I was expecting from this game to suck but I wasn't expecting to see so much failure, not from Square.
I remember playing FFVII and FFVIII on a PS1 long time ago and those games were just awesome, great stories and game play, FFVIII was my all time favorite video game for years.
I guess they are not so good at handling MMOs and that's a shame.
Well that isn't true. FFXI Online was a successful game.
FF XI was only a success because of its Asian populus. It pretty much tanked in the West, while their sinlge player games didn't.
You really need to get your info right there buddy if you want anyone to take yous eriously. FFXI pretty much tanked in west, oreally?
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
Thanks for proving my point. The other poster was talking about NA. You give me worldwide.
Here is your statement:
"It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong. "
Your statement is completely baseless. You constantly pretend to be unbiased. Over and over again you talk about trying to present the game in a fair and balanced way. Yet, so often, you are guilty of using completely baseless comments to back up your posts.
I was expecting from this game to suck but I wasn't expecting to see so much failure, not from Square.
I remember playing FFVII and FFVIII on a PS1 long time ago and those games were just awesome, great stories and game play, FFVIII was my all time favorite video game for years.
I guess they are not so good at handling MMOs and that's a shame.
Well that isn't true. FFXI Online was a successful game.
FF XI was only a success because of its Asian populus. It pretty much tanked in the West, while their sinlge player games didn't.
You really need to get your info right there buddy if you want anyone to take yous eriously. FFXI pretty much tanked in west, oreally?
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
I was expecting from this game to suck but I wasn't expecting to see so much failure, not from Square.
I remember playing FFVII and FFVIII on a PS1 long time ago and those games were just awesome, great stories and game play, FFVIII was my all time favorite video game for years.
I guess they are not so good at handling MMOs and that's a shame.
Well that isn't true. FFXI Online was a successful game.
FF XI was only a success because of its Asian populus. It pretty much tanked in the West, while their sinlge player games didn't.
You really need to get your info right there buddy if you want anyone to take yous eriously. FFXI pretty much tanked in west, oreally?
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
I agree. I find it staggering that certain fanbois are trying to claim otherwise, when its a well known fact.
Anyway, this is surposed to be a FF XIV discussion.
I was expecting from this game to suck but I wasn't expecting to see so much failure, not from Square.
I remember playing FFVII and FFVIII on a PS1 long time ago and those games were just awesome, great stories and game play, FFVIII was my all time favorite video game for years.
I guess they are not so good at handling MMOs and that's a shame.
Well that isn't true. FFXI Online was a successful game.
FF XI was only a success because of its Asian populus. It pretty much tanked in the West, while their sinlge player games didn't.
You really need to get your info right there buddy if you want anyone to take yous eriously. FFXI pretty much tanked in west, oreally?
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
Thanks for proving my point. The other poster was talking about NA. You give me worldwide.
Here is your statement:
"It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong. "
Your statement is completely baseless. You constantly pretend to be unbiased. Over and over again you talk about trying to present the game in a fair and balanced way. Yet, so often, you are guilty of using completely baseless comments to back up your posts.
Okay, bud I gave you a statement from play online about the state of the game. WoW at that time had roughly a couple million more world wide. Even in NA it was 2nd most populated MMO. Find something to contradict my point then I will apologize for my "baseless" comment.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
Thanks for proving my point. The other poster was talking about NA. You give me worldwide.
Here is your statement:
"It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong. "
Your statement is completely baseless. You constantly pretend to be unbiased. Over and over again you talk about trying to present the game in a fair and balanced way. Yet, so often, you are guilty of using completely baseless comments to back up your posts.
Okay, bud I gave you a statement from play online about the state of the game. WoW at that time had roughly a couple million more world wide. Even in NA it was 2nd most populated MMO. Find something to contradict my point then I will apologize for my "baseless" comment.
You obviously don't understand what baseless means.
YOU have to show ME where you got your info from. And you didn't. Your comment was completely baseless.
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
LOL, nice bit of PR fiction to warp actual numbers.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
LOL, nice bit of fiction.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs.
I was expecting from this game to suck but I wasn't expecting to see so much failure, not from Square.
I remember playing FFVII and FFVIII on a PS1 long time ago and those games were just awesome, great stories and game play, FFVIII was my all time favorite video game for years.
I guess they are not so good at handling MMOs and that's a shame.
Well that isn't true. FFXI Online was a successful game.
FF XI was only a success because of its Asian populus. It pretty much tanked in the West, while their sinlge player games didn't.
You really need to get your info right there buddy if you want anyone to take yous eriously. FFXI pretty much tanked in west, oreally?
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
That still doesn't prove that it did particularly well in the west (since the servers are all multi-national), which is what he was implying. I really don't know the truth either way, just pointing out the semantics of it.
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
LOL, nice bit of fiction.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs.
Grapevine is trying hard and failing everytime. He is not only incapable of reading he also fails at graphs. he is still unable to prove that game TANKED in west.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
LOL, nice bit of fiction.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs.
The figures are world wide. That's why they quote WoW at 12mil'ish, and not the 4mill for NA. You sure like to make your own fiction.
I was expecting from this game to suck but I wasn't expecting to see so much failure, not from Square.
I remember playing FFVII and FFVIII on a PS1 long time ago and those games were just awesome, great stories and game play, FFVIII was my all time favorite video game for years.
I guess they are not so good at handling MMOs and that's a shame.
Well that isn't true. FFXI Online was a successful game.
FF XI was only a success because of its Asian populus. It pretty much tanked in the West, while their sinlge player games didn't.
You really need to get your info right there buddy if you want anyone to take yous eriously. FFXI pretty much tanked in west, oreally?
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
That still doesn't prove that it did particularly well in the west (since the servers are all multi-national), which is what he was implying. I really don't know the truth either way, just pointing out the semantics of it.
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
LOL, nice bit of fiction.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs.
The figures are world wide. You sure like to make your own fiction.
My info is correct. Anyone who follows FF XI fully understands the vasty majority of its subscribers are within the Asian region, and has been for several years.
Nice try though, but you're wrong to believe otherwise.
It is fallacious and baseless comments like this that provoked me to write this in the first place, show me numbers from 2003-present and let me determine whether it tanked in the west. It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong.
I find your statement to be hypocritical. Your comment is at the very least, baseless.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
LOL, nice bit of fiction.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs.
The figures are world wide. You sure like to make your own fiction.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs. M
MMOData.net shows worldwide subscriptions, not just US. If you look at their top-end graphs they even caught the period where WoW was not running in China for a while and their subscriptions numbers were briefly cut nearly in half.
Also, if you check out MMOData.net and look at the Accuracy list, FF XI is listed as B which means not all of the numbers are official (some estimating involved) and EQ is listed as C which means a lot of estimating. Depending on your view in life (whether companies are accurate...therefore, company provided subscriptions could be viewed as either more accurate (source) or more inaccurate (inflation that some publishers are known for)).
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs. M
MMOData.net shows worldwide subscriptions, not just US. If you look at their top-end graphs they even caught the period where WoW was not running in China for a while and their subscriptions numbers were briefly cut nearly in half.
Also, if you check out MMOData.net and look at the Accuracy list, FF XI is listed as B which means not all of the numbers are official (some estimating involved) and EQ is listed as C which means a lot of estimating. Depending on your view in life (whether companies are accurate...therefore, company provided subscriptions could be viewed as either more accurate (source) or more inaccurate (inflation that some publishers are known for)).
Well at least you proved your point, regardless that graph doesn't do much for backing up the said "baseless" statement, it actually contradicts it.
Isn't exactly baseless when there's actually reports. MMOData.net has proved itself overtime to be extremely accurate, even when they've had to factor in some calcuations.
Yeah, once it was shown that your comment was baseless, call the other guy a troll. I get it.
Indeed I did call him a troll, I think we're both pretty resolved on our beliefs here and we will probably go at this all night. I'm not in the mood to prove right or wrong at the moment. He may not be troll, but I do think we both believe we are correct in this matter, and I refuse to budge because both the graph and hundreds of statements online say that FFXI was 2nd in NA in 2004.
Yeah, once it was shown that your comment was baseless, call the other guy a troll. I get it.
Indeed I did call him a troll, I think we're both pretty resolved on our beliefs here and we will probably go at this all night. I'm not in the mood to prove right or wrong at the moment. He may not be troll, but I do think we both believe we are correct in this matter, and I refuse to budge because both the graph and hundreds of statements online say that FFXI was 2nd in NA in 2004.
We are in 2010. Although given your review of FF XIV I can now understand your stance, given the 2004 comment.
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Thanks for proving my point. The other poster was talking about NA. You give me worldwide.
Here is your statement:
"It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong. "
Your statement is completely baseless. You constantly pretend to be unbiased. Over and over again you talk about trying to present the game in a fair and balanced way. Yet, so often, you are guilty of using completely baseless comments to back up your posts.
"It is our distinct pleasure to announce that during the third week of April, the total number of active characters across all worlds in FINAL FANTASY XI has exceeded the two million mark for the first time!
Since the commencement of service on May 16th, 2002, Vana'diel has gone on to become a vibrant gathering place for adventurers hailing from all corners of the globe. Boasting four expansions and one add-on scenario with two more in the pipes, FINAL FANTASY XI continues to evolve into an ever richer realm of magic and adventure.
We would like to thank you, our fans, for your loyal patronage over the years, and look forward to your continued support for many more to come." Play Online, 2004, state of the game. Hmmm... 2 million. Look at the numbers, of top P2P games in 2004, it was WoW then FFXI right under it. My statement has warrant.
I agree. I find it staggering that certain fanbois are trying to claim otherwise, when its a well known fact.
Anyway, this is surposed to be a FF XIV discussion.
Okay, bud I gave you a statement from play online about the state of the game. WoW at that time had roughly a couple million more world wide. Even in NA it was 2nd most populated MMO. Find something to contradict my point then I will apologize for my "baseless" comment.
You obviously don't understand what baseless means.
YOU have to show ME where you got your info from. And you didn't. Your comment was completely baseless.
Ridiculous...
LOL, nice bit of PR fiction to warp actual numbers.
FF XI is by the last measurement at a wold wide subscription base of 350,000.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
As I said, go away and actually do your research.
Ah thanks I was looking for that graph! so looking at the below graph you can see the NA numbers for each game. FFXI had 350k in the time span I told you, pretty stagnant obviously. Looking at the graph it tops Everquest during that time span till about 2005 where we see a peak in both. FFXI was actually number 1 in US when excluding WoW, which it seems this graph does. Learn to analyze graphs.
That still doesn't prove that it did particularly well in the west (since the servers are all multi-national), which is what he was implying. I really don't know the truth either way, just pointing out the semantics of it.
Wow. That's not NA.
Just keep digging.
Grapevine is trying hard and failing everytime. He is not only incapable of reading he also fails at graphs. he is still unable to prove that game TANKED in west.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
The figures are world wide. That's why they quote WoW at 12mil'ish, and not the 4mill for NA. You sure like to make your own fiction.
look at the above line plot.
I am still waiting for 'it tanked in west' proof though grapevine. Use google some more.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
i'm not making fiction troll.
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83477
If Play Online reported false numbers it would have gotten banned in multiple countries. It's called fudging, and I doubt they did that.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=17723
Yeah sure, they post world wide figures for everything else but FF XI. For example WoW has around 4mil NA subscribers, not 12mil.
You are misguided, and correcting that is not trolling.
So even google failed you i guess? lol
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
Finally resorting to calling people names.
Yeah, once it was shown that your comment was baseless, call the other guy a troll. I get it.
Well at least you proved your point, regardless that graph doesn't do much for backing up the said "baseless" statement, it actually contradicts it.
Isn't exactly baseless when there's actually reports. MMOData.net has proved itself overtime to be extremely accurate, even when they've had to factor in some calcuations.
Indeed I did call him a troll, I think we're both pretty resolved on our beliefs here and we will probably go at this all night. I'm not in the mood to prove right or wrong at the moment. He may not be troll, but I do think we both believe we are correct in this matter, and I refuse to budge because both the graph and hundreds of statements online say that FFXI was 2nd in NA in 2004.
The graph posted is world wide for all games listed and it's very accurate.
The other post that mentioned the 2 million figure is not talking about subs but characters.
I never played FFXI but wasn't an option to buy more char slots?
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
That contradict your original statement, read the graph.
"It actually went strong and was considered the 2nd most populated mmo in the United States from 2004-2007, your information is wrong. "
You wrote that. After calling someone else's post baseless.
We are in 2010. Although given your review of FF XIV I can now understand your stance, given the 2004 comment.