the same if he compared say Super Mario Brother series to Paper Mario or Super Mario RPG? They are for diiferent audiences. And they are only linked in name.
I would if I expected that the makers always make good games only to find that one of the games was not. I would think you've heard of people buying games on the strength of a developers name before. The op didn't as far as I saw make any other comparison other than to say he found SE's other offline games (and I think even the first mmo) to be fun games and this one not.
I'm sorry to have to make fans of the game on this post aware but the criticism of this game is not relegated simply to this site and as one poster stated there is truth in numbers. I for one am not going to predict this games doom or demise but what I can say is there will likely be a very vocal number of supporters of this game disappointed by what they get.
I hope it's none of you guys and you're totally satisfied with what SE releases but this game is going to have a hard time meeting expectations going by what the readers of mmorpg say, and if you guys are new here believe me when I say this community get's it right way more than they get it wrong.
New Coke failed
KFC's Hot n Spicy failed
AC2 failed
Expecting the same experience from a company producing a different product is both foolish and fool-hardy. If Blizzard decided to release a puzzle game tommorrow should I expect the same level of production I see in Diablo 3? I don't follow companies blindly, but I do follow companies. Just like I don't buy things blindly, but I do buy things.
I tell you a little story from my past that still sticks with me today. Years ago a friend and I played a game called Zillion on the Master System. Loved it. Some time down the line we saw Zillion 2 coming down the pipeline. We took one look at the pics and proclaimed: "What is this sh-t!". Later we rented it because we were curious about the game anyway and lo and behold they turned a awesome game from an action rpg into a action shooter. Glad we didn't jump the gun on that one. Did it change the fact that we still like Sega games? Nope. But it did reinforce the notion that you should know what you're buying BEFORE you buy it.
And for the record, most people loved Zillion 2 more than the original Zillion.....something about less thinking in order to play the game and transforming motorcycles.....go figure.
OMG! Someone else that played Zillion! That game rocked!
As for everone else, go to every other game fourm in this site. Its no holds bar on the games and I appreacate it. Somethimes you really get the honest skinny of a game, because people can let loose. As for making them 1 post, heh, what a wall of text that would be
I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Sometimes there is truth in numbers.
What numbers? This site and their members is hardly a good indicator of well..... anything.
Anyone else feel that this forum has become a support group for people who don't like the game and don't want to like the game?
Turn this around any way you like, if you're honest you'll have to admit the overall feeling about this game is not that good.
It's like grunty sayd, the thruth is in the numbers.
If these threads were raving feedbacks then I'm sure you wouldn't have mind them not being consolidated.
You like the game, we get it allready ... a lot of people don't, respect that.
On a sidenote, if you hate this site so much and think the game is the best thing ever ... why are you posting here and not playing?
I wasn't picking a side I was just saying either way for the better or worse these forums or any other for that matter don't indicate anything.
I don't care if their consolidated or not it makes no difference how you format them its still a small representation of the population.
This is a small community of people and not the entire population.
What percentage of the actual player base actually posts on these forums?
I never said the game was the best game ever I do however enjoy it and if a person doesn't like it that is entirely up to them but to come to any message board and try to sway it either way as the best game or worse game based on that message boards community is very weak.
To answer your sidenote:
Played the game for almost 20 hours since Fri... 36 married, work 45-50hours a week, workout etc etc....
it is a game and one I enjoy but its not something I rotate my life around, as for the forums its just something I do before bed or work or when I have a few min.
ui lag is mostly gone. instead of "dialog opens and client hangs" you now got "dialog takes ages to open, but client doesnt hang, you just cant do anything else at that point".
mining nodes are not shared, but can get exhausted when you get a lot of people mining at the same time (starting areas are full of people), harvesting points move around when people harvest and you often get "nothing" when more than 1 person is harvesting.
crafing is in my opinion broken. sure you can make stuff and all, but the hierarchy of ingredients is broken (low level items need high level items as ingredient) and you need outside websites and item dbs because the recipes you learn dont get listed ingame. you could write them down when you learn them, but its spammed in the chat window next to the other 200 msg. per second (you receive all messages around you).
horrible patcher
lag is unbearable. downtimes at prime time without proper notice (their info page is a joke)
allready seen queues.
lack of mobs.
map/radar broken
cheaters running around everywhere allready, using xp cheats.
no official forums (find your own info/community).
there is no content. just repetition. the magic patch is where ? maybe starts at sep. 30 ?
quick hack outside website as info page with recipes (lodestone...) . horrible user experience again with 1mil translation errors (non english parts).
even the server status messages have wrong dates and the translation is a joke.
lot of other stuff broken left and right. i wonder whats sqex is trying to do, except pissing off customers. sure fanboys like and defend it.
I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Sometimes there is truth in numbers.
What numbers? This site and their members is hardly a good indicator of well..... anything.
Anyone else feel that this forum has become a support group for people who don't like the game and don't want to like the game?
Turn this around any way you like, if you're honest you'll have to admit the overall feeling about this game is not that good.
It's like grunty sayd, the thruth is in the numbers.
If these threads were raving feedbacks then I'm sure you wouldn't have mind them not being consolidated.
You like the game, we get it allready ... a lot of people don't, respect that.
On a sidenote, if you hate this site so much and think the game is the best thing ever ... why are you posting here and not playing?
I wasn't picking a side I was just saying either way for the better or worse these forums or any other for that matter don't indicate anything.
I don't care if their consolidated or not it makes no difference how you format them its still a small representation of the population.
This is a small community of people and not the entire population.
What percentage of the actual player base actually posts on these forums?
I never said the game was the best game ever I do however enjoy it and if a person doesn't like it that is entirely up to them but to come to any message board and try to sway it either way as the best game or worse game based on that message boards community is very weak.
To answer your sidenote:
Played the game for almost 20 hours since Fri... 36 married, work 45-50hours a week, workout etc etc....
it is a game and one I enjoy but its not something I rotate my life around, as for the forums its just something I do before bed or work or when I have a few min.
Don't you have anything better to do?
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this statement.
I do think this forum indicates something, it might be it's a bit sharp around the edges when it comes to opions and feedback, offensive maybe at times, but it gives an overall feeling about how a game behaves.
I used to be someone who bought a game just because I wanted a new game and believed the hype. Now I've learned to wait, read, digest (if I'm lucky do a btest), and then buy or don't buy.
And tbh, this site has saved me alot of euros allready.
It's fine for someone to express their disappointment with the game. Personally I built myself a new computer in order to try it out because I just knew it was going to be the best game out there. Sadly I was wrong.
I would be too busy playing instead of wasting time posting on forums defending it If I really liked FFXIV.
I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Sometimes there is truth in numbers.
What numbers? This site and their members is hardly a good indicator of well..... anything.
Anyone else feel that this forum has become a support group for people who don't like the game and don't want to like the game?
The game is great any real gamer will realise this. What is posted here is of no matter , the haters with chips on their shoulders have forgotten how to enjoy.
Having played near all MMOs for the last 10 years , this game FFXIV is definitley a joy to behold and if it is a litle different or community based who cares. I don't the game is fantastic will have lots of longevity.
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I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Sometimes there is truth in numbers.
What numbers? This site and their members is hardly a good indicator of well..... anything.
Anyone else feel that this forum has become a support group for people who don't like the game and don't want to like the game?
The game is great any real gamer will realise this. What is posted here is of no matter , the haters with chips on their shoulders have forgotten how to enjoy.
Having played near all MMOs for the last 10 years , this game FFXIV is definitley a joy to behold and if it is a litle different or community based who cares. I don't the game is fantastic will have lots of longevity.
I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Sometimes there is truth in numbers.
What numbers? This site and their members is hardly a good indicator of well..... anything.
Anyone else feel that this forum has become a support group for people who don't like the game and don't want to like the game?
The game is great any real gamer will realise this. What is posted here is of no matter , the haters with chips on their shoulders have forgotten how to enjoy.
Having played near all MMOs for the last 10 years , this game FFXIV is definitley a joy to behold and if it is a litle different or community based who cares. I don't the game is fantastic will have lots of longevity.
Why do you do this?
yes seriously, any REAL GAMER would notice thats he gets ripped off by a stubborn publisher and a bunch of lazy programmers. i mean 10 years of experience with all mmos ? your still there its seems because 10 years ago games were 100% better except for gfx (ffxiv's only strong point atm). your longevity is called 'repetition', come back here in one week.
The game is great any real gamer will realise this. What is posted here is of no matter , the haters with chips on their shoulders have forgotten how to enjoy.
Having played near all MMOs for the last 10 years , this game FFXIV is definitley a joy to behold and if it is a litle different or community based who cares. I don't the game is fantastic will have lots of longevity.
Why do you do this?
Because only a "real gamer" will buy a unfinished piece of crap game. Most normal gamers don't have the time or the money to spend on each and every game that comes out and therefore expect to get their monies worth when they buy a game. But a "real gamer" being as awesome as they are, are able to see past the bugs, dcs, lazy level design and enjoy a game no matter how bad it is.
Man reading this i am getting flashbacks of the Darkfall release when the word "hardcore" was thrown around to defend virtually everything that was wrong with that game.
"It is my opinion, that my opinions are always right"
I think the mods should merge all of these threads into one big I don't like FF14. We get a new one of these ever 10 mins or so.
Sometimes there is truth in numbers.
What numbers? This site and their members is hardly a good indicator of well..... anything.
Anyone else feel that this forum has become a support group for people who don't like the game and don't want to like the game?
The game is great any real gamer will realise this. What is posted here is of no matter , the haters with chips on their shoulders have forgotten how to enjoy.
Having played near all MMOs for the last 10 years , this game FFXIV is definitley a joy to behold and if it is a litle different or community based who cares. I don't the game is fantastic will have lots of longevity.
Why do you do this?
It's what I call the "Amazon.com Method".
The purpose is two-fold.
1. It pre-emptively dismisses any opinion that differs from his.
2. Self edification; he's automatically categorizing himself as "a real gamer".... by his own definition.
Go to Amazon.com and look up a music review for any given band - particularly in rock or metal. Guaranteed, you'll see the behavior. "Any real fan of -band here- will agree that this is their best album ever". A few reviews later, you might see someone saying "any real fan of -same band here- will agree that this album is trash"... And on.
It's a way for closed-minded people to "protect" themself from the harsh reality that their opinions aren't sacred and others aren't going to agree with them.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I bought the CE because Squaresoft - Square-Enix made so many good games such as FFIV VI VII IX X XII and even XIII that was fun, Dragon Quest, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger etc etc...
I thought that they were going to add awesome things in the retail version.
But now I feel like Square Enix used my faith to make money.
I can't believe Square Enix made that, so I've been trying hard to like the game since the CE launch.
But the truth is... this game is horrible. Throwing 65$ out of the window would have been the same.
Anyone else feels like he was scammed by Square Enix?
When i was younger i used to be like the majority,buying anything and everything that was new.I no longer do this,i try first and pay later,so i cannot be scammed or let down anymore..I was however dumb enough to buy FFXIII,not so much becuase i thought the game was going to be good,i had already witnessed several crap xpacs for FFXI and a horrible FFXII,it was mainly because i was planning on playing FFXIV on the PS3 which i had to go out and buy.This was again a big mistake FFXIII was just crap and then Square announced the PS3 FFXIV would be delayed by several months,so i was lied to by Sqaure and did not buy the PC version nor will i buy this game for any version.
People often argue that a game is not for you,so move on,it has NOTHING to do with that in this case.I merely look at wha ta developer is trying to do and i feel Square was trying to cut corners on the entire project,it is not a good effort.This trend has been magnified wit htheir super lazy/cheap effort in the latest FFXI mini xpacs,but really started way back in TOAU while trying to sell us an xpac that rehashed old game maps,again lazy and cheap.So if a developer does not treat it's paying customer fairly,i will not support them.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
There's no need for calling terms as 'any real gamer' from any side, tastes and what we find important in games differ from one person to another, it's as simple as that.
There were whole hordes of MMO gamers that found AoC 'utter fail' when it came out; well, I and others that played it had a blast of a time, some of the greatest experiences in my MMO gaming life has been in AoC. Did that mean I wasn't annoyed with some of the bugs or performance issues those first months after it came out? Of course not, I only didn't let these annoyances come in the way of me having fun with the things in the game that did work fantastic and were great fun.
Same went for Aion and CO.
We don't have all the same taste in MMO games. And you know what, we don't need to have all the same taste.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
According to the "fanboys", Square Enix was supposed to add content in the retail version and the beta was supposed to be 10% of the game.
Show me any link stating that.
Exaggerating won't help your cause.
Talk about honesty...
I've read that statement, from several persons, on this very forum, among others. Many SE fans were claiming that OB was a "typical demo" limited to a mere 10% of what was to be expected at launch. To be honest, I thought it was unlikely yet technically possible (Jap demos of games are, indeed, like that).
Those "hidden 90%" to be implemented, combined with a strong improvement of the UI, was called as usual "miracle patch" by its detractors, hinting that it wasn't real to them--based on the fact that it just never happens in MMO, even in video games altogether for that matter.
Come release, SE did improve the UI latency to a point that may satisfy a large minority of people, but most are still put off by the pace--not of the game or combat itself (pretty fast actually), but of the responsiveness of the in-game elements (characters, spells, menus).
You should really read for more than a few minutes because you claim to know what's been said.
I know many people can confirm this "10% claim" on MMORPG.com.
So now people believe every random post here?
Till it's claimed by SE what % was left out all there is on this forum is just speculation at best.
True in open beta some things were locked but to say percentages is just stupid when you don't know what was even locked.
We don't have all the same taste in MMO games. And you know what, we don't need to have all the same taste.
Exactly. Some folks won't like 14. Some will. I do. Are there things that can be changed, sure. If they had more documentation rather than a ' do it yourself' a lot of unhappy folks would have been less unhappy. Not immediate fanbois but less unhappy.
I should like to mention that I joined a linkshell last night and a very helpful one. I was on for an hour and I learned more about the chat options than I could have imagined. Heck, just learning the CTRL+R (after opening a chat box) was a godsend. And at the same time, I was able to give several 'tips' I had discovered to my new guildies (linkshellies?)....
Regretfully, on the 30th (not that I begrudge the non-CE players the right to play) we'll have a whole new round of 'I Hate 14' postings here. Fr some reason they stay to the front and 'I like/love' posts go to the back of the bus....perhaps we the 'likers' should agree to make 1 attempt to comment on the negatives and then drop it. We keep those less than positive posts alive as much as the other side does.
(Also not, I don't have issues with people mentioning their negative thoughts but when they get beyond a simple 'stated fact' and going all postal/emotional, it become tedious)
Concentrate on the subject boys. The point isn't the game being good or bad, it's the terrible decision he made without doing his homework first.
No it is not, that was where the thread was derailed too. The thread is about someone who is clearly a bug SE fan being bitterly disappointed by their most recent piece of work. It is ironic of course that without all the posts stating why people are sad, disappointed, frustrated etc. it would be hard to "do ones homework".
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You may not think you're like that, but thats what you implied in your post. The OP gave his reasons why he didn't like FF14. What more were you looking for? Compare that to another topic started by a "fan" http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/292932/I-like-this-game.html , with a topic title of "I like this game". His profound reasons why he likes it " Why? I just do. Looks pretty, has a storyline, and is keeping me entertained."
Theres much less depth to his reasons for liking the game as there is here from the OP for disliking the game yet because he likes FF14 that seems to be an acceptable post for the "fans". It seems the "fans" expect those with criticisms to fully explain themselves yet don't hold those that post how much they love the game to the same standards. This is the norm, however, on forums.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
You know I happen to like the game very much. It's a good change of pace and looks better than cartoon warcraft, unfortunately all the goodness in the world can't make me enjoy a game that is slow and unresponsive.
I find myself more often than not banging on buttons crying out loud "WHY WON'T YOU ATTACK FOR F^&#$'S SAKE!"
I bought the game so I'm stuck on this cruise but I hope they fix the server lag soon so I can continue to enjoy what I consider a classic gem remade. Till then FF you sit unsubb'd on my desktop.
Show me any link stating that.
Exaggerating won't help your cause.
Also saying what's your pc specs and settings you used in config could help in seeing maybe there's a solution to what you said earlier "I died 3 times because a monster was hitting me when I couldn't hit."
Concentrate on the subject boys. The point isn't the game being good or bad, it's the terrible decision he made without doing his homework first.
Talk about honesty...
I've read that statement, from several persons, on this very forum, among others. Many SE fans were claiming that OB was a "typical demo" limited to a mere 10% of what was to be expected at launch. To be honest, I thought it was unlikely yet technically possible (Jap demos of games are, indeed, like that).
Those "hidden 90%" to be implemented, combined with a strong improvement of the UI, was called as usual "miracle patch" by its detractors, hinting that it wasn't real to them--based on the fact that it just never happens in MMO, even in video games altogether for that matter.
Come release, SE did improve the UI latency to a point that may satisfy a large minority of people, but most are still put off by the pace--not of the game or combat itself (pretty fast actually), but of the responsiveness of the in-game elements (characters, spells, menus).
You should really read for more than a few minutes because you claim to know what's been said.
I know many people can confirm this "10% claim" on MMORPG.com.
Here you go here is someone saying only 10% of content is in OB
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3786915#3786915
Also articles like this were taken by rabid fans and used against open beta testers that were giving legit reviews of the horridness of this game.
http://news.mmosite.com/content/2010-02-02/ffxiv_alpha_test_coming_soon_with_10_percent_of_game_content.shtml
Posters like this tricked people into really thinking the game was magically fixed over night and now those people are pissed.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3812978#3812978
FFXIV Release = 22 GB; Open Beta = 9 GB
That one didn't get debunked until within under 24 hours of the game's release. It wasn't the only thread, but I already went back 16 pages to dig that one up. More to the point; the concept within was referenced pretty much over and over in defense of the game's pre-release state. You just need to go back to before the 21st and look around.
Just to give this further credence, one of the more popular pre-release fanboi v. troll threads was Man another MMO flop. A few quick links to the repeated claims of the above; #21, #31, #34.
Also, just because it's really that easy to find stuff on it, a quick little trip back to the 21st over on FFXIVcore found this thread within just a few seconds of getting to posts around that date. Interestingly enough, people were taking this information as absolute fact, given that it had such a source as ZaM. Pretty hard to deny that as an influence.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Turn this around any way you like, if you're honest you'll have to admit the overall feeling about this game is not that good.
It's like grunty sayd, the thruth is in the numbers.
If these threads were raving feedbacks then I'm sure you wouldn't have mind them not being consolidated.
You like the game, we get it allready ... a lot of people don't, respect that.
On a sidenote, if you hate this site so much and think the game is the best thing ever ... why are you posting here and not playing?
You call it hate ... I see disappointment mostly.
Thats some damning evidence you have got there. Well its been interesting all I have to say. I have never seen an MMO thats been this talked about everywhere the good and the bad(in my MMO experiences) and probably wont till TOR.
OMG! Someone else that played Zillion! That game rocked!
As for everone else, go to every other game fourm in this site. Its no holds bar on the games and I appreacate it. Somethimes you really get the honest skinny of a game, because people can let loose. As for making them 1 post, heh, what a wall of text that would be
I wasn't picking a side I was just saying either way for the better or worse these forums or any other for that matter don't indicate anything.
I don't care if their consolidated or not it makes no difference how you format them its still a small representation of the population.
This is a small community of people and not the entire population.
What percentage of the actual player base actually posts on these forums?
I never said the game was the best game ever I do however enjoy it and if a person doesn't like it that is entirely up to them but to come to any message board and try to sway it either way as the best game or worse game based on that message boards community is very weak.
To answer your sidenote:
Played the game for almost 20 hours since Fri... 36 married, work 45-50hours a week, workout etc etc....
it is a game and one I enjoy but its not something I rotate my life around, as for the forums its just something I do before bed or work or when I have a few min.
Don't you have anything better to do?
ui lag is mostly gone. instead of "dialog opens and client hangs" you now got "dialog takes ages to open, but client doesnt hang, you just cant do anything else at that point".
mining nodes are not shared, but can get exhausted when you get a lot of people mining at the same time (starting areas are full of people), harvesting points move around when people harvest and you often get "nothing" when more than 1 person is harvesting.
crafing is in my opinion broken. sure you can make stuff and all, but the hierarchy of ingredients is broken (low level items need high level items as ingredient) and you need outside websites and item dbs because the recipes you learn dont get listed ingame. you could write them down when you learn them, but its spammed in the chat window next to the other 200 msg. per second (you receive all messages around you).
horrible patcher
lag is unbearable. downtimes at prime time without proper notice (their info page is a joke)
allready seen queues.
lack of mobs.
map/radar broken
cheaters running around everywhere allready, using xp cheats.
no official forums (find your own info/community).
there is no content. just repetition. the magic patch is where ? maybe starts at sep. 30 ?
quick hack outside website as info page with recipes (lodestone...) . horrible user experience again with 1mil translation errors (non english parts).
even the server status messages have wrong dates and the translation is a joke.
lot of other stuff broken left and right. i wonder whats sqex is trying to do, except pissing off customers. sure fanboys like and defend it.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this statement.
I do think this forum indicates something, it might be it's a bit sharp around the edges when it comes to opions and feedback, offensive maybe at times, but it gives an overall feeling about how a game behaves.
I used to be someone who bought a game just because I wanted a new game and believed the hype. Now I've learned to wait, read, digest (if I'm lucky do a btest), and then buy or don't buy.
And tbh, this site has saved me alot of euros allready.
It's fine for someone to express their disappointment with the game. Personally I built myself a new computer in order to try it out because I just knew it was going to be the best game out there. Sadly I was wrong.
I would be too busy playing instead of wasting time posting on forums defending it If I really liked FFXIV.
The game is great any real gamer will realise this. What is posted here is of no matter , the haters with chips on their shoulders have forgotten how to enjoy.
Having played near all MMOs for the last 10 years , this game FFXIV is definitley a joy to behold and if it is a litle different or community based who cares. I don't the game is fantastic will have lots of longevity.
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Why do you do this?
yes seriously, any REAL GAMER would notice thats he gets ripped off by a stubborn publisher and a bunch of lazy programmers. i mean 10 years of experience with all mmos ? your still there its seems because 10 years ago games were 100% better except for gfx (ffxiv's only strong point atm). your longevity is called 'repetition', come back here in one week.
Because only a "real gamer" will buy a unfinished piece of crap game. Most normal gamers don't have the time or the money to spend on each and every game that comes out and therefore expect to get their monies worth when they buy a game. But a "real gamer" being as awesome as they are, are able to see past the bugs, dcs, lazy level design and enjoy a game no matter how bad it is.
Man reading this i am getting flashbacks of the Darkfall release when the word "hardcore" was thrown around to defend virtually everything that was wrong with that game.
"It is my opinion, that my opinions are always right"
It's what I call the "Amazon.com Method".
The purpose is two-fold.
1. It pre-emptively dismisses any opinion that differs from his.
2. Self edification; he's automatically categorizing himself as "a real gamer".... by his own definition.
Go to Amazon.com and look up a music review for any given band - particularly in rock or metal. Guaranteed, you'll see the behavior. "Any real fan of -band here- will agree that this is their best album ever". A few reviews later, you might see someone saying "any real fan of -same band here- will agree that this album is trash"... And on.
It's a way for closed-minded people to "protect" themself from the harsh reality that their opinions aren't sacred and others aren't going to agree with them.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
When i was younger i used to be like the majority,buying anything and everything that was new.I no longer do this,i try first and pay later,so i cannot be scammed or let down anymore..I was however dumb enough to buy FFXIII,not so much becuase i thought the game was going to be good,i had already witnessed several crap xpacs for FFXI and a horrible FFXII,it was mainly because i was planning on playing FFXIV on the PS3 which i had to go out and buy.This was again a big mistake FFXIII was just crap and then Square announced the PS3 FFXIV would be delayed by several months,so i was lied to by Sqaure and did not buy the PC version nor will i buy this game for any version.
People often argue that a game is not for you,so move on,it has NOTHING to do with that in this case.I merely look at wha ta developer is trying to do and i feel Square was trying to cut corners on the entire project,it is not a good effort.This trend has been magnified wit htheir super lazy/cheap effort in the latest FFXI mini xpacs,but really started way back in TOAU while trying to sell us an xpac that rehashed old game maps,again lazy and cheap.So if a developer does not treat it's paying customer fairly,i will not support them.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
There's no need for calling terms as 'any real gamer' from any side, tastes and what we find important in games differ from one person to another, it's as simple as that.
There were whole hordes of MMO gamers that found AoC 'utter fail' when it came out; well, I and others that played it had a blast of a time, some of the greatest experiences in my MMO gaming life has been in AoC. Did that mean I wasn't annoyed with some of the bugs or performance issues those first months after it came out? Of course not, I only didn't let these annoyances come in the way of me having fun with the things in the game that did work fantastic and were great fun.
Same went for Aion and CO.
We don't have all the same taste in MMO games. And you know what, we don't need to have all the same taste.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
So now people believe every random post here?
Till it's claimed by SE what % was left out all there is on this forum is just speculation at best.
True in open beta some things were locked but to say percentages is just stupid when you don't know what was even locked.
Exactly. Some folks won't like 14. Some will. I do. Are there things that can be changed, sure. If they had more documentation rather than a ' do it yourself' a lot of unhappy folks would have been less unhappy. Not immediate fanbois but less unhappy.
I should like to mention that I joined a linkshell last night and a very helpful one. I was on for an hour and I learned more about the chat options than I could have imagined. Heck, just learning the CTRL+R (after opening a chat box) was a godsend. And at the same time, I was able to give several 'tips' I had discovered to my new guildies (linkshellies?)....
Regretfully, on the 30th (not that I begrudge the non-CE players the right to play) we'll have a whole new round of 'I Hate 14' postings here. Fr some reason they stay to the front and 'I like/love' posts go to the back of the bus....perhaps we the 'likers' should agree to make 1 attempt to comment on the negatives and then drop it. We keep those less than positive posts alive as much as the other side does.
(Also not, I don't have issues with people mentioning their negative thoughts but when they get beyond a simple 'stated fact' and going all postal/emotional, it become tedious)
No it is not, that was where the thread was derailed too. The thread is about someone who is clearly a bug SE fan being bitterly disappointed by their most recent piece of work. It is ironic of course that without all the posts stating why people are sad, disappointed, frustrated etc. it would be hard to "do ones homework".