Premuim = Freebie players that spend in the shop or used to have subscriptions.
Freebie = anyone who pays nothing to play
Character Slots : 5 for VIP, 3 for Premium and 2 for freebies. Didn't it used to be 6 slots? thats 1 limitation to ALL players.
Quest Packs/areas : Eriador for VIP, Ered Luin/Bree/Shire for Premium, Ered Luin/Bree/Shire for freebies. hmmm no north downs, no lone lands, no trollshaws, no high level areas for Free players or those that used to have access to those areas before. Thats a limitation to those that used to play the game before.
Inventory : 5 bags for VIP, 3 for Premium and Freebies. Inventory space should be a set standard no matter what account type someone has. another knock for those that used to play the game.
Gold limit : Unlimited for VIP, 5g for Premuim, 2g for freebie. yet another knock to those who used to have a sub, everyone knows that 5g means your poor (specially when i used to play on Gilrain).
Limited chat, Auction and mail for premium and freebie. i thought this was an MMO and they were aimed at promoting groups, specially when a lot of content is group play or raids.
rest XP is non existant for premium or freebies, fair enough for the free players but for those who used to have a sub or spend in the shop surely that says that they're regulars and should get something they used to get before.
1 or 2 trait slots per trait type for premuim and freebies.. now this is a big hit as traits were class and race specific before.
Destiny points can be earned by all players but can only be spent if your a VIP subscriber.. absolute rubbish..
monster play is not availible to freebies or premium players, used to be anyone with a freep above level 10.
community service is almost non existant for freebies and premuim players, again, absolute rubbish, you get this when you play FPS games without subs.
1) I have 8 or 9 character slots as a subscriber. I got a few "extra" with purchases of expansions.
2) If you bought the expansions before the game went F2P, you still have access to them. You don't have to rebuy them
3) Destiny points and rested XP, I think, should be VIP only. We need to feel a bit special
4) These I have to agree with. I don't think traits should be limited for F2P and the customer support has gone down hill a bit since F2P hit. I haven't even got a response to a ticket I sent in the day after F2P went live. Of course, if you call, you get speedier results.
ViP characters already created and logged in at least once before dropping to premium have all trait slots unlocked, all 5 bag slots, and no gold cap. It's only characters created after the account is premium that are affected by the limits. You also keep any slots that came with expansions you bought. So you'd have 3 as premium plus 2 from MoM plus the 2 from the adventurers pack, giving 7 total as premium.
You also keep any Wardens and Runekeepers you created and logged in while VIP.
Unless Codemasters is making their own rules separate from Turbine, of course.
I don't know if they're making up seperate rules compared to turbine (or if they can get away with doing so) but i do know that Codemasters were against the FTP idea and are still bummed out by it.
Premuim = Freebie players that spend in the shop or used to have subscriptions.
Freebie = anyone who pays nothing to play
Character Slots : 5 for VIP, 3 for Premium and 2 for freebies. Didn't it used to be 6 slots? thats 1 limitation to ALL players.
Quest Packs/areas : Eriador for VIP, Ered Luin/Bree/Shire for Premium, Ered Luin/Bree/Shire for freebies. hmmm no north downs, no lone lands, no trollshaws, no high level areas for Free players or those that used to have access to those areas before. Thats a limitation to those that used to play the game before.
Inventory : 5 bags for VIP, 3 for Premium and Freebies. Inventory space should be a set standard no matter what account type someone has. another knock for those that used to play the game.
Gold limit : Unlimited for VIP, 5g for Premuim, 2g for freebie. yet another knock to those who used to have a sub, everyone knows that 5g means your poor (specially when i used to play on Gilrain).
Limited chat, Auction and mail for premium and freebie. i thought this was an MMO and they were aimed at promoting groups, specially when a lot of content is group play or raids.
rest XP is non existant for premium or freebies, fair enough for the free players but for those who used to have a sub or spend in the shop surely that says that they're regulars and should get something they used to get before.
1 or 2 trait slots per trait type for premuim and freebies.. now this is a big hit as traits were class and race specific before.
Destiny points can be earned by all players but can only be spent if your a VIP subscriber.. absolute rubbish..
monster play is not availible to freebies or premium players, used to be anyone with a freep above level 10.
community service is almost non existant for freebies and premuim players, again, absolute rubbish, you get this when you play FPS games without subs.
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
About the same as limits on subs before release.
There also was not Cataclysm on horizon, DDO F2P model, RoM and Atlantica F2P games, EQ2X trial and others - like last remnants of LOTRO left to rot for pennies in bargain bins in the most dusty of shops. Lets not be ridiculous and regress back to dark ages.
To put it bluntly, the limitation on non-subscribers was mainly that they did not care about the game one bit.
The *current* offers are what matters and the are sub vs micro-payments and one is clearly inferior at higher price.
First of all, wasn't addressing you with my quote.
Second, you make zero sense. If you feel important enough to answer for him, then at least you could actually answer the simple question I asked. If the limitations for non-subscribers suck now, then how do they compare to limitations for non-subsribers pre-f2p?
(pre-emptive guess that you will not answer the question)
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
I thought the Subcribers and Lifetimers were VIPs now? And free players that actually supported Turbine with in shop purchases were Premium? IN the long run Premiums will pay much less to play lotro so shouldn't they have resrictions?
And imo the totally free (super TP grinders) should have the most heavily restricted experience.
I gotta ask though who told you Lifetimers = premium?
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
I thought the Subcribers and Lifetimers were VIPs now? And free players that actually supported Turbine with in shop purchases were Premium? IN the long run Premiums will pay much less to play lotro so shouldn't they have resrictions?
And imo the totally free (super TP grinders) should have the most heavily restricted experience.
I gotta ask though who told you Lifetimers = premium?
Lifetimers = VIP
Pre-FTP subbies and new freebies who spend in shop are Premium.
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
I thought the Subcribers and Lifetimers were VIPs now? And free players that actually supported Turbine with in shop purchases were Premium? IN the long run Premiums will pay much less to play lotro so shouldn't they have resrictions?
And imo the totally free (super TP grinders) should have the most heavily restricted experience.
I gotta ask though who told you Lifetimers = premium?
Lifetimers = VIP
Pre-FTP subbies and new freebies who spend in shop are Premium.
Don't VIPs pay a subscription? Your confusing me bro i need to grab my morning coffee.
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
I thought the Subcribers and Lifetimers were VIPs now? And free players that actually supported Turbine with in shop purchases were Premium? IN the long run Premiums will pay much less to play lotro so shouldn't they have resrictions?
And imo the totally free (super TP grinders) should have the most heavily restricted experience.
I gotta ask though who told you Lifetimers = premium?
Lifetimers = VIP
Pre-FTP subbies and new freebies who spend in shop are Premium.
Don't VIPs pay a subscription? Your confusing me bro i need to grab my morning coffee.
You seem to be speaking in riddle.
lol sorry if confusing. this is what i've read on how the "classes" for accounts work. (simplified and basic cause it was a while ago that i read it). please bare in mind that this was read from a codemasters source post not turbine..
VIP = Players who had paid for lifetime subscription OR are currently paying a monthly subscription fee.
Premium = Players who paid a monthly subscription fee prior to FTP who have chosen not to have a monthly fee anymore OR New free account holders who have spent in the shop.
Free = New account holders who don't pay monthly and haven't spent anything in the shop.
i probably didn't make myself clear as my post has been taken the wrong way.
first off i mentioned that i don't have an issue with it going FTP, just the limitations on it for non subscribers....
I'll make this real simple. Answer this one question: Before LOTRO went FTP, what were the limitations on non-subscribers?
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
I thought the Subcribers and Lifetimers were VIPs now? And free players that actually supported Turbine with in shop purchases were Premium? IN the long run Premiums will pay much less to play lotro so shouldn't they have resrictions?
And imo the totally free (super TP grinders) should have the most heavily restricted experience.
I gotta ask though who told you Lifetimers = premium?
Lifetimers = VIP
Pre-FTP subbies and new freebies who spend in shop are Premium.
Don't VIPs pay a subscription? Your confusing me bro i need to grab my morning coffee.
You seem to be speaking in riddle.
lol sorry if confusing. this is what i've read on how the "classes" for accounts work. (simplified and basic cause it was a while ago that i read it). please bare in mind that this was read from a codemasters source post not turbine..
VIP = Players who had paid for lifetime subscription OR are currently paying a monthly subscription fee.
Premium = Players who paid a monthly subscription fee prior to FTP who have chosen not to have a monthly fee anymore OR New free account holders who have spent in the shop.
Free = New account holders who don't pay monthly and haven't spent anything in the shop.
No worries bro... Its early and on my days off im not a full human until noon.
All i know is before F2p if i stopped my sub Lotro went bye bye.
Now if i stop it i can still play.
Premium and Free play is a new type of player base. The lifers and people that are existing subs were combined into VIP with access to everything (except expansions i think).
Playing Lotro as a Premium player is kinda like a B2p model in guildwars. I buy everything i'll always have it.
First of Subscribers and Lifetimers have always been equal and still are(the term VIP got introduced with F2P), only difference is that Lifetimers pay no monthly sub. Secondly there are no limitations to VIPs, your reading the chart wrong. 5 chars per server always have been the normal amount, it got modified by +2 with moria, and +2 again with the adventurer pack. And it still is, which you would have noticed if you had read the fine print in the chart you linked.
There is absolutely no difference between Subscribers pre or post F2P, apart that they now get 500 free TP per months.
First of Subscribers and Lifetimers have always been equal and still are(the term VIP got introduced with F2P), only difference is that Lifetimers pay no monthly sub. Secondly there are no limitations to VIPs, your reading the chart wrong. 5 chars per server always have been the normal amount, it got modified by +2 with moria, and +2 again with the adventurer pack. And it still is, which you would have noticed if you had read the fine print in the chart you linked.
There is absolutely no difference between Subscribers pre or post F2P, apart that they now get 500 free TP per months.
I did read the fine print and your referring to the double * i believe.
Yes you do get +2 for MoM and +2 for adventurers, i didn't mention anything about them, what i did mention is that pre FTP you didn't have only 5 character slots, before i bought MoM i had 6 characters (not counting my Creeps), Level 50 champ, level 34 Captain, Level 23 Hunter, Level 14 Guardian, Level 14 Burglar and Level 14 Lore Master. Thats 6 characters by my counting, now your limited to 5 UNLESS you purchase expansions or individual slots, thats the gripe about slots i have.
I used the term VIP pre FTP for Lifers merely because they didn't have to pay monthly anymore and i may be wrong but i'm sure they got something which made them distinquishable from regular sub payers.
First of Subscribers and Lifetimers have always been equal and still are(the term VIP got introduced with F2P), only difference is that Lifetimers pay no monthly sub. Secondly there are no limitations to VIPs, your reading the chart wrong. 5 chars per server always have been the normal amount, it got modified by +2 with moria, and +2 again with the adventurer pack. And it still is, which you would have noticed if you had read the fine print in the chart you linked.
There is absolutely no difference between Subscribers pre or post F2P, apart that they now get 500 free TP per months.
I did read the fine print and your referring to the double * i believe.
Yes you do get +2 for MoM and +2 for adventurers, i didn't mention anything about them, what i did mention is that pre FTP you didn't have only 5 character slots, before i bought MoM i had 6 characters (not counting my Creeps), Level 50 champ, level 34 Captain, Level 23 Hunter, Level 14 Guardian, Level 14 Burglar and Level 14 Lore Master. Thats 6 characters by my counting, now your limited to 5 UNLESS you purchase expansions or individual slots, thats the gripe about slots i have.
I used the term VIP pre FTP for Lifers merely because they didn't have to pay monthly anymore and i may be wrong but i'm sure they got something which made them distinquishable from regular sub payers.
Look your wrong ok? Im not talking here about my foggy memory or somesuch, im a EU customer and i am playing the "pre F2P" right now. I have exactly 9 charslots, 2 from MoM and 2 from Adventurer pack and 5 from the base game. I have the box of moria and the receipt of adventurer pack and both mention +2 charslots. I would have 10 charslots if base was 6, which it is not.
Also you would think there would be threads of ... oh i don't know active players who can't play one of their chars anymore if F2P took one charslot away don't you think? And yes you are wrong about Lifers too, founders got some extra stuff, but i am a(non founder) lifer and i got nothing.
First of Subscribers and Lifetimers have always been equal and still are(the term VIP got introduced with F2P), only difference is that Lifetimers pay no monthly sub. Secondly there are no limitations to VIPs, your reading the chart wrong. 5 chars per server always have been the normal amount, it got modified by +2 with moria, and +2 again with the adventurer pack. And it still is, which you would have noticed if you had read the fine print in the chart you linked.
There is absolutely no difference between Subscribers pre or post F2P, apart that they now get 500 free TP per months.
I did read the fine print and your referring to the double * i believe.
Yes you do get +2 for MoM and +2 for adventurers, i didn't mention anything about them, what i did mention is that pre FTP you didn't have only 5 character slots, before i bought MoM i had 6 characters (not counting my Creeps), Level 50 champ, level 34 Captain, Level 23 Hunter, Level 14 Guardian, Level 14 Burglar and Level 14 Lore Master. Thats 6 characters by my counting, now your limited to 5 UNLESS you purchase expansions or individual slots, thats the gripe about slots i have.
I used the term VIP pre FTP for Lifers merely because they didn't have to pay monthly anymore and i may be wrong but i'm sure they got something which made them distinquishable from regular sub payers.
Look your wrong ok? Im not talking here about my foggy memory or somesuch, im a EU customer and i am playing the "pre F2P" right now. I have exactly 9 charslots, 2 from MoM and 2 from Adventurer pack and 5 from the base game. I have the box of moria and the receipt of adventurer pack and both mention +2 charslots. I would have 10 charslots if base was 6, which it is not.
Also you would think there would be threads of ... oh i don't know active players who can't play one of their chars anymore if F2P took one charslot away don't you think? And yes you are wrong about Lifers too, founders got some extra stuff, but i am a(non founder) lifer and i got nothing.
No need to get bit**y about it m8, i'm wrong about lifers fair enough, as said i wasn't sure regarding in game differences for them. and as another poster has mentioned before, they filled up their slots so they kept them amounts after it went FTP, therefore there wouldn't be any threads of players saying they've lost a character.
No need to get bit**y about it m8, i'm wrong about lifers fair enough, as said i wasn't sure regarding in game differences for them. and as another poster has mentioned before, they filled up their slots so they kept them amounts after it went FTP, therefore there wouldn't be any threads of players saying they've lost a character.
What i am is tired of unfounded accusations. The game launched with 5 base slots, +2 from moria, +2 adventurer pack. Its an age old discussion because around the F2P announcement alot of people where crying just like you that VIP would only have 5 slots, unlike you they missed the fineprint though. Read this they talk about it and its repeatedly mentioned that 5 is base, and 9 is current max. Here is another source.
I can give you half dozen other links on that or just google it for yourself, you wont find a single person claiming he had 10 charslots prior to F2P. You are simply wrong. I mean just now i logged into my EU version, confirmed i only had 9 charslots, asked in my kin, and blast it! They also only have 9 charslots.
And if i wanted to be nasty i would accuse you of lying, not of being wrong or having faulty memory. The problem by spreading these false informations is that people will start to believe them if noone opposes them.
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I don't know if they're making up seperate rules compared to turbine (or if they can get away with doing so) but i do know that Codemasters were against the FTP idea and are still bummed out by it.
Asked you to answer a simple question...but I guess answering it would shoot your argument full of holes.
First of all, wasn't addressing you with my quote.
Second, you make zero sense. If you feel important enough to answer for him, then at least you could actually answer the simple question I asked. If the limitations for non-subscribers suck now, then how do they compare to limitations for non-subsribers pre-f2p?
(pre-emptive guess that you will not answer the question)
The limitations BEFORE FTP were they couldn't play the game, if you read what i've said previously i have nothing against the Freebie side of the game, my arguments are aimed at the Premium and some VIP limitations in comparison to how the game was before it went FTP..
But there where no premiums before, just VIPs. And what VIP limitations are you talking about? VIPs do not have any limitations. Also im still playing the pre F2P version of the game on CM servers, and let me tell you it sucks compared to the Turbine version.
Pre FTP there were subscribers and the VIPs were lifetime purchasers. The Premiums out now are the players that were normal sub payers before and those free players who have purchased in the shop.
For the VIP limitaions see what i posted above with a link to the official site listing the limitations (number of character slots being one i mentioned even for VIPs). The codemasters version is what i'm referring to mainly as thats who handle the european side of things from what i've read.
I thought the Subcribers and Lifetimers were VIPs now? And free players that actually supported Turbine with in shop purchases were Premium? IN the long run Premiums will pay much less to play lotro so shouldn't they have resrictions?
And imo the totally free (super TP grinders) should have the most heavily restricted experience.
I gotta ask though who told you Lifetimers = premium?
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Lifetimers = VIP
Pre-FTP subbies and new freebies who spend in shop are Premium.
Make sure you didn't make them all on the same server as you won't have 9 slots when back to premium.
Plus, there are advantages to making toons on other servers (Get some extra TP that way).
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Don't VIPs pay a subscription? Your confusing me bro i need to grab my morning coffee.
You seem to be speaking in riddle.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I spread them across three servers.
Firefoot, Landroval and Brandywine.
I have no intentions of playing a Burgler but for shits and giggles i even made one of them.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
lol sorry if confusing. this is what i've read on how the "classes" for accounts work. (simplified and basic cause it was a while ago that i read it). please bare in mind that this was read from a codemasters source post not turbine..
VIP = Players who had paid for lifetime subscription OR are currently paying a monthly subscription fee.
Premium = Players who paid a monthly subscription fee prior to FTP who have chosen not to have a monthly fee anymore OR New free account holders who have spent in the shop.
Free = New account holders who don't pay monthly and haven't spent anything in the shop.
No worries bro... Its early and on my days off im not a full human until noon.
All i know is before F2p if i stopped my sub Lotro went bye bye.
Now if i stop it i can still play.
Premium and Free play is a new type of player base. The lifers and people that are existing subs were combined into VIP with access to everything (except expansions i think).
Playing Lotro as a Premium player is kinda like a B2p model in guildwars. I buy everything i'll always have it.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
@Antaran
First of Subscribers and Lifetimers have always been equal and still are(the term VIP got introduced with F2P), only difference is that Lifetimers pay no monthly sub. Secondly there are no limitations to VIPs, your reading the chart wrong. 5 chars per server always have been the normal amount, it got modified by +2 with moria, and +2 again with the adventurer pack. And it still is, which you would have noticed if you had read the fine print in the chart you linked.
There is absolutely no difference between Subscribers pre or post F2P, apart that they now get 500 free TP per months.
I did read the fine print and your referring to the double * i believe.
Yes you do get +2 for MoM and +2 for adventurers, i didn't mention anything about them, what i did mention is that pre FTP you didn't have only 5 character slots, before i bought MoM i had 6 characters (not counting my Creeps), Level 50 champ, level 34 Captain, Level 23 Hunter, Level 14 Guardian, Level 14 Burglar and Level 14 Lore Master. Thats 6 characters by my counting, now your limited to 5 UNLESS you purchase expansions or individual slots, thats the gripe about slots i have.
I used the term VIP pre FTP for Lifers merely because they didn't have to pay monthly anymore and i may be wrong but i'm sure they got something which made them distinquishable from regular sub payers.
Look your wrong ok? Im not talking here about my foggy memory or somesuch, im a EU customer and i am playing the "pre F2P" right now. I have exactly 9 charslots, 2 from MoM and 2 from Adventurer pack and 5 from the base game. I have the box of moria and the receipt of adventurer pack and both mention +2 charslots. I would have 10 charslots if base was 6, which it is not.
Also you would think there would be threads of ... oh i don't know active players who can't play one of their chars anymore if F2P took one charslot away don't you think? And yes you are wrong about Lifers too, founders got some extra stuff, but i am a(non founder) lifer and i got nothing.
No need to get bit**y about it m8, i'm wrong about lifers fair enough, as said i wasn't sure regarding in game differences for them. and as another poster has mentioned before, they filled up their slots so they kept them amounts after it went FTP, therefore there wouldn't be any threads of players saying they've lost a character.
What i am is tired of unfounded accusations. The game launched with 5 base slots, +2 from moria, +2 adventurer pack. Its an age old discussion because around the F2P announcement alot of people where crying just like you that VIP would only have 5 slots, unlike you they missed the fineprint though. Read this they talk about it and its repeatedly mentioned that 5 is base, and 9 is current max. Here is another source.
I can give you half dozen other links on that or just google it for yourself, you wont find a single person claiming he had 10 charslots prior to F2P. You are simply wrong. I mean just now i logged into my EU version, confirmed i only had 9 charslots, asked in my kin, and blast it! They also only have 9 charslots.
And if i wanted to be nasty i would accuse you of lying, not of being wrong or having faulty memory. The problem by spreading these false informations is that people will start to believe them if noone opposes them.