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Does FF14 have a chance?
Viserys1
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Cataclysm comes out in December. It will, of course, be a huge event with many ex-wow players resubscribing to see the new content. A lot of those ex-wow players are now ff14 players. The general consensus among the community is one of dislike toward the game and I doubt, unless SE does something miraculous, that many players shall be left come the new year. Also, for those saying that the PS3 launch will be the "official" launch of this game, around spring of next year Star Wars: TOR shall be released, one of the most anticipated mmos around. It seems like a one-two punch for ff14. Opinions?
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Every game has a chance.
It's what the developer does with that chance that counts.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
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Didnt it juet launch?
I find it hard to believe it is in that sad of shape. Granted I didnt like FF 13, but with WoW's example of polish/content, I dont think Square is the type of company to totally screw up where they cant recover.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
I think you are making to many assumptions, like the highlighted sentence. Cataclysm will be a big event as will TOR but I dobt they will sink FFXIV.
I don't really consider FFXIV to be in the same niche of any of those games, so I don't think their release will affect it all that much.
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Mostly for already existing World of Warcraft players, although they're hoping to entice more players in.
The Old Republic - Mostly for fans of Knights Of The Old Republic or Star Wars fans still hoping for an MMORPG (they had Star Wars Galaxies but it was a bit of a let down in many ways).
Final Fantasy XIV - Sort of a wierd mix of old school and JRPG gamers, with some concessions of casual accessibility.
it has a chance of course. There are many good qualities about the game, though just as many or more poor qualities. I've been playing for a bit over a week, and I'm starting to get bored already. The graphics, the atmosphere, and the storyline are the best part of the game.
I love this game for the storyline especially, but unfortunately, I am starting to dread getting leves, going to camp, finishing them and just grinding as the only major alternative to that.
They need to mask the grind better. Not to mention certain bugs such as the party xp system making it not worthwhile to have more than two people actually in combat in a group at one time (though you can have others heal and not attack), so people rarely want to group.
The community seems rather dead at the moment. People rarely talk to anyone outside of their LS, it seems. People will shout questions and no one will answer, I've looked for an LS for 3 days now and haven't found one.
Searching through the bazaars at the moment for specific items is a major timesink.
The UI and lag in general making things slowed down even more because it takes longer than it should to issue commands, sell items, check the bazaars, enter or exit combat mode, etc.
They need to fix and add much to this game to make it truly amazing and competitive.
They need to add side quests, more frequent storyline events, or at the very least, those side quests mentioned earlier could be high quality story-esque cutscenes at times, even if short.
They need to bring down the amount of lag, fix UI responsiveness, make the market wards better as they are, fix the party system so it works properly and gives people a major reason to want to group and socialize, make leve quests available more frequently, even if they reduce rewards a bit - just anything but straight up grinding after the leves are done would be fine.
I believe that more things should be based off the physical level than the class rank. The class rank should really only have to do with learning abilities to be stronger, and to gain access to class specific quests. Physical level should effect the advancement of storyline and other stuff.
But this is all just my opinion. It needs a bit of an overhaul to really be successful. But there'll always be fanboys to keep it afloat.
XIV will do fine.
FF14 will be going for a long time. The game was not made for the us. It is a JP made game. The money they make in the US is just extra money.
Sence Final Fantasy is a huge game in JP and the US. I have no wories that it will only get better and be around for a long time.
FFXIV = APB = Fail unless they do something fast and fix the issues.. Japan forums are full of posts just like the ones on mmorpg. Once you pass rank 25, things get real slow real fast.....
If i recall correctly the 2 reason APB failed was due to funds (somehow i don't see SE running out of money) and hackers (have the people in game seen any hackers to the extent of APB?) I haven't heard of any hackers so far and SE is fine on funds. 14 is a RPG, APB is a shooter/GTA type game. So unless your refering to issues with the game then i don't see any links to the two.
about grinding. EQ1 grinding was incrediable, the term "hell level" was i think coined from that game, Basically took you about 2 weeks of normal grinding mobs to reach the next level (assuming you didn't die), that game did alright.
Maple story is just grind, after you past like 15 levels it took forever. That game is still doing okay.
So i don't see why 14 is going to fail here. Remember it's not about the destination its about the journey. too many people see a long grind and think it's bad. Sure i'll come half way and say there needs to be more to do then grind but that comes in time. With the way things work now a days if you wait too long to bring out a complete (as in all content in like EQ1 was) then your going to lose people because they just lose interest over time.
I think 14 has a really good chance. They are the old school style of EQ and DAOC days, least thats the feeling i got when i played in OB. Also i'm not sure WoW's revamp will be the whose who at the party if you know what i mean. People who are just tired of wow might take a look at it but see the core mechanics are the same and leave again (they left for a reason), the new zones might bring them back but if WoW doesn't change the idea of grinding for gear then they are going to lose them again once all the content is used up.
Sure it will get quite a few people. But the market right now is shifty at best. We got 3 titles coming out all trying to get the same market. I don't think any of those 3 are going to kill the other.
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FFXIV doesn't have to worry about the wowkiddies with such a strong playerbase.
Cataclysm for sure will affect FF XIV. Especially given the launch of WoW had a major impact on FF XI. Incidentally that's one of the reasons the FF fanbois are obsessed with WoW, as FF XI lost a lot of players to it. However its going to affect most MMOs, at least in the short term. Ultimately there's probably a higher risk of long term impact from Guild Wars 2 and SW:TOR, as there's quite a high percentage of people who are playing WoW simply because they can't find anything else.
Given the state and general opinion on FF XIV, its highly likely to settle with low subscription figures. As long as its profitable that however won't be to much of an issue for SE, other than it may result in it being their last venture into the MMO industry. The biggest risk to FF XIV at the moment is probably itself and FF XI, as its not looking like both are going to be viable if FF XIV doesn't bring in a large quantity of new players (which seems unlikely).
No, it has to worry about false elitism, leading to a terrible community. It also has to worry if a high percentage of people don't take out a subscription, past the first "free" month. It won't be known if it has a strong or weak player base until then.
Doesn't every game have this problem with people trying to be elitist? Not, in my opinion something mutually exlcusive to 14. He/she is merely stating about the people who come to a game and complain it's not WoW or that it should be like WoW or that it sucks because it doesn't do things the way WoW did it.
It's refering to a specific set of people not the games populace in general. I could go so far as to say this term is refering to anyone who reacts in this manner.
Of course this just supposition but it's the way i see it, silver would have to correct me if i'm reading it wrong.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Not to this extent. There doesn't seem to be a topic where some FF XIV fanboi doesn't insult the WoW player base, even if said game hasn't even been mentioned. They seem to think WoW is the only MMO out there. What's staggering is that it would seem most of the MMORPG.COM (regular) posters don't even play it (i.e. WoW).
Its extremely disrespectful (no matter the game), and doesn't put the FF XIV community in a good light, which only adds to the game's issues.
The problem i've noticed which draws out these people is usually when someone says the game is bad or just plain stupid and then they come back and give features they like and it goes back and forth.
Also not to nitpick but use of the term fanboi does incite some people, Just a note.
Otherwise what i see here is pretty much what goes on in every game. WoW is the big guy so he gets refered to a lot. As for the insulting, theres too much of that going on, on both sides, again not exlcusive to the FF14 community.
Why is it going on so much here and not so much on other games? because this was the last game to be released the others haven't come out yet. Wait a bit and you'll see this happen all over again, first with Cata, then ToR, then GW, then Tera it's the same thing over and over again, fans of the game see haters as trolls and people who dislike the game see supporters as fanboys. What is casuing all this with this game is theres alot of hurt feelings and lowered expectations from some poeple cause alot of people to start complaining about things and of course when you attack something someone else likes they are going to come on and say your wrong (thats human nature), thus why the fanbois as you've called them start going after the other person.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
How old are you?
On topic, I think FFXIV will last, its got a strong FF playerbase.
Will it rake in new players ... doubtfull with the state the game is in.
I apologize if I sound ignorant. I'm just tired of this constant monotone in the industry all because of one game. If it doesn't live up to this one games standards then it's automatically a doomed mmo for it's entire existence. On another note I look forward to progression of FFXIV, the art and storyline are phenomenal so far.
You know, I'm actually not sure to be honest. It's going to need a lot of changes that are going to take time and that strong FF playerbase, well many are actually returning to FFXI lol.
Then the other issue is this, lets say things go the way they normally do and FFXIV begins to get it's act together 6ish months after launch. By then you will have TOR, GW2, maybe Rift and Tera which all have potential for some mass appeal. Then you have several niche games on the way as well.
I mean sure Age of Conan bounced back, War and even Aion did as well. But.... they didn't have much competition besides the same old games we've had really.
FFXIV isn't exactly in that same position. It's window of opportunity was pretty much now. It really needed to leave a good impression because that window to turn things around at launch is smaller than it usually is.
With the newness worn off 6 months down the road FFXIV will really have to do something impressive to pull people back in and get them to ignore some of the new MMO's coming.
I mean if you had the option of playing GW2 or TOR or the chance to go back to FFXIV and hope they have things fixed and more in line with your taste what would you choose? Realistically I believe most will choose to try one of the other two. I mean even without any real competition people didn't go back in droves to recheck out Aion, War or AoC and FFXIV will be attempting to draw people back during a time of stiff competition.
Now..... do i think it will shut down? Probably not, but there's always a chance. The above was just to state that FFXIV while it may not close the doors, it's going to have to work harder than most MMO's to get that second chance and may likely struggle for a good bit.
Now as far as the poster talking about the wowkiddies and such well.... that would all be fine and good if it were just WoW players that have such a hard time liking FFXIV but it's not. Gamers of all types are having trouble liking FFXIV and I know many really wanted to like it lol. I know a large number of players that left FFXI to play FFXIV and then decided to come back to FFXI or move on to another game or are simply waiting for the next MMO on there list.
FFXIV failed to garner the interest of many groups other than just those that play WoW.
I disagree on this one. FF14 is not old school, and by far it is not like eq1 or daoc. It has the same drive for grinding, and that's something that made it interesting. BUT eq1 and daoc and all the other oldschool games generated fun by forcing to group and to interact. And here FF14 fails completely by forcing to solo/duo. So, no, FF14 has no chance to get out of that little niche in my opinion.
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I'm afraid that SE has dug themselves a hole that is too deep. Will the game survive? Probably. Will it grow in subs? Probably not.
This is a baseless assumption. We don't know the percentage of FFXIV players that are ex-WoW players; most likely is FFXIV players are former FFXI players.
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FFXI survived the release of the original World of Warcraft and thrived (in comparison to 95% of other mmorpgs) for years.
I think this one will do fine. It's certainly not going to go the way of APB (lol why do people on this board constantly compare it to APB the games and situations are nothing alike).
Also, I've heard TOR isn't coming out until late next year so that gives FFXIV more time to build a solid base and polish up the game. I see that game as more of a threat than Cataclysm, but FFXIV will still have better graphics and the fantasy appeal so it should hold onto a fair chunk of players no matter what is thrown at it.
1) this has been a love hate game, so im not worried, again, i dont care how this comes off, im sick of WoW styled MMOs, and im sick of thier communities, so if this game drives them away, I see no loss, the game will progress without that inflated profit margin that has proved nothing to the overall developement of World of Warcraft, how little they do outside thier 2003 formular.
2) What effect would ToR (yay more WoW clones) have on the PS3 userbase? ITS NOT ON THE PS3.
FFXIV != WoW
It is a basic mistake that a LOT of people have made. FFXIV is NOT a western MMO, it is a Korean one. That means it is a grind-fest with little in the ways of quests (story) and far less emphasis on strategy between classes.
This doesn't make FFXIV a bad game, but it makes it a bad game for people who want a western MMO. If you expect Lotro/WoW/EQ2 style gameplay, with lengthy quest lines, highly defined classes etc, then you won't find it in FFXIV. That is because the game was designed differently. Is a Ferrari a bad car because it comes bottom in the luggage capacity test?
Now does FFXIV have a chance? No, but that is NOT because it is not WOW or SWTOR but because it is an expensive and laggy Korean MMO competing against F2P games. 20 euro's per month for 3 chars? COME ON! And the lag at the moment is insane. The game is unplayable for me.
Now there are some good things, the character models and clothes look beautifull and on the right machine, the graphics all around are pretty. BUT WoW did NOT become big because of its graphics.
Currently, if I go out with my beautiful cat-girl, I have lag of 10 or more seconds before any action registers. Combat is a mess because of this and I really can't judge if the system itself works because of the lag.
THIS is killing the game, already cancelled my account, far more then it not being WoW.
So, if you want WoW, stay clear of this game. If you want a Korean style MMO, then wait till they fixed the countless issues and the game is actually playable.
Can the game recover? No, the original never did and no MMO has ever made a come back. But it will be the only MMO for consoles for a long time, so will have a small dedicated following that hangs on. But it won't be a huge success.
In a basic sense, no.
The game will never be huge here. It may very well do fine in Asian. But here in the US/EU, this game will be sitting around the 50k-100k mark for the next few years. There could be a slight rise with the PS3 release, but meh, we'll see.
I'm sure the game is great for FF lovers. But for most MMO players, it is not the game they would like to play.