no, its more realistic if things were explained and taught through npc interactions and/or through quests. Almost every modern mmo released in the last 10 years got this point. it must be to far "ahead of it time" for you and SE.
Huh? FFXIV does this. Strange you didn't notice.
Maybe you'd like to break down the specific differences of exactly what your favorite MMORPG does versus FFXIV?
no i wouldnt. As I am 100% sure that you just wouldnt get it.
Im done with you, Novice. Ive decided to block you.
have a nice day.
Likewise. I took you off block the other day when I noticed it didn't stop you from grief mailing me. I see that was a mistake.
Really, blocking is a pretty good solution for anyone that's tired of looking at me. I wouldn't hold it against ya.
i figured you would edit, so I held of blocking you.
Id be very careful if I were you bringing Private conversations into a public thread. However since you have already eluded to "grief mailing" you could at lease be hoest about the situation. Yes I did reach out to you in private messages here on the boards in the attempt to understand the game and your seemingly blind to its faults dedication to it. I even tried to befriend you and offered to play alongside you ingame in the hopes that i could in some way understand your point of view. You shot me down at every turn though.
As for grief mail. if you feel that I griefed you please report me and allow the mods to decide.
Your argument that people don't "get" it is also flawed. It is shades of Shadowbane and Darkfall fanboys who would scream for hours "YOUR OPINION DOSEN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE GAME IS NOT FOR YOU AND YOU JUST DON'T GET IT." Its not that the reviewers and ex-players don't "get" it its that they don't "like" it. "get" in this case means "understand" we understand just fine. We just don't like it.
Seem to have missed the point. I'm not trying to argue you're wrong if you don't like the game. I'm just pointing out that, statistically, there seems to be an unusual correlation that either people will really like the game or they really won't like the game. About 2/3 reviews are negative, the remaining 1/3 are quite heavily positive, with very few in the middle.
Then when you look into the specific reasons outlined, it comes down to a difference of interpretation on a few core points. They either "get" what FFXIV does things the way it does on these points, or they don't.
I think many people "get" the game. They are giving it the negative review it has earned. I guess some of those who haven't got it are happy playing it.
Seem to have missed the point. I'm not trying to argue you're wrong if you don't like the game. I'm just pointing out that, statistically, it seems people either really like the game or they really don't. It suggests that it just won't "click" or be "gotten" by some people - about 2/3 of the people to try it, from the looks of it.
I think that you should completely re-word this thread title and that line to read "Final Fantasy XIV is a game that you either like or you don't". I'm pretty positive the people who don't care for it do "get it". They just don't like it. It's not as if people are somehow confused as to what they've been handed, but more that they're awed by just how badly it was implimented. Calling this game "ahead of its time" is amongst the most absurd of your claims in this forum thus far. "Ahead of its time" implies some sense of innovation and creativity that is somehow misunderstood due to its radical difference to the accepted norm. This simply isn't the case with FFXIV. It hasn't innovated or created anything fresh or new at all, and you're attempting to credit what are actually flaws in the game - which will likely be fixed - for making it somehow revolutionary.
I really don't feel comfortable doing that. Because, under closer examination, it seems to be game that you will like only if you get why it does many of the things the way it does, such as leaving information/direction out of immediate reach of the player.
So, you're essentially saying that absolutely no one who understands or "gets" this game, will not like it? That's a pretty obtuse statement. Good to know that 100% of the people who "get it" will be loving the game, though.
Originally posted by geldonyetich
Originally posted by TribeofOne
Originally posted by geldonyetich
This is pretty much exactly my point. Personally, I rather like that the game has this kind of inaccessibility, I don't think it to be poorly thought out but rather deliberate as to bring about a greater level fo immersion. However, could I convince you of this? No. You don't get "get" it. It doesn't "click" with you. There's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise... and yet, I'm not a lying spinmaster to say that this is a reason I like the game, believe it or not. Just call me a fanboy, it's easier.
wait.. you think its more immersive to have to seek in game info from out of game sources? sint that the opposite of immersion? /boggle
I'm sorry, are you trying to argue to me that it's more realistic that you'd have a database of info floating around you at all times if you lived in a medieval world?
It's sort of like saying you can't enjoy the view of the Grand Canyon unless you have a map of it open in front of you.
Whoa. So, playing your "medieval world" in a bordered windowpane is immersive, all while having a second monitor on which you watch these forums/look up info on the game? You yourself do have a database floating around you at all times, and a map in front of you at the Grand Canyon. You even go so far as to suggest in most of your posts as though this is how the game should be played by perpetually insisting that people not ask questions they haven't sought the answer for first. When don't you contradict yourself in some way or another?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
considering each servers has on average 2000-2500 playing is a "few" then colour me happy with a "few"
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
considering each servers has on average 2000-2500 playing is a "few" then colour me happy with a "few"
Isn't 2000 - 2500 really low? I thought servers usually held like 4-5k.
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
considering each servers has on average 2000-2500 playing is a "few" then colour me happy with a "few"
Yea, sure there are people that bought the game that are like "damn, this is boring but do I really want to have that 80 dollars go to waste?"
So of course, I did the same thing myself. Maybe this game will have a healthy population, but enough of the threads about why it does or does not suck.
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
considering each servers has on average 2000-2500 playing is a "few" then colour me happy with a "few"
Isn't 2000 - 2500 really low? I thought servers usually held like 4-5k.
Seriously guys; the population means jack right now while in the free month of CE/SE release. Of course, it's hard to ignore that the pop numbers have gone from the 3k's to the 2-2.5k's. It is, however, expected that people will play more when the game is fresh and new, so the drop thus far could largely be contributed to that. Either way, it'd be best to wait until the 22nd at least before drawing too many conclusions. By November, the numbers will begin to tell the tale.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
Your argument that people don't "get" it is also flawed. It is shades of Shadowbane and Darkfall fanboys who would scream for hours "YOUR OPINION DOSEN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE GAME IS NOT FOR YOU AND YOU JUST DON'T GET IT." Its not that the reviewers and ex-players don't "get" it its that they don't "like" it. "get" in this case means "understand" we understand just fine. We just don't like it.
Seem to have missed the point. I'm not trying to argue you're wrong if you don't like the game. I'm just pointing out that, statistically, there seems to be an unusual correlation that either people will really like the game or they really won't like the game. About 2/3 reviews are negative, the remaining 1/3 are quite heavily positive, with very few in the middle.
Then when you look into the specific reasons outlined, it comes down to a difference of interpretation on a few core points. They either "get" what FFXIV does things the way it does on these points, or they don't.
I get what they are intending to do, and what they have done. As do many ingame. The fact is, to many this game is purely unfun. Its fun for an nice play session(4 hrs and a few more) but then I am done for a day or two. Mind you I only run the occasional local(aka crafting) levequest. I have more enjoyment going out and hunting for shards I need and exploring. The problem with this game is this: Its a boring fucking world. I am in Gridania, I see marmots, I'm in Uldah, I see Marmots..I'm in Limsa..I see fucking Marmots. I've ventured far and wide, I've seen a few cool drakes, but they'd kick a group of 15's with 20 players. I've explored a large amount of the world that I can see on the map. It literally looks like 3 areas that look all the same.
That actually would be fine but give me a bit more variety which the game currently doesn't off, but hey the game has three amazing cities in their own right(I like the layout and design of all three) and the only area that has great looks outside of it is Limsa IMO. Its not about "getting" it, its about each persons enjoyment in it and I've decided I am not sticking with it for various reasons.
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
considering each servers has on average 2000-2500 playing is a "few" then colour me happy with a "few"
Isn't 2000 - 2500 really low? I thought servers usually held like 4-5k.
anythign beyond 2500 was pretty much locked for conjestion, and hell, my server before I quit WoW last year on WoW averaged at 1500 Horde, 500 Alliance (not saying WoW is dead, but that is the state of alot of servers.
2500 people in a game like this is more than enough..... the town is incredible busy, I cant go anywhere on these giant copy pasta maps without bumping into people. more than enough.
User Reviews: 30 positive, 64 negative, only 2 mixed.
Critic Reviews: 2 positive, 2 negative, zero mixed.
I can mirror this over on American Amazon: 29 reviews at 4 stars or greater. 53 reviews at 2 stars or less. Only 6 reviews in the middle. (This is mirrored somewhat in Europe amazon, but Japanese Amazon is far more negative.)
So this is turning out really interesting: It seems that, for most people, they'll either really like this game or they'll really hate this game. This extends even to the professional reviewers.
Though all agree that the game is in need of improvement, some have a perspective of looking forward and seeing that improvement is inevitable while others have the perspective of looking at the present and judging the game on its current faults.
Though all agree that the interface is generally ponderous, some have the perspective that you can work through this ponderousness and still enjoy the game, while others feel that the GUI is completely unacceptable.
Though all agree that the game does not make a lot of information/direction readily available to the player compared to most MMORPGs, some have the perspective that this makes the game a lot more interesting than ones that simply give you everything while others have the perspective that making the players work to get information/direction is generally unacceptable.
So, in the end, I think the conclusion is clear: Final Fantasy XIV is a game you either get or you don't. [Edited to remove last two sentences that caused excessive facepalming.]
Instead of "It's either a game that you get or you don't", try this one:
It's either a game people will buy or it isn't.
Now based on those reviews, if you were SE ( or any rational business person hoping to sell a product), which camp would you see as the biggest worry right now?
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Whoa. So, playing your "medieval world" in a bordered windowpane is immersive, all while having a second monitor on which you watch these forums/look up info on the game? You yourself do have a database floating around you at all times, and a map in front of you at the Grand Canyon. You even go so far as to suggest in most of your posts as though this is how the game should be played by perpetually insisting that people not ask questions they haven't sought the answer for first. When don't you contradict yourself in some way or another?
It's par for the course. When someone's sole intention is to defend the game of their choice by any means possible, they'll make any argument they have to - as long as it's defending the game. Such fanatically and blindly "protective" behavior will always lead to those people contradicting themselves at some point. It happened quite a lot in the pre-launch and post-launch weeks of DF. Some people were contradicting themselves in the course of a single thread.
Of course, when the contradiction is pointed out, the individual will once again spin it in some way to say "no, that's not what I said, you just didn't understand it".
As for Geld's OP, frankly... it reads more like he's trying to convince himself, more than he's tryin to explain it to anyone else.
That said, saying "people who don't like the game just don't get it" is the height of arrogance. People *do* get it, they just don't *like* what they're *getting*. It's not difficult to comprehend. But of course, someone like Geld who is determined to defend FFXIV at all cost is going to dismiss any criticism of the game any way he can. What better way to dismiss all criticism of it wholesale than to just decide that anyone who doesn't like it "doesn't get what SE is trying to do"? Of course it's BS. But to Geld... well... it seems to be an "ace card" of some sort.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Whoa. So, playing your "medieval world" in a bordered windowpane is immersive, all while having a second monitor on which you watch these forums/look up info on the game? You yourself do have a database floating around you at all times, and a map in front of you at the Grand Canyon. You even go so far as to suggest in most of your posts as though this is how the game should be played by perpetually insisting that people not ask questions they haven't sought the answer for first. When don't you contradict yourself in some way or another?
It's par for the course. When someone's sole intention is to defend the game of their choice by any means possible, they'll make any argument they have to - as long as it's defending the game. Such fanatically and blindly "protective" behavior will always lead to those people contradicting themselves at some point. It happened quite a lot in the pre-launch and post-launch weeks of DF. Some people were contradicting themselves in the course of a single thread.
Of course, when the contradiction is pointed out, the individual will once again spin it in some way to say "no, that's not what I said, you just didn't understand it".
Personally, I find the suggestion that because all games are played on a computer, and that computer may have a second monitor, that the game cannot have been made with design decisions that enhance immersion for some, to be a rather silly thing to say rife with spin. But hey, it's better to think I'm the spin master here.
Originally posted by WSIMike
As for Geld's OP, frankly... it reads more like he's trying to convince himself, more than he's tryin to explain it to anyone else.
That said, saying "people who don't like the game just don't get it" is the height of arrogance. People *do* get it, they just don't *like* what they're *getting*. It's not difficult to comprehend. But of course, someone like Geld who is determined to defend FFXIV at all cost is going to dismiss any criticism of the game any way he can. What better way to dismiss all criticism of it wholesale than to just decide that anyone who doesn't like it "doesn't get what SE is trying to do"? Of course it's BS. But to Geld... well... it seems to be an "ace card" of some sort.
Nah, not really, I'm not banking on convincing anyone of anything on an Internet forum. In my decades of using forums, I've been my experience that such a miracle as someone actually changing their mind about something seems to happen only once in a blue moon.
This is especially the case when I'm looking at a message like this, apparently written by one so hell-bent to hate the game that they twist my isolating an interesting pattern in the game's critical reception heavily suggesting that either it "clicks"/is "gotten" or isn't, as me being an arrogant prick suggesting if you don't get it you're a moron.
(Granted, that would be a very satisfying thing for me to imply, in a lowbrow sort of way. I even theorized along these lines in the past, as there's certainly a sliver of truth to say if a game is too hard for you to play because it doesn't meet you half way, but others feel there is no insurmountable difficulty, and you're both playing the same game, then it's logical to assume that the deficit may be your own. However, it's still not a very academically honest thing to say due to lack of demonstratable proof this is the case, and completely ignorant of subjective tastes, and so that's not at all what I intended to say here.)
In fact, I think I'll just let this thread stew and fizzle out on its own. If the mod wants to lock this thread, I'd appreciate it, because frankly I'm very disappointed I can't say such a simple thing without being so poorly misconstrued. Chalk it up to an audience mismatch, I suppose.
If you pay attention to my RAPTR profile, you're going to be noticing I'm playing LOTRO today. Please do me the good grace of not assuming it's because I've been trolling you all this time and really hate FFXIV. It's actually because my guildleves/fatigue is recycling in FFXIV and a buddy of mine wants me to play a bit with him.
It seems like the OP want people to troll/hate on FF14 just to create attention. After all the "Stop hating FF14" thread here it is wierd that the few fans who are left just try to feed the trolls by making ridiculos threads like this.
It is not innovation, it is nostalgia that make some people like the game.
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
In fact, I think I'll just let this thread stew and fizzle out on its own. If the mod wants to lock this thread, I'd appreciate it, because frankly I'm very disappointed I can't say such a simple thing without being so poorly misconstrued. Chalk it up to an audience mismatch, I suppose.
We all know you'll be back when that next "FFXIV sucks" thread pops up in the next few hours.
An audience mismatch? If it took you this long to realize that the community audience was almost unanimously against you, you must be blind. Judging by your posts, I believe you are.
Simply, stop, just stop it... I've seen a lot of your posts on the threads lately and I understand that you are a fan.
Meh. To see something like this, I don't think what I wrote was wrong, per se, but I may have chosen a really bad audience.
Yea, thats it, the "audience" on this site is bad, that really helps your concept of providing information of your positive experince playing the game. Come to the site to share that you think the players on this fourm do not "get it" whatever "it" is. Then to imply that the fourm populaton is somehow...unable to "get" the game experience are weak minded. Not that the game is bad, only the "audsience" on this site. Well no wonder the players on this fourm (and many others) have rated this game so....low. I only hope that the rest of the FFXIV population is a little less....into themselves as you. Obvioulsy, the game is good, it is just that so many people can not "get it."
Not that I agree with most of what you are saying, but that last sentence is way out of place.
What does any of that have to do with this game being ahead of it's time?
Simply put, when something is enjoyed by some but not enjoyed by everyone yet, it is often a sign of innovation at work.
Originally posted by jaxsundane
As it stands FF14 is a game that people seem to either love or hate the bad thing being is the heavy lean towards hate, for devs this is probably not going to be looked at as a good thing and others may try to avoid doing what they percieve SE to have done wrong with this game.
I will not deny that there is a higher tendency for the game to be hated than liked. However, the really interesting thing is that this isn't overwhelmingly so.
If the game was universally hated by all except wierdos, we'd be looking at something like 95% hate, maybe a few people rating it more charitables, only a few oddballs ranking it 5 stars.
Instead, it's more like 60-65% hate, 35-40% liking at a very high rating.
The professional critic reception heavily reinforces this. Even objective critical reception is extremely mixed.
That the servers have largely been full to capacity since release heavily reforces this as well.
A great deal of people find value in the game, not just a few wierdos. So it doesn't really matter if there's a higher tendency for people to hate than like it. The point remains solid that this is a game you either get it or you don't, the only thing the higher tendency indicates is for every 2 people that don't get it, 1 person would. If you get a 750k players to try the game, that 250k hang around isn't bad numbers at all.
I'n sorry mate but a 50-60% hate rating is stupidly high. That basically says that out of 100% of potential customers, more than half dislike your product and will not continue to use it. Half of your potential revenue gone...thats not good in anyones books.
I do agree with you in that this game is very much a love/hate style (as 11 was) but this dev team has made too many poor decisions trying to change things up and draw in new players.
This final fantasy wont crash and burn but neither will it be as solid as the old one.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
So basically you are saying FF14 is like Carrot Top. People either hate him (the majority) or love him. I guess this means Carrot Top is "innovative" as well >.>
Oh and self-selected reviews on Amazon as well critic scores mean nothing. People who feel strongly about a topic one way or another are much more prone to write about it that those who dont. Get some scientfically sampled survey reserch or don't throw around numbers as really they are highly likely to be outliers.
Also i fully agree with the above (a few pages back) poster replace the word "get it" with "like" and remove "innovation" as you have seemingly no theoretical or emperical backing for it. Alternately provide support for you choice of words here. However, using terms like the ones highlighted above which make it seem that those who like the game "get the innovation" makes those who dislike the game seem of lesser intellegence.. far from neutral diction choice.
And no I don't play FF14 (waiting 6 months to see hwo things look then).
Whoa. So, playing your "medieval world" in a bordered windowpane is immersive, all while having a second monitor on which you watch these forums/look up info on the game? You yourself do have a database floating around you at all times, and a map in front of you at the Grand Canyon. You even go so far as to suggest in most of your posts as though this is how the game should be played by perpetually insisting that people not ask questions they haven't sought the answer for first. When don't you contradict yourself in some way or another?
It's par for the course. When someone's sole intention is to defend the game of their choice by any means possible, they'll make any argument they have to - as long as it's defending the game. Such fanatically and blindly "protective" behavior will always lead to those people contradicting themselves at some point. It happened quite a lot in the pre-launch and post-launch weeks of DF. Some people were contradicting themselves in the course of a single thread.
Of course, when the contradiction is pointed out, the individual will once again spin it in some way to say "no, that's not what I said, you just didn't understand it".
Personally, I find the suggestion that because all games are played on a computer, and that computer may have a second monitor, that the game cannot have been made with design decisions that enhance immersion for some, to be a rather silly thing to say rife with spin. But hey, it's better to think I'm the spin master here.
Well, if the shoe fits... Given how much of your post history in these forums is filled with spin-doctoring and other such nonsense intended purely to defend the game against all criticism, I'd say it fits like a glove.
Hell, your suggestion that people who don't like FFXIV "don't get it" is pure apologist spin, plain and simple. It's also rather presumptuous and arrogant a remark to make.
Originally posted by WSIMike
As for Geld's OP, frankly... it reads more like he's trying to convince himself, more than he's tryin to explain it to anyone else.
That said, saying "people who don't like the game just don't get it" is the height of arrogance. People *do* get it, they just don't *like* what they're *getting*. It's not difficult to comprehend. But of course, someone like Geld who is determined to defend FFXIV at all cost is going to dismiss any criticism of the game any way he can. What better way to dismiss all criticism of it wholesale than to just decide that anyone who doesn't like it "doesn't get what SE is trying to do"? Of course it's BS. But to Geld... well... it seems to be an "ace card" of some sort.
Nah, not really, I'm not banking on convincing anyone of anything on an Internet forum. In my decades of using forums, I've been my experience that such a miracle as someone actually changing their mind about something seems to happen only once in a blue moon.
This is especially the case when I'm looking at a message like this, apparently written by one so hell-bent to hate the game that they twist my isolating an interesting pattern in the game's critical reception heavily suggesting that either it "clicks"/is "gotten" or isn't, as me being an arrogant prick suggesting if you don't get it you're a moron.
Again... if the shoe fits...
Should those who understand exactly what SE is doing but simply *don't like it* take it as a compliment when their views are dismissively described by someone like yourself that they "just don't get it"?
As for being hell-bent to hate the game? Heh... I'm sitting here looking at the Collector's Edition box sitting on a nearby table, which I pre-ordered as soon as they were made available. I played and stuck with the game since Alpha, and through all 3 betas, plus Open Beta. I tested consistently and submitted many bug reports in an effort to help SE make the game the best it could be at launch.
I was psyched as hell by what I saw in that time, because at the time my impression was that what we were seeing was merely a hint of things to come on release; just enough to test the game without spoiling all the other content to be added for retail. After all, Tanaka himself stated that what we saw in Beta was only about 20% of what would be in retail.
However, when retail did come around and I saw that the game was exactly what it was in Beta, only more of the same, yes... I was greatly disappointed.
I cancelled my account and am holding on to the game in hopes SE turns it around and improves it to be more in line with the kind of game I would expect them to make. FFXIV just ain't cutting it right now, in my opinion.
So, am I "hell bent on hating the game"? Not at all. Not sorry to crush your pet theory. Am I openly and vocally disappointed with it as it is right now? Absolutely.
It is possible to be hopeful of a game but still critical of it without being "hell-bent on hating it". It's even possible to like a game and still be critical of it. In that context, I'm sure as hell not going to be told by some random person on a forum that the reason I don't like the game is "because it's not clicking" or because "I don't get it".
What I'd *usually* say to someone in response to such an arrogant remark would certainly get me a warning here, so I'm refraining. Suffice to say... You don't know a thing about me, and your "theories" of what I may or may not "get", based on your obsessively fanboy-colored view of FFXIV, amounts to absolutely squat.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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i figured you would edit, so I held of blocking you.
Id be very careful if I were you bringing Private conversations into a public thread. However since you have already eluded to "grief mailing" you could at lease be hoest about the situation. Yes I did reach out to you in private messages here on the boards in the attempt to understand the game and your seemingly blind to its faults dedication to it. I even tried to befriend you and offered to play alongside you ingame in the hopes that i could in some way understand your point of view. You shot me down at every turn though.
As for grief mail. if you feel that I griefed you please report me and allow the mods to decide.
Dem hibbies! Dey be wrong!
Seem to have missed the point. I'm not trying to argue you're wrong if you don't like the game. I'm just pointing out that, statistically, there seems to be an unusual correlation that either people will really like the game or they really won't like the game. About 2/3 reviews are negative, the remaining 1/3 are quite heavily positive, with very few in the middle.
Then when you look into the specific reasons outlined, it comes down to a difference of interpretation on a few core points. They either "get" what FFXIV does things the way it does on these points, or they don't.
I think many people "get" the game. They are giving it the negative review it has earned. I guess some of those who haven't got it are happy playing it.
Text in red really did make me lol...
So, you're essentially saying that absolutely no one who understands or "gets" this game, will not like it? That's a pretty obtuse statement. Good to know that 100% of the people who "get it" will be loving the game, though.
Whoa. So, playing your "medieval world" in a bordered windowpane is immersive, all while having a second monitor on which you watch these forums/look up info on the game? You yourself do have a database floating around you at all times, and a map in front of you at the Grand Canyon. You even go so far as to suggest in most of your posts as though this is how the game should be played by perpetually insisting that people not ask questions they haven't sought the answer for first. When don't you contradict yourself in some way or another?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
I really do wish people would stop making excuses for this game. If it sucks it sucks, if it is boring it is boring. I guess there are a few people that may like it... not many.
I tried to enjoy it, now I can't even be bothered to log in. Crafting system was boring. The combat was ok, but then again it was slow as dirt. Only reason I liked the game was because of my sexy cat bitch..... Graphics are pretty nice , too.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
considering each servers has on average 2000-2500 playing is a "few" then colour me happy with a "few"
Isn't 2000 - 2500 really low? I thought servers usually held like 4-5k.
Yea, sure there are people that bought the game that are like "damn, this is boring but do I really want to have that 80 dollars go to waste?"
So of course, I did the same thing myself. Maybe this game will have a healthy population, but enough of the threads about why it does or does not suck.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Seriously guys; the population means jack right now while in the free month of CE/SE release. Of course, it's hard to ignore that the pop numbers have gone from the 3k's to the 2-2.5k's. It is, however, expected that people will play more when the game is fresh and new, so the drop thus far could largely be contributed to that. Either way, it'd be best to wait until the 22nd at least before drawing too many conclusions. By November, the numbers will begin to tell the tale.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
I get what they are intending to do, and what they have done. As do many ingame. The fact is, to many this game is purely unfun. Its fun for an nice play session(4 hrs and a few more) but then I am done for a day or two. Mind you I only run the occasional local(aka crafting) levequest. I have more enjoyment going out and hunting for shards I need and exploring. The problem with this game is this: Its a boring fucking world. I am in Gridania, I see marmots, I'm in Uldah, I see Marmots..I'm in Limsa..I see fucking Marmots. I've ventured far and wide, I've seen a few cool drakes, but they'd kick a group of 15's with 20 players. I've explored a large amount of the world that I can see on the map. It literally looks like 3 areas that look all the same.
That actually would be fine but give me a bit more variety which the game currently doesn't off, but hey the game has three amazing cities in their own right(I like the layout and design of all three) and the only area that has great looks outside of it is Limsa IMO. Its not about "getting" it, its about each persons enjoyment in it and I've decided I am not sticking with it for various reasons.
anythign beyond 2500 was pretty much locked for conjestion, and hell, my server before I quit WoW last year on WoW averaged at 1500 Horde, 500 Alliance (not saying WoW is dead, but that is the state of alot of servers.
2500 people in a game like this is more than enough..... the town is incredible busy, I cant go anywhere on these giant copy pasta maps without bumping into people. more than enough.
Instead of "It's either a game that you get or you don't", try this one:
It's either a game people will buy or it isn't.
Now based on those reviews, if you were SE ( or any rational business person hoping to sell a product), which camp would you see as the biggest worry right now?
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
It's par for the course. When someone's sole intention is to defend the game of their choice by any means possible, they'll make any argument they have to - as long as it's defending the game. Such fanatically and blindly "protective" behavior will always lead to those people contradicting themselves at some point. It happened quite a lot in the pre-launch and post-launch weeks of DF. Some people were contradicting themselves in the course of a single thread.
Of course, when the contradiction is pointed out, the individual will once again spin it in some way to say "no, that's not what I said, you just didn't understand it".
As for Geld's OP, frankly... it reads more like he's trying to convince himself, more than he's tryin to explain it to anyone else.
That said, saying "people who don't like the game just don't get it" is the height of arrogance. People *do* get it, they just don't *like* what they're *getting*. It's not difficult to comprehend. But of course, someone like Geld who is determined to defend FFXIV at all cost is going to dismiss any criticism of the game any way he can. What better way to dismiss all criticism of it wholesale than to just decide that anyone who doesn't like it "doesn't get what SE is trying to do"? Of course it's BS. But to Geld... well... it seems to be an "ace card" of some sort.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Personally, I find the suggestion that because all games are played on a computer, and that computer may have a second monitor, that the game cannot have been made with design decisions that enhance immersion for some, to be a rather silly thing to say rife with spin. But hey, it's better to think I'm the spin master here.
Nah, not really, I'm not banking on convincing anyone of anything on an Internet forum. In my decades of using forums, I've been my experience that such a miracle as someone actually changing their mind about something seems to happen only once in a blue moon.
This is especially the case when I'm looking at a message like this, apparently written by one so hell-bent to hate the game that they twist my isolating an interesting pattern in the game's critical reception heavily suggesting that either it "clicks"/is "gotten" or isn't, as me being an arrogant prick suggesting if you don't get it you're a moron.
(Granted, that would be a very satisfying thing for me to imply, in a lowbrow sort of way. I even theorized along these lines in the past, as there's certainly a sliver of truth to say if a game is too hard for you to play because it doesn't meet you half way, but others feel there is no insurmountable difficulty, and you're both playing the same game, then it's logical to assume that the deficit may be your own. However, it's still not a very academically honest thing to say due to lack of demonstratable proof this is the case, and completely ignorant of subjective tastes, and so that's not at all what I intended to say here.)
In fact, I think I'll just let this thread stew and fizzle out on its own. If the mod wants to lock this thread, I'd appreciate it, because frankly I'm very disappointed I can't say such a simple thing without being so poorly misconstrued. Chalk it up to an audience mismatch, I suppose.
If you pay attention to my RAPTR profile, you're going to be noticing I'm playing LOTRO today. Please do me the good grace of not assuming it's because I've been trolling you all this time and really hate FFXIV. It's actually because my guildleves/fatigue is recycling in FFXIV and a buddy of mine wants me to play a bit with him.
It seems like the OP want people to troll/hate on FF14 just to create attention. After all the "Stop hating FF14" thread here it is wierd that the few fans who are left just try to feed the trolls by making ridiculos threads like this.
It is not innovation, it is nostalgia that make some people like the game.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
geldonyetich uses <Attempted Insight> on FFXIV General Forum.
It's not very effective...
We all know you'll be back when that next "FFXIV sucks" thread pops up in the next few hours.
An audience mismatch? If it took you this long to realize that the community audience was almost unanimously against you, you must be blind. Judging by your posts, I believe you are.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Yea, thats it, the "audience" on this site is bad, that really helps your concept of providing information of your positive experince playing the game. Come to the site to share that you think the players on this fourm do not "get it" whatever "it" is. Then to imply that the fourm populaton is somehow...unable to "get" the game experience are weak minded. Not that the game is bad, only the "audsience" on this site. Well no wonder the players on this fourm (and many others) have rated this game so....low. I only hope that the rest of the FFXIV population is a little less....into themselves as you. Obvioulsy, the game is good, it is just that so many people can not "get it."
I'n sorry mate but a 50-60% hate rating is stupidly high. That basically says that out of 100% of potential customers, more than half dislike your product and will not continue to use it. Half of your potential revenue gone...thats not good in anyones books.
I do agree with you in that this game is very much a love/hate style (as 11 was) but this dev team has made too many poor decisions trying to change things up and draw in new players.
This final fantasy wont crash and burn but neither will it be as solid as the old one.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
So basically you are saying FF14 is like Carrot Top. People either hate him (the majority) or love him. I guess this means Carrot Top is "innovative" as well >.>
Oh and self-selected reviews on Amazon as well critic scores mean nothing. People who feel strongly about a topic one way or another are much more prone to write about it that those who dont. Get some scientfically sampled survey reserch or don't throw around numbers as really they are highly likely to be outliers.
Also i fully agree with the above (a few pages back) poster replace the word "get it" with "like" and remove "innovation" as you have seemingly no theoretical or emperical backing for it. Alternately provide support for you choice of words here. However, using terms like the ones highlighted above which make it seem that those who like the game "get the innovation" makes those who dislike the game seem of lesser intellegence.. far from neutral diction choice.
And no I don't play FF14 (waiting 6 months to see hwo things look then).
8 pages later, yet I think you've said all that needs to be said.
This thread is simply another attempt by the OP to discredit opinions that happen to differ from his own.
To the OP's credit, he's put more work into his endless FF defenses then SE did to build the damn game.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops