Way back in the golden days of EQ people used to camp the Eastern Karana zone. One camp was a cyclops. There were wolves, snakes, spiders, and the occasional evil-eye one could camp. The evil-eye liked to charm people, and you could kill someone if they were charmed. So a camp moves in right next to us. Now, this was just disrespectful, because the zone was big enough to support plenty of camps elsewhere. So, when they pulled the evil-eye, and charmed one of their members my partner and I killed him.
Another time I got a little too creative was at the giant fort in Frontier Mtns. I don't remember what this particular group did to piss me off, but I logged off and logged back into my high level enchanter. I found a Sarnak Knight(which was one of the toughest mobs in the zone) charmed him, hasted him, runed him, ran over to the group and camped. I came back with my other toon, and they entire party was dead.
I had gone back to try the NGE with free time that had stacked up on my account. Being an elder Jedi got old fast so I gave being a blue ghost spy a shot. Flat out griefing people in the combat zones was amusing for a while.
People would funnel into and out of them to get rewards. Apparently, they were not use to having people out there to mess with them. You can catch a lot of people solo if you want.
One guy came in on a jet pack… I popped that he started talking trash. While he was heading down to the lower levels, I ran around converting the stations and then ran down below. I do not know why he did not try to flip any back or if he realized he should after trying to leave but I was able to get the lower one done. I got up top and saw a destroyed bark speeder and this guy running.
Once the NPC’s stopped following him he stopped and called up his lava skiff that also popped he talked some trash and kept running. I followed him for what felt like forever; in stealthy he was a little faster than I was. I caught up to him right after he deployed his station to call in his X wing to fly away. I really wish I could have popped that X wing but I was able to attack and kill him before he got on it.
A new thread suggestion - no criticizing of other peoples' evilness.
As for my stories, I typed them out here, then replied to a different thread, then clicked "reply" in this thread and mmorpg.com told me I can't post twice in a 6 second period. So my stories were lost.
A new thread suggestion - no criticizing of other peoples' evilness.
As for my stories, I typed them out here, then replied to a different thread, then clicked "reply" in this thread and mmorpg.com told me I can't post twice in a 6 second period. So my stories were lost.
Too bad.
Sounds like you were a victim of mmorpg.com's evilness!
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
4) My psychobabble probably arises from me being a practising psychiatrist with 18 years of clinical experience.
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I lol'ed. Whatever you say, buddy.
Anyway, on the topic at hand, it's fascinating to me the disparity between different game cultures when it comes to things like theft. Ganking's ganking, but that's nobody's big highlight unless they do it in a particularly nasty or unusual way. [Nice work on the evil eye, btw; I'd forgotten all about those things.] I can't help but wonder, though, if I would have gotten the same nasty replies if I had simply said "corp" instead of "guild" in the original story. Alas, no way to find out.
I'd also ask, for those of us who are being honest--does the anonymity make an impact in your virtual moral compass, or is it something else? For me in a lot of respects I think it's mostly the virtual-ness of it. I'd like to hope, as a general rule, everybody would be a little nicer if our real identities were attached, (and to me that's nowhere near enough reason to break anonymity), but I'm not sure if that bleeds into the kinds of things that draw the real opprobrium from the community. E.g., if my name were attached to my characters, I can think of a dozen times I've talked down to people in-game or just been a total jerk--and those I would almost certainly do differently--at least bring them back to the kind of jabs I'm making in this thread, for example. But the thefts? No, I'd still have done those.
Edit: Might as well come out and ask it since it stems from my remarks: Are there evil things that you would do in one game and not in another (assuming it's possible in both games)? Why?
Anyway, on the topic at hand, it's fascinating to me the disparity between different game cultures when it comes to things like theft. Ganking's ganking, but that's nobody's big highlight unless they do it in a particularly nasty or unusual way. [Nice work on the evil eye, btw; I'd forgotten all about those things.] I can't help but wonder, though, if I would have gotten the same nasty replies if I had simply said "corp" instead of "guild" in the original story. Alas, no way to find out.
It wouldn't have changed my opinion. Doubt it would have for many others. In fact, I'm willing to bet some of the reason people reacted that way to your post is they may have been involved in someone doing that to their guild, corp, kin, - whatever flavor of the day is used in the game being referenced.
I just didn't go into detail about it because frankly that isn't what this topic was meant for and I've been guilty of some pretty dick moves in my life outside of video games. So I'm not about to get into a morality or ethical debate on what people do in games when I don't have a lot of room to talk.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I once staged an elaborate plan to teleport our guild leader to the bottom of the ocean in WoW, far enough away so his ghost would die of fatigue if he tried to get to it
It worked!
But that was more general bigotry to repay his own.
I can't really tell what tbh, sticking around ledges in order to knock people off with spells was pretty evil, so was staging mob trains to kill people.
But it was always in good laughs... well ... for some...
I never did scams or so though.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
@ WickedJelly - --Fair enough. As I said, I've got my faults as well, and I would never expect to get any resolution on something as complicated as ethics by talking to people on a gaming forum on the internet, but it makes for interesting conversation. I appreciate the consistency though.
Edit: Trains! Man I miss those. Good times. Karnor's anyone?
I was paid once in EVE to bankrupt another Corp. So I Moved to their System, acted newbish (at over 3 years old, this should have told them something) and waited for them to invite me. They did, really nice people (which made me actually feel bad). We started building up the corp etc
Once they made me a full-up partner I was nearly ready. However I waited because the dud got about a dozen people to put in about 10 to 100 mil a piece to seed the Corp for shipmaking. It was then that I drained just shy of 1 billion Isk from the corp wallet (some of which was my own contribution) and loaded a indy 5 full of as much tech as i could get into it's hold (we didn't have frieghters yet).
I was paid another 500 Mil upon completion once the Corp disbanded (was a member of a very famous and hated Alliance, that's all I will say), which it did shortly after a lot of pleading and threats. They mostly Rage quit.
So I traded my gaming soul for almost 2 billion in Isk and Items. I took off from the game for about 8 months, to let people forget me and to forget how crappy I felt.
OK, i totally made all of that up....lol....I've not really done anything evil and I just felt left out. I did wait once in WoW to kill someone who was almost dead after a PvE fight, but thats because he did the same to me earlier!
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
4) My psychobabble probably arises from me being a practising psychiatrist with 18 years of clinical experience.
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I lol'ed. Whatever you say, buddy.
Anyway, on the topic at hand, it's fascinating to me the disparity between different game cultures when it comes to things like theft. Ganking's ganking, but that's nobody's big highlight unless they do it in a particularly nasty or unusual way. [Nice work on the evil eye, btw; I'd forgotten all about those things.] I can't help but wonder, though, if I would have gotten the same nasty replies if I had simply said "corp" instead of "guild" in the original story. Alas, no way to find out.
I'd also ask, for those of us who are being honest--does the anonymity make an impact in your virtual moral compass, or is it something else? For me in a lot of respects I think it's mostly the virtual-ness of it. I'd like to hope, as a general rule, everybody would be a little nicer if our real identities were attached, (and to me that's nowhere near enough reason to break anonymity), but I'm not sure if that bleeds into the kinds of things that draw the real opprobrium from the community. E.g., if my name were attached to my characters, I can think of a dozen times I've talked down to people in-game or just been a total jerk--and those I would almost certainly do differently--at least bring them back to the kind of jabs I'm making in this thread, for example. But the thefts? No, I'd still have done those.
Edit: Might as well come out and ask it since it stems from my remarks: Are there evil things that you would do in one game and not in another (assuming it's possible in both games)? Why?I
I also lolled when you mentioned being married. Let me guess, her name is Slave and she lives tied in your cellar. The one where you keep your parents bones and from where you play. And you learned Law while you were doing time in San Quintin. As a matter of fact, you ve probably got a nasty surprise for that incompetent lawman who bungled you defense and got you thrown there. Youve also got a couple of nice tattoos with biblical quotes all around your body.
Look sonny, you can give all the lines of shit you want about moral compasses and anonimity. If you befriend someone just in order to steal from him, you are an asshole. i do hope that , if you are really a lawyer, you treat your clients with a bit more loyalty than you show your friends.
4) My psychobabble probably arises from me being a practising psychiatrist with 18 years of clinical experience.
I also lolled when you mentioned being married. Let me guess, her name is Slave and she lives tied in your cellar. The one where you keep your parents bones and from where you play. And you learned Law while you were doing time in San Quintin. As a matter of fact, you ve probably got a nasty surprise for that incompetent lawman who bungled you defense and got you thrown there. Youve also got a couple of nice tattoos with biblical quotes all around your body.
Look sonny, you can give all the lines of shit you want about moral compasses and anonimity. If you befriend someone just in order to steal from him, you are an asshole. i do hope that , if you are really a lawyer, you treat your clients with a bit more loyalty than you show your friends.
My simpathies to Slave
It's hard for me to imagine a practicing psychiatrist that doesn't understand grammar or spelling. Is it, like, animal psychiatry or something?
4) My psychobabble probably arises from me being a practising psychiatrist with 18 years of clinical experience.
I also lolled when you mentioned being married. Let me guess, her name is Slave and she lives tied in your cellar. The one where you keep your parents bones and from where you play. And you learned Law while you were doing time in San Quintin. As a matter of fact, you ve probably got a nasty surprise for that incompetent lawman who bungled you defense and got you thrown there. Youve also got a couple of nice tattoos with biblical quotes all around your body.
Look sonny, you can give all the lines of shit you want about moral compasses and anonimity. If you befriend someone just in order to steal from him, you are an asshole. i do hope that , if you are really a lawyer, you treat your clients with a bit more loyalty than you show your friends.
My simpathies to Slave
It's hard for me to imagine a practicing psychiatrist that doesn't understand grammar or spelling. Is it, like, animal psychiatry or something?
English is not my native language. I dont practice animal psychiatry , but i can look for someone else to treat you if youre really that desperate.
I corpse camped a guy in WoW for about an hour until I was banned for a month lol. It was his fault, that's what he gets for sneak attacking me from behind after I get done soloing elites with ~15% hp left.
i lured a guy (or 100) to the zammy altar in runescape. when you take the wine all the monks attack you and unless you're really fast or lvl 50+ you won't live. he dropped 100k cash. i felt bad a few days later and quit doing that kinda stuff.
Back in 2003 in Lineage2 we were killing bosses during the Halloween event(I knew we would wipe), so we head off north of Gludia(town) to kill a skeleton boss, 1 minute later everyone gets raped except me and some other fellow, when you die you have a pretty big chance of dropping equipped/unequipped items, other rogue chick that died drops her manticore boots(A pair that is needed to complete the set, they used to be rare and expensive).
So I picked the pair up, and exited the game. Logged back one hour later and told the chick's best friend I had sold them for a good amount of cash and laughed. It soon became my favorite past-time. so I re-rolled to become a plainswalker for the fakedeath skill and started training mobs unto people to grab their gear, made over 10million adena's(cash) doing that.
I re-deemed myself by doing it on bots 60% of the time. Those were the good times...
Stole the guildmaster's girlfriend. He should have never let her post her pic on the guild forum/let it out that she worked part-time for Go Daddy. Lesson learned.
in WoW Catalysm they got these rats that on death they explode this AE plague. So.. I had a little fun for a bit standing away and exploding these rats as people passed. Would be great on catalysm release to get unknowledgable people, but I'm not too WoW-thrilled right now.
Originally posted by Capnmurphy Stole the guildmaster's girlfriend. He should have never let her post her pic on the guild forum/let it out that she worked part-time for Go Daddy. Lesson learned.
Remember kids, if she cheats WITH you... she'll cheat WITH someone else eventually. You are not a special and unique snowflake, a cheat ... is a cheat.
Stole the guildmaster's girlfriend. He should have never let her post her pic on the guild forum/let it out that she worked part-time for Go Daddy. Lesson learned.
Remember kids, if she cheats WITH you... she'll cheat WITH someone else eventually. You are not a special and unique snowflake, a cheat ... is a cheat.
truth! wasn't lookin to keep said prize, though, so everything turned out just fine
I never have done evil in a MMO, unless the RPG story required it so. But evil towards NPCs doesn't really count I guess. But even then. I recall after I played Planescape Torment the good way I wanted to replay evil for the sake of seeing other things, but I couldn't. Even tho it were just pixel mobs, I just could not be mean to them and finished it. Call me a carebear, but that's how it is.
So no, I haven't done anything evil in a MMO to a player.
Reading this thread I feel like seeking a new hobby... how and why people do that to other gamers is entirely beyond me.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Stole the guildmaster's girlfriend. He should have never let her post her pic on the guild forum/let it out that she worked part-time for Go Daddy. Lesson learned.
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Way back in the golden days of EQ people used to camp the Eastern Karana zone. One camp was a cyclops. There were wolves, snakes, spiders, and the occasional evil-eye one could camp. The evil-eye liked to charm people, and you could kill someone if they were charmed. So a camp moves in right next to us. Now, this was just disrespectful, because the zone was big enough to support plenty of camps elsewhere. So, when they pulled the evil-eye, and charmed one of their members my partner and I killed him.
Another time I got a little too creative was at the giant fort in Frontier Mtns. I don't remember what this particular group did to piss me off, but I logged off and logged back into my high level enchanter. I found a Sarnak Knight(which was one of the toughest mobs in the zone) charmed him, hasted him, runed him, ran over to the group and camped. I came back with my other toon, and they entire party was dead.
I had gone back to try the NGE with free time that had stacked up on my account. Being an elder Jedi got old fast so I gave being a blue ghost spy a shot. Flat out griefing people in the combat zones was amusing for a while.
People would funnel into and out of them to get rewards. Apparently, they were not use to having people out there to mess with them. You can catch a lot of people solo if you want.
One guy came in on a jet pack… I popped that he started talking trash. While he was heading down to the lower levels, I ran around converting the stations and then ran down below. I do not know why he did not try to flip any back or if he realized he should after trying to leave but I was able to get the lower one done. I got up top and saw a destroyed bark speeder and this guy running.
Once the NPC’s stopped following him he stopped and called up his lava skiff that also popped he talked some trash and kept running. I followed him for what felt like forever; in stealthy he was a little faster than I was. I caught up to him right after he deployed his station to call in his X wing to fly away. I really wish I could have popped that X wing but I was able to attack and kill him before he got on it.
A new thread suggestion - no criticizing of other peoples' evilness.
As for my stories, I typed them out here, then replied to a different thread, then clicked "reply" in this thread and mmorpg.com told me I can't post twice in a 6 second period. So my stories were lost.
Too bad.
Sounds like you were a victim of mmorpg.com's evilness!
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
corp theft in eve several bil took 3 dif corps befor i retired
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I lol'ed. Whatever you say, buddy.
Anyway, on the topic at hand, it's fascinating to me the disparity between different game cultures when it comes to things like theft. Ganking's ganking, but that's nobody's big highlight unless they do it in a particularly nasty or unusual way. [Nice work on the evil eye, btw; I'd forgotten all about those things.] I can't help but wonder, though, if I would have gotten the same nasty replies if I had simply said "corp" instead of "guild" in the original story. Alas, no way to find out.
I'd also ask, for those of us who are being honest--does the anonymity make an impact in your virtual moral compass, or is it something else? For me in a lot of respects I think it's mostly the virtual-ness of it. I'd like to hope, as a general rule, everybody would be a little nicer if our real identities were attached, (and to me that's nowhere near enough reason to break anonymity), but I'm not sure if that bleeds into the kinds of things that draw the real opprobrium from the community. E.g., if my name were attached to my characters, I can think of a dozen times I've talked down to people in-game or just been a total jerk--and those I would almost certainly do differently--at least bring them back to the kind of jabs I'm making in this thread, for example. But the thefts? No, I'd still have done those.
Edit: Might as well come out and ask it since it stems from my remarks: Are there evil things that you would do in one game and not in another (assuming it's possible in both games)? Why?
Peace and safety.
It wouldn't have changed my opinion. Doubt it would have for many others. In fact, I'm willing to bet some of the reason people reacted that way to your post is they may have been involved in someone doing that to their guild, corp, kin, - whatever flavor of the day is used in the game being referenced.
I just didn't go into detail about it because frankly that isn't what this topic was meant for and I've been guilty of some pretty dick moves in my life outside of video games. So I'm not about to get into a morality or ethical debate on what people do in games when I don't have a lot of room to talk.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I once staged an elaborate plan to teleport our guild leader to the bottom of the ocean in WoW, far enough away so his ghost would die of fatigue if he tried to get to it
It worked!
But that was more general bigotry to repay his own.
I can't really tell what tbh, sticking around ledges in order to knock people off with spells was pretty evil, so was staging mob trains to kill people.
But it was always in good laughs... well ... for some...
I never did scams or so though.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
@ WickedJelly - --Fair enough. As I said, I've got my faults as well, and I would never expect to get any resolution on something as complicated as ethics by talking to people on a gaming forum on the internet, but it makes for interesting conversation. I appreciate the consistency though.
Edit: Trains! Man I miss those. Good times. Karnor's anyone?
Peace and safety.
I was paid once in EVE to bankrupt another Corp. So I Moved to their System, acted newbish (at over 3 years old, this should have told them something) and waited for them to invite me. They did, really nice people (which made me actually feel bad). We started building up the corp etc
Once they made me a full-up partner I was nearly ready. However I waited because the dud got about a dozen people to put in about 10 to 100 mil a piece to seed the Corp for shipmaking. It was then that I drained just shy of 1 billion Isk from the corp wallet (some of which was my own contribution) and loaded a indy 5 full of as much tech as i could get into it's hold (we didn't have frieghters yet).
I was paid another 500 Mil upon completion once the Corp disbanded (was a member of a very famous and hated Alliance, that's all I will say), which it did shortly after a lot of pleading and threats. They mostly Rage quit.
So I traded my gaming soul for almost 2 billion in Isk and Items. I took off from the game for about 8 months, to let people forget me and to forget how crappy I felt.
OK, i totally made all of that up....lol....I've not really done anything evil and I just felt left out. I did wait once in WoW to kill someone who was almost dead after a PvE fight, but thats because he did the same to me earlier!
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
I also lolled when you mentioned being married. Let me guess, her name is Slave and she lives tied in your cellar. The one where you keep your parents bones and from where you play. And you learned Law while you were doing time in San Quintin. As a matter of fact, you ve probably got a nasty surprise for that incompetent lawman who bungled you defense and got you thrown there. Youve also got a couple of nice tattoos with biblical quotes all around your body.
Look sonny, you can give all the lines of shit you want about moral compasses and anonimity. If you befriend someone just in order to steal from him, you are an asshole. i do hope that , if you are really a lawyer, you treat your clients with a bit more loyalty than you show your friends.
My simpathies to Slave
It's hard for me to imagine a practicing psychiatrist that doesn't understand grammar or spelling. Is it, like, animal psychiatry or something?
English is not my native language. I dont practice animal psychiatry , but i can look for someone else to treat you if youre really that desperate.
EvE Online players have figured long ago that PvP isn't just shooting each other.
Social engineering FTW!
I corpse camped a guy in WoW for about an hour until I was banned for a month lol. It was his fault, that's what he gets for sneak attacking me from behind after I get done soloing elites with ~15% hp left.
i lured a guy (or 100) to the zammy altar in runescape. when you take the wine all the monks attack you and unless you're really fast or lvl 50+ you won't live. he dropped 100k cash. i felt bad a few days later and quit doing that kinda stuff.
Back in 2003 in Lineage2 we were killing bosses during the Halloween event(I knew we would wipe), so we head off north of Gludia(town) to kill a skeleton boss, 1 minute later everyone gets raped except me and some other fellow, when you die you have a pretty big chance of dropping equipped/unequipped items, other rogue chick that died drops her manticore boots(A pair that is needed to complete the set, they used to be rare and expensive).
So I picked the pair up, and exited the game. Logged back one hour later and told the chick's best friend I had sold them for a good amount of cash and laughed. It soon became my favorite past-time. so I re-rolled to become a plainswalker for the fakedeath skill and started training mobs unto people to grab their gear, made over 10million adena's(cash) doing that.
I re-deemed myself by doing it on bots 60% of the time. Those were the good times...
Stole the guildmaster's girlfriend. He should have never let her post her pic on the guild forum/let it out that she worked part-time for Go Daddy. Lesson learned.
in WoW Catalysm they got these rats that on death they explode this AE plague. So.. I had a little fun for a bit standing away and exploding these rats as people passed. Would be great on catalysm release to get unknowledgable people, but I'm not too WoW-thrilled right now.
Remember kids, if she cheats WITH you... she'll cheat WITH someone else eventually. You are not a special and unique snowflake, a cheat ... is a cheat.
Shadus
Alot of people here lack empathy...nothing new though, humankind is humankind.
truth! wasn't lookin to keep said prize, though, so everything turned out just fine
I never have done evil in a MMO, unless the RPG story required it so. But evil towards NPCs doesn't really count I guess. But even then. I recall after I played Planescape Torment the good way I wanted to replay evil for the sake of seeing other things, but I couldn't. Even tho it were just pixel mobs, I just could not be mean to them and finished it. Call me a carebear, but that's how it is.
So no, I haven't done anything evil in a MMO to a player.
Reading this thread I feel like seeking a new hobby... how and why people do that to other gamers is entirely beyond me.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Pics or it never happened.