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Ok, I give in. The game is not right. I quit!
holdenhamlet
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I've defended this game based on it's cool crafting system and gave it a chance for a couple weeks to work out the battle problems, but SE is really nowhere to be found. When they do say they read fansites, they say they are reading good things about the game. I really don't know how they can say that.
I played the game casually so it took me longer to hit "the wall" than others, the wall being the point where you realize that you will de doing the same thing in the same zones for the next 3 months basically, only it will be progressively more difficult as you go.
Simple things like no search functionality for foliage for weaver on Botany- there's really no way to find mats you need for this job unless you just stumble upon them (the search only works for trees). Or like how there's airship docks that aren't being used. I'm not upset that we can't use them, but am more thinking that in a month or two or 6 or whatever when they're put in, I'm STILL going to be going to these same 3 zones?
At this point I can't really level my weaving without the cotton bolls which someone apparently didn't realize should be locatable. If I level CON or THA solo, I get rare skillups on laggy spellcasts. I would be fine with leveling in groups, but the lfg functionality is way worse than FFXI and partying is just messy and usually about spamming basic attacks to get the most skillups. It's really quite bad.
Anyway, even as a casual player, these issues have caught up to me and I just have no motivation to log in.
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It's understandable. At one point people need to accept the fact they aren't playing the game because they like it, they are playing the game because they invested money in it and they don't want to waste it.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
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They must be reading 2-3 posters here that continually defend the game and accuse gamespot of being hacked when they put out there bad review and ignoring everything else.
I'm guessing they have special glasses, or they have their secretary come in and call out when they hit a good post all the while calling out "i can't see you" as the bad posts scroll past.
AAAAARRRRGHAAAAAAA!!!
*Beats himself with lead pipe, then smashes his head against a wall before stopping from jumping out a window, only to grab his Final Fantasy XIV screaming at it madly.... THEN proceeds to jump out a 7th story window.*
Well, I was enjoying it, but I was giving SE a large benefit of doubt.
I can hang with games that are complicated and time-intensive because there is some master plan that is unfolding, and that's what I thought was going on. But things like not making the mats for a major craft searchable and sticking everyone in the same area and having no AH, over time, these things have started to look less like part of some master plan and more like just some kind of collosal mix-up of conflicting ideas for the game.
Fortunately, many of these issues are being addressed.. supposedly. You do have your account still so if you see the game taking a better direction you can return at any time. No worse for wear, yes?
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"Wow thank you professor tails for that insight into why I play XIV and not the other 396 MMO's out there, 3 of which I have ongoing subscriptions to.
Yes... indeed. It must be the money. That $13 a month is just too heavy an investment to walk away from. I wish! that I could play WoW or whatever piece of junk you are playing, alas I am forever debted to Square Enix forced to stay behind with the thousands of other people on my server who are in the same boat, playing 24/7, at max server capacity all day, every day.
Woe is us. Free us brilliant forum trolls!"
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It was not my intention to lump everyone into this generalization when I stated it. I apologize if you took it incorrectly, but I feel I did no wrong here. It was simply easier to use the term "people" rather than directly pick out niches and so-forth. I also wasn't directing that comment at any one game. This applies to virtually any MMORPG on the market; not just FFXIV. I was under the impression that people would understand what my post was directed at. I also think it is quite uncalled for to call me a troll, especially since I am not trolling (For once - Also, I'm a fox =P).
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Some people sometimes lie about playing the game, some also lie about buying it...
But that's some people...
I love Final Fantasy, I even like FFXIII (cheesy and bad tasting as it was)
This... FFXIV... I play for 3 weeks straight from collectors edition..
I do not want.
In fact I will sell my used FFXIV collectors edition to any goob still stuck on the game for 80 bucks.
There you like it sooo much, you may buy my sloppy seconds.
Patch to fix the markets is incoming on the 15th. Waiting 2 more days might not hurt to see if that fixes the problems you are having with crafting. It may not end up fixing anything after all, but thats what this weeks patch is supposed to do anyways.
`Shark
Sorry to hear about your experience, but you shouldn't try to force yourself to like what you can't like. Please do submit some final feedback as a boon to those still playing. (see http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/294778/An-earnest-suggestion-to-SE.html for possible ideas). Hope you do drop by Eorzea again from time to time. Maybe things will have changed for the better.
Unless they got a patch that repairs battle autolock, or allows me to see people on the screen at all times... I dunno think it would help.
AH would be a tiny start... a very tiny small life raft for this sinking titanic...
By all means, if you bored of the game, stop playing it. Self-flaggelation isn't the point of entertainment. I will, however, point out a few things:
Simple things like no search functionality for foliage for weaver on Botany- there's really no way to find mats you need for this job unless you just stumble upon them (the search only works for trees) [...] I can't really level my weaving without the cotton bolls which someone apparently didn't realize should be locatable.
I'm surprised you're having trouble with this since they're just immobile patches of ground. Just make a note of then when you find them and come back to those same patches from time to time. You'll stumble across a lot of them in exploring, they're not super hard to find.
Or like how there's airship docks that aren't being used. I'm not upset that we can't use them [...]
The developers put that in there for a future expansion option. I wouldn't hold it against them for having foresight.
[...] but am more thinking that in a month or two or 6 or whatever when they're put in, I'm STILL going to be going to these same 3 zones?
There's already four (4) zones, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more zones opening up soon.
I'll not disagree with any of the rest, though I'm not sure exactly if you're complaining about the random skillups or the lagginess with THM/CON.
(A pre-emptive, "stop flaming and get some fresh air" to anyone who wants to point out how much a fanboy I am for showing up on threads that have something bad to say about the game and having something positive to say.)
Sorry to see ya go man. Its understandable, I too dont care for the secondary gather nodes not being located by the skills. But I view it more like gathering in WoW or any other game, in those, you have to remember where you found them to go back again to get them another day. Sure, over time, you would memorize where everything is and then it feels like its so much better, but finding your black lotus is no easy task there either, even when you alrdy remember where it spawns.
As for the cotton, I gave up on harvesting for it, especially once I realized it dropped better than harvested. I can pick up 4-5 stacks in a couple hours of killing fungar and flies, and thats reliably.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/item.html?ffxivitem=10005203#Dropped_By
But even with that I can see how it can beomce tedious if your not spreading out to other options and other things along the way. I too would probably be bored already if I was trying to dedicate to only two combat classes and a main craft. I've had several LS leaders tell me I need to dedicate to only one and push it higher so I can help the group more, but I just can't justify ruining my fun in the game to benefit those who have no desire to craft on thier own. But thats another issue all by itself, thats a playstyle thing there, some just like to progress and follow a plan even if it means turning a game into a job.
Point is, I dont believe anyone should ever play any game where it comes a chore. It should always be for fun, if its not fun anymore than even I will look for another game to play that is. This is why I usually have 2-3 games on tap all the time, I play each for a coupel months until I start to lose the edge on fun, and then roll over to the next. I have been doing this for the last 5 years. Its not that games that are bad, its my own interest levels change as time goes on, and even the best game will bore me in time.
Its like rearanging your living room furnature every couple of months, sometimes the change makes it look that much better. Its still the same furnature you bought 4 years ago, but its new to you all over again. MMORPGs are the same to me, I'm sure in 3-4 months this game will start to lose its edge and I'll roll back to one of my other games again. 6-8 months later though I'm sure I'll be right back on another hop and it will once again feel all new and shiney to me. Hopefully this is what you do, maybe it will look better on another hop someday...until then though - catch you on the flip!
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I'm actually quite shocked. You are/were a very ardent defender of this game on these forums.
All I can say is that, if you're lucky, these problems will be fixed by PS3 release. Unfortunately, they could still screw that up because there isn't any MMO competition on PS3, even though that would be ridiculous because they'd need more than box sales to succeed.
I played a Ranger in EverQuest, and let me tell you how much the ranger community raged at Brad McQuaid before it was cool for Vanguard fanbois to rage at Brad McQuaid. That drug addicted hack never listened to reason. Oh, Brad McQualuude had a vision alright, but it was hardly about anything involving a game. It's pretty saddening to realize that a company supplying a product fails to listen to its customer base, which is the sole purpose of the company's existence. It's kind of like the first time you finally sleep with a girl you were really crazy about. You're laying in bed spooning, it's all dark and quiet, and you're thinking to yourself, "Man this is awesome! I'm crazy about this girl and now we're together!" Next thing you know, you're spilling your guts out to her saying things you've never told people, like how your favorite family moment was watching Sex and the City with your mom, and that you cried watching that episode of ER with Ray Liotta where he won an emmy for playing a dying drunk. Finally, you're about to tell her about your crowning achievement as a 9 year old; you were at your grandparents house during spring break and you BEAT THE SECOND LEVEL OF BATTLETOADS ON 8-BIT NINTENDO AND THEY SHOULD BE SO DAMN PROUD OF THEIR GRANDSON BECAUSE NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY, GETS PAST THAT LEVEL OF BATTLETOADS! Maybe it was level 3. I can't remember.
Anyway it's been 10 minutes and you're about to mention the Battletoads thing when she starts a bit and says "did you say something?" SHANNON WHY WEREN'T YOU LISTENING OMG MY HEART BE BROKEN!?!? I don't really know how else to put it, but if a company listened to its customer base we wouldn't have 4E Dungeons & Dragons. I would also probably still be dating Angela because that listening thing was a 2 way street...she was always talking about music and how the Velvet Underground revolutionized Punk and why Blondie was her hero. It would have worked out better if she didn't keep trying to talk over Basil Pouledoris' musical score of Conan the Barbarian when it was my turn to play a CD while driving in the car. Women are just weird like that.
Anyway, it's the holidays so you have plenty of non-mmo choices to play. If that's your thing. Fallout: New Vegas, Minecraft, and Battlefield: Bad Company 2(yes I know, it's not new) should be plenty of fun for me. Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"
Try playing as a pugilist and can't find a damn rank 9 weapon because the recipe for it requires a rank 20 crafted part.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
All reasonable and well said guys.
I guess that's a better way of putting it. Just hard to see so many good ideas wrapped in a pretty package and put in an empty box.
Lol I quit to... a week ago. FFXIV for the lose!
welcome to the club holdenhamlet. your Tshirt and membership card are in the mail.
Sorry OP i had to search your posting history since i am new to forums. I am surprised and saddened since you were very much into the game. However i understand the frustration and reason behind your quitting. However, i completely disagree that tomorrows patch will solve market problem. its just a band aid on current system nothing more.
UI and market system are the two biggest issues which killing this game right now. Today i spent 4 hrs looking for one freakin mat for my carpenter saw and found nothing. I gave up and shut down the game in disgust. Whats the point really? its too much like work and i already have 9 hours job. i log in game to have fun not click on endless retainers to find one bloody mat.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Actually, there are 5 zones currently exist.
I will.
It's a dumbass move to have non-working content right in front of people to act as a glowing reminder that there is a lot missing in this supposedly release ready mmorpg.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
So when WoW released and you weren't allowed to get a mount until you hit level 40, and nobody hit 40 for the first 2 months at least, that was just cool right? I mean you could see it sure, but you couldnt' have it. How do you know the Airships aren't there rigth now, but you need to finish your level 40 story chain quest before you can use them? You dont do you? You'ld rather just claim the game is unfinished because you dont know what is there or isnt there, what is planned or isnt planned. Thats smart.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
In order of dots-
1. Those immobile patches of ground look identical to the thousands of other immobile patches of ground. The only thing that signifies if I can harvest is if it has little sparkly things on it. I'd agree with what you're saying except all the other crafts have abilities to direct you to active nodes (these are basically the only abilities you get as a gatherer). Why have them in the game at all if it's so easy to find active nodes?
They made foliage to be a secondary gathering ability like quarry is for mining. But an entire craft depends exclusively on things coming from foliage. There isn't an entire craft that gets all it's mats from quarrying. It's clearly just not thought through. It's like one person in the team didn't talk to the other or something.
2 + 3. No, you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying by the time the airships will be active, I don't want to be coming back to the same 3 zones. I feel I've already spent too much time in them already at like 2 or 3 weeks.
They aren't extremely close to cities either, so the main reason for them being there has to be future mid-high level content. That means more of the same zones for months on end.
The only possible explanation for limiting so much of the game to 3 zones that use repetative landmass structure is because of harddrive space issues on the ps3. That's the only one that makes sense anyway, but it still really sucks. FFXI had tons of zones, even before Zilgart.
As for your THA/CON comments, spell casting has gotten a bit better but the progress bar doesn't match at all what's going on so there's no point in having a progress bar, and I still get total non-fires on spells (no doubt due to the same thing that's affecting the UI lag- too many people around stuffed together in small areas).
Offensive spells still default on me if I had just done a cure resulting in wasted time and usually a frustrating death. You shouldn't even be able to target yourself with a nuke. Simple things like that pile up to get really annoying. Also, battles as a mage are nuke fast and to oblivion or die, which is fine by me but you don't get proportianate skillup chances. Again, it just wasn't properly thought through, obviously.
I'd like to skillup in a party if it wasn't just a boring spam-fest of everyone hitting their quickest attacks to get the most skill points. Coordination doesn't even pay off the way the system is set up now. That's assuming you can get a party using the very poor LFG system. They had a really great lfg tool in ffxi, it just makes no sense why they would revert to one that basically requires you to coordinate beforehand and then join rather than set yourself up to be available to anybody.
Like I said, I was fine with all of this when I believed there was a method to the madness. I've just seen too much to believe that anymore. The game is just not made right. I suspect more than anything just poor Dev teamwork and coordination. Didn't they have 3 different teams working on the project in three different parts of the world? Maybe that explains a lot of it.
Because as you say, in WoW you KNEW you could get on and ride at level 40. That means the content was there, or else Blizzard would have said "Mounts aren't in yet.". But that's the difference between Blizzard and SE. Not only did Blizzard have a HELL of a lot more content alive, well, and WORKING in WoW at release ( and this was their FIRST mmorpg ) than FXIV has, but they also talked, and still talk, to their damn customers.
It's a hell of a difference knowing something works and you just don't meet the requirement, than it is to see something and all you know is it doesn't work.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Huh?
The game is far from 'right' that's for sure.
It seems through every stage of development, those crazy Japs sat in a room cackling going 'How Can We Make This The Most Senselessly Complicated Experience Possible?" at least I'll assume that was their goal, cause if so, they hit the mark for sure!
But see, to me, the problem isn't so much the crap interface, impossible crafting, bland zones, impossible lag... It is the constant crashing of the software. I have a PC most people would kill for in terms of specs, I've played every major MMO, lots of other Misc technically demanding games, never an issue. FFXIV comes along, I'll crash every 5 minutes. Maybe every 5 hours. Maybe immediately when logging into the game. Hell, there's no logic to it. The only constant I can cling to, if I pick up a Guildleve, head to the magic talking crystal, take said quest, and get half way through it.. GUARANTEED the game will crash. Killing the quest to where I get to wait 30-some hours to attempt it again.
So, to me, I could almost live with all the games flaws (and there are numerous).. but the inability to actually play the game is the detriment for me.
I am currently in a position where I'm forcing myself to play (or attempt to play) simply due to false hope of some miracle the game won't be trash next time I log in. Sadly, and this really is sad, Square screwed up. And even if 6 months down the line, the game miraculously takes a turn for the better, just hope there are still people playing.
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
Ok look, I was there in WoW Beta, I was there at WoW launch, I was there for the entire time until abotu 6 months ago when the commnuity finally out-wieghed the fun factor and I left. Your content, the one pair of metal shoulders, the one pair of leather shoulders, the one pair of cloth shoulders, this is what you had at launch. They added in the basics, and I mean basics and added more as time went by. If you were truely there you would know this. And yes Blizzard talked to thier customers up front, mostly the entire first month was 'We appologize for..." and gave us credits for game time lost.
Your problem with FFXIV is the same most people have, you just dont know. You dont know what they are planning, you dont know how everything works, you dont know what the stats mean, what the ranks means, what the....you get the idea. If they told you all the little details you could tweak and twink and you'ld be all happy and glowing. But you dont, and thats why you dont like this game, because you can't give yourself an edge and figure out how to compete against everyone else. No sense of accomplishement for you, at least not one you can measure and prove.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)