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Alpha99
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There are balancing issues where Tier 3 tanks goes up aginst Tier 7 tanks and gets utterly slaughtered.
I posted about this in the official beta game forum since I couldn't even post it in the developer's corner suggestions forum because it was locked (I guess they don't want any suggestions afterall) and my topic was locked within minutes with no explanation.
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This was talked about a lot lately.
The reasoning is that currently the game is consisting of unbalanced playerbase. There are mostly players with lots of XP and very few new players.
The state of the playerbase is unnatural thus balancing system cannot work well.
People playing on RU servers say that the game is fine there, both versions use same balancing mechanics.
After all, it is a beta and such issues are expected.
First of all its FREE!!!
Second it's BETA!!!
I have been on plenty of teams with IS-3's and up only to have our asses handed to us due to bad tactics. This isn't a FPS.
It's about tactics not just the best tank. Yet more people who can't hit the 'uber' button on the keyboard so they suggest "stay away", it's the player base like yourself that is ruining games.
What tactics do you use when your tank can't even damage the enemy tanks?
Hide in a bush?
Rush in and get slaughtered?
And to your comments about it being free and beta well that excuses everything.
I guess if you're afraid the best bet would be to stay away.
Yes I'm afraid... very afraid of crappy games so I'm staying away.
There are 15 tanks per side. If you can't, as a tier 3 or 4 tank, damage the topgun tier 9 on the other side kill the other members of the enemy team who are in the same tier tanks as you are. Use HE ammo if you need to as it will always cause some damage. Track that IS-7 with any tank in the game and your arty (you DID protect them from the enemy scout tanks right?) will be able to assist you and finish them off.
Yes you will die in a low level tank if you try to go heads up with the strongest tank in the game. But there are certainly things you can do that will affect the outcome of each battle you are in no matter what tank you are in.
I can't even get close enough to put a shell in their tracks they seems to be able to see me from farther away than I'm able to see them plus that my accuracy is shite and theirs is not.
Get off your high tiered tank and play as a Tier 3 for 20 games and you will see my point.
anyone who has a higher tier tank went through tier 3 at some point. we know what it's like.
if you are in a tier 3, someone on other team is tier 3. most players should be within a couple tiers of tier 3 in most games and damageable, some will not. sometimes you will be high tank as well. the chances of getting tanks closer to you are better if more people on, the balancer can put like tanks together.
you should be leveling a couple tanks at once. if you're the low tank then scout arty or kill their scouts, die, and switch out to another tank. you don't have to wait for the match to end.
join a platoon of equal tanks and you'll be matched up with equal tanks.
fyi you cant post in the suggestion forums until you have 50 posts, largely to stop people who dont bother using search to find the many threads already up on topics like matchmaking. if you want to contribute:
matchmaking discussion thread:
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/9870-new-match-making-system/page__hl__match+making
post describing way system works:
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/10168-match-making-system/
At tier 3 you're not being pitted against tier 10's anyway unless in a platoon with a higher tier tank, more often than not you'll either be against tier 4 and under or a mix of low tiers up to tier 8.
It's once you get into tier 4 and 5 that things become frustrating but that's most because you go in with an unupgraded tank with crap manoeverability and gun. Once upgraded i've yet to play a tier 4 or 5 tank that i couldn't find some some use for in matches against the heavies.
Sounds like the APB matchmaking.
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yes the matchmaking for tier 2+ sucks. yes the upper tier tanks eat lower ones for lunch for the most part. and the spg's are bad too.
BUT there is fun to be had just by playing a tier 1 tank, you get put into all tier 1 matches. no upper tiers, at least thats how it worked last time i played a couple of weeks ago. and you can bank the experience and save up for better stuff.
try a fully upgraded loltractor in an all tier1 match. its fun.
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dont really understand the problem I play with all tiers.. well part from 10 and Ive never got any problems ingame. Its just about having several tanks and playing at a high pace, once you get blown to pieces you simply quit and start with your next tank/repeat.
Sometimes you get fucked no matter tier at a low tier however 2-3 only try to kill the same tier players, avoid/outrun the rest and if your still having issues play as a SPG player and problem solved.
As for fighting IS-7/Maus Im playing in the T9 Tiger VK4502(P) Aus F and I get beaten badly by either one should I decide to solo them, teamplay is the way to take down players like that.. well that and a lot of HE shells.. oh and manual aim, dont go for the turret on a t10 tank its waste of time/shells.
One of my fav tanks the A-20 is tier 4 and I play with it more then I play with my t9 and I dont get the OPs problem, then again I dont expect to have a chance against anything 1-2tiers higher then me in a 1v1 confrontation nor do I expect instant glorification.
Ya I usually hate it when my T46 is matched against Tigers and Jagpanzer not to mention not having the ability to sit still after contact because of omnipotent single shot SPGs. I have stopped using my T46 because it cannot compete and it costs more to fix than you get in points from the match win or lose.
I am working on using the light vehicles where sometimes it takes 2 min to get a game because all the heavies are trying to match up. Then when you get in there is the bunny hopping lag tanks that jump from spot to spot or the invisible tank that suddenly appears behind you doing the indian circle the wagon firing on the fly.
Face it this game is not historical at all and there are little tactics other than gang bang rushing. It is after all an arcade game and is exactly like Navyfield for Tanks.
It is fun for free but pay? I dont think so.
in-fact i wish you would stay away it make the game all the more better only beacuse you shot at a tank that had more armor then your penetration mabye you should learn this trick in the game it's called being useful if you carn't hurt it then do summing else like scout or keep the tank focused on you while the others that can hit it....well HIT IT
im sorry you have no right to bitch you knew the tank was bigger then you yet you still attcked it WHY????
like attacking a dragon with a pencil .....not gonna work yet i think your the type of retard that would actually (IF DRAGONS WAS REAL) attck it with a pencil
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While I can undestand your fanboi attitude as you probably have tier 10 tanks .. two things you probably ranked up during the time when they just gave away gold and points. Guess what all those that come after you have to be killed by yoru UBER SPG and guess what they will not want to play a game that they immediately die in and there is not one sigle tactic for sitting still with SPG firing at you and the guy you are firing at does not see you but gets a GHEYDAR icon where you are. It is a dead end game this one.
The big issue here is that you make points as a T46 but you spend so much fixing it the progress is about the same as a fight in a light. Basically they have made the game into a climbing tower that you have been given and advantage and vets will always have and advantage. The single player will not want to play this game.
I'm glad to see that you are sorry and I play WoT to attack and kill other tanks NOT to spend the entire 15 minutes of a game hiding in a bush.
If the devs were able to balance the tiers properly we wouldn't have this problem but as it is right now it just plain sucks for every new player.
You are sitting in your tier 7+ tank telling me to shut up not realizing that you didn't have to go up against tier 7+ tanks in your tier 3 when you were at that point in the game.
Tactics #1 - defend your arty
Tactics #2 - destroy enemy arty
Tactics #3 - If you cant do #1 and 2, hide in bush and be arty food.
Defend your arty against a Tiger in your BT-7 you get oneshotted and die in flames.
Defend your arty against a IS-3 in your Panzer IV you get oneshotted and die in flames.
Have you had enough yet?
I'm sorry but you've just summed yourself up there as an arcade game player who should avoid MMOs.
I, like a good few people out there, have effectively moved from Navyfields (European servers) to WoT. Both games are incredibly tactical, however both have lots of players who care little about team play and just go after kills in a self-centered way. In Navyfields general play there's always been an issue over game play and tactics as you get impatient players who just assume they can charge in all guns ablazing and sink everything in sight (I would love to say these players don't hang around long, but alas many do stay). Once you get on to Fleet actions however (Harbour Assaults, League, Cups, etc) then the game becomes extremely tactical in nature. The same should hopefully happen after the Clan system comes out in World of Tanks.
And before you accuse me of being an IS-7/Mauss driver, I only started AFTER the last wipe and so have had to work my way up while the big tanks have been around. Sure it took a tier or two to get used to what to do and help from my friends and fleet mates - but the same information can be got from the WoT forums. As to balance, yeah it's a tad fubar at the moment, but the developers are looking at it. I think it also depends on time of day as when I was in low tier tanks, during weekend afternoons I was against other low tier tanks, highest being KV and Panzer 4s, however come the evening I did find myself with the heavy stuff. Same thing is still happening, so while I'd expect to be facing the big stuff in my T43 medium tank, I have seen the occasional loltraktors appearing.
Note there's a patch out this week that adds 2 more maps and has a fix for balance (so fingers crossed).
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What yaminsux was trying to point out is that at the start of the battle many of the light tanks will try and zip round to scout the enamy and to try and find their artillery so either they can destroy it else their own arty can. Going 45-60 km/h in a small light tank that's dancing/jinling makes you very hard to hit (though once hit yhou're still toast).
Note you get experience (for researching up to your next vehicle) for finding enemy vehicles (note this does not have to be first time, if some one else has found them, then they've gone to ground again and you're uncivered them once more - this counts), for damaging enemy vehicles (thoise scratchs on the enemy arty and light/medium tanks), and for destroying them (unlikely but I have sene light tanks finish off motrally wounded big beasts). Get the exp in, research your next tank/spg/td and move on up. (BTW if you get frustrated at dying, don't go TD as they are defensive sniping machines that require patience - drive one of these and you'll learn to hate low tier and light tanks as they knock your tracks out, move round your lightly armoured sides and rear, and pumble you).
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im in a panzer 3 and Never attack IS-3's or anything instead i scout and kill the arty's (LIKE A SCOUT SHOULD) also anti-scout is another thing there plenty in the games to kill ive never been in a match where theres not a tank thats the same tier or that im able to kill mostly other panzer 3's or 4's
also i didn't say hide in a bush i said why don't you be helpful and scout or try to annoy them with your speed
OH and you said you was tier 3 well tier 3 are mostly plqaced in there own little group with T-28's and sometimes KV's and tier 3 even get put in the Tier 1-2 battles i bet you not complaining when your put against MS-1's and panzer 2's are you???
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Bullshit I have actually played as a BT-7 (tier 3 russian light tank) going up against Tigers and KV-1s just because the stupid devs thinks that the BT-7 is such a great tank just because it can do 68 kilometers per hour or something on a dirt road.
so have i and in-fact BT-7 isn't tier 3 it's tier 4 i also have a T-44 i used my soft-wipe exp to get there (again) but ive also played from the start to the panzer 3 you want a game that easy i don't i want it hard and challangein so i can have fun
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