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We wouldn't have been able to read it anyway bro. I'm not surprised that this game is dominating the poll in its own thread. FF just seems to be running away with this competition, with APB and STO neck and neck for second place. I think what makes FF a larger disappointment is that they are an experienced studio with experience in the MMO field, there is no excuse for this second rate garbage.
Exactly. Anyone with any knowledge of Cryptic was unsurprised about STO or at least should have been.
Well, I can be honest and say that even though I really love Final Fantasy all the way from the 8 bit days to the current, I'm really disappointed with where the IP has gone.
I'm not saying this is a fact or true in any other facet than my opinion, but I feel the IP really hit it's pinnacle at Final Fantasy 7 and then has declined since then. Like said it might not be fact or true in most people's minds, I just look at it that way.
But, the game isn't a total loss. They'll fix it up and they'll make a respectable game out of it. It may never be as big as some other games or IPs, but heck at least it will eventually be something that many of us fans can enjoy.
Chances are it'll be a game I put down and come back to several months or a year down the road, but the game isn't a complete waste.
It's good they're fixing things and giving people more time. The only part I'm really upset about is that it's yet another game hitting the market before it is ready.
I'm just hoping that developers are starting to get the message from the many of us that get ticked off at that.
FFXIV was indeed my biggest disappointment, but certainly not the game that enraged me the most and SOE is certainly not the company that I feel were just scoundrels when it came down to it.
Take a look a Atari and Cryptic. Look at Champions Online and Star Trek Online....those are really bad games. Again, that's my opinion, but I'm willing to back that statement with a lot more heart than I can saying something like that about Final Fantasy.
In the end the only votes I have are with my posts and with my wallet. They'll get plenty of the prior and no more of the latter for now.
I have no horse in this race, as FF 13 was only FF game I ever played, and didnt like it.
That said, it is silly to think an unpolished game is going to go over well in market these days. I may not of liked FF13 gameplay, but it didnt come off as broken.
From the complaints I read, and the fact they are giving a free extra month says SE screwed the pooch on this one.
Enough MMOs have launched after WoW that have shown if you dont get it right at launch, then you will never get the numbers that a polished launch would of netted.
So I wont call out FF14 as biggest disappointment.....I will say it was a huge screw up on SE's part. This game had the potential to be mega huge, and it could turn out huge....but that would be the best case scenario.
Someone's head should roll for releasing as is. Several more months of polish would of probably made this game a home run(just going by IP.....havent played game). It could still be a double or triple....but I think a single or base on balls is sounding more realistic.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Well, Star Trek Online we knew was going to be pretty bad just by the company who developed it. It was going to be a cheap milk run on the license. If expectations are low, then they can't disappoint. And we weren't. The game turned out to be just a cheap milk run on the license. Expectations met.
PBA, well new company, design that didn't seem possible. Never had high hopes for that one. Again, did not dissapoint. A cynic rarely is.
But FFXIV. What we have here is a sequel by a well established company. How could they possibly get it wrong on so many fronts. Not all the critisms are fair, we have to consider the main market is the console after all. The graphics are nice and the cutscenes are as beautiful as expected. But come on, did they just random guess the MMO design?
I think we expected more especially a more polished western feel. There are excuses for some issues but the lag was and is insane. The interface a nightmare. The leave system a throwback to earlier days.
More was expected and failed to be delivered. The game will most likely reflect this. High initial sales, then a nosedive. Wether it will be as bad as AoC remains to be seen. There are plenty of fans willing to stick it out for the FF feel and the game is different enough from main western games to also attract attention.
But it won't be a success. Just another also-ran. Like the original.
I think with the director and his staff being fired and APB reloading next year, FF14 no doubt has to be the runaway winner of biggest disappointment of the 2010 gaming year. It's clear this game will never have the mass appeal they went for and needs to be completely redesigned. They can keep it free all they want, the customers still won't come and waste their time on a poor product. Better luck next time SE and congrats on being the worst gaming company of the year! Between ff13 and ff14, many of us will never purchase another SE game again.
I liked 13....but either way, the only reason thish could be the biggest dissapointment of the year, is because of the company that released it...nothing more. SE's been such a stable for ALOT of different game genre's for plenty of years, but rpg's were essencially their bread and butter, and they without a doubt dropped the ball on XIV and to most people 13. there's other threads on here showing SE's actual reach...to say nobody will by another SE released or made game again....wishful thinking until you read the list of subsidary companies they have their paws in. but i'll agree XIV screwed the pooch....and didn't even but it a drink.
I liked 13....but either way, the only reason thish could be the biggest dissapointment of the year, is because of the company that released it...nothing more. SE's been such a stable for ALOT of different game genre's for plenty of years, but rpg's were essencially their bread and butter, and they without a doubt dropped the ball on XIV and to most people 13. there's other threads on here showing SE's actual reach...to say nobody will by another SE released or made game again....wishful thinking until you read the list of subsidary companies they have their paws in. but i'll agree XIV screwed the pooch....and didn't even but it a drink.
True, SE has its paws in everything and I will no doubt buy the arkum asylum 2 game from Eidos, which is another company they own. What most of us and myself should have said was because of 13 and 14 I will never buy another final fantasy game, not another SE game. Thanks for putting it in perspective that they do own alot of other subsidies, however they still dropped the ball on the final fantasy series this year and it will be a while before many of us can trust the final fantasy name again, if ever, and that's a shame since for awhile FF represented the best of a generation in RPG's.
True, SE has its paws in everything and I will no doubt buy the arkum asylum 2 game from Eidos, which is another company they own. What most of us and myself should have said was because of 13 and 14 I will never buy another final fantasy game, not another SE game. Thanks for putting it in perspective that they do own alot of other subsidies, however they still dropped the ball on the final fantasy series this year and it will be a while before many of us can trust the final fantasy name again, if ever, and that's a shame since for awhile FF represented the best of a generation in RPG's.
very true, at one point i remember if an rpg even came out that wasn't through SE i'd hear the question from someone "is it like final fantasy at all?", and that was them...they made themselves a juggernaught in the rpg making busniess. for them to slip up this drastically is just unbelieveable, this is something that really after everything is said and done...tarnishes the FF name...and if they make another one (which i'm sure they will) they are going to have scores of people...clamoring to not buy it at all.
IMO i definitly think FFXIV was the biggest flop. I had great expectations for FFXIV, it was the only MMO i was looking forward to. Coming from FFXI which was the greatest gaming experience i ever had. I was extremely disapointed.
At this point its quite obvious isn't it? FFXIV the biggest disappointment of 2010.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I liked 13....but either way, the only reason thish could be the biggest dissapointment of the year, is because of the company that released it...nothing more. SE's been such a stable for ALOT of different game genre's for plenty of years, but rpg's were essencially their bread and butter, and they without a doubt dropped the ball on XIV and to most people 13. there's other threads on here showing SE's actual reach...to say nobody will by another SE released or made game again....wishful thinking until you read the list of subsidary companies they have their paws in. but i'll agree XIV screwed the pooch....and didn't even but it a drink.
True, SE has its paws in everything and I will no doubt buy the arkum asylum 2 game from Eidos, which is another company they own. What most of us and myself should have said was because of 13 and 14 I will never buy another final fantasy game, not another SE game. Thanks for putting it in perspective that they do own alot of other subsidies, however they still dropped the ball on the final fantasy series this year and it will be a while before many of us can trust the final fantasy name again, if ever, and that's a shame since for awhile FF represented the best of a generation in RPG's.
I agree on 13 :P, game with the longest tutorial ever. I personally wait for Mindjack. Nice gameconcept.
I do think that the game will be amazing in a couple of years. But I don't think they should ever of released it as is. There is a cultural divide that now has been applied for this company that you cannot release products on a subscription level that is not ready to compete. The gaming market has changed for online subscriptions as we all know. Customers on a global scale in republics or democracies where personal property is respected do not just follow in an orderly fashion. They are free thinkers and will expect a respect of their intelligence. I do like the foundation for this game a lot. So for me it is not the end of the world. In MMO time 2 years from now I think the content will be here. I had a dream last night about this game that holograms were being used as maps and radar huds in true 3d. I think it was based on a IBM article I read yesterday how they are developing microchips that exchange data with light as opposed to electrons. This would increase the CPU and GPU 1000x what we see now. I think the programmers for this game are amazing. The artists are amazing. So I am excited to see this game in the future. Even AoC has great content now from level 1-80. Eve Online is adding new technology and features all the time. My point is too stick with the game you love and damn the cry babies. SE has the funding to turn this around and will adapt it to the coming technology. If you like this game support it.
I am a huge ff fan, I grew up with it. I wouldn't buy any ff just by the title. I didn't enjoy VIII for the most part, junctions were cool. I didn't even ponder buying X-2. I love XI, but for all the peeps claiming XI was such a good mmo to you. Where are you? The game pop peaked at 2008 at 2mil. And has since hovered between 250-500k subs. XIV had a bad launch, as 95% other mmos too. I expected XIV to launch almost exactly how it did minus the wards and excessive menu and party balance. The PS3 is their clean slate. If the PS3 version gets 7.5+ review scores and all the pc issues non existant on ps3. Then this will be the only polished fantasy mmo on the system where a gold membership not required. If they can make PC version better the game is releasing in China so more revenue there too. XIII dissapointed old school FF fans because many of the things related to the series were removed due to budgets. The lack of exploration in terrain, overworld map, and sidequest from beginning to end sucked. Because those aspects are what add replayability to rpg. XIII was the first in the series I didn't have to play 300hrs or refer to web for secrets minus the endgame weapon augments. The game sold 5.5mil units and unless you can prove 5.2 mil returned it. You can't say most hated it. I know peeps who never liked FF love XIII. All it takes is one FF game with no corners cut. I believe that's the biggest reason why people feel FF has waned since Square Enix merger is budgets/ schedules. The big bosses expect devs to release an FF title every 2-3 years with substantially higher production values. EIther lower the production value some or stop rushing. If XIII had all the old staples overworld map, free exploration, sidequest galore, character combat identity(Like ff3, not every companion fights same way mechanics wise.), open ended skill growth like VII/IX, and various other things it would have been a 10. Yes even though XIII was so different from older stuff, I enjoyed it one playthrough. But the replayability is not there and please never ever put an auto battle option again.
Tried coming back to wow, got my warrior to 85, tanked some heroics - boring.
No idea what to play now... Will most probably give Age of Conan a try since they finally have a free trial, will not like it as well because it's another WoW wannabe and return to Fallen Earth or EVE until TOR or GW are out.
"Only in quiet waters do things mirror themselves undistorted. Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world." Hans Margolius
Ofcourse not ;p. FFXIV is doing great. 400K to 500K players online anytime. SE was so happy with their success that they decided not to charge monthly fee from their loyal fan base. They are just that nice.
Ofcourse not ;p. FFXIV is doing great. 400K to 500K players online anytime. SE was so happy with their success that they decided not to charge monthly fee from their loyal fan base. They are just that nice.
Yes
"Give players systems and tools instead of rails and rules"
Ofcourse not ;p. FFXIV is doing great. 400K to 500K players online anytime. SE was so happy with their success that they decided not to charge monthly fee from their loyal fan base. They are just that nice.
Yes
Well its a universal truth so no argument here. I was just agreeing with you.
I didn't play these other games but I was definitlely upset my FFXIV. After all these years with FFXI out it seems they learned very little. I won't comment on stuff that doesn't work or that was not available during launch. I will comment on the very boring combat, lack luster quests, and horrible UI/controls. Its very grindy and not even close the the trailers it depicts. I was most disappointed in them from not living up to at least the standards we expect in MMOs these days. Played the beta and QQ'ed hard.
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Exactly. Anyone with any knowledge of Cryptic was unsurprised about STO or at least should have been.
Well, I can be honest and say that even though I really love Final Fantasy all the way from the 8 bit days to the current, I'm really disappointed with where the IP has gone.
I'm not saying this is a fact or true in any other facet than my opinion, but I feel the IP really hit it's pinnacle at Final Fantasy 7 and then has declined since then. Like said it might not be fact or true in most people's minds, I just look at it that way.
But, the game isn't a total loss. They'll fix it up and they'll make a respectable game out of it. It may never be as big as some other games or IPs, but heck at least it will eventually be something that many of us fans can enjoy.
Chances are it'll be a game I put down and come back to several months or a year down the road, but the game isn't a complete waste.
It's good they're fixing things and giving people more time. The only part I'm really upset about is that it's yet another game hitting the market before it is ready.
I'm just hoping that developers are starting to get the message from the many of us that get ticked off at that.
FFXIV was indeed my biggest disappointment, but certainly not the game that enraged me the most and SOE is certainly not the company that I feel were just scoundrels when it came down to it.
Take a look a Atari and Cryptic. Look at Champions Online and Star Trek Online....those are really bad games. Again, that's my opinion, but I'm willing to back that statement with a lot more heart than I can saying something like that about Final Fantasy.
In the end the only votes I have are with my posts and with my wallet. They'll get plenty of the prior and no more of the latter for now.
I have no horse in this race, as FF 13 was only FF game I ever played, and didnt like it.
That said, it is silly to think an unpolished game is going to go over well in market these days. I may not of liked FF13 gameplay, but it didnt come off as broken.
From the complaints I read, and the fact they are giving a free extra month says SE screwed the pooch on this one.
Enough MMOs have launched after WoW that have shown if you dont get it right at launch, then you will never get the numbers that a polished launch would of netted.
So I wont call out FF14 as biggest disappointment.....I will say it was a huge screw up on SE's part. This game had the potential to be mega huge, and it could turn out huge....but that would be the best case scenario.
Someone's head should roll for releasing as is. Several more months of polish would of probably made this game a home run(just going by IP.....havent played game). It could still be a double or triple....but I think a single or base on balls is sounding more realistic.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Well, Star Trek Online we knew was going to be pretty bad just by the company who developed it. It was going to be a cheap milk run on the license. If expectations are low, then they can't disappoint. And we weren't. The game turned out to be just a cheap milk run on the license. Expectations met.
PBA, well new company, design that didn't seem possible. Never had high hopes for that one. Again, did not dissapoint. A cynic rarely is.
But FFXIV. What we have here is a sequel by a well established company. How could they possibly get it wrong on so many fronts. Not all the critisms are fair, we have to consider the main market is the console after all. The graphics are nice and the cutscenes are as beautiful as expected. But come on, did they just random guess the MMO design?
I think we expected more especially a more polished western feel. There are excuses for some issues but the lag was and is insane. The interface a nightmare. The leave system a throwback to earlier days.
More was expected and failed to be delivered. The game will most likely reflect this. High initial sales, then a nosedive. Wether it will be as bad as AoC remains to be seen. There are plenty of fans willing to stick it out for the FF feel and the game is different enough from main western games to also attract attention.
But it won't be a success. Just another also-ran. Like the original.
To bad. SWTOR coming soon?
That's probably a pretty accurate statement. It's unfortunate, because I really like the franchise.
I mean, like you say the game isn't doomed, but it's not going to sweep the MMO market like a certain other game has.
Oh well, I'll revisit it in six to tweleve months and see what's transpired.
Its probably going to end up like FFX!, a niche game. Which if you think about it, isnt bad for the ppl who it is targeting.
I think with the director and his staff being fired and APB reloading next year, FF14 no doubt has to be the runaway winner of biggest disappointment of the 2010 gaming year. It's clear this game will never have the mass appeal they went for and needs to be completely redesigned. They can keep it free all they want, the customers still won't come and waste their time on a poor product. Better luck next time SE and congrats on being the worst gaming company of the year! Between ff13 and ff14, many of us will never purchase another SE game again.
I liked 13....but either way, the only reason thish could be the biggest dissapointment of the year, is because of the company that released it...nothing more. SE's been such a stable for ALOT of different game genre's for plenty of years, but rpg's were essencially their bread and butter, and they without a doubt dropped the ball on XIV and to most people 13. there's other threads on here showing SE's actual reach...to say nobody will by another SE released or made game again....wishful thinking until you read the list of subsidary companies they have their paws in. but i'll agree XIV screwed the pooch....and didn't even but it a drink.
Played:FFXI, WoW, LOTR,EQ. Playing:FFXIV.
Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.
True, SE has its paws in everything and I will no doubt buy the arkum asylum 2 game from Eidos, which is another company they own. What most of us and myself should have said was because of 13 and 14 I will never buy another final fantasy game, not another SE game. Thanks for putting it in perspective that they do own alot of other subsidies, however they still dropped the ball on the final fantasy series this year and it will be a while before many of us can trust the final fantasy name again, if ever, and that's a shame since for awhile FF represented the best of a generation in RPG's.
@Title
Biggest disappointment since WAR/AoC
He who keeps his cool best wins.
very true, at one point i remember if an rpg even came out that wasn't through SE i'd hear the question from someone "is it like final fantasy at all?", and that was them...they made themselves a juggernaught in the rpg making busniess. for them to slip up this drastically is just unbelieveable, this is something that really after everything is said and done...tarnishes the FF name...and if they make another one (which i'm sure they will) they are going to have scores of people...clamoring to not buy it at all.
Played:FFXI, WoW, LOTR,EQ. Playing:FFXIV.
Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.
Well this kind of cements it. :P
IMO i definitly think FFXIV was the biggest flop. I had great expectations for FFXIV, it was the only MMO i was looking forward to. Coming from FFXI which was the greatest gaming experience i ever had. I was extremely disapointed.
At this point its quite obvious isn't it? FFXIV the biggest disappointment of 2010.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Yes, FFXIV wins for the biggest dissapointment of 2010. In fact, it runs away with the honors in my opinion.
I agree on 13 :P, game with the longest tutorial ever. I personally wait for Mindjack. Nice gameconcept.
I do think that the game will be amazing in a couple of years. But I don't think they should ever of released it as is. There is a cultural divide that now has been applied for this company that you cannot release products on a subscription level that is not ready to compete. The gaming market has changed for online subscriptions as we all know. Customers on a global scale in republics or democracies where personal property is respected do not just follow in an orderly fashion. They are free thinkers and will expect a respect of their intelligence. I do like the foundation for this game a lot. So for me it is not the end of the world. In MMO time 2 years from now I think the content will be here. I had a dream last night about this game that holograms were being used as maps and radar huds in true 3d. I think it was based on a IBM article I read yesterday how they are developing microchips that exchange data with light as opposed to electrons. This would increase the CPU and GPU 1000x what we see now. I think the programmers for this game are amazing. The artists are amazing. So I am excited to see this game in the future. Even AoC has great content now from level 1-80. Eve Online is adding new technology and features all the time. My point is too stick with the game you love and damn the cry babies. SE has the funding to turn this around and will adapt it to the coming technology. If you like this game support it.
um......ok?
Played:FFXI, WoW, LOTR,EQ. Playing:FFXIV.
Looking Forward To:DCU, SWTOR.
I expected XIV to launch almost exactly how it did minus the wards and excessive menu and party balance. The PS3 is their clean slate. If the PS3 version gets 7.5+ review scores and all the pc issues non existant on ps3. Then this will be the only polished fantasy mmo on the system where a gold membership not required. If they can make PC version better the game is releasing in China so more revenue there too. XIII dissapointed old school FF fans because many of the things related to the series were removed due to budgets. The lack of exploration in terrain, overworld map, and sidequest from beginning to end sucked. Because those aspects are what add replayability to rpg. XIII was the first in the series I didn't have to play 300hrs or refer to web for secrets minus the endgame weapon augments. The game sold 5.5mil units and unless you can prove 5.2 mil returned it. You can't say most hated it. I know peeps who never liked FF love XIII. All it takes is one FF game with no corners cut. I believe that's the biggest reason why people feel FF has waned since Square Enix merger is budgets/ schedules. The big bosses expect devs to release an FF title every 2-3 years with substantially higher production values. EIther lower the production value some or stop rushing. If XIII had all the old staples overworld map, free exploration, sidequest galore, character combat identity(Like ff3, not every companion fights same way mechanics wise.), open ended skill growth like VII/IX, and various other things it would have been a 10. Yes even though XIII was so different from older stuff, I enjoyed it one playthrough. But the replayability is not there and please never ever put an auto battle option again.
It was my own personal disappointment of 2010.
Tried coming back to wow, got my warrior to 85, tanked some heroics - boring.
No idea what to play now... Will most probably give Age of Conan a try since they finally have a free trial, will not like it as well because it's another WoW wannabe and return to Fallen Earth or EVE until TOR or GW are out.
"Only in quiet waters do things mirror themselves undistorted.
Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
Hans Margolius
No.
Ofcourse not ;p. FFXIV is doing great. 400K to 500K players online anytime. SE was so happy with their success that they decided not to charge monthly fee from their loyal fan base. They are just that nice.
Bite Me
Yes
Well its a universal truth so no argument here. I was just agreeing with you.
Bite Me
I didn't play these other games but I was definitlely upset my FFXIV. After all these years with FFXI out it seems they learned very little. I won't comment on stuff that doesn't work or that was not available during launch. I will comment on the very boring combat, lack luster quests, and horrible UI/controls. Its very grindy and not even close the the trailers it depicts. I was most disappointed in them from not living up to at least the standards we expect in MMOs these days. Played the beta and QQ'ed hard.