Other then the leve quest are not content (they are just really small content) I completely agree with you Kaocan. I agree with you more and more on this subject everytime you talk. I have actually played the game a little, and it really isnt' as difficult or boring to play for me as some make it out to be. If your unsure of what to make of the game, watch videos of the game play on youtube or something (the silent ones not the voiced ones because thats someone throwing their views in there and distorting the game, get regular game play footage.) or have someone give you a buddy key. See for yourself if you like it, never just take someone else's thoughts on the game and judge the game off that.
Critics will get the gist of the game and tend to be close but they are not always and they do not speak for everyone. For example I loved the movie: Hudson Hawk. Wasn't the greatest movie to come out but i liked it. The critics however hated it. Said it was boring, was in bad taste yadda yadda. Ever since then i watched critics to get the general gist and went from there.
In my opinion, critics are just a stepping stone (I do this in both cases, wether they praise or bash something), kinda like the first step in research. Sometimes critics are spot on, sometimes they are way off on their reviews. They are opinionated on this and if they simply don't like a game they will give it a lower score.
I think Adam sessiler said once he never reviews a J-RPG becuase he hates them and could never give the fair review it deserves. Not sure why he would say that unless it was true.
You can take critics review to a point but you really need to continue to research the game before you buy it. Just jumping in is a bad idea, regardless if the developer made alot of good games.
I even went through a fair amount of reserach on ToR even though i loved everything Bw released, why? because it's entirely possible for a company to mess up or do something wrong or to make a game you will hate.
Now i will admit 14 has some bugs in it. Some of them glaring which detract from the game. Least it was in Open beta. First off, there was a fair amount of lag when entering some areas that were somewhat populated. Some of the places took a while to load and the UI lag was bad. But other then that, the game works as intended. Now wether people will like those intended features is unkown but they do work as intended, bugs excluded but what game doesn't have bugs.
Also if the one who said SE was fixing all the problems (not sure if it's this thread or another one) that we listed replies, thats because of reviews, they are coming half way to them by fixing some of the things that hurt the score so much. Companies will change course if it gets really bad reviews to bring up the score so more will buy (even if it's not in favor of the game play).
Basically if your going to buy anything worth more then like 20 bucks you should do your research (unless your a millonaire) it's just gambling with your money if you don't. Too easy to get a game that works as intended and hate it.
Some people have valid concerns but also alot of people just don't like the game. Each person who plans to play this should in my opinion see the reviews that are out. Watch game play footage of the game itself. Take gamer reviews, try and grab a buddy key or free trial or friends house if he or she has it. Then judge if you want the game or not. But never, never take just one source and go with it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Huh. You think that people don't like this game because it's successful.
I never even thought of this game as successful. Not even once. I think that there are very few that actually think of it as successful. Actually, if we were all betting on sub numbers in 1 month, I'll bet most would be at 50k or less. I don't see that as being overly successful. Certainly not to the point of "hating it for its success."
It's a silly notion. Maybe you can apply this flimsy argument to WoW if done correctly, but FFXIV? Terrible reason.
I love hypocrites. I truly do. Mainly because they have no idea what they're actually do and just like to judge from on high. You bitch about maturity level yet say things like "and be 100% self supportive on all crafts, than again, you are playing this game wrong. If you think it shouldnt' be the way it is, so sad, sorry, but it is. If you can't see the reasoning behind why it is built the way it is, that is just an intellectual shortcoming on your end, not a design flaw.". Really? The person is an idiot for thinking that he should be able to craft anything on his/her own? So in FFXIV you don't gather resources? Wait I've seen videos showing that you do. So if you can get the raw resources logic should dictate that for most things you should be able to make on their own, sirely not everything but most. Its also interesting that you call this person an idiot even though you don't appear to be answering the question. Are too many high level materials needed to make crafting worth while? You're not answering the question anywhere.
Ok , lets stop you right there shall we. Point to where i used the name idiot in my post? Come on? Where is it? You said I called him that how many times? If your going to go off and rant like a......... then at least stop interpreting things and calling them facts. For the record, I stated if you cannot see the reasoning behind why the crafting requires varying levels of skill in different crafts, than that was an intillectual shortcoming, and it is. For people who do not understand big words, that means you couldn't figure it out. YOU COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT!!! Do you see idoit in there?? Seriously. Grow up!
And my statement stands, that if you think that your should be able to craft everything on your own in the first week of the game after launch, then you are wrong. If you think you should have the skill to craft everything on your own RIGHT NOW, then you are wrong. If you think, just because you can gather your own mats, that you should somehow be granted a gift from GOD that allows you to make every tool you need when you are precisely that level in game, without the aid of anyone else, THEN YOU ARE WRONG! And no logic does not dictate that you should be able to do any of that in a game that is designed around socialized interaction and cooperation. The game is designed to REQUIRE you to interact with others to accomplish tasks, and this includes crafting. IF YOU CANN'T SEE THAT THAN YOU ARE MISSING THE DESIGN OF THIS GAME!.
Did that answer it for you now?
Here let me break it down in logic for you. If your making a hammer that calls for dragonskin wrapped around the handle, then you need dragonskin now don't you? I dont care if its a level 10 hammer and all dragons are level 35. You see there are things in this game that people who dont play it have no clue about, thats my point. For instance, I have recipes at level 5 that require buffalo leather straps for, but I cant' make them yet. Thats ok, because if I do a really good job on a level 1 levequest, I can get 5 of them as a reward for free. And I dont need to be level 25 to get them either. Now, just because you and your friends here didnt' know that little tid bit of information, does that mean it doesn't exist?? NO!! All it means is you didnt' know that, and all this time you and everyone else here has been bitching up a storm about how its all impossible!! And even if you didnt' know that, do you honestly think in 2 months that level 25 part you need isnt' going to be made by every Tom, DIck, and Harry?? No, it most likely will be avaialble at low cost to everyone and in plenty, no matter your level. But of course you people dont think that far ahead do you? Nope, its gotta be here RIGTH NOW, cause I WANT IT RIGTH NOW!!. Please.....
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Other then the leve quest are not content (they are just really small content) I completely agree with you Kaocan. I agree with you more and more on this subject everytime you talk. I have actually played the game a little, and it really isnt' as difficult or boring to play for me as some make it out to be. If your unsure of what to make of the game, watch videos of the game play on youtube or something (the silent ones not the voiced ones because thats someone throwing their views in there and distorting the game, get regular game play footage.) or have someone give you a buddy key. See for yourself if you like it, never just take someone else's thoughts on the game and judge the game off that.
Critics will get the gist of the game and tend to be close but they are not always and they do not speak for everyone. For example I loved the movie: Hudson Hawk. Wasn't the greatest movie to come out but i liked it. The critics however hated it. Said it was boring, was in bad taste yadda yadda. Ever since then i watched critics to get the general gist and went from there.
In my opinion, critics are just a stepping stone (I do this in both cases, wether they praise or bash something), kinda like the first step in research. Sometimes critics are spot on, sometimes they are way off on their reviews. They are opinionated on this and if they simply don't like a game they will give it a lower score.
I think Adam sessiler said once he never reviews a J-RPG becuase he hates them and could never give the fair review it deserves. Not sure why he would say that unless it was true.
You can take critics review to a point but you really need to continue to research the game before you buy it. Just jumping in is a bad idea, regardless if the developer made alot of good games.
I even went through a fair amount of reserach on ToR even though i loved everything Bw released, why? because it's entirely possible for a company to mess up or do something wrong or to make a game you will hate.
Now i will admit 14 has some bugs in it. Some of them glaring which detract from the game. Least it was in Open beta. First off, there was a fair amount of lag when entering some areas that were somewhat populated. Some of the places took a while to load and the UI lag was bad. But other then that, the game works as intended. Now wether people will like those intended features is unkown but they do work as intended, bugs excluded but what game doesn't have bugs.
Also if the one who said SE was fixing all the problems (not sure if it's this thread or another one) they we listed replies, thats because of reviews, they are coming half way to them by fixing some of the things that hurt the score so much. Companies will change course if it gets really bad reviews to bring up the score so more will buy (even if it's not in favor of the game play).
Basically if your going to buy anything worth more then like 20 bucks you should do your research (unless your a millonaire) it's just gambling with your money if you don't. Too easy to get a game that works as intended and hate it.
Some people have valid concerns but also alot of people just don't like the game. Each person who plans to do this should in my opinion see the reviews that are out. Watch game play footage of the game itself. Take gamer reviews, try and grab a buddy key or free trial or friends house if he or she has it. Then judge if you want the game or not. But never, never take just one source and go with it.
You are correct. JUST taking the word of a critic is never a good thing. They panned The Expendables and 2012, but they acted like if it isn't going to win an Oscar, it's not worth their precious time. HOWEVER, that being said, there is also a RESOUNDING majority of players who are reviewing the game and saying it's content light, buggy, and all around boring. If I go to Metacritic and see a high critics score but a low player score, I read about the problems. If they both are high, it's pretty safe to say it's gonna be good. If they're both bad......well......The problem this time is Metacritic has 1 40 and 2 84s, but one of the 84s says at the end of the review that they don't recomend buying the game and only one of the five scores they take the average from has anything to do with gameplay. It's really weird this time. I got lucky and just got a buddy key after beta and tried it and didn't like it.
You are correct. JUST taking the word of a critic is never a good thing. They panned The Expendables and 2012, but they acted like if it isn't going to win an Oscar, it's not worth their precious time. HOWEVER, that being said, there is also a RESOUNDING majority of players who are reviewing the game and saying it's content light, buggy, and all around boring. If I go to Metacritic and see a high critics score but a low player score, I read about the problems. If they both are high, it's pretty safe to say it's gonna be good. If they're both bad......well......The problem this time is Metacritic has 1 40 and 2 84s, but one of the 84s says at the end of the review that they don't recomend buying the game and only one of the five scores they take the average from has anything to do with gameplay. It's really weird this time. I got lucky and just got a buddy key after beta and tried it and didn't like it.
Well if after a while it has resounding bad reviews then it's in the realm of risky purchase, You can still buy the game but chances are you won't like it. I'm going to wait about a month then see what the critics say when everything stops shifting so much and everyone returns to normal. Right now it's people hate the game, people loves the game, and the scores are still settling.
However i do see the points on both sides. People don't like whats boring to them and fans of the game need to understand that point (some do i'm sure), but on the same side haters need to understand some like this game (and some do here as well) Merely because someone thinks it's boring doesn't mean it is to all. Like my analogy before, some people hated Hudson Hawk but i liked it. Entirely possible here as well. I wouldn't know about anything past like 11 as i was in Open beta but quite a few games are quite a bit content lite, more so then they should be. But if you believe the company will fix all these then you should continue to play. If you don't...well.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
You are correct. JUST taking the word of a critic is never a good thing. They panned The Expendables and 2012, but they acted like if it isn't going to win an Oscar, it's not worth their precious time. HOWEVER, that being said, there is also a RESOUNDING majority of players who are reviewing the game and saying it's content light, buggy, and all around boring. If I go to Metacritic and see a high critics score but a low player score, I read about the problems. If they both are high, it's pretty safe to say it's gonna be good. If they're both bad......well......The problem this time is Metacritic has 1 40 and 2 84s, but one of the 84s says at the end of the review that they don't recomend buying the game and only one of the five scores they take the average from has anything to do with gameplay. It's really weird this time. I got lucky and just got a buddy key after beta and tried it and didn't like it.
There are a lot of reviews out there now, and lots of them have thier points sure. And yes there are some areas of this game that need work true. The issue I have with some of the reviews is I think they are grading off thier own belief of what things are 'supposed' to be, instead of what they are.
Take the communications system in FFXIV, everyone out there thinks its total trash, me, I think its a brilliant solution to a broad design concept. If it works or not remains to be seen, but it is an 'out of the box' idea for sure. Let me explain.
If you were designing a game, one that you wanted the people to interect more in, no...that you NEEDED them to interact more than in other games. A game where, in order to get the economy like you want, the crafting like you want, and the combat like you want, you needed to make the players inter-twine more closely than they are normally use to. In other games it may be acceptable to allow for broad open zone/server channels to communicate in because you had structured guilds that people came together in to team and work toegther. But in your game, you dont want segregated guilds, you want people to intermingle more but still bring in a close-nit family environment.
So, how do you get this without using the structured guild system everyone else uses? Simple, you force the chat level off the zone/server into tight nit communications clusters called linkshells. People join them like guilds, but they dont just live in one guild and thats it like in other games, they overlap several of them at once - 8 total with 100 in each should be plenty of people to cooperate with to get the teaming and work done yet still allow for a broad enough chat arena to keep everyone busy chattering. You still allow for a system of control to allow leaders in the community to take care of problem players, yet dont restrict anyone into a set of rules set forth by any one dictator if they wish to participate in the world. And by leaving out a zone/server channel, eventually everyone will join at least one linkshell, even if it is nothing more than a social one with no structured prupose or goals.
Think of the linkshells like internet forums really. Each is its own tight nit community, but its memebers cross over to other forums which are thier own tight nit community. The internet as a whole is your world, with hundreds and thousands of forums in it, each person picks a handfull of them and build inside them. The topics cross over from one to the next in a viral fashion until all the forums eventually get to the same topic at one point. Linkshells do the same, each member will be in 7 more linkshells of thier chosing, and when they pass on info in one, someone else picks it up and moves it to one of thier other 7 until eventually you have a world wide communications system all happening virally.
To me, this really is a unique and brilliant way of dealing with not wanting the community to form up in single guild strucutred society and still give enough 'global' chat functionality with a player leadership control where needed. The point is though, that the people doing the reviews, well they dont always look deep enough at the reasons thigns are the way they are in a game before they put thier review out. For the chat system in this game, all the reviews out now declare is broken or just bad with out a single consideration as to the why behind the design.
Many areas in this game are judged the same way. Take the Gamespot review. In it he refers to the bugged xp in groups issue as one of the flaws in FFXIV. The truth is it wasn't ever bugged or broken in the first place, it was just different. SP/XP in FFXIV is granted on a per-action basis. Each time you swing your wepaon you have a chance to gain Skill Point. THink of it as learnigng and growing by doing points. In the group environment, it was designe dthe same way. If you had 15 peope on your team and only 8 actually helped defeat that one mob, well only 8 learned anything from it, so they are the only ones who got SP/XP for it. Many declared this a random bug when they didnt ALL get the same SP/XP for every mob. SE decided though, that the simplest thing to do to clear up the misconception was to just level the playig field in groups, and equally split the SP/XP regardless of participation be each member on the team. So now, the one guy who stands in the back with his cane out but never actually ever does anything will get his fair share. Personally I can see the need to level it out, espcecially for healers, but it does open other issues which were nto present in the original design. The point here though is that this really wasn't a 'flaw' as the Gamespot review told it, but a misinterpritation of the 'why' something was the way it was.
At least thats my 45 cents on the review issue anyway. Some points are good yes, others are short sighted, a jump the gun guess of how they 'think' it really is.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The walls of text that communicate so little are getting bothersome.
TLDR version of Kaocan's post:
I agree with a few points of the review, but the reviewer is shortsighted when it comes to chat functions and XP gain.
I believe that making it difficult to chat with one another mixed with a system dependent on other people causes a game community to thrive. XP wasn't broken, it just worked differently.
wow kaocan... i dont understand why your so blissfully ignorant tha..
oh wait, i see now.
"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend."
...sigh
Blissfully ignorant huh? You guys are great really, I know kids in elementary school who get called less names than you adults toss around here.
And yes, that quote is a very good quote. It means if your too closed minded to envision the possibility that something may in fact exist, than you will not admit to seeing it when it is right in front of you. Robertson Davies actually, not mine unfortuanetly, although I wish I had the insite like him to come up with such a profound statement. Perhaps one day.
So many here exemplify that quote so well dont you think? The blind leading the blind so to say. Its like God really, if you dont believe he exists than you will not admit he can and will save you from your sins. I know, sorry for the theology reference, but it is true none the less.
The way I see it, each person who comes back with a response like yours is so closed minded they can't see past thier own 'blissful ignorance'. You dont think I'm right when I say what I say solely because you dont see it yourself. You dont open your mind to the possibilty that it might not be as you originally thought it would be. And the idea that you may in fact be the blind one....well that might just scare some of you. It woud explain the rabid hate and name calling thats for sure. A fight or flight mechanism, defense if you will to the self realization that you just may in fact be wrong.
The fact is, I do see things differently than a majority here do. Does that mean I'm rigth or wrong, no...merely that I see things differently. If you uterly refuse to see the possiblity that how I see it may in fact be a possibilty...well then you really do exemplify my quote dont you.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The walls of text that communicate so little are getting bothersome.
TLDR version of Kaocan's post:
I agree with a few points of the review, but the reviewer is shortsighted when it comes to chat functions and XP gain.
I believe that making it difficult to chat with one another mixed with a system dependent on other people causes a game community to thrive. XP wasn't broken, it just worked differently.
Oh look, I got my very own 'review' on my post. Tell you what, next time, let them read what I wrote instead of twisting it around to please your own morality. This isnt' what I said, you know it, and I know it. Seriously, this is all you people can do anymore? Call names, make insults, and twist words to try and make people look stupid or something? This is intelligent conversation today?
Oh and sorry for the wall of text, I realize reading is a difficult process for most these days. And comprehending it all, wow thats a serious chore right there. Just look how this person here mis-read what was written and came back with thier book report, excellent reading comprehension there. Way to prove my point once again. Love you guys!
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The walls of text that communicate so little are getting bothersome.
TLDR version of Kaocan's post:
I agree with a few points of the review, but the reviewer is shortsighted when it comes to chat functions and XP gain.
I believe that making it difficult to chat with one another mixed with a system dependent on other people causes a game community to thrive. XP wasn't broken, it just worked differently.
Oh look, I got my very own 'review' on my post. Tell you what, next time, let them read what I wrote instead of twisting it around to please your own morality. This isnt' what I said, you know it, and I know it. Seriously, this is all you people can do anymore? Call names, make insults, and twist words to try and make people look stupid or something? This is intelligent conversation today?
Oh and sorry for the wall of text, I realize reading is a difficult process for most these days. And comprehending it all, wow thats a serious chore right there. Just look how this person here mis-read what was written and came back with thier book report, excellent reading comprehension there. Way to prove my point once again. Love you guys!
While all the commotion concerning FFXIV has kept me entertained for these past few weeks, I have to ask myself....why all the hate?
This game seems to be polarizing everybody, more so that most other games. People come on here to venomously attack or trying to defend this game, and I ask myself why? This game is certainly not for everyone (obviously), but there's a decent amount of people who are enjoying it. Why not stop there? Is it just trolling? The whole thing confuses me.
For about the first time in MMO history the trolls are the ones saying positive things about a game.
FFXIV has no redeeming qualities other than it's shiny rapper. It's the worst failure of a hyped game in the history of MMOs. About the only one that comes close to this level of failure of VGSOH.
wow kaocan... i dont understand why your so blissfully ignorant tha..
oh wait, i see now.
"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend."
...sigh
Blissfully ignorant huh? You guys are great really, I know kids in elementary school who get called less names than you adults toss around here.
And yes, that quote is a very good quote. It means if your too closed minded to envision the possibility that something may in fact exist, than you will not admit to seeing it when it is right in front of you. Robertson Davies actually, not mine unfortuanetly, although I wish I had the insite like him to come up with such a profound statement. Perhaps one day.
So many here exemplify that quote so well dont you think? The blind leading the blind so to say. Its like God really, if you dont believe he exists than you will not admit he can and will save you from your sins. I know, sorry for the theology reference, but it is true none the less.
The way I see it, each person who comes back with a response like yours is so closed minded they can't see past thier own 'blissful ignorance'. You dont think I'm right when I say what I say solely because you dont see it yourself. You dont open your mind to the possibilty that it might not be as you originally thought it would be. And the idea that you may in fact be the blind one....well that might just scare some of you. It woud explain the rabid hate and name calling thats for sure. A fight or flight mechanism, defense if you will to the self realization that you just may in fact be wrong.
The fact is, I do see things differently than a majority here do. Does that mean I'm rigth or wrong, no...merely that I see things differently. If you uterly refuse to see the possiblity that how I see it may in fact be a possibilty...well then you really do exemplify my quote dont you.
you aren't the old spice guy, get off your high horse
Ok show of hands, who here is actually playing this game? Not did you play last month, but playing today, tomorrow, next week. Oh and if your hand isn't up, than you have no rigth complaining about it, because your not part of the player base anymore for the game, so your opinions dont count anymore. Sorry, thats the way of the game world. You do know most p2p games now restrict thier official forums to playing/paying members right?? So yeah, that does mean you have no say in what SE does with thier game, they wont even hear you way over here.
And no, thats not fanboi, thats cold hard truth. Get over yourselves already. You want to make the game better, pay and play it and post on Loadstone forums where they watch. You want to troll and flame the game for the purpose of trolling and flaming, well then you can continue right here, because thats all your gaining by doing it on these forums.
Oh so since the Nazi's were only tormenting people in Germany/Europe we have no right to hate them? Terrorist blew up the Twin Towers but if we don't know anyone effected by it then we have no right to hate Al Queda? C'mon.. That ISN'T how the game-world works..
The game hasn't changed much from when it was released.. We don't need to be playing it right now to see that, i've read the reviews.. I've searched thru the forums.. I played OB and i knew it was a steaming pile of shit then.. Based by all bad-rep it's getting and the things i've read not much has changed..
Is the UI still clunky and annoying? Is there still no auction house? Do i really need to zone into some lag fest area to jus' to buy and pawn my wares? Is the map still a convulting mess? Are levequests still limited 8 to 36 hrs? Is crafting still impossible because of the economy and high lvl mats needed? Hmm.. By what i've read ALL that is still there from OB.. The game HASN'T changed.. And that's why people are mad..
Seems like only fanboys are only defending FFXIV atm.. "This game is good, i don't care what the tons of people on forums are saying! Or the critic reviews! Or the hundreds of player-reviews!" or "If you're not CURRENTLY playing it then you have no right to comment!" thing.. No i'am not currently playing it, because the open beta sucked and it still sucks now after launch.
And you know all this from listening to other people who do not currently play this game...and you believe it, thats just funny as hell. You base all your lifes choices on the opinions of others that dont actually know anything about what your doing too? Seriously, I'm not talking a tyrant and a world war here, I said that the place to put your gripes about FFXIV if you want them heard is on Loadstone because thats where it will be seen by SE. I also said, that if you are not a paying customer of thiers then you cannot post on thier forums and wont be heard by SE. And I also said, that if your posting here thinking your gripes are going to be heard by anyone other than people just like you, then your just wasting your time. That is all fact, and yes I know you didn't like that, but oh well can't help there.
Sure you played OB, for how long? The bad reviews?? Like the Gamespot one right?? The first 10 seconds and last 10 seconds on that vid review should give you all the clue you need on that reviewers view of the game. They really are that telling if you know anything about the game. If you cant' see it in those two 10 second blocks (without even listing to a word the dude says) then you have no clue whats going on with how FFXIV plays. Sorry, but you dont. And if your basing all your logic off others who dont play, haven't played, and aren't going to play, well then seriously...I dont need to argue that point at all, it speaks volumes all by itself.
And here is your answer, although you won't believe it, I know you won't but I'll put it down anyway.
Is the UI still clunky and annoying?
Nope, not clunky at all - annoying, only to people with the attention span of a ferret. Its different yes, either you can adapt to different or you can't, thats all there is to it. If you can't and you dont like it, oh well, thats a personal issue there.
Is there still no auction house?
No AH no. But then again, I make a crap ton of money off the current system because people like you are too lazy to use anything that takes more than 45 second of your time to use. Does it need a AH or market search function, sure, is it being worked on by SE - YUP! Is it a game breaker - nope.
Do i really need to zone into some lag fest area to jus' to buy and pawn my wares?
Actually yes, you do need to zone into a seperate area to buy and sell on your retainers. Do you have to do that for everything - NOPE! If you dont know any other way, well thats just a lack of game play knowledge. If you really wanted to buy/sell things, and you didnt' want to use your retainer to do so, you could have found other ways, but you proably didnt bother to try. My guess, you yelled and screamed and kicked your feet and said I HATE THIS and well...
Here let me give you an example shall I. I spend about an hour each day taking my mules thru the markets in each of the cities. I buy products from people who have no clue the worth of thier goods, things like dodo skin harnesses for 1000 gil. I put them on my character bazarr for 35k and sit outside the market ward whiel I go eat lunch for 30 minutes. Come back and I'm 34k richer. I buy so many misc mats from the markets where peopel sell them below what an NPC will buy them for. Some I keep, others I vendor and just take my profits.
The markets are a mess because people dont do thier research at all in this game yet. They dont know what they have and no clue what the value is. Half the people try and sell items worth 100 gil for 2000 gil so it just sits there. Others try and sell everything on thier retainer but refuse to move it from the middle of the crowded first ward where noone will look at it to the front of the 3rd ward will those items would sell in an hour. Seriously though, if you just take those 24 sheepskins off your retainer and put them on your character bazaar, sit down in the markets near the repair NPC for 30 minutes you'ld sell it all. Supply and demand, you go where the demand is for the product your selling, and you sell whats in demand. You actually have to interact with the economy in this game, its not a drop on the AH and forget mentallity like WoW. I know thats difficult for most to grasp.
Everyone wants to just go out and grind thier levequests and power level to end game, and thats just not how this game works. You are a part of the world, you have to interact with the world, and that included your fellow players. If your not, your not playing it right, and your going to hate it.
Is the map still a convulting mess?
Never was a 'convulted mess'. But way to show that you believe buzz words on reviews as fact. Do you even know what he was meaning when he said that or are you just repeeating it here for effect? The map works just fine, it is a roll out scroll map, it is not a user interface / location finding, everything in one, ZOMG where do I go now tool. Never was intended to be that. Its like rolling out a paper scroll on your desk and using it to GUIDE you on your travels. Its not a freaking GPS navigator with voice recognition. If you have a quest that requires you to go to a specific location, your journal will contain the location on its own map. If you can't figure out where it is telling you to go, then...well... then you just suck at being an explorer sorry. And again, your missing what this game is all about.
Are levequests still limited 8 to 36 hrs?
Why yes, yes they are. This is a problem? You do know that the levequests are NOT the game right? They are but a side line of it, something to do when yuo feel like doing one here and there. Ok look, here is the idea behind them, and I knwo you missed this, so many here have. The levequests are miscellaneous side chores given by the people in a community. They need some elm logs to build some waterwheels, they need some marmott pelts, they need some pies made. They are NOT the games content! Never were intended to be. I'm sorry that you missed that part and assumed that being given constant direction through thousands of random quests was what an MMORPG was. It isn't, really, never has been. That may be what an MMO has become, but the RPG part, yeah its not. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, then your just proving my point here. Levequests are NOT the content in FFXIV, they are NOT intended to be what you do, only what you do, all the time. If you are trying to make this the case you are failing to play FFXIV correctly. <----truth
Is crafting still impossible because of the economy and high lvl mats needed?
Crafting is not broken, not at all, and definetly NOT impossible. You may not be able to make every item and ALL its components by yourself, but you can get the parts you cannot make on your own and put things together. If you are trying to solo this game, and be 100% self supportive on all crafts, than again, you are playing this game wrong. If you think it shouldnt' be the way it is, so sad, sorry, but it is. If you can't see the reasoning behind why it is built the way it is, that is just an intellectual shortcoming on your end, not a design flaw. <-----truth
Ok, so now I'm gonna sit back and wait for the reply on this, and all the name calling, the fanboi remarks, the your a fool remarks, the you dont know what your talking about remarks. I know they will be coming, I expect nothing less from most on these forums already. I swear the maturity level of the people on these forums drops daily. I get it, really I do, you dont see it the way I see it. Leave it at that and move along please.
LOL.. You know how dumb you sound? You jus' confirmed to me that the worse parts of FFXIV's beta havn't changed one bit! And you expect me to fork over $70 + monthly sub for this game still?? C'mon Kaocan.. You're fanboyism is all over this forum trying to defend this game, but jus' give it up.. You might like it.. But the critic reviews (not jus game stops theres like 3-4 reviews up on metacritic that give it 4-5 rateings) AND the player reviews ALL can't be wrong.. YOU might enjoy the game but the fact is (based on reviews, amnt of hate in this forum, and sales figures) this game jus' sucks and instead of takeing a step foward for the MMO genre it takes like 20 steps back.
So pretty much theres no auction house.. The map dosn't show you locations.. The UI is in fact annoying and still the #1 complaint from most users (as it has been since beta.) You're still limited to amnt of Levequests you can do.. And not only is it not solo-friendly from my experience it's not that group-friendly either.. And being forced into piggy packing other peoples Levequests does NOT make it group friendly.
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Other then the leve quest are not content (they are just really small content) I completely agree with you Kaocan. I agree with you more and more on this subject everytime you talk. I have actually played the game a little, and it really isnt' as difficult or boring to play for me as some make it out to be. If your unsure of what to make of the game, watch videos of the game play on youtube or something (the silent ones not the voiced ones because thats someone throwing their views in there and distorting the game, get regular game play footage.) or have someone give you a buddy key. See for yourself if you like it, never just take someone else's thoughts on the game and judge the game off that.
Critics will get the gist of the game and tend to be close but they are not always and they do not speak for everyone. For example I loved the movie: Hudson Hawk. Wasn't the greatest movie to come out but i liked it. The critics however hated it. Said it was boring, was in bad taste yadda yadda. Ever since then i watched critics to get the general gist and went from there.
In my opinion, critics are just a stepping stone (I do this in both cases, wether they praise or bash something), kinda like the first step in research. Sometimes critics are spot on, sometimes they are way off on their reviews. They are opinionated on this and if they simply don't like a game they will give it a lower score.
I think Adam sessiler said once he never reviews a J-RPG becuase he hates them and could never give the fair review it deserves. Not sure why he would say that unless it was true.
You can take critics review to a point but you really need to continue to research the game before you buy it. Just jumping in is a bad idea, regardless if the developer made alot of good games.
I even went through a fair amount of reserach on ToR even though i loved everything Bw released, why? because it's entirely possible for a company to mess up or do something wrong or to make a game you will hate.
Now i will admit 14 has some bugs in it. Some of them glaring which detract from the game. Least it was in Open beta. First off, there was a fair amount of lag when entering some areas that were somewhat populated. Some of the places took a while to load and the UI lag was bad. But other then that, the game works as intended. Now wether people will like those intended features is unkown but they do work as intended, bugs excluded but what game doesn't have bugs.
Also if the one who said SE was fixing all the problems (not sure if it's this thread or another one) that we listed replies, thats because of reviews, they are coming half way to them by fixing some of the things that hurt the score so much. Companies will change course if it gets really bad reviews to bring up the score so more will buy (even if it's not in favor of the game play).
Basically if your going to buy anything worth more then like 20 bucks you should do your research (unless your a millonaire) it's just gambling with your money if you don't. Too easy to get a game that works as intended and hate it.
Some people have valid concerns but also alot of people just don't like the game. Each person who plans to play this should in my opinion see the reviews that are out. Watch game play footage of the game itself. Take gamer reviews, try and grab a buddy key or free trial or friends house if he or she has it. Then judge if you want the game or not. But never, never take just one source and go with it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Do you want me to be honest?
because it's a successful game.
that's it
Huh. You think that people don't like this game because it's successful.
I never even thought of this game as successful. Not even once. I think that there are very few that actually think of it as successful. Actually, if we were all betting on sub numbers in 1 month, I'll bet most would be at 50k or less. I don't see that as being overly successful. Certainly not to the point of "hating it for its success."
It's a silly notion. Maybe you can apply this flimsy argument to WoW if done correctly, but FFXIV? Terrible reason.
Ok , lets stop you right there shall we. Point to where i used the name idiot in my post? Come on? Where is it? You said I called him that how many times? If your going to go off and rant like a......... then at least stop interpreting things and calling them facts. For the record, I stated if you cannot see the reasoning behind why the crafting requires varying levels of skill in different crafts, than that was an intillectual shortcoming, and it is. For people who do not understand big words, that means you couldn't figure it out. YOU COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT!!! Do you see idoit in there?? Seriously. Grow up!
And my statement stands, that if you think that your should be able to craft everything on your own in the first week of the game after launch, then you are wrong. If you think you should have the skill to craft everything on your own RIGHT NOW, then you are wrong. If you think, just because you can gather your own mats, that you should somehow be granted a gift from GOD that allows you to make every tool you need when you are precisely that level in game, without the aid of anyone else, THEN YOU ARE WRONG! And no logic does not dictate that you should be able to do any of that in a game that is designed around socialized interaction and cooperation. The game is designed to REQUIRE you to interact with others to accomplish tasks, and this includes crafting. IF YOU CANN'T SEE THAT THAN YOU ARE MISSING THE DESIGN OF THIS GAME!.
Did that answer it for you now?
Here let me break it down in logic for you. If your making a hammer that calls for dragonskin wrapped around the handle, then you need dragonskin now don't you? I dont care if its a level 10 hammer and all dragons are level 35. You see there are things in this game that people who dont play it have no clue about, thats my point. For instance, I have recipes at level 5 that require buffalo leather straps for, but I cant' make them yet. Thats ok, because if I do a really good job on a level 1 levequest, I can get 5 of them as a reward for free. And I dont need to be level 25 to get them either. Now, just because you and your friends here didnt' know that little tid bit of information, does that mean it doesn't exist?? NO!! All it means is you didnt' know that, and all this time you and everyone else here has been bitching up a storm about how its all impossible!! And even if you didnt' know that, do you honestly think in 2 months that level 25 part you need isnt' going to be made by every Tom, DIck, and Harry?? No, it most likely will be avaialble at low cost to everyone and in plenty, no matter your level. But of course you people dont think that far ahead do you? Nope, its gotta be here RIGTH NOW, cause I WANT IT RIGTH NOW!!. Please.....
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
You are correct. JUST taking the word of a critic is never a good thing. They panned The Expendables and 2012, but they acted like if it isn't going to win an Oscar, it's not worth their precious time. HOWEVER, that being said, there is also a RESOUNDING majority of players who are reviewing the game and saying it's content light, buggy, and all around boring. If I go to Metacritic and see a high critics score but a low player score, I read about the problems. If they both are high, it's pretty safe to say it's gonna be good. If they're both bad......well......The problem this time is Metacritic has 1 40 and 2 84s, but one of the 84s says at the end of the review that they don't recomend buying the game and only one of the five scores they take the average from has anything to do with gameplay. It's really weird this time. I got lucky and just got a buddy key after beta and tried it and didn't like it.
Well if after a while it has resounding bad reviews then it's in the realm of risky purchase, You can still buy the game but chances are you won't like it. I'm going to wait about a month then see what the critics say when everything stops shifting so much and everyone returns to normal. Right now it's people hate the game, people loves the game, and the scores are still settling.
However i do see the points on both sides. People don't like whats boring to them and fans of the game need to understand that point (some do i'm sure), but on the same side haters need to understand some like this game (and some do here as well) Merely because someone thinks it's boring doesn't mean it is to all. Like my analogy before, some people hated Hudson Hawk but i liked it. Entirely possible here as well. I wouldn't know about anything past like 11 as i was in Open beta but quite a few games are quite a bit content lite, more so then they should be. But if you believe the company will fix all these then you should continue to play. If you don't...well.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
wow kaocan... i dont understand why your so blissfully ignorant tha..
oh wait, i see now.
"The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend."
...sigh
There are a lot of reviews out there now, and lots of them have thier points sure. And yes there are some areas of this game that need work true. The issue I have with some of the reviews is I think they are grading off thier own belief of what things are 'supposed' to be, instead of what they are.
Take the communications system in FFXIV, everyone out there thinks its total trash, me, I think its a brilliant solution to a broad design concept. If it works or not remains to be seen, but it is an 'out of the box' idea for sure. Let me explain.
If you were designing a game, one that you wanted the people to interect more in, no...that you NEEDED them to interact more than in other games. A game where, in order to get the economy like you want, the crafting like you want, and the combat like you want, you needed to make the players inter-twine more closely than they are normally use to. In other games it may be acceptable to allow for broad open zone/server channels to communicate in because you had structured guilds that people came together in to team and work toegther. But in your game, you dont want segregated guilds, you want people to intermingle more but still bring in a close-nit family environment.
So, how do you get this without using the structured guild system everyone else uses? Simple, you force the chat level off the zone/server into tight nit communications clusters called linkshells. People join them like guilds, but they dont just live in one guild and thats it like in other games, they overlap several of them at once - 8 total with 100 in each should be plenty of people to cooperate with to get the teaming and work done yet still allow for a broad enough chat arena to keep everyone busy chattering. You still allow for a system of control to allow leaders in the community to take care of problem players, yet dont restrict anyone into a set of rules set forth by any one dictator if they wish to participate in the world. And by leaving out a zone/server channel, eventually everyone will join at least one linkshell, even if it is nothing more than a social one with no structured prupose or goals.
Think of the linkshells like internet forums really. Each is its own tight nit community, but its memebers cross over to other forums which are thier own tight nit community. The internet as a whole is your world, with hundreds and thousands of forums in it, each person picks a handfull of them and build inside them. The topics cross over from one to the next in a viral fashion until all the forums eventually get to the same topic at one point. Linkshells do the same, each member will be in 7 more linkshells of thier chosing, and when they pass on info in one, someone else picks it up and moves it to one of thier other 7 until eventually you have a world wide communications system all happening virally.
To me, this really is a unique and brilliant way of dealing with not wanting the community to form up in single guild strucutred society and still give enough 'global' chat functionality with a player leadership control where needed. The point is though, that the people doing the reviews, well they dont always look deep enough at the reasons thigns are the way they are in a game before they put thier review out. For the chat system in this game, all the reviews out now declare is broken or just bad with out a single consideration as to the why behind the design.
Many areas in this game are judged the same way. Take the Gamespot review. In it he refers to the bugged xp in groups issue as one of the flaws in FFXIV. The truth is it wasn't ever bugged or broken in the first place, it was just different. SP/XP in FFXIV is granted on a per-action basis. Each time you swing your wepaon you have a chance to gain Skill Point. THink of it as learnigng and growing by doing points. In the group environment, it was designe dthe same way. If you had 15 peope on your team and only 8 actually helped defeat that one mob, well only 8 learned anything from it, so they are the only ones who got SP/XP for it. Many declared this a random bug when they didnt ALL get the same SP/XP for every mob. SE decided though, that the simplest thing to do to clear up the misconception was to just level the playig field in groups, and equally split the SP/XP regardless of participation be each member on the team. So now, the one guy who stands in the back with his cane out but never actually ever does anything will get his fair share. Personally I can see the need to level it out, espcecially for healers, but it does open other issues which were nto present in the original design. The point here though is that this really wasn't a 'flaw' as the Gamespot review told it, but a misinterpritation of the 'why' something was the way it was.
At least thats my 45 cents on the review issue anyway. Some points are good yes, others are short sighted, a jump the gun guess of how they 'think' it really is.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
The walls of text that communicate so little are getting bothersome.
TLDR version of Kaocan's post:
I agree with a few points of the review, but the reviewer is shortsighted when it comes to chat functions and XP gain.
I believe that making it difficult to chat with one another mixed with a system dependent on other people causes a game community to thrive. XP wasn't broken, it just worked differently.
Blissfully ignorant huh? You guys are great really, I know kids in elementary school who get called less names than you adults toss around here.
And yes, that quote is a very good quote. It means if your too closed minded to envision the possibility that something may in fact exist, than you will not admit to seeing it when it is right in front of you. Robertson Davies actually, not mine unfortuanetly, although I wish I had the insite like him to come up with such a profound statement. Perhaps one day.
So many here exemplify that quote so well dont you think? The blind leading the blind so to say. Its like God really, if you dont believe he exists than you will not admit he can and will save you from your sins. I know, sorry for the theology reference, but it is true none the less.
The way I see it, each person who comes back with a response like yours is so closed minded they can't see past thier own 'blissful ignorance'. You dont think I'm right when I say what I say solely because you dont see it yourself. You dont open your mind to the possibilty that it might not be as you originally thought it would be. And the idea that you may in fact be the blind one....well that might just scare some of you. It woud explain the rabid hate and name calling thats for sure. A fight or flight mechanism, defense if you will to the self realization that you just may in fact be wrong.
The fact is, I do see things differently than a majority here do. Does that mean I'm rigth or wrong, no...merely that I see things differently. If you uterly refuse to see the possiblity that how I see it may in fact be a possibilty...well then you really do exemplify my quote dont you.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Oh look, I got my very own 'review' on my post. Tell you what, next time, let them read what I wrote instead of twisting it around to please your own morality. This isnt' what I said, you know it, and I know it. Seriously, this is all you people can do anymore? Call names, make insults, and twist words to try and make people look stupid or something? This is intelligent conversation today?
Oh and sorry for the wall of text, I realize reading is a difficult process for most these days. And comprehending it all, wow thats a serious chore right there. Just look how this person here mis-read what was written and came back with thier book report, excellent reading comprehension there. Way to prove my point once again. Love you guys!
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Settle down man, it's not an insult.
For about the first time in MMO history the trolls are the ones saying positive things about a game.
FFXIV has no redeeming qualities other than it's shiny rapper. It's the worst failure of a hyped game in the history of MMOs. About the only one that comes close to this level of failure of VGSOH.
you aren't the old spice guy, get off your high horse
LOL.. You know how dumb you sound? You jus' confirmed to me that the worse parts of FFXIV's beta havn't changed one bit! And you expect me to fork over $70 + monthly sub for this game still?? C'mon Kaocan.. You're fanboyism is all over this forum trying to defend this game, but jus' give it up.. You might like it.. But the critic reviews (not jus game stops theres like 3-4 reviews up on metacritic that give it 4-5 rateings) AND the player reviews ALL can't be wrong.. YOU might enjoy the game but the fact is (based on reviews, amnt of hate in this forum, and sales figures) this game jus' sucks and instead of takeing a step foward for the MMO genre it takes like 20 steps back.
So pretty much theres no auction house.. The map dosn't show you locations.. The UI is in fact annoying and still the #1 complaint from most users (as it has been since beta.) You're still limited to amnt of Levequests you can do.. And not only is it not solo-friendly from my experience it's not that group-friendly either.. And being forced into piggy packing other peoples Levequests does NOT make it group friendly.
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