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Forget Matrix online and there giveaway
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ok...the Matrix online give-away account thing is a HUGE JOKE!
this has nothing to do with MMORPG.com or any of the many other sites given away accounts (this is not a exclusive give-away...everyone and there brother is doing it)
well.....i was very excited to get my account info..
i got my info from the GamerGod give-away today. As you can guess i rushed to fill out the info. when i got there they asked me for a username and password. Then got all my personal information (including address). then you agree to all the terms.then you think your ready to get a download link or your account info and BAM!!
"GIVE US YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION"
isn't this a test?
i got one thing to say to Matrix online "GO SCREW YOURSELF"
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there's a thread just two lines down from yours here:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/load/forums/loadforum/51/loadthread/29433/setstart/1/loadclass/35
Just refer any other comments to that thread (so we can keep them condense).
But, yes, I do agree with you. Requiring a credit card is an all new low for beta testing. Maybe they should have gotten some beta pointers from other companies first. That's like requiring you to give a car dealership your credit card number and loan to test drive a car.
If the game needed proof of your age...there are othr alternatives (such as a State or Country Driver's License number or Social or State ID....there are many others as well). It's pretty dirty if you ask me
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
agreed .. but i can sense a good marketing move behind this.. good for them of course... i think they are letting in only those people, who really have an CC and thus will be able to purchase and p2p for the game.. kind of they dont want to let players with no interest ( or maybe no way) to buy the game to test it
What?
Requiring a CC for beta isnt anything new. The MMO industry has been doing it for years.
They cant do identification by Social Security number, because companies are not allowed to request that information. Besides, Id rather give my cc number out instead of my Social or DL. If someone were to comprimise the system, Id rather lose a couple (refundable) bucks than my whole identity. And I would be wiling to bet that if any Beta anounced that you could sign up using a SSN, that hackers and identity theives would jump at the chance.
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Ive been beta testing for almost ten years and have never been asked for a credit card.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Ive been beta testing for almost ten years and have never been asked for a credit card.
I think the guy was talking about trial version.. where you of course need CC in almost every game
I agree, asking for a CC is a joke. I have the beta, but I will not test for that reason. And BTW, this is the first time a beta has asked for a CC in all I have tested- EQ2, Lineage 2, Planetside, Horizons.
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I dont care how long you have been beta testing. The fact still remains that MxO is not the first MMO to require a CC, so stop whining and pretending it is. They are doing ot for age verification and to test the billing system. If they say they wont charge you anything, and they do, they are in breach f contract, and you can rightfully take them to court, or just ask for your money back. Im sure the dev team has someone in charge of handling billing, and its pretty hard to accidently charge something to your card. They wont risk the publicity of purposefully charging your card.
In short, if you dont want to give them your CC #, then dont. And if thats the case, dont come on here bitching about how WB ruined your life.
Now with that being said, they should at least tell you that you need a CC on the registraton page. That would reduce the whining and the need to be having this pointless argumant.
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Im almost positive Neocron has asked for a CC since early beta. That was 2 years ago.
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Boycott any company asking its beta testers to provide a CC. That's absolute crap.
It doesn't matter if you care or not if I beta tested anything. I simply said that because out of all the games I beta tested, none of them asked for a credit card. That's the only reason why I mentioned it.
People aren't whining because they installed the game only to find out they needed a credit card in which they don't have. People are upset (and rightly so) because they're asking for a credit card for you to TEST their game. I mentioned this in the past..betas are slowly becoming a legitamate testing phase to a promo "demo" elite tryout phase.
Also, I beta tested Neocron and the second installment...they did not ask for a credit card
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I stopped reading after the first couple posts but they do not charge your credit card at all so what's the big deal? Well, if you do not have a credit card....
Buy one of those visa giftcards. They act just like a credit card. Problem solved. It may not be ian instant solution (as in able to play now) but it solves the problem and could potentially solve future issues as well.
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What the hell is wrong with you people???
Why would the companies behind Ubisoft ask you for your CC if they are not 100% sure you and they know exactly what is going on, they are NOT idiots.
They are NOT going to 'accidently' charge $100 to your CC to slurry the good name of thier company and to land a million dollar lawsuit.
If they asked you for a credit card and you are not happy with that, e-mail or post on thier forums and ask them why, im 99.9% sure you will get a response fully stating the reasons behind thier disision.
If not, im sure they will find someone else to play thier game.
it has nothing to do with mispricing, accidental charges, etc.
The main question at hand is, why do you need a credit card for the beta in the first place?
1. It is a fact that there are more people who are 18 and older in the U.S with Driver's License and I.D. cards than there are with Credit Cards. Pure marketing strategy would assume the bigger market should be those with Driver's Licenses and I.D cards versus Credit Cards.
2. Driver's License and State Issued I.D. cards have a numerical code to distinguish who is who. Also, there are programs that can recognize the user based on State/DL number. (which is cheaper than a standard Credit card program which charges the merchant for each validated process whether or not that actual card was charged any amount of money).
3. The usage of a Credit Card in the case of beta seems to be more of a marketing demographic one. They want to make sure those that can play the beta are financially capable of playing it once it is released to the general public. <--- Many have a problem with this issue. Because the point of beta is to test the game for bugs, exploits, and other errors rather than showcasing it to an audience who has credit cards.
I'm pretty sure the public knows how easy it is to obtain a Visa Gift Card, but that wasn't the point. This is the first time (yes, first time) that a game in it's beta phase requires a user to use a credit card. Some people would feel as if it is discrimination. Someone who is, say, 22 with a degree in computer programming can not beta the game if he or she does not posses a credit card, yet Alice Schoemaker the 18 year old Bathroom Cleaner from Uncle Joe's Subshop can beta it if she has a credit card and a winning entry.
That's the point that many are trying to make
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Testing is just that: testing.
If the purpose of a Beta Test is to provide the company valid playtest information, even if it's passive player experience and server load, the company should not require credit card authorization (even for a $0 charge) to do so.
What's unsaid, and unclear, but heavily implied is that they intend to start charging beta testers once the game goes live. In other words: if you are not careful, you will have an active account (probably with a 30 day trial period) when the game goes live...which will eventually mean charges will go through on the card.
That's the purpose of getting a credit card for trials. It's the same reason companies offer 30 day guarantees, gift cards, rebates, and trial periods: most consumers are lazy and will not cancel, ask for their refunds, redeem rebates, or use the full balance (if any portion) of a gift card.
I, for one, will not participate in seeing beta testing devolve completely into a marketing scheme...it already is such, but once money enters the equation it has lost all semblance of a test.
I have tested many MMOs and never has one of them asked for a Credit card number.
If they had asked I would have told them to shove it.
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Also, Enigma, some states issue driver's license numbers based off of what your SS number is, thus every citizen of said state typical has the same number for both; the social security number. Virginia has it, I have it. Other states use the same method. Asking for a credit card number for age verification purposes is vastly safer then asking for a SS or DL due to credit card fraud protection, lawsuit potential, and the numerous crimes that could be committed with the afforementioned SS numbers.
SWG did not require anyone to use a credit card
They made you pay $5 for the shipping and handling of the discs. However, there ways around SWG beta where you did not have to pay the $5.
However, a lot of people did complain about the $5 fee. However, many people got in free because when you paid the $5 you had one free buddy beta pass (which I didn't like either). So, about 30-50% of all SWG players did not have to pay that fee.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
True, but you do have an option to use a number other than your Social Secuity number. I lived in Fredericksburg, VA for about 10 years. Pennsylvania was the same way. You could opt for your SS number as your DL number or ask for another set of numbers.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Ok, I stand corrected. Sorry. Next time I will do more research before i go stick my foot in my mouth. Anyway, I guess I have a hard time seeing the issue from someone elses point of view, since I:
a. Have a debit card, and
b. keep track of all of my debit activity on a bi weekly basis
Sorry for stepping on a few toes. Maybe I need to step out side the box a little more on this issue.
My apologies,
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Me personally, I only use CC for emergencies. I am against any company that requires a CC for anything. CC give Big Brother (aka the goverment) too much control, to track, snoop, etc... on a person. I stand by the philosophy of the Founding Fathers, who all agreed with BF when he wrote "Goverment is evil. But a necessary evil."
If Matrix Online wants to try this new thing, let them. It is up to them to choose whatever controversies, mistakes, and actions.... that will hurt their game.
I do agree MxO should have made a prominate note on all their beta pages, giveaways, and sites, in big capital letters "CREDIT CARDS NEEDED IN ORDER TO ENTER BETA".
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Last item, I can see a valid point for requiring CC info. This way the game DEVs are more likely guaranteed to have all adult testers age 18+. Who tend to be more serious, future subscribers (like it or not the majority of mmorpg players are age 22-35), stay true to their beta test mission of finding and reporting bugs, errors, etc.... Keep out the kiddies looking for a free ride, free game to play for 1-4 months... who will dilute the restricted beta spots with a mission of just playing, hiding found bugs, etc... half of them not likely able to subscribe at release.
But in the end this will hurt MxO because:
1. Who were the main BULK of the audiance of the Matrix Movies? Males age 12-25. The game obviously is trying to ride on the coattails of the movies. Requiring a CC keeps away the buik of their target market.
2. The Matrix books 1-5 are known by maybe .05% of the population. From what I've found, the majority of readers of the Matrix books (which the movies are veeeery loooosly based on) are between age 30-45. Heck, each book costs between $50, $80, and $100 (USA)
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Sorry mate, I said SWG made you pay, I did not mention a credit card. The relevance comes when comparing the two highly controversial business descisions. Please apply comprehension before you start up your crusade to stomp out SWG-flaming.
Also, I don't counter the loopholes. I count what is official. Paying was official.
Frankly, if I wanted to start a stink about MxO, I would start a meaningful discussion concerning the recent court ruling in favor of a certain female screenwriter against the Wach. Brothers for severe coyright infringement concerning her concept for The Matrix. Something like that is going to kill the game sooner.