Sorry mate, I said SWG made you pay, I did not mention a credit card. The relevance comes when comparing the two highly controversial business descisions. Please apply comprehension before you start up your crusade to stomp out SWG-flaming.
There is no relevance between SWG and MxO. Again, SWG never required a CC to play Beta. When someone has your CC number, it allows them access to your finances in a way most people are unconfortable with. There were many SWG beta testers who were age 12-17. SWG also had free beta spots, free access to beta downloads. Yes some of the beta test phases had some beta testers pay $5 bucks for shipping and handling of the actual beta test CD. BUT:
1. Players who did pay for it had the option of Check, MO, Paypal, etc... etc... No CC was mandatory or required.
2. Players who did get into SWG beta could still download it off the internet for free. They just would not have the official SWG beta CD with the SWG pictures all over it.
Also, I don't counter the loopholes. I count what is official. Paying was official.
Let's go by what you count. Offically SWG did this:
1. Allowed anyone to play in their beta as long as they had access to any one of the roughly 100,000 beta CD-Keys.
2. Did not care how beta testers got the actual beta test game - paying 5 bucks for the CD, downloading it for free off the internet. No matter. The beta KEYS were issued to beta testers irreguardless of how they got copies of the beta test game.
3. On the old official SWG forums, many beta test winners posted how they got free copies of the SWG game. The fact that the SWG game DEVs did not ban them, kick them, means it was OK with SWG. Again, they did not care how anyone got copies of the game. The only way one could actually play it is with the game Key issued by the SWG game makers.
Frankly, if I wanted to start a stink about MxO, I would start a meaningful discussion concerning the recent court ruling in favor of a certain female screenwriter against the Wach. Brothers for severe coyright infringement concerning her concept for The Matrix. Something like that is going to kill the game sooner.
That has nothing to do with the Matrix MMORPG game. The W. brothers are not making the game. They have already made the movies. They have already made their profits. If they lose their court case to this woman you did not name, so what? The W. brothers will get sued and lose money. Not MxO. MxO is not being taken to court.
And I will tell you this much, whoever this woman is... absolutly did NOT come up with the idea of the Matrix. Maybe the movie screenplay, but not the Matrix books which the 3 movies are veeery loooosly based on. The 5th matrix book came out roughly 2 years ago. It costs $80.oo (USA) to buy. It was written by a guy, along with the previous 4 Matrix books.
Very interesting facts there, Xplororor, except you're still not entirely coorect.
People were only allowed to downlaod the game for free until only after a very late point in the beta test. I am very intimate with when that occurred because I myself was offerred a slot very early, but declined due to the fee for shipping. The registration page did not let you continue to sign-up if you denied payment and shipment of the cd.
The thousands upon thousands of peopel that were allowed into the beta test were not offerred keys until what I would consider the "open" phase of the beta. Roughly a month before it was released.
You yourself admit that at some point they did make people pay, why don't you come clean with how large a portion of the testing period that was?
Again, I don't care that you didn't need a credit card. As intelligent people we can compare the business decisions of one company to another and find relevance in that.
Also, on the Matrix front:
She already won the case, as I said. I do not speak her name because I can't remember the exact spelling from the article. You say she couldn't have thought of the Matrix because of some silly books released a few years ago? The details of the court case date back to 1981, when the Wach. Brothers conducted a search for new talent and she submitted her screenplay. The screenplay was copyrighted when she submitted it. This writing was found to be identical to the first movie in every way except for a few scenes the Brothers had seen fit to change in order to try and avoid infringement. There are numerous original documents and testimonials form WB eomployees(among others involved with the movie production) that create the foundation of truth for this case.
The relevance here is that the game advertises itself as the legitmate continuation of the Matrix storyline. If the brand-name is tainted by such corruption then it will hinder its ability to attract customers. In the worst-case scneario, it will lose its biggest advertising hook. You always act like such a business savy guy, I would have thought you would understand that?
Originally posted by tephys hmm...they ask for credit card info for a beta? That's suspect....
Yeah.. that is a bit strange for Beta. I could understand if the game was already in retail and this was a FREE Trial, but that game isn't even done yet. The game should be FREE to test. Of course SWG Beta you had to pay for it. It was like $7 and you had to use your CC. I wouldn't waste my time with Matrix Online. I heard the story was pretty good as it continues from where the 3rd movie left off, but the gameplay just looked bad. I'll keep an eye of their forum once the game is released to see what people are saying.
Originally posted by Parapsycho What? Requiring a CC for beta isnt anything new. The MMO industry has been doing it for years. They cant do identification by Social Security number, because companies are not allowed to request that information. Besides, Id rather give my cc number out instead of my Social or DL. If someone were to comprimise the system, Id rather lose a couple (refundable) bucks than my whole identity. And I would be wiling to bet that if any Beta anounced that you could sign up using a SSN, that hackers and identity theives would jump at the chance.
Sorry, but I don't want them to have any of that information, period. Definitely not in a beta game. Besides SWG, please name some other MMORPG games that have asked for your CC#? Good luck with that one.
i dont understand all the crying, ill just guess and say most of the crying is coming from younger gamers who dont have access to a cc, cuz if your crying otherwise, i dont see the problem
Originally posted by Parapsycho I dont care how long you have been beta testing. The fact still remains that MxO is not the first MMO to require a CC, so stop whining and pretending it is. They are doing ot for age verification and to test the billing system. If they say they wont charge you anything, and they do, they are in breach f contract, and you can rightfully take them to court, or just ask for your money back. Im sure the dev team has someone in charge of handling billing, and its pretty hard to accidently charge something to your card. They wont risk the publicity of purposefully charging your card. In short, if you dont want to give them your CC #, then dont. And if thats the case, dont come on here bitching about how WB ruined your life. Now with that being said, they should at least tell you that you need a CC on the registraton page. That would reduce the whining and the need to be having this pointless argumant. Auto Assault Outpost The first Auto Assault Fan Site News, Forums, Articles, Chat, and more
I think you're confused. We are talking about BETA TESTING and not FREE TRIAL or RETAIL. As I've said before, I can't think of ANY MMORPG that has asked for a CC#$ during BETA TESTIG, except for SWG. You have yet to list any that have. So please stop spouting false statements or at least provide some PROOF to back up your words. Nuff said.
Originally posted by Xavon What the hell is wrong with you people??? Why would the companies behind Ubisoft ask you for your CC if they are not 100% sure you and they know exactly what is going on, they are NOT idiots. They are NOT going to 'accidently' charge $100 to your CC to slurry the good name of thier company and to land a million dollar lawsuit. If they asked you for a credit card and you are not happy with that, e-mail or post on thier forums and ask them why, im 99.9% sure you will get a response fully stating the reasons behind thier disision. If not, im sure they will find someone else to play thier game.
Well, we figure they won't charge us and if that's the case, why do they need a CC#? I think that's the point people are trying to make. People are taking the time to test their game. The only thing they should need is mailing address, phone# and e-mail address.
Originally posted by En1Gma SWG did not require anyone to use a credit card They made you pay $5 for the shipping and handling of the discs. However, there ways around SWG beta where you did not have to pay the $5. However, a lot of people did complain about the $5 fee. However, many people got in free because when you paid the $5 you had one free buddy beta pass (which I didn't like either). So, about 30-50% of all SWG players did not have to pay that fee.
True.. buy I still had to pay something to get the Beta CD's and I had to use a CC#.
Originally posted by digitydarkman i dont understand all the crying, ill just guess and say most of the crying is coming from younger gamers who dont have access to a cc, cuz if your crying otherwise, i dont see the problem
I, personally don't have a problem with it. I don't plan on beta testing the game anyway. I don't think people are complaining. They are just curious as to why you need a CC# just to Beta Test a game, that's all. I paid to beta SWG, so it's really not a big deal to me. I think they may want to snuff out immature kids trying to play and have mostly adults in the Beta who will take the testing seriously. That's the only reason I can think of. Can anyone else think of a reason?
i am in doubt wheter i will beta test this game, i was looking forward to it but just strange that they didn't say it before you entered contest (i am 20 so a cc is no problem, i even use my parent's)
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Usually when there is a contest, I would immediately signup. However, for this one, I pass. The concept on making a mmorpg out of a movie is crazy. Recently, games that made out of movie was either buggy and bad game play. I doubt make the Matrix online would be any different from the other movie based games.
I could of sworn I had to enter my CC# when I won the "Last week Open-beta for EQ2". I entered it, got a free account, it even said it would not charge me, so I was able to play EQ2 for free for a week until it was launched the week after.
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That has nothing to do with the Matrix MMORPG game. The W. brothers are not making the game. They have already made the movies. They have already made their profits. If they lose their court case to this woman you did not name, so what? The W. brothers will get sued and lose money. Not MxO. MxO is not being taken to court.
And I will tell you this much, whoever this woman is... absolutly did NOT come up with the idea of the Matrix. Maybe the movie screenplay, but not the Matrix books which the 3 movies are veeery loooosly based on. The 5th matrix book came out roughly 2 years ago. It costs $80.oo (USA) to buy. It was written by a guy, along with the previous 4 Matrix books.
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Very interesting facts there, Xplororor, except you're still not entirely coorect.
People were only allowed to downlaod the game for free until only after a very late point in the beta test. I am very intimate with when that occurred because I myself was offerred a slot very early, but declined due to the fee for shipping. The registration page did not let you continue to sign-up if you denied payment and shipment of the cd.
The thousands upon thousands of peopel that were allowed into the beta test were not offerred keys until what I would consider the "open" phase of the beta. Roughly a month before it was released.
You yourself admit that at some point they did make people pay, why don't you come clean with how large a portion of the testing period that was?
Again, I don't care that you didn't need a credit card. As intelligent people we can compare the business decisions of one company to another and find relevance in that.
Also, on the Matrix front:
She already won the case, as I said. I do not speak her name because I can't remember the exact spelling from the article. You say she couldn't have thought of the Matrix because of some silly books released a few years ago? The details of the court case date back to 1981, when the Wach. Brothers conducted a search for new talent and she submitted her screenplay. The screenplay was copyrighted when she submitted it. This writing was found to be identical to the first movie in every way except for a few scenes the Brothers had seen fit to change in order to try and avoid infringement. There are numerous original documents and testimonials form WB eomployees(among others involved with the movie production) that create the foundation of truth for this case.
The relevance here is that the game advertises itself as the legitmate continuation of the Matrix storyline. If the brand-name is tainted by such corruption then it will hinder its ability to attract customers. In the worst-case scneario, it will lose its biggest advertising hook. You always act like such a business savy guy, I would have thought you would understand that?
to hell with MXO!
Yeah.. that is a bit strange for Beta. I could understand if the game was already in retail and this was a FREE Trial, but that game isn't even done yet. The game should be FREE to test. Of course SWG Beta you had to pay for it. It was like $7 and you had to use your CC. I wouldn't waste my time with Matrix Online. I heard the story was pretty good as it continues from where the 3rd movie left off, but the gameplay just looked bad. I'll keep an eye of their forum once the game is released to see what people are saying.
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i dont understand all the crying, ill just guess and say most of the crying is coming from younger gamers who dont have access to a cc, cuz if your crying otherwise, i dont see the problem
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A credit card was needed to enter Second Life beta.
I'm sure there are other beta that asked for your CC simply to test the payment system and checking that you are 18 at the same time.
I don't understand what is the big deal, maybe 5 years ago when everybody feared using a CC online but now it's no big deal.
I could of sworn I had to enter my CC# when I won the "Last week Open-beta for EQ2". I entered it, got a free account, it even said it would not charge me, so I was able to play EQ2 for free for a week until it was launched the week after.
It's a security to make sure kids don't Enter The Matrix (pun intended)
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