If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
Hmm, well if I don't succeed I usually start by checking out stuff on the net. I check for tips, check my build, gear and what things to use (this after trying for a while without any hand holding of course).
If that doesn't work either I talk to some buddy with more experience for tips and maybe ream up with him for a while.
I guess if that would fail too I would either avoid that part of the game or find something else, but doing something a lot together with tips from other players and the net is usually enough, and in worst case watch others do the thing you want to do.
Of course can't everybody be as good as eachother but you can get a lot better. Don't give up after a few times but keep at it, you will at least improve.
Ok, i just read a bit of the OP ...but this is a troll right?
He's saying he couldn't play as a Bright Wizard in WAR? Even with couching?
The class played alone...
Nice trolling.
I killed bright wizards all the time in WAR. Overpowered in WAR didn't necessarily mean invulnerable.
If you don't keep your distance as a bright wizard, you'll die easily.
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
I once tried playing a sorcerer in a raid in Vanguard. Bad idea. Sorcerer is top dps class in Vanguard, but I was like in the middle of the dps or something. Ugh.
Two things you've identified are speed of twitch skills and gear grind. Have you tried EVE? It does not take terribly long to get the top 'gear' for many roles (getting the ship and parts for multiple roles is what keeps some people going). And combat is about tough and strategic, but not particularly fast decisions.
Are you serious? This guy posts a long rant about how pissed off he is that he keeps getting the fact that other people are better than him at video games rubbed in his face and you direct him to EVE of all games? Seriously?
Mate, that's just mean.
lolz truth
mainly because this is fact, you will never beable to get more skills than someone ahead of you so long as they train skills.
No, not for that reason. That reason is false, because EVE skills are capped at level 5 and once you've trained a skill to 5 you're as good as you can possibly be. And there is a strictly finite number of skills that can apply in any given situation.
The reason is that player skill, knowledge and experience has a whole lot to do with succeeding in EVE, and advantages are ruthlessly employed at a level that most games dont permit - and that's where this guy is weak. If it was just about skillpoints, he could sell a couple hundred bucks worth of timecards and buy himself some win. But that doesn't work in EVE.
You can't suck at MMO, you're intelligent and you know how to articulate yourself.
MMO are very very simple games.
You did point out that some players have a lot more time than you do, which means that those games are focused on time commitments rather than strategy or skill. Maybe try another game where time isn't the determining factor.
When a MMO gets hard I take time out and learn what I'm doing wrong and ask people and myself what can be done better? I'm not the type that gives up so easily.
For others when a MMO is too difficult they play WOW to get their "I win button fix"
Sounds like you're playing for the wrong reasons. You're playing because you want to win and "be somebody" rather than out of love for the game. It's okay, a lot of people have this problem.
Here's the deal: We've all been taught that everyone has one special, magical gift / talent / skill that we are just naturally better at than everyone else and all we have to do is find it and never ending joy, happiness, success, sexual potency, etc., will fall from the heavens like rose petals at our feet. Unfortunately, that's complete bullshit. No one is naturally good at anything. We may have a natural interest that pushed us to put more time and energy into a particular task or subject than other people, but we don't just wake up one day as savant maestros in this or that activity. Believe it or don't, there was even a time when LeBron James couldn't sink a basket. Sure, he was probably still in diapers at the time, but that doesn't make it any less true.
I absolutely suck ass at both Chess and Go. I still love the holy hell out of both games though and play them regularly. Yes, I lose alot. But I also sometimes win. The rush of winning is great, but so is the rush of making my oponent work for a victory. Getting mated in three move (yes, I know that's impossible), or losing by 70+ points in a 9X9 game of Go may be disheartening, but the games themselves are compelling enough that I don't care.
In other words, lighten up and remember that winning isn't everything.
... Unless you have money riding on it or something.
Sigh, wish I could do that. Truth is, I HATE losing. I vividly passionately hate losing. Probably because I usually have great self-doubt already I tend to get down by such things. If my life was rich, full of pleasures and love, it would likely matter little. But since it isnt and I find myself on the lower side in games just AGAIN... it irks the living hell outta me.
Why do MMOs have to be designed like this? That it is, in the end, again based on your skill and not the characters? That better people get better things? Why can't we all just get the same for trying OUR PERSONAL best? What more can you expect of a person that he does what he can, and value that?
(And why am I even asking that... shoot. I need a cake now...)
I don't know people are competetive. hell even RL pinkos like me want to win and out-do others in a game.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
Ok, some gut feeling tells me it is unwise to write such a post. I am sure the next 2 years people will link it in every possible post against me time and again.... So what.
I suck at MMO gaming.
There. I said it. Quote me if you feel more "king" then. When I play MMOs, you can tell me a 1000 times "don't compare yourself", but by and large every single MMO has a lot contributed to me feeling second best, or rather 50th best or what you want. Yes I know there are always the large plethora of people telling you "this is easy" or "you just must get into it" or whatever. The fact is, in every single measure I found myself behind people, and the more competitve the more behind.
Recent and last example, Dynasty Warriors Online. I play DW for 12 or what years, and so I felt I should have a good chance against other players. But the reality I found was, that the vast majority of players I met on the battle field are making their combos SO MUCH faster I wasn't able to land a single blow on most of them. So after 2 days of experimenting I made a heartbreaking farwell to myself, since I liked the DW series. (Yeah, bad taste prolly... but we all have our weakenesses.)
And it brought back memories. Memories of me trying SWG PVP, my first PVP, where I never was really getting unto anything. Or Warhammer... good riddance. I shot a fireball or two with my Bright Mage, but I never ended anywhere than in the lowest quarter of the rating, even with 2 months of PVPer coaching me and then biting into cathedrals for wasting their time on me. Or Champions Online... GOD don't even start about CO or I burst into tears of frustration so bad was my PVP time there. I really experimented with 20 or so different PVP builds just hoping to find SOME setup to give my playstyle an advantage, to no avail. I never tried to hard and long to succeed as in CO to somehow learn or adapt or whatever. Nothing. After months of training and trying I never got out of that lowest rating in PVP matches there either.
So you say, ok don't PVP. Well first off, knowing I am a sucker and running away from PVP doesn't really feel like a solution. Maybe I am a masochist always coming back for more, who knows. Kinda self-punishment disability, but seeing how FAST and GOOD some people are... or rather MOST other I meet is just a pain. And in PVE... it isn't really much better. It always was the ENDLESS frustration in EQ2 and LOTRO in the time I played it, that everyone else had WAY more than I had. They had grinded through those raid and whatnot zones for their Golden Unicorn Mounts, their Three Level Estate, their Excalibur Superswords, the Flying SuperWyvern and Odins Own Armour. Where I always stood with my simple horse, my mediocre group loot armour and my 2 room house. Now matter how long I played, I always ended up standing around in the 3rd or 4th best type of gear around rich, powerful and uber equipped Superplayers.
You know. I am SICK AND TIRED of it. Sometimes I wonder why I even go to a game like a MMO which so obviously shoves my sucktasm into my face. Some times I try again, I hope, I work as hard as I can, many hours a day, but like in the story with rabbit and turtle (or whatever it was) the others are always better, faster, more equipped and generally wiping the floor with me.
Maybe I go play BINGO in some pensionaires club... *sigh*
/self-rant over
Seriously. I think there is something fundamentally WRONG with MMOs. They reward people who play like maniacs. People who grind games 8 hours a day and train games like it were work. They put you into a position of greed, envy, looking down on others and legion of quite unhealthy character traits. Like rewarding people for grinding 20000 faction from centaur killing. Or whatever it is. I mean isn't it mmoRPGs? Where is the RPG in that? Where is that ANYWHERE near what PnP games are like, where roleplay matters and more contribution like just how many thousand centaurs I killed to get that Flying Golden Dragon? I mean, we love our hobby. But when fail and time allow you to look at MMOs *for real*... maybe you see how many unhealthy and bad habits these games are all too often built on, and I wonder if the new generation's MMOs like GW2 or SWTOR finally really take this feeling away, that the others are the real evil of a game.
I wonder. Or maybe I am just a sukker. Who knows.
LIke it or not, MMOs are to some extent modeled on the real world. And in the real world, there is always someone better than you, faster than you, richer than you, smarter than you, better look than you and with more stuff than you. It's about being happy with the result you get out of the effort you get.
You say yourself that playtime isn't a big deal - that no matter how much you play, you still don't get any better at it.
There are always people in game with more stuff than I have and better than I have. Honestly, the only thing it does is inspire me to get better. Or, if it's something that requires me to drastically change my play habits or to group with a bunch of unpleasant people or whatever, then i don't envy that person. I think to myself "Yeah, that guy has badass sword from contested dragon, but that guy also has to sleep with a phone and get up in the middle of the night to kill that dragon with a bunch of people who's guts he hates." I don't want to do that. So i don't envy what the guy had to do to get it. I also consider that if i ever wanted to get more involved and to do that, the option is there for me, so there is always room to go up. Which is nice to have, even if i don't take it.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
Two things you've identified are speed of twitch skills and gear grind. Have you tried EVE? It does not take terribly long to get the top 'gear' for many roles (getting the ship and parts for multiple roles is what keeps some people going). And combat is about tough and strategic, but not particularly fast decisions.
Are you serious? This guy posts a long rant about how pissed off he is that he keeps getting the fact that other people are better than him at video games rubbed in his face and you direct him to EVE of all games? Seriously?
Mate, that's just mean.
lolz truth
mainly because this is fact, you will never beable to get more skills than someone ahead of you so long as they train skills.
No, not for that reason. That reason is false, because EVE skills are capped at level 5 and once you've trained a skill to 5 you're as good as you can possibly be. And there is a strictly finite number of skills that can apply in any given situation.
The reason is that player skill, knowledge and experience has a whole lot to do with succeeding in EVE, and advantages are ruthlessly employed at a level that most games dont permit - and that's where this guy is weak. If it was just about skillpoints, he could sell a couple hundred bucks worth of timecards and buy himself some win. But that doesn't work in EVE.
Okay, maybe you two are right and I shouldn't suggest EVE. But i'm not trying to be mean. From OP's writing, I am thinking he's an intelligent person and pays attention to detail, but has trouble with fast twitch skills and gear/skill grind (which baddog already addressed).
Eve takes a lot of knowledge and experience yes, but you don't have to move that fast, or click buttons that fast, just move the right way and click the right buttons.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
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Are you currently playing any MMO's right now?
If so, which one?
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
Ok, i just read a bit of the OP ...but this is a troll right?
He's saying he couldn't play as a Bright Wizard in WAR? Even with couching?
The class played alone...
Nice trolling.
Hmm, well if I don't succeed I usually start by checking out stuff on the net. I check for tips, check my build, gear and what things to use (this after trying for a while without any hand holding of course).
If that doesn't work either I talk to some buddy with more experience for tips and maybe ream up with him for a while.
I guess if that would fail too I would either avoid that part of the game or find something else, but doing something a lot together with tips from other players and the net is usually enough, and in worst case watch others do the thing you want to do.
Of course can't everybody be as good as eachother but you can get a lot better. Don't give up after a few times but keep at it, you will at least improve.
Good luck.
I killed bright wizards all the time in WAR. Overpowered in WAR didn't necessarily mean invulnerable.
If you don't keep your distance as a bright wizard, you'll die easily.
If being a developer means being quiet, mature, well-spoken, and disconnected from the community, then by all means do me a favor and believe I'm not one.
I suck too.
I once tried playing a sorcerer in a raid in Vanguard. Bad idea. Sorcerer is top dps class in Vanguard, but I was like in the middle of the dps or something. Ugh.
Worst part is, I dont know why.
I think I'm a fairly good healer, though.
No, not for that reason. That reason is false, because EVE skills are capped at level 5 and once you've trained a skill to 5 you're as good as you can possibly be. And there is a strictly finite number of skills that can apply in any given situation.
The reason is that player skill, knowledge and experience has a whole lot to do with succeeding in EVE, and advantages are ruthlessly employed at a level that most games dont permit - and that's where this guy is weak. If it was just about skillpoints, he could sell a couple hundred bucks worth of timecards and buy himself some win. But that doesn't work in EVE.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
@OP
You can't suck at MMO, you're intelligent and you know how to articulate yourself.
MMO are very very simple games.
You did point out that some players have a lot more time than you do, which means that those games are focused on time commitments rather than strategy or skill. Maybe try another game where time isn't the determining factor.
Collector's editions are scams.
When a MMO gets hard I take time out and learn what I'm doing wrong and ask people and myself what can be done better? I'm not the type that gives up so easily.
For others when a MMO is too difficult they play WOW to get their "I win button fix"
I don't know people are competetive. hell even RL pinkos like me want to win and out-do others in a game.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
LIke it or not, MMOs are to some extent modeled on the real world. And in the real world, there is always someone better than you, faster than you, richer than you, smarter than you, better look than you and with more stuff than you. It's about being happy with the result you get out of the effort you get.
You say yourself that playtime isn't a big deal - that no matter how much you play, you still don't get any better at it.
There are always people in game with more stuff than I have and better than I have. Honestly, the only thing it does is inspire me to get better. Or, if it's something that requires me to drastically change my play habits or to group with a bunch of unpleasant people or whatever, then i don't envy that person. I think to myself "Yeah, that guy has badass sword from contested dragon, but that guy also has to sleep with a phone and get up in the middle of the night to kill that dragon with a bunch of people who's guts he hates." I don't want to do that. So i don't envy what the guy had to do to get it. I also consider that if i ever wanted to get more involved and to do that, the option is there for me, so there is always room to go up. Which is nice to have, even if i don't take it.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
Okay, maybe you two are right and I shouldn't suggest EVE. But i'm not trying to be mean. From OP's writing, I am thinking he's an intelligent person and pays attention to detail, but has trouble with fast twitch skills and gear/skill grind (which baddog already addressed).
Eve takes a lot of knowledge and experience yes, but you don't have to move that fast, or click buttons that fast, just move the right way and click the right buttons.
"Never met a pack of humans that were any different. Look at the idiots that get elected every couple of years. You really consider those guys more mature than us? The only difference between us and them is, when they gank some noobs and take their stuff, the noobs actually die." - Madimorga
Play WoW.
HAHHAAHAHHA that was too funny. I had to =P